On February 03 2013 21:33 opterown wrote: the medical school thing was bogus as far as we knew, he never got accepted into one/thought of doing it iirc
there's an interview with tear as well!
French medical school system is different than other systems. In France, the medical faculty accepts pretty much everyone in 1st year, but students are heavily tested during it and can retry it only once. More precisely, there's a numerus clausus for each Faculty which approximately equals to a ~10-15% success rate. It's a scary ratio when you know that most of the people trying medical school are good and work-hard students.
Currently, Proleague has been going on. How do you feel about the Proleague format now that you've experienced it?
I have some issues with the entry format. You know who's getting sent out so you can predict on some level, who's going to win. And that takes the fun out of the game. I also don't like how the maps are set. Almost every single tournament uses the format where the losers chooses the next map but Proleague is not like that so I don't like it. But I think the strictness of Proleague reflects the history of the game well so I like it. I hope KeSPA will realize what the trend is nowadays and try to follow it in the future.
Does he realise proleague is a team league, and that's half the point? In most team sports you have some idea of who is coming up and when.
I hope Kespa realises that part of what makes proleague special is that it's like it is. We don't need every competition being the same, and they already have winers league for some rounds which has a slightly different format.
Stephano needs to realise not everything needs to be "his" way. And that proleague is a team league, and the coaches are supposed to have some impact, not just the players.
gee dude, you need to realise he was asked a question and answerd it. he didnt say "meh meh meh i want to have it this way!!" he just stated what he liked and/ or disliked...
On February 03 2013 23:34 Anta wrote: with people like you we have racism in every single thread
Not at all, Anta, that's complete BS and you should not write such rot in one single line, with no further explanation or justification. Don't bother posting with no effort. I get sick of all the racism calls here and there, but there are other issues that get neglected. Whites get BS from whites because of different skin colour, actual sheer hate from complete strangers based on skin colour but unlike other racist issues, there's nothing you can really do about it. So instead of being dumb and assuming, think first for a change and consider that I might not necessarily be one of those sorts you assumed I was.
Did you fall out the wrong side of the bed or something? The white thing was obviously not intended torwards racism and more general "go get some sun since you are in a great place for it Stephano".
That's a veeerrry lenient way of seeing his pretty aggressive wording. It sounds more like you're making an excuse on his behalf.
Almost every tournament out there will be switching to HotS soon. How do you feel about HotS personally?
Personally, I hate it. What I hate the most is that the players who couldn't make it in WoL get to have a head start for HotS. I don't like the fact that they can start making good results just because they got a head start. I also don't like the speed upgrade for medivacs and I also don't like that you can burrow without needing to go to lair. Labeling idle workers, the outline you see when trying to build buildings, and the fact that workers automatically go to mine as soon as the game starts are also things I disapprove of.
Almost every tournament out there will be switching to HotS soon. How do you feel about HotS personally?
Personally, I hate it. What I hate the most is that the players who couldn't make it in WoL get to have a head start for HotS. I don't like the fact that they can start making good results just because they got a head start. I also don't like the speed upgrade for medivacs and I also don't like that you can burrow without needing to go to lair. Labeling idle workers, the outline you see when trying to build buildings, and the fact that workers automatically go to mine as soon as the game starts are also things I disapprove of.
So much diss and truth.
It's funny because there were so many things people disapproved of prior. As for practice training time that's just simple logic and low and behold we saw the same thing with the transition from SC:BW to SC2 and before that WCIII RoC to WCIII FT, etc.
It's good that people who don't practise get punished. I hope this works out as a bell for Stephano, but I highly doubt it. He doesn't seem interested in putting more time into playing.
Almost every tournament out there will be switching to HotS soon. How do you feel about HotS personally?
Personally, I hate it. What I hate the most is that the players who couldn't make it in WoL get to have a head start for HotS. I don't like the fact that they can start making good results just because they got a head start. I also don't like the speed upgrade for medivacs and I also don't like that you can burrow without needing to go to lair. Labeling idle workers, the outline you see when trying to build buildings, and the fact that workers automatically go to mine as soon as the game starts are also things I disapprove of.
So much diss and truth.
Luckily stephano can turn off auto-mine in the options settings, so he shouldn't be that hateful towards it.
On February 03 2013 20:29 Seeker wrote: Almost every tournament out there will be switching to HotS soon. How do you feel about HotS personally?
Personally, I hate it. What I hate the most is that the players who couldn't make it in WoL get to have a head start for HotS. I don't like the fact that they can start making good results just because they got a head start. I also don't like the speed upgrade for medivacs and I also don't like that you can burrow without needing to go to lair. Labeling idle workers, the outline you see when trying to build buildings, and the fact that workers automatically go to mine as soon as the game starts are also things I disapprove of.
lol I was thinking the exact same thing. All you have to change is two words in that entire paragraph.
Personally, I hate it. What I hate the most is that the players who couldn't make it in BW get to have a head start for SC2. I don't like the fact that they can start making good results just because they got a head start.
At least the head start wasn't more than 2 years though
Currently, Proleague has been going on. How do you feel about the Proleague format now that you've experienced it?
I have some issues with the entry format. You know who's getting sent out so you can predict on some level, who's going to win. And that takes the fun out of the game. I also don't like how the maps are set. Almost every single tournament uses the format where the losers choose the next map but Proleague is not like that so I don't like it. But I think the strictness of Proleague reflects the history of the game well so I like it. I hope KeSPA will realize what the trend is nowadays and try to follow it in the future.
Doubt it, there is no way to predict how a match goes in Proleague. Who would have thought that Stephano would lose to Sola?
Currently, Proleague has been going on. How do you feel about the Proleague format now that you've experienced it?
I have some issues with the entry format. You know who's getting sent out so you can predict on some level, who's going to win. And that takes the fun out of the game. I also don't like how the maps are set. Almost every single tournament uses the format where the losers choose the next map but Proleague is not like that so I don't like it. But I think the strictness of Proleague reflects the history of the game well so I like it. I hope KeSPA will realize what the trend is nowadays and try to follow it in the future.
Doubt it, there is no way to predict how a match goes in Proleague. Who would have thought that Stephano would lose to Sola?
lol he should ask the people doing Fantasy pro league if the winners are predictable ^.^
On February 03 2013 23:34 Anta wrote: with people like you we have racism in every single thread
Not at all, Anta, that's complete BS and you should not write such rot in one single line, with no further explanation or justification. Don't bother posting with no effort. I get sick of all the racism calls here and there, but there are other issues that get neglected. Whites get BS from whites because of different skin colour, actual sheer hate from complete strangers based on skin colour but unlike other racist issues, there's nothing you can really do about it. So instead of being dumb and assuming, think first for a change and consider that I might not necessarily be one of those sorts you assumed I was.
Did you fall out the wrong side of the bed or something? The white thing was obviously not intended torwards racism and more general "go get some sun since you are in a great place for it Stephano".
That's a veeerrry lenient way of seeing his pretty aggressive wording. It sounds more like you're making an excuse on his behalf.
And you are going all the way on the other extreme.
The original post was an observation on Stephano's skin tone and lack of tanning, that's it. There was no intention of attacking the person's integrity or value based on the skin color. Thus, not racist.
Skin tone is a fact of life. Racism comes only after you give it too much importance.
On February 03 2013 23:34 Anta wrote: with people like you we have racism in every single thread
Not at all, Anta, that's complete BS and you should not write such rot in one single line, with no further explanation or justification. Don't bother posting with no effort. I get sick of all the racism calls here and there, but there are other issues that get neglected. Whites get BS from whites because of different skin colour, actual sheer hate from complete strangers based on skin colour but unlike other racist issues, there's nothing you can really do about it. So instead of being dumb and assuming, think first for a change and consider that I might not necessarily be one of those sorts you assumed I was.
Did you fall out the wrong side of the bed or something? The white thing was obviously not intended torwards racism and more general "go get some sun since you are in a great place for it Stephano".
That's a veeerrry lenient way of seeing his pretty aggressive wording. It sounds more like you're making an excuse on his behalf.
So basically every time someone saids something about sunbathing you completely lose your shit? Cause that is exactly what you are doing now...
If Stephano interviews like this every time I'd be a huge fan. Great replies from him! And lol at HoTS bashing I definitely feel where he is coming from.
On February 03 2013 23:34 Anta wrote: with people like you we have racism in every single thread
Not at all, Anta, that's complete BS and you should not write such rot in one single line, with no further explanation or justification. Don't bother posting with no effort. I get sick of all the racism calls here and there, but there are other issues that get neglected. Whites get BS from whites because of different skin colour, actual sheer hate from complete strangers based on skin colour but unlike other racist issues, there's nothing you can really do about it. So instead of being dumb and assuming, think first for a change and consider that I might not necessarily be one of those sorts you assumed I was.
Did you fall out the wrong side of the bed or something? The white thing was obviously not intended torwards racism and more general "go get some sun since you are in a great place for it Stephano".
That's a veeerrry lenient way of seeing his pretty aggressive wording. It sounds more like you're making an excuse on his behalf.
And you are going all the way on the other extreme.
The original post was an observation on Stephano's skin tone and lack of tanning, that's it. There was no intention of attacking the person's integrity or value based on the skin color. Thus, not racist.
Skin tone is a fact of life. Racism comes only after you give it too much importance.
On February 03 2013 21:01 shid0x wrote: sooo fucking WHITE *~*" Get some sun or use those korean UV services stephano é_é
You're really being racist here, it's just racism that is easily waved away with a hand, just because all Caucasians are the %$@!ing same to each other, right? The excuse people will use is that "No, it doesn't matter if you're different shades of white, one much more pale than the other, you're still both Caucasian, so it isn't racism", but then you're still picking on someone for having different skin colour to you, so it's still inappropriate BS. Cut it out and grow up. People are different and you need to learn to live with it. .
This is especially funny given Stephano is of North African descent...
I'm not "losing my shit" at all and you're adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. Both you (Assirra) and Anta wrote pretty lame lines directly attacking my comments as if I'm being unreasonable, yet offer nothing but those simple troll-level one-two liners.
I'm not going to any extreme and his post was a lot more rude than "just helpful advice that it might be beneficial for him to get tanned" or something like that. You're conveniently ignoring tone and VManOfMana, you cannot be certain there was no intention of attacking, look at his tone. I'm pretty sure he was not intending to be nice and helpful and you claim to know (i.e. you assume) that he was not meaning any harm. He might not be genuinely "racist" in general, but those sorts of comments are just judgemental. It's not always simple "helpful advice about health" and if it is, as far as I know, it's a bit naïve, because different skin types have different benefits anyway. Lighter skin absorbs more nutrients (or w/e; vitamin D, anyway), so claiming it is for "their benefit", "to be helpful" or anything like that is just an excuse to pass physical judgement. If it is supposed to be to help people, they're not doing a very good job and I don't know if any of you have actually learned this in your lives yet, but when people are supposedly receiving help or advice, they don't expect very rude wording. You know all those bad customer service stories you hear about from time to time? You know how you don't like people giving advice to not seem to have a clue what they are talking about? Said hypothetical more tanned person making the criticism/"helpful comment" failed on both fronts. Do you think the person listening is grateful? No, the loud-mouth rude person who doesn't think first should have shut his trap.
It's the same kind of thing as ginger-haired people and things like that. Maybe we don't normally consider them racist, but people can have to put through a seriously ridiculous amount of crap from morons making little passing comments (or a lot more) because they know they can get away with it and because making stupid comments is a pastime of those sorts of people. All I'm doing is making a point as a stand against one stupid, pretty rude sounding comment, for a change (I don't think I approach the topic often) and multiple people who are that determined to be trollish or not read properly are raising an issue with it. I don't think anyone reasonable will make a point of strongly disagreeing with me, because even if they feel the first comment was meant in a harmless fashion, I'm defending a point, not going batshit crazy as simple 1-2 liner trolls* would like to claim. People who disagree and are reasonable don't use Assirra's wording, they mostly (should ) just go "Pfft, I think he's wrong but I suppose he's going to stick with making his point about judgemental (or even xenophobic sorts of hateful) behaviour and people getting away with it if its not a more common form (like what is considered racism)." ^+ Show Spoiler +
Assuming they bother to read and think about it -___-
not you VManOfMana, but I'm not taking an extreme!
It wasn't meant to be a topic-derailer and it was more about very judgemental crap people get away with, whether you want to class it as racism or not.
Racism comes only after you give it too much importance.
Note how other people treat it like suddenly it is so much more of a big deal when someone says "racism", when it could be very judgemental regardless of whether it relates to race or not. I'm not the one being so stirred up by the word! *Sigh*
On topic, I do feel it's a shame that Stephano doesn't like the Proleague format, partly because I highly doubt KeSPA will change it. I personally much prefer the format too as I don't like people always choosing the same maps that favour their race against the other or favour particular playstyles. I think it might get stale more quickly the GSTL way.
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On February 04 2013 03:33 _SpiRaL_ wrote: This is especially funny given Stephano is of North African descent...
Well yeah, but that doesn't inherently determine colour and I don't think people attacking skin colour (just talking objectively here) care where the person's from so much as the fact that the skin colour isn't to their liking. People attacking race are usually judging somewhat based on looks anyway, but it's probably more xenophobia about the area or culture. Like I say, I'm really talking more about judgemental behaviour that isn't classed as racism being more easily excused. :|
On February 04 2013 03:37 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: I'm not "losing my shit" at all and you're adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. Both you (Assirra) and Anta wrote pretty lame lines directly attacking my comments as if I'm being unreasonable, yet offer nothing but those simple troll-level one-two liners.
I'm not going to any extreme and his post was a lot more rude than "just helpful advice that it might be beneficial for him to get tanned" or something like that. You're conveniently ignoring tone and VManOfMana, you cannot be certain there was no intention of attacking, look at his tone. I'm pretty sure he was not intending to be nice and helpful and you claim to know (i.e. you assume) that he was not meaning any harm. He might not be genuinely "racist" in general, but those sorts of comments are just judgemental. It's not always simple "helpful advice about health" and if it is, as far as I know, it's a bit naïve, because different skin types have different benefits anyway. Lighter skin absorbs more nutrients (or w/e; vitamin D, anyway), so claiming it is for "their benefit", "to be helpful" or anything like that is just an excuse to pass physical judgement. If it is supposed to be to help people, they're not doing a very good job and I don't know if any of you have actually learned this in your lives yet, but when people are supposedly receiving help or advice, they don't expect very rude wording. You know all those bad customer service stories you hear about from time to time? You know how you don't like people giving advice to not seem to have a clue what they are talking about? Said hypothetical more tanned person making the criticism/"helpful comment" failed on both fronts. Do you think the person listening is grateful? No, the loud-mouth rude person who doesn't think first should have shut his trap.
It's the same kind of thing as ginger-haired people and things like that. Maybe we don't normally consider them racist, but people can have to put through a seriously ridiculous amount of crap from morons making little passing comments (or a lot more) because they know they can get away with it and because making stupid comments is a pastime of those sorts of people. All I'm doing is making a point as a stand against one stupid, pretty rude sounding comment, for a change (I don't think I approach the topic often) and multiple people who are that determined to be trollish or not read properly are raising an issue with it. I don't think anyone reasonable will make a point of strongly disagreeing with me, because even if they feel the first comment was meant in a harmless fashion, I'm defending a point, not going batshit crazy as simple 1-2 liner trolls* would like to claim. People who disagree and are reasonable don't use Assirra's wording, they mostly (should ) just go "Pfft, I think he's wrong but I suppose he's going to stick with making his point about judgemental (or even xenophobic sorts of hateful) behaviour and people getting away with it if its not a more common form (like what is considered racism)." ^+ Show Spoiler +
Assuming they bother to read and think about it -___-
not you VManOfMana, but I'm not taking an extreme!
It wasn't meant to be a topic-derailer and it was more about very judgemental crap people get away with, whether you want to class it as racism or not.
Racism comes only after you give it too much importance.
Note how other people treat it like suddenly it is so much more of a big deal when someone says "racism", when it could be very judgemental regardless of whether it relates to race or not. I'm not the one being so stirred up by the word! *Sigh*
On topic, I do feel it's a shame that Stephano doesn't like the Proleague format, partly because I highly doubt KeSPA will change it. I personally much prefer the format too as I don't like people always choosing the same maps that favour their race against the other or favour particular playstyles. I think it might get stale more quickly the GSTL way.
On February 04 2013 03:33 _SpiRaL_ wrote: This is especially funny given Stephano is of North African descent...
Well yeah, but that doesn't inherently determine colour and I don't think people attacking skin colour (just talking objectively here) care where the person's from so much as the fact that the skin colour isn't to their liking. People attacking race are usually judging somewhat based on looks anyway, but it's probably more xenophobia about the area or culture. Like I say, I'm really talking more about judgemental behaviour that isn't classed as racism being more easily excused. :|
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