With round 3 starting a mere one day after round 2 ends, Proleague certainly isn't giving us any breaks. But with Proleague, there always comes Fantasy Proleague! Once again, play! It's fun, easy, and makes watching Proleague much more exciting. You don't need to spend any time on managing your team during the season if you don't want to. If you don't fully understand the rules, don't worry. The basic thing to remember is, pick players for your "Main Team" that you think will do well, and pick players for your "Anti Team" who you think will do poorly.
Here are some important facts to know going into Round 3:
Week 1 starters and maps here. Scroll down for Round 3 Week 1 starters.
Round 3 will be the regular proleague format with predetermined players being seeded onto 6 maps, then an ace match if necessary.
We'll be going back to regular proleague scoring. Make sure you read the scoring rules below to see the changes.
Round 3 will last from 1/28 to 3/5. There will be a week-long break in the middle of the round.
Matches will be played Saturday-Tues, same as last round.
There will be 5 weeks of play. Three of these weeks will be half weeks.
Removed players: None
Added players: None
Stephano and Taeja are unable to be picked on your anti-team until further notice. We also HIGHLY discourage you from picking them on your main team, as they probably won't be playing in the first week. They are both valued at 9 so that they will hopefully decay to their proper values by the time they eventually play. We hope to make player absences less of a factor in Fantasy Proleague.
Parting is not allowed to play until round 4. He has not been included in this round's FPL.
Ace Win will now generate +3 points instead of +4. With such short rounds, we wanted to find ways for FPL to be more forgiving.
Team scoring has been changed from (+6/+4/+3/+2/+1/0/-1/-2) to (+6/+4/+3/+2/0/-1/-2/-3). This was done to provide a bigger difference between a 4-3 win and a 3-4 loss. Team costs have been downgraded accordingly.
How to Play
You choose 6 players and 1 Pro Team that score points when they play well.
You pick 3 players for your Anti-team as well. They lose you points when they play well.
Players and teams can be traded between weeks for those valued less than them.
Lineup Appearance: +1 Point* Game Win: +2 Points Game Loss: -1 Point 3-Game Win Streak: +1 Point 6-Game Win Streak: +2 Points 9-Game Win Streak: +3 Points Ace Appearance: +1 Point Ace Win: +3 Ace Loss: -2 Break Another Player's Streak: +1 Point Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point**
*This point is applied even if your player does not play; he only has to appear in the lineup **This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match
EG-Liquid: 2 Points (+2 for 4-3 Victory) KT Rolster: 0 Points (0 for 3-4 Defeat) Jaedong: 5 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for ace appearance, +3 for ace win, +1 for team win) JYP: 4 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for team win) ThorZaIN: 4 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for team win) PuMa: 4 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for team win) Flash: 2 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for ace appearance, -2 for ace loss) Stats: 3 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win) Crazy-Hydra: 3 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win) Zenio: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) HuK: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Wooki: 0 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Action: 0 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Mind: 0 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Everyone else on EG-TL: 1 Point (+1 for team win) Everyone else on KT Rolster: 0 Points
Check lineups each week! Players facing weak teams are generally more valuable.
Don't make trades just for sake of making trades, as they cost you trade tax points and you may get stuck with a player you don't want
The trade price formula takes into account number of matches remaining -- so players with more matches remaining will have higher prices
You must trade for players with less value, but try to minimize the value loss. For example, if you trade someone worth 30 for someone worth 20, next week you can only trade the 20 for someone less. It's much better to trade the 30 for someone worth 29.
Groups
You will be able to create and join groups so you can compare your results with a smaller subset of the players, for example there might be a Staff Group, a First Time FPL Group, a USA Players Group, or a group created by you with just your friends.
On January 26 2013 10:54 monk wrote: [*]Stephano and Taeja are unable to be picked on your anti-team until further notice. We also HIGHLY discourage you from picking them on your main team, as they probably won't be playing in the first week. They are both valued at 9 so that they will hopefully decay to their proper values by the time they eventually play. We hope to make player absences less of a factor in Fantasy Proleague.
There goes my plan of picking Taeja on anti-team, waiting until he drops in value and when he starts to play, trading him away for someone weaker. -.-
This time its so much harder to pick because I only have the 1 lineup from each team so far so I dont know who are the cheap players that are going to get played a lot this round.
Feel that anti-team is way harder than last rounds with only Flash being 9+, meaning you need at least another "decent" player alongside any high-pointer, unless you take Flash... many 3-6 pointers who could be great or a massive dissapointment, hard choices are being made in a short notice!
So I've never done Fantasy Proleague before, do you make an entirely new team even if you played in the previous rounds? And I understand correctly that the deadline is today, sunday, yes?
Gonna try that "1 point" captain thing this time. That way I can be more flexible for people with points rather than hoping some no-name will spike in points enough to trade for another no-name.
On January 27 2013 21:00 Heartland wrote: So I've never done Fantasy Proleague before, do you make an entirely new team even if you played in the previous rounds? And I understand correctly that the deadline is today, sunday, yes?
Sorry for the stupid questions.
Yes, just click the link and make your team. E: Clarification: Everyone make new teams.
On January 27 2013 21:00 Heartland wrote: So I've never done Fantasy Proleague before, do you make an entirely new team even if you played in the previous rounds? And I understand correctly that the deadline is today, sunday, yes?
Sorry for the stupid questions.
Yes, you make an entirely new team each round even if you took part in previous rounds. The deadline is within 15 hours if I remember correctly.
i made a really weird team this time, jangbi + 4-5 pointer instead of the usual high values + low pointers, maybe it's because of the matchups this week
There goes everyones plan of picking Taeja on anti-team, waiting until he drops in value and when he starts to play, trading him away for someone weaker. -.-
On January 27 2013 21:23 ramon wrote: i made a really weird team this time, jangbi + 4-5 pointer instead of the usual high values + low pointers, maybe it's because of the matchups this week
I did the same thing, mostly. This season i also went with one of the more expensive teams.
is it that hard for people to read the OP for simple questions like "can SKT use parting"... NO they cant, this is round 3 and parting is allowed from 4. It's also not the place to post your teams, you should do so here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395606 Proleague also goes into HoTS at round 4, as was said many times before
Since you're fixing the names: I could be wrong, but KT's Crazy-Hydra now goes by the name of "Crazy" without the Hydra. At least that is how he was called last time I saw him on stage.
On January 27 2013 21:23 ramon wrote: i made a really weird team this time, jangbi + 4-5 pointer instead of the usual high values + low pointers, maybe it's because of the matchups this week
I did the same thing, mostly. This season i also went with one of the more expensive teams.
"Cannot choose players who are unable to play in Week 1 for anti-team."
why I can't choose stephano in the anti team?
He is not playing on first week.
major either, and I can choose major.
'•Stephano and Taeja are unable to be picked on your anti-team until further notice. We also HIGHLY discourage you from picking them on your main team, as they probably won't be playing in the first week. They are both valued at 9 so that they will hopefully decay to their proper values by the time they eventually play. We hope to make player absences less of a factor in Fantasy Proleague."
thats why u cant pick stephano (or taeja) for anti. read the OP next time plz. Taeja is injured and thus highly unlikely to play for a long time and for 9points, it pretty much brings anti to 2 players 4value total... Stephano prolly cant be picked cuz its unsure how it matches with his GSL and is thus likely not being played much. Cant explain it much more than that cuz its not my decision.
On January 27 2013 23:47 AlternativeEgo wrote: I find it interesting how the teams have changed over the rounds. The value have also gone down quite a bit for this one.
We aren't allowed to edit our teams? I knew Stephano and Taeja were overpriced for a reason. Really wanted at least 1 of them for my antis. But now I cannot edit my anti. I was just trying to get something down so I could figure it out. Oh well, gg on my anti again, lol.
On January 28 2013 01:34 StarStruck wrote: We aren't allowed to edit our teams? I knew Stephano and Taeja were overpriced for a reason. Really wanted at least 1 of them for my antis. But now I cannot edit my anti. I was just trying to get something down so I could figure it out. Oh well, gg on my anti again, lol.
You can edit it by trying to make a new team. Click on the "sign up here" link on the front page of this thread.
On January 28 2013 01:34 StarStruck wrote: We aren't allowed to edit our teams? I knew Stephano and Taeja were overpriced for a reason. Really wanted at least 1 of them for my antis. But now I cannot edit my anti. I was just trying to get something down so I could figure it out. Oh well, gg on my anti again, lol.
You can replace your team, I just did. You need to go back to the register page via Features > Fantasy rather than the FPL link at the left top.
On January 27 2013 23:47 AlternativeEgo wrote: I find it interesting how the teams have changed over the rounds. The value have also gone down quite a bit for this one.
That's because now the team points are different. Read the Team section in the OP.
I just think a 31% decrease is quite noteworthy. I also checked the value for my first team and they have gone down from 30 to 21 points in total. Feels tempting to get the boys together again but switch out Hyuk (1 pointer that don't play) for..well, whoever I want. Maybe Fantasy. Fantasy on the first team would have gotten me the bronze medal. Oh yeah.
Opinion : If you don't pick a player from CJ Entus, you are doing it wrong. While Hydra and EffOrt may be a little to expensive, herO should be seen in a lot of teams. Their supporting cast is fairly cheap and that's a good thing for every Fantasy team. Bong has been fielded a few times and proved useful for a reasonable price. Bbyong and SonGDuRi are on the downfall and I strongly recommend to stay away from them particularly the Terran. This made room for sKyHigh and rare to see some play time for a cheap 2p if the former pair continue to disappoint. I am fairly confident we won't see neither Snow nor Leta this round. It's difficult to predict how they'll do this time but a top 4 should be within their grasp.
After a R1 and the first week of R2 where every players and their mother have wins, the situation is back to what it should be : Flash + Others. KT supporting cast didn't do badly this round but they showed weaknesses and didn't look nearly as dominant. Flash is still a boss but at 10p he is way too costly. Wooki and Action are dedicated mirror match snipers and will likely get wins this way but I believe there is better choices for 5p like Stats who showed greatness in both vP and vT and he is a pick I recommend. Crazy isn't that consistent but for 3p he is decent. The rest of the roster should only see sporadic play time. As a team they will either be in the middle of the pack or in the top 2 depending on ace matches.
Opinion : Here is a team that should keep going strong. Despite not crushing their opponents in Winner's League they prevailed in the end on the back of their very homogeneous roster. First of all, one can assume that ZerO and sOs will continue to assume the main ace roles until Soulkey regains momentum. However considering the profusion of good 5p available I would recommend to choose Soulkey over ZerO or sOs anytime. Light has the thrust of his coach could come out as a ace sniper too for a normal cost. free while good is way to expensive for anyone to consider him but his vZ prowess is something to applaud. BrAvO is back in the main team and rightly so despite not seeing the light of day during R2, it's a bet many people will be willing to take especially for only 3p - his first match against a P will be a test. Among the rest of the team, Flying and BisAnG could play from time to time but the main six seems to be there and perfectly balance with 2 of each race. Anything but a top 2 would be surprising but apparently they have the habits of dropping down as the year progress. We'll see.
Opinion : The roller-coaster is back for another ride. Indubitably the team with the biggest potential whose performance is severely impaired by the fact that its best player TaeJa is unable to play and that its foreign star Stephano isn't always there. Their price should drop down to a more rational value during the round. HerO can do the job 75% of the time but is a risky choice given he has a lot of weight to carry, Jaedong is a master of ZvZ but isn't completely there yet and Revival's all-aroundness makes him very valuable for only 5p. JYP can execute some sniping builds and is decent for his price while PuMa and Zenio can pray to have a favorable match-up at a rather cheap price. Among the rest of the team, only ThorZaIN will come out as IdrA and DeMusliM are almost only playing HotS. For 2p, you can expect this team to be around the middle of the pack as long as TaeJa is sick and maybe above if he isn't.
Opinion : A spectacular Round 2 for this team (along with the one below) who were carried by Argo and Cure. Both of them performing above what were expected of them and having their prices all the more increased due to that. While Argo might seem better overall, he is slightly overpriced and I would recommend picking Cure over him. TY, however, was underwhelming and might not be worth the 5p you would have to pay. I believe Terminator not to be worth the 4p as his weakness in vP makes him a liability in the long run. Savage and TRUE are not the best 3p picks you could find and seem to be lacking overall. The rest of the team isn't likely to come out and it's quite difficult to judge their value. T8 will be average in this round, winning some and losing some, their final place this round will depend on EG-TL results.
Opinion : It was a very rewarding R2 for Khan but it also showed their lack of depth. JangBi and RorO are back where they belong in the pricey league and Stork is on their heels. If you wish to pick a high-pointers, I believe there are better choices. What is worrisome for them is the supporting cast. Look at this, Reality and Shine cannot hold their own being 1-9 and 1-6 respectively, yet they are 3p. And I'm not going to mention anyone on the fillers list aside from Sola, a rookie who upset Stephano. In summary if you want to pick a Khan player, either go big with the heavy-hitters or go home. The fairy tale is over for them and unless they get a consistent support cast, they'll lose the war of attrition and fall to the bottom 4.
Opinion : I was mistaken when I choose them as a favorite team for R2. Rain failed to uphold its stardom status and may not yet be ready for Bisu-like worship and while he will play the ace from time to time, I wonder if his confidence is too low for that. FanTaSy or the man who wished he had a supporting cast as consistent as Flash's one. He certainly deserves it. soO may win more game this time around on the back of a flawless preparation but he is the most risky pick out of the 4p. The rest of the players will most likely be drawn from the {BeSt, s2, sacsri} group but among those only s2 has a positive record (3-3) so if you want to pick a SKT player, I would recommend him. Some of their fillers will see some playing time as they like to shuffle around the list. Unless Rain and soO step up and start winning, it'll be a hard round for them. A bottom 4 is quite likely.
Opinion : While many expected STX to be a middle of the pack team with so many proven players in 2012, it seems 2013 is a whole new world for them. Innovation is the dedicated ace and for 6 points one can bet on him to win quite a few games. However I think the STX player to pick is definetely Dear, he has a top-notch PvP and a decent PvZ while his PvT remains questionable, all of that for 5p. Like Khan, they have little to no backbone here with Trap and Last being 4-6 and hyvaa being 4-9. Among the rest, only Classic and Mini will see the light of day but I wouldn't bet a penny on them. It's another long road of punishment ahead for SouL, and I doubt they will be anywhere but the bottom 2.
On January 28 2013 01:34 StarStruck wrote: We aren't allowed to edit our teams? I knew Stephano and Taeja were overpriced for a reason. Really wanted at least 1 of them for my antis. But now I cannot edit my anti. I was just trying to get something down so I could figure it out. Oh well, gg on my anti again, lol.
You can edit it by trying to make a new team. Click on the "sign up here" link on the front page of this thread.
Thanks boss, that's news to me. Last couple of runs I was doing it different way but this works!
Team submitted, and I have to say that I am a little disappointed that I couldn't pick Stephano on my anti. He is there and available to play (as far as I know). Argh.
On January 28 2013 09:01 AlternativeEgo wrote: Team submitted, and I have to say that I am a little disappointed that I couldn't pick Stephano on my anti. He is there and available to play (as far as I know). Argh.
Yeah, I don't see the reason why they didn't make him available, there are no foreign tournaments he could go to and Code S is soon, it's not like you should ban everyone who isn't playing in week one from anti teams. Let's ban Bisu too while we're at it, he won't play anyway.
They just would have needed to lower his value since he's not worth nine points on either main or anti team.
On January 28 2013 09:01 AlternativeEgo wrote: Team submitted, and I have to say that I am a little disappointed that I couldn't pick Stephano on my anti. He is there and available to play (as far as I know). Argh.
Yeah, I don't see the reason why they didn't make him available, there are no foreign tournaments he could go to and Code S is soon, it's not like you should ban everyone who isn't playing in week one from anti teams. Let's ban Bisu too while we're at it, he won't play anyway.
They just would have needed to lower his value since he's not worth nine points on either main or anti team.
I tried to pick him, he wouldve been an absolute steal for anyone anti at 9 points, taeja wouldve been a bit worse but still a good deal for 9 points on an anti team. Made me sad when i couldnt pick them.
On January 28 2013 04:16 Otolia wrote:
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SKT T1 (1p) [*]Opinion : I was mistaken when I choose them as a favorite team for R2. Rain failed to uphold its stardom status and may not yet be ready for Bisu-like worship and while he will play the ace from time to time, I wonder if his confidence is too low for that. FanTaSy or the man who wished he had a supporting cast as consistent as Flash's one. He certainly deserves it. soO may win more game this time around on the back of a flawless preparation but he is the most risky pick out of the 4p. The rest of the players will most likely be drawn from the {BeSt, s2, sacsri} group but among those only s2 has a positive record (3-3) so if you want to pick a SKT player, I would recommend him. Some of their fillers will see some playing time as they like to shuffle around the list. Unless Rain and soO step up and start winning, it'll be a hard round for them. A bottom 4 is quite likely.
[/list] Feel like this doesnt cover the angles, yes SKT have underperformed so far but they have the players to be a top level team. Even if SKT hold form so far they are an absolute steal for 1 point, and given that they did better round one than round two, and round three is the same format as round one you would have to be mental to not pick SKT for your team. If you want to give advice based on SKTs mediocre performance it should be this: Avoid high value SKT players (id make an exception for Fantasy, who has been consistantly great so far Avoid using low value SKT players to pad your roster, go for ones on less stacked teams, they have better odds of seeing playtime. If your looking for a low value player to pad out your anti team, consider a SKT player, they are less likely to come out because SKT is pretty stacked despite its poor performance. Low value EGTL players look like good choices because EGTL is also stacked, but based upon results so far low level EGTL players might score more points just by being on the winning team more often.
Do we have access to the formulas that determine how players values are altered every week? I'm interested in the rate at which Taeja/Stephano will degrade and the how much value you earn for a win (does your opponents point value matter)
I really find it unfair to not be able to pick Stephano or Taeja for our anti-teams...
It would make more sense to just decrease their point value due to their lack of appearances. Hell, even the OP is giving advice not to pick the two... just feels off if it's suppose to be official and informational.
EDIT: When I mean decrease, I mean start with a decreased point value rather than let it decay overtime.
On January 28 2013 09:49 kc2siq wrote: I really find it unfair to not be able to pick Stephano or Taeja for our anti-teams...
It would make more sense to just decrease their point value due to their lack of appearances. Hell, even the OP is giving advice not to pick the two... just feels off if it's suppose to be official and informational.
EDIT: When I mean decrease, I mean start with a decreased point value rather than let it decay overtime.
EG-TL has really messed up anti-team in the first two rounds. :/ Picking anti is supposed to be really hard but so far it's been easy in that regard. Kinda glad they're off limits because eg-tl has different priorities than other PL teams, and we even get to see line-ups in advance these days.
On January 28 2013 09:24 Blacktion wrote: Feel like this doesnt cover the angles, yes SKT have underperformed so far but they have the players to be a top level team. Even if SKT hold form so far they are an absolute steal for 1 point, and given that they did better round one than round two, and round three is the same format as round one you would have to be mental to not pick SKT for your team. If you want to give advice based on SKTs mediocre performance it should be this: Avoid high value SKT players (id make an exception for Fantasy, who has been consistantly great so far Avoid using low value SKT players to pad your roster, go for ones on less stacked teams, they have better odds of seeing playtime. If your looking for a low value player to pad out your anti team, consider a SKT player, they are less likely to come out because SKT is pretty stacked despite its poor performance. Low value EGTL players look like good choices because EGTL is also stacked, but based upon results so far low level EGTL players might score more points just by being on the winning team more often.
No, you should avoid every player on SKT. Period. Fantasy and Rain are too expensive considering the herd of consistent and good 5p players. soO should win some game but isn't much better than Light or Terminator (an OK choice). And I won't even mention the rest of the team who all have losing records except for Paralyze and s2 at 3-3 (which are the only 2 player one could consider choosing from SKT aside from betting on soO) As for taking the team itself, well I don't recommend betting because I don't like not having control of my destiny. R2 was the perfect setup for them, all they needed to do was to have Rain or Fantasy win at least 2 games per match and let their fodder + soO be snipers. And they FAILED ! UTTERLY ! MISERABLY !
If one cannot spare a point to take a 2p team (which is also not a good choice btw), then one could also try playing lotto everyday with the same numbers. Maybe one'll get lucky.
On January 28 2013 09:24 Blacktion wrote: Feel like this doesnt cover the angles, yes SKT have underperformed so far but they have the players to be a top level team. Even if SKT hold form so far they are an absolute steal for 1 point, and given that they did better round one than round two, and round three is the same format as round one you would have to be mental to not pick SKT for your team. If you want to give advice based on SKTs mediocre performance it should be this: Avoid high value SKT players (id make an exception for Fantasy, who has been consistantly great so far Avoid using low value SKT players to pad your roster, go for ones on less stacked teams, they have better odds of seeing playtime. If your looking for a low value player to pad out your anti team, consider a SKT player, they are less likely to come out because SKT is pretty stacked despite its poor performance. Low value EGTL players look like good choices because EGTL is also stacked, but based upon results so far low level EGTL players might score more points just by being on the winning team more often.
No, you should avoid every player on SKT. Period. Fantasy and Rain are too expensive considering the herd of consistent and good 5p players. soO should win some game but isn't much better than Light or Terminator (an OK choice). And I won't even mention the rest of the team who all have losing records except for Paralyze and s2 at 3-3 (which are the only 2 player one could consider choosing from SKT aside from betting on soO) As for taking the team itself, well I don't recommend betting because I don't like not having control of my destiny. R2 was the perfect setup for them, all they needed to do was to have Rain or Fantasy win at least 2 games per match and let their fodder + soO be snipers. And they FAILED ! UTTERLY ! MISERABLY !
If one cannot spare a point to take a 2p team (which is also not a good choice btw), then one could also try playing lotto everyday with the same numbers. Maybe one'll get lucky.
Look at the turn around of khan in R2 though (largely in close series). Going from one of the worst, to finishing 2nd in R2 is no joke. I think it's even more likely SKT1 will go through something similar
Main Team 5 Action (captain) The anchor of KT and now the anchor of my team as my captain, which is good but can also be a double-edged sword. He's there to guarantee an ace match if it goes that far. However, considering how good each KT player is individually, it's quite possible that they 4-0/4-1 and he rarely gets to play like early in round 1. This week he has Sacsri, who he's beaten before (although that TDA match was much closer than I anticipated) so I believe this is a solid Zerg pick to start off.
3 Bravo(hon_sin) Underpriced as usual. He's on an extremely stong Woongjin team and plays Sang, who he's beaten before as well. A slight gamble considering he's been more of a TvT sniper recently but I still think he takes down Sang. Plus the fact that WJS will most likely win, giving a guaranteed +1.
5 Dear Dear has been on my team every round thus far and in the last two weeks has shown why. He's a force to be reckoned with and relatively cheap at 5 points. He also has JD this week who still seems to struggle with Protoss for the most part. STX may not win this week, but there's always a chance for JYP to choke.
3 JYP Speaking of the new Failhoon himself, I picked up JYP as my other 3 pointer. As long as he can figure out what ails him and fix it, he'll be a solid player... or at least a 50/50 player otherwise. He plays hyvaa this week... and even though he is STX's best Zerg, I don't think he can take out JYP on entombed unless an epic choke occurs.
5 P7GAB(Wooki) You can never go wrong with Wooki (or another KT member), especially in PvP. He takes down BeSt ezpz this week and will probably continue his dominance that he showed in R1.
5 Revival Probably overpriced at 5 points and honestly not my first choice. However, I don't think ZerO plays this week so I didn't want to waste 8 points on him and selecting soO is a risk because Motive has beaten him before. If it wasn't for my complete lack of faith in Trap's ability to win, I probably would have never selected him.
4 Woongjin Stars Can't go wrong with WJS. They run deep, and have T8 this week. Although T8 has been running good lately, in this format, they can't have Jaehoon or Speed carry them to victory. As long as Soulkey can overcome Speed, this should be a 4-0 or 4-1 victory.
Anti Team 2 Huk Does this choice really need an explanation? It's HuK.
8 JangBi He's been on my anti every season and has screwed me almost every time. I seriously don't think he is any good but somehow has stumbled into wins, owning my FPL. (An ace match he should have never won or been put in during R1 and a crazy win streak in R2 while all-killing EG-TL) Hopefully he finally proves me right and doesn't win much for his point value.
3 Shine Shine is just plain bad. I don't see him winning very much.
On January 28 2013 09:49 kc2siq wrote: I really find it unfair to not be able to pick Stephano or Taeja for our anti-teams...
It would make more sense to just decrease their point value due to their lack of appearances. Hell, even the OP is giving advice not to pick the two... just feels off if it's suppose to be official and informational.
EDIT: When I mean decrease, I mean start with a decreased point value rather than let it decay overtime.
EG-TL has really messed up anti-team in the first two rounds. :/ Picking anti is supposed to be really hard but so far it's been easy in that regard. Kinda glad they're off limits because eg-tl has different priorities than other PL teams, and we even get to see line-ups in advance these days.
Good point. But why is Idra still allowed on anti-team? The low number of points on his part make up for him probably never going to play in PL. I feel like we can decrease their point values just enough so anti-team wouldn't be an obvious choice and make it so they're actually viable as part of one's team.
On January 28 2013 09:24 Blacktion wrote: Feel like this doesnt cover the angles, yes SKT have underperformed so far but they have the players to be a top level team. Even if SKT hold form so far they are an absolute steal for 1 point, and given that they did better round one than round two, and round three is the same format as round one you would have to be mental to not pick SKT for your team. If you want to give advice based on SKTs mediocre performance it should be this: Avoid high value SKT players (id make an exception for Fantasy, who has been consistantly great so far Avoid using low value SKT players to pad your roster, go for ones on less stacked teams, they have better odds of seeing playtime. If your looking for a low value player to pad out your anti team, consider a SKT player, they are less likely to come out because SKT is pretty stacked despite its poor performance. Low value EGTL players look like good choices because EGTL is also stacked, but based upon results so far low level EGTL players might score more points just by being on the winning team more often.
No, you should avoid every player on SKT. Period. Fantasy and Rain are too expensive considering the herd of consistent and good 5p players. soO should win some game but isn't much better than Light or Terminator (an OK choice). And I won't even mention the rest of the team who all have losing records except for Paralyze and s2 at 3-3 (which are the only 2 player one could consider choosing from SKT aside from betting on soO) As for taking the team itself, well I don't recommend betting because I don't like not having control of my destiny. R2 was the perfect setup for them, all they needed to do was to have Rain or Fantasy win at least 2 games per match and let their fodder + soO be snipers. And they FAILED ! UTTERLY ! MISERABLY !
If one cannot spare a point to take a 2p team (which is also not a good choice btw), then one could also try playing lotto everyday with the same numbers. Maybe one'll get lucky.
Look at the turn around of khan in R2 though (largely in close series). Going from one of the worst, to finishing 2nd in R2 is no joke. I think it's even more likely SKT1 will go through something similar
Except it's just a bet. I write previews to help people decide not to tell them they should jump off bridges and hope they discover how to swim when they reach the water. I'm not saying it won't happen, nor I am saying I'll be right in the end. I don't predict the future but my educated guesses are really thought-out.
Also and that's something you have to consider : SKT lack a dedicated sniper, only Rain has a winning record vP and it will be tough for them seeing how they are 11 protoss players among the top 20 players in Round 2. That's also the reason as to why Soulkey is having issues right now.
On January 28 2013 10:28 tuho12345 wrote: btw anyone else thing Stephano and Taeja are overrated not worth 9 points?
By "anyone" you surely mean "everyone". If Taeja or Stephano are on anyone's team it's because they didn't read the starters AND are hardcore fans. No-one else will take them. There's 0 reason. I'd probably consider Stephano at like 5 for the long run? At most. Taeja less again because of his injury.
Why isn't Stephano able to be picked for antiteam? It doesn't make any sense, and seems so arbitrary. He was on the bench for EG-TL's last match, while Idra hasn't been seen anywhere near proleague and you can pick Idra for anti. Bisu hasn't played in forever and isn't in the week 1 lineup also, why don't you make him unavailable? Just lower his point value if you feel it's necessary. Making stephano off limits was justified when he wasn't even in Korea but I don't see how it's justified now.
People need to stop complaining about Taeja and Stephano. Yes their point value is out of wack, but there is a reason for that. Fantasy league is fun because it's both competitive and some luck. The way the cost/trade value of players are set, and how that value move week after week is designed in such a way to make the choices difficult, so there is always some risk. The problem is that the formula is designed expecting that the value is to correspond to how many points a player is expected to earn each week.
Taeja and Stephano are ace players, good ones at that. So their value should correspond to their point earning potential. But unlike other Aces, due to injury or scheduling with other tournaments, they are not being used in the line up. That means they have a 0% chance to make any points (out side of +1 for team win). So there is this huge mismatch between their value and how many FPL points they are expected to earn. Picking an anti-team is not challenging or fun, if you can just pick players that aren't in the line up and meet your 13 points requirement.
However you can't just give them really low values, because when they do get to play, they are expected to make tons of points. Since we don't know when they will be able to play again, it's really difficult to pick the right value for them because the expected value of FPL points for them to earn is linear to how many times they are on the line up.
So what's the solution? Give them a high value, expecting them to make 0 (or 1) point and deprecate in value week over week. The trade value I believe is linear to the number of matches they have left, so this will correspond well with their true value when they do get to play again. And then not let you pick them until they are confirmed to be able to play again.
Just pretend that Taeja and Stephano aren't even in the roster, because at this moment, for intents and purposes they are not in the roster. The only reason they are on the list so that you can trade for them later on if they can play again. There is nothing unfair about this rule. Yes there are other players that aren't playing in the line-up in the first week, but they are not ace players. They are worth 3 or less cost. In fact, if we got rid of all the 1 point players, as none of them are playing, I bet half the fantasy teams would be destroyed because they rely on getting worthless player to free up cost to get more high value players. They simply aren't worth enough cost to break the FPL scoring system. In the end it just comes down to math. Fantasy league is fun because the admins try to do a good job of estimating the expected scoring capability of each player based on past data, and then the formula is designed to make every trade and pick involve some amount of risk. Picking Taeja or Stephano for anti when they aren't playing provides a huge reward for 0 risk, and that's not fun.
Never though I'd see the day Jaehoon was worth 8 points, lol, All in all, not too confident about my team this round, so hopefully things don't go too bad.
On January 28 2013 09:49 kc2siq wrote: I really find it unfair to not be able to pick Stephano or Taeja for our anti-teams...
It would make more sense to just decrease their point value due to their lack of appearances. Hell, even the OP is giving advice not to pick the two... just feels off if it's suppose to be official and informational.
EDIT: When I mean decrease, I mean start with a decreased point value rather than let it decay overtime.
EG-TL has really messed up anti-team in the first two rounds. :/ Picking anti is supposed to be really hard but so far it's been easy in that regard. Kinda glad they're off limits because eg-tl has different priorities than other PL teams, and we even get to see line-ups in advance these days.
Good point. But why is Idra still allowed on anti-team? The low number of points on his part make up for him probably never going to play in PL. I feel like we can decrease their point values just enough so anti-team wouldn't be an obvious choice and make it so they're actually viable as part of one's team.
If we valued them appropriately(say ~7 points each), then their values would decrease too dramatically in weeks 2-5. Then, you'd be able to trade a very low valued player who did ok for Taeja/Stephano when they do play. Valuing them at 9 and making them un-antiteamable is the best solution we could come up with.
Oh, just realized this post explained it much better.
Wait...what??? Why the HELL is SKT T1 only worth ONE point?? We know their potential, you can't drop them THAT low. Maybe the points are right for all teams except that SKT should surely be 2 instead.
This time around I'm going to take a few lessons learned from Round 1. The key to winning is picking a team that will do well and sticking with players on that team. Too much diversifying really makes it very difficult to gain points, as you often end up in situations were every win for one of your players is a loss in some way for another. With that in mind:
Anti-T!
Main Team 3 Crazy-Hydra (captain) Was Solid in Round 1 and for 3 points I think he'll be solid again. Captain because I don't forsee his value increasing enough to warrant a trade to a better player.
8 JangBi Jangbi has looked solid of late, and I'm putting the majority of my eggs in the Khan basket (*gulp*). I hope they continue to play well
3 JYP At 3 points and with the potential to play and win in aces, seems like a solid pickup to me. Also he's playing PvZ round 1 so I like the value here.
5 P7GAB(Wooki) KT is solid and since I already had crazy Hydra he seemed like a good mid tier pickup to me.
8 RorO If Jangbi isn't ace hoping Roro will be. He kinda failed me in round 1, hoping he continues his upward trend. I choose him over Stork (and the extra point picking stork would give me) because 1) He's Z and not P (like Jangbi) and 2) I don't have another good reason
1 Turn He's a 1 point Khan player. Decided early that I'd be able to make a better team if I took some of these higher point players rather than try to get a more balanced team. Hoping he'll gain some points from Khan wins.
2 Samsung Khan Two points is cheap, and Khan has been looking up. Don't fail me Khan!
On January 28 2013 12:58 opterown wrote: picking a team is not easy, haha
For me it was between selecting two solid aces and a bunch of fillers or a bunch of well rounded players that will probably win a majority of their matches but not see ace. I went with the latter o_O
On January 28 2013 14:58 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Guys, THIS is where you should be posting teams.
How do I join groups other than just Zerg Users? Is it just automatic, or is there a way?
Click on FPL. Click on Misc Click on My groups. Find the group you like. Press the + button on the far right side by left clicking on it with your mouse.
So couldn't Stephano technically be sent out for the ace match if there is one? He's at the venue, and I can't find any explanation of the rules that say he wouldn't be allowed to. All the rules I can find say that the ace player can be someone who already played, but not that they have to be. If it's an issue of the team needing to declare ALL eligible players beforehand then that would make sense.
I totally get the reasoning for not being able to pick him and Taeja. Not trying to argue with that, just purely a question about the rules.
haha its the twilight zone. Flash loses to s2, wooki loses to best, and action loses to sacsri and SKT1 beats KT with both rain and fantasy losing. wut?! good thing I predicted stats over rain and ended up not picking up action (although that was cuz i thought KT would win 4-1 ) shame i didnt pick up SKT1 for 1 point though, chose EGTL and they are getting owned right now.
On January 28 2013 19:14 Fenrisulf wrote: haha its the twilight zone. Flash loses to s2, wooki loses to best, and action loses to sacsri and SKT1 beats KT with both rain and fantasy losing. wut?! good thing I predicted stats over rain and ended up not picking up action (although that was cuz i thought KT would win 4-1 ) shame i didnt pick up SKT1 for 1 point though, chose EGTL and they are getting owned right now.
This kills my entire team for this round. After the first two rounds I finally ended up with a stacked KT Team. And then almost everyone in my FPL team lost in the first match. Good job. :D
Well, day 1 was disappointing, luckily I only have JYP and Motive from today's games. Tomorrow is gonna be big test for my team, and hopefully they will deliver!
On January 28 2013 15:35 Shinta) wrote: omg really? There haven't been any matches played but it's still too late to sign up?
Signups were actually close late, about 10 minutes into the first game.
So how will points be awarded for that since IIRC 10min into the game it was fairly sure that SoO would win. (hopefully none used the extra time to get an advantage) ----
Damn that Flash tried to go mech, really messed up his BO and s2 just had his number. (points on my anti) KT lose and Wooki as well... nice start =/
Thankfully Bogus and Trap scored, hopefully Terminator and Free will do the same! An really interesting start of FTL with big guys falling.
On January 28 2013 15:35 Shinta) wrote: omg really? There haven't been any matches played but it's still too late to sign up?
Signups were actually close late, about 10 minutes into the first game.
So how will points be awarded for that since IIRC 10min into the game it was fairly sure that SoO would win. (hopefully none used the extra time to get an advantage)
So I just found time to check today's Proleague results...
Do you know the scene in Seven Psychopaths where Colin Farrell screams "THAT'S JUST FUCKING GREAT!!"? It's like that.
I would have predicted every single map in KT vs SKT to go the exact opposite way, so my team has obviously done terrible so far and on top of that even hyvaa, a player on my anti team, won against JYP, a player on my main team.
Motive, Wooki, JVP, Puma and KT on my main... And Hyvaa on my anti... After the first night everything i´m already out :D Just hoping that Cure or Hydra save me from getting - points in week one...
began good with soO winning... but then Revival and JYP also lost, my antiteamer Jaedong won and cuz the match ended 1-4 HerO didnt get to play (well at least he got 1 point for lineup :S). Fortunately WJS, Bravo and Light are still playing 2morrow but so is herO, my last antiteam member. Might not be a good week to start off with, had hoped to gain something for trades but looks like most will only drop in value
On January 28 2013 22:14 Zeon0 wrote: JD and herO in your anti? Why would you do that?
herO faces JangBi and i hope that JangBi is going to beat him. JD only seemed to win ZvZ in proleague and he faced a hot dear so i (stupidly) thought it a safe bet to take JD and trade him off next week... now if im lucky and stephano becomes available that might be the best option even :S
I really thought Wooki was highly likely to beat Best, Dear lost to Jaedong also but that was more of a coinflip in my mind. STX and Bogus getting me some points though, decent start.
On January 28 2013 22:14 Zeon0 wrote: JD and herO in your anti? Why would you do that?
herO faces JangBi and i hope that JangBi is going to beat him. JD only seemed to win ZvZ in proleague and he faced a hot dear so i (stupidly) thought it a safe bet to take JD and trade him off next week... now if im lucky and stephano becomes available that might be the best option even :S
JD beat MC in the HyperX tournament. MC then 4-0s his two Code S Zerg opponents. And then you think JD has a weak ZvP? I still dont get it^^
On January 28 2013 22:14 Zeon0 wrote: JD and herO in your anti? Why would you do that?
herO faces JangBi and i hope that JangBi is going to beat him. JD only seemed to win ZvZ in proleague and he faced a hot dear so i (stupidly) thought it a safe bet to take JD and trade him off next week... now if im lucky and stephano becomes available that might be the best option even :S
JD beat MC in the HyperX tournament. MC then 4-0s his two Code S Zerg opponents. And then you think JD has a weak ZvP? I still dont get it^^
This is the same silly logic people use to "prove" things in football. The conditions are nowhere near the same from playing a tournament overseas with 0 preparation, to the most prestigious tournament on the world with more preparation and no potential for jetlag. Jaedongs weaker non mirrors are exactly why he's still in Code A.
On January 28 2013 22:14 Zeon0 wrote: JD and herO in your anti? Why would you do that?
herO faces JangBi and i hope that JangBi is going to beat him. JD only seemed to win ZvZ in proleague and he faced a hot dear so i (stupidly) thought it a safe bet to take JD and trade him off next week... now if im lucky and stephano becomes available that might be the best option even :S
On January 28 2013 09:49 kc2siq wrote: I really find it unfair to not be able to pick Stephano or Taeja for our anti-teams...
It would make more sense to just decrease their point value due to their lack of appearances. Hell, even the OP is giving advice not to pick the two... just feels off if it's suppose to be official and informational.
EDIT: When I mean decrease, I mean start with a decreased point value rather than let it decay overtime.
EG-TL has really messed up anti-team in the first two rounds. :/ Picking anti is supposed to be really hard but so far it's been easy in that regard. Kinda glad they're off limits because eg-tl has different priorities than other PL teams, and we even get to see line-ups in advance these days.
Good point. But why is Idra still allowed on anti-team? The low number of points on his part make up for him probably never going to play in PL. I feel like we can decrease their point values just enough so anti-team wouldn't be an obvious choice and make it so they're actually viable as part of one's team.
If we valued them appropriately(say ~7 points each), then their values would decrease too dramatically in weeks 2-5. Then, you'd be able to trade a very low valued player who did ok for Taeja/Stephano when they do play. Valuing them at 9 and making them un-antiteamable is the best solution we could come up with.
Oh, just realized this post explained it much better.
Yep, Mr bamboo explains it quite eloquently admittedly.
However, my main problem with your arguments is that it depends on if they actually do play consistently after 2-5 weeks like it's a foregone conclusion. For example, you trade a low valued player at say ~4 points for Stephano, he wins you 3 points and then he never plays again, to trade for him will still be a risky proposition with 2 points trading for him and trading him off if need be. Hell, it was stated previously that the reason they're valued so highly is because they're going to be ace players, but that seems like a huge IF considering EGTL's tendency to use JYP and Revival as Ace players.
Still, this is a sticky situation and every solution will probably be argued over so I'll stop being a whiny bitch and admit you guys did your best. lol. =P
On January 28 2013 22:14 Zeon0 wrote: JD and herO in your anti? Why would you do that?
herO faces JangBi and i hope that JangBi is going to beat him. JD only seemed to win ZvZ in proleague and he faced a hot dear so i (stupidly) thought it a safe bet to take JD and trade him off next week... now if im lucky and stephano becomes available that might be the best option even :S
JD beat MC in the HyperX tournament. MC then 4-0s his two Code S Zerg opponents. And then you think JD has a weak ZvP? I still dont get it^^
This is the same silly logic people use to "prove" things in football. The conditions are nowhere near the same from playing a tournament overseas with 0 preparation, to the most prestigious tournament on the world with more preparation and no potential for jetlag. Jaedongs weaker non mirrors are exactly why he's still in Code A.
thats how i explain, that JDs ZvZ is great, his ZvP is very good, his ZvT is not that great, but still above most of the Kespa guys
I dunno what's up with Puma by the way lol. I hesitated to pick Classic because he is notoriously bad and even lost vs a foreigner, but Puma didn't even win in proleague and doesn't have kespa coaches to help him prepare decently. Turned out to be a good choice, will have to see if Classic can win some other matches tho. Sad that a NASL winner get trashed everytime he is sent out :/.
Also was really counting on Flash....Dear didn't lose me points, but he should have won, I was stupid and didn't realize he was playing a PvZ on Caldeum, I'd have picked Trap > Dear in that case T_T
Oh well, i think Dear is the stronger player overall.
On January 29 2013 01:07 Kahzaar wrote: Off to a good start, already -9 in total with soO, crazy-hydra and jaedong in anti-team. Hopefully CJ can rescue me tomorrow.
They have to. I have Effort, Hydra, Bbyong(doesn't play tomorrow, but still...) and CJ as team. If they mess up, I'm so terribly fucked :D
On January 29 2013 01:07 Kahzaar wrote: Off to a good start, already -9 in total with soO, crazy-hydra and jaedong in anti-team. Hopefully CJ can rescue me tomorrow.
They have to. I have Effort, Hydra, Bbyong(doesn't play tomorrow, but still...) and CJ as team. If they mess up, I'm so terribly fucked :D
And I have Effort, Hero, Bong and Byong (and Leta) :D
Also was really counting on Flash....Dear didn't lose me points, but he should have won, I was stupid and didn't realize he was playing a PvZ on Caldeum, I'd have picked Trap > Dear in that case T_T
Oh well, i think Dear is the stronger player overall.
Yeah well your Dunktrain aint got shit on my Faith. I took a screenshot that will be framed and put on the wall above the fireplace. Ego #5. I also want to give a shoutout to my boy Otolia.
On January 28 2013 22:14 Zeon0 wrote: JD and herO in your anti? Why would you do that?
herO faces JangBi and i hope that JangBi is going to beat him. JD only seemed to win ZvZ in proleague and he faced a hot dear so i (stupidly) thought it a safe bet to take JD and trade him off next week... now if im lucky and stephano becomes available that might be the best option even :S
JD beat MC in the HyperX tournament. MC then 4-0s his two Code S Zerg opponents. And then you think JD has a weak ZvP? I still dont get it^^
This is the same silly logic people use to "prove" things in football. The conditions are nowhere near the same from playing a tournament overseas with 0 preparation, to the most prestigious tournament on the world with more preparation and no potential for jetlag. Jaedongs weaker non mirrors are exactly why he's still in Code A.
thats how i explain, that JDs ZvZ is great, his ZvP is very good, his ZvT is not that great, but still above most of the Kespa guys
Alright, so I pretty much called every game incorrectly day one. Granted only half my team played (the bottom half), but bogus was the only one to pull through.
Only person on egtl who won was jaedong and he is on my anti. Ouch.
On January 28 2013 22:41 Zeon0 wrote: Why would you buy Action? He sucks in Zvt an ZvP and it was quite likely that he doesnt get to play on D1.
On January 29 2013 07:35 Salteador Neo wrote: Dayum 1k people chose soO, that's quite the surprise to me.
Please remember that FPL - and Proleague in general - and probably all of Starcraft - is as much about calculating which player is better than the other as it is about gut feeling and belief. 1040 people have picked soO and 1391 picked SKT T1 because that's where our heart is.
Brace yourselves, fellows, this round is bound to have many disappointments from anti-teams.
I believe the overall prices were a bit low. So it was much easier than usual to make a great main team, but much harder than usual to make a proper anti-team. Most of us are gonna get screwed hard by their anti-teams, I bet. On top of that, teams are bringing more negative points than usual, when they lose.
On January 29 2013 09:18 figq wrote: Brace yourselves, fellows, this round is bound to have many disappointments from anti-teams.
I believe the overall prices were a bit low. So it was much easier than usual to make a great main team, but much harder than usual to make a proper anti-team. Most of us are gonna get screwed hard by their anti-teams, I bet. On top of that, teams are bringing more negative points than usual, when they lose.
Most 4-5 points players were pretty decent. If you get 3 of them on your anti, you are gonna blow up.
I think its way better to get one overrated high point player (Stork!, Hydra, Jangbi, eventually trade for Taeja), and then some 2-3 pointers.
On January 29 2013 09:31 00Visor wrote: I think its way better to get one overrated high point player (Stork!, Hydra, Jangbi, eventually trade for Taeja), and then some 2-3 pointers.
I took Stork, but... I'm scared shitless, to be honest. Stork is kinda crazy, he could become the best player this round if he feels like it.
Missed the cutoff before I could form a team. what happens when you dont check team liquid for 1 day! (or click enough buttons to see you need to pick a new team)
Thats horrible, too late to make a team T.T They should let you make a team after deadline, but ignore all previous results of players prior to making it.
Sigh. Bong is better than Reality straight up but had to go hidden DT into loss. And then effort vs roro 50/50 ace game didn't land in my favor. that coin toss ace game turned +8 into -1 for the CJ vs KHAN match on my FPL team. QQ
I cannot believe this. With flash/wooki/soulkey/light/skyhigh 5 out of 6 players in my fpl main team straight up lost t.t . And the only one who brought me points is shine, who i am trading first thing i can cause he almost lost to a complete newcomer had he attacked him with 20 roaches v 1 spine crawler and 3 lings. Sigh, and i thought this round will start of better than the last. At least skt won.
Don't panic just after this first week. Yes it was a wierd week and the world seems to have change polarity but it's a 5 week round so there is still a lot of possibility to rack points if you took the right players.
On January 29 2013 21:16 Otolia wrote: Don't panic just after this first week. Yes it was a wierd week and the world seems to have change polarity but it's a 5 week round so there is still a lot of possibility to rack points if you took the right players.
I agree, I decided to go for wooki over stats even though i think stats is better based on this weeks matchups. It seems picking a team based on matchups was a terrible idea for now, every favorite seems to be losing. The less likely for a player to do well in FPL the better he did, bar roro.
Everyone take note that the next PL matches will already be on Friday this week. OGN will broadcast a LoL tournament on Saturday, so the PL matches got moved. Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday will carry PL matches as usual. Keep this in mind for trading and lineup announcements.
I just want to say I love fantasy proleague even though my team is in negative points half the time t.t but it is so much fun to make a team and follow all of their progress. It makes watching SC even more entertaining.
well, the team i made while looking at players that performed decently in the last round and picking an antiteam based of matchups... totally sucked balls. just gonna go for a nontrade round and see what happens, maybe it turns around next week
I would have been top 100 after the first set of games if my anti-team wouldn't have done so well. All 3 of them won their match, and two of their teams won.
Sitting at -4. I don't think I've ever been in the negatives ever since I started playing FPL. But damn LOL. Hope to God hyvaa and Shine don't win anymore lol
Such a bad start for me. This week is upset galore
I expected both Light and Hon_sin to win. On paper they were favored against their opponents. Was expecting 4-1 WJS victory.
Very surprised Zero lost to Savage though, but wasn't expecting the series to goto game 6 when I planned my FPL team.
That on top of Bong losing a match with a silly build even though he was also favored in the match up IMO. And then effort losing the ace match in an essentially 50/50 coin flip.
Oh and of course JYP losing to hyvaa in his best match up on a relatively favored map, too. Everything just did not go my way exception Effort and Innovation winning their normal matches, but they were heavy heavy favorates in those games. Hell, I was expecting STX vs EGTL to go into ace with innovation winning, very likely scenario if JYP won his game. Just everything went the opposite of what I expected.
Oh well, such is pro league. You win some and you lose some.
edit: and it's not just my team: Flash, Fantasy, Rain, Wooki, Action were all big favorates going into their game. Revival threw a won game vs trap.
Most of the upsets would've forced an ace game, which is worth tons of points, it's like an avalanche effect where a single loss ends up flipping 5-10 FPL points for the series. Especially with the new team scoring where there is now a bigger gap between winning and losing the ace game for a team.
On January 30 2013 07:47 mrbamboo wrote: Such a bad start for me. This week is upset galore
I expected both Light and Hon_sin to win. On paper they were favored against their opponents. Was expecting 4-1 WJS victory.
Very surprised Zero lost to Savage though, but wasn't expecting the series to goto game 6 when I planned my FPL team.
That on top of Bong losing a match with a silly build even though he was also favored in the match up IMO. And then effort losing the ace match in an essentially 50/50 coin flip. .
my team has seemed fairly close to yours past two rounds, except i liked reality over bong (thankfully). I thought zero was a sure bet I miss lurking on the "post your team" thread and listening to people smarter than me talk about their team for a week before making my own
Have the lineups for the next week been announced yet? The next matches are on Feb.1 so I would expect the lineups to have been announced by now but I can't seem to find them anywhere, even on liquipedia it says TBD. I would like to know who is playing who before I make any trades so if anybody knows where I can find this info I would appreciate it! =)
On January 31 2013 03:31 ApBuLLet wrote: Have the lineups for the next week been announced yet? The next matches are on Feb.1 so I would expect the lineups to have been announced by now but I can't seem to find them anywhere, even on liquipedia it says TBD. I would like to know who is playing who before I make any trades so if anybody knows where I can find this info I would appreciate it! =)
On January 30 2013 07:47 mrbamboo wrote: Such a bad start for me. This week is upset galore
I expected both Light and Hon_sin to win. On paper they were favored against their opponents. Was expecting 4-1 WJS victory.
Very surprised Zero lost to Savage though, but wasn't expecting the series to goto game 6 when I planned my FPL team.
That on top of Bong losing a match with a silly build even though he was also favored in the match up IMO. And then effort losing the ace match in an essentially 50/50 coin flip.
Oh and of course JYP losing to hyvaa in his best match up on a relatively favored map, too. Everything just did not go my way exception Effort and Innovation winning their normal matches, but they were heavy heavy favorates in those games. Hell, I was expecting STX vs EGTL to go into ace with innovation winning, very likely scenario if JYP won his game. Just everything went the opposite of what I expected.
Oh well, such is pro league. You win some and you lose some.
edit: and it's not just my team: Flash, Fantasy, Rain, Wooki, Action were all big favorates going into their game. Revival threw a won game vs trap.
Most of the upsets would've forced an ace game, which is worth tons of points, it's like an avalanche effect where a single loss ends up flipping 5-10 FPL points for the series. Especially with the new team scoring where there is now a bigger gap between winning and losing the ace game for a team.
yes i understand what this is, on my paper my team should've been all wins... at least innovation and soo made their normal games. revival lost that game to trap.... jyp shouldve won that game, and wooki(pvp beast) was certainly favorite against the shaky Best.... on top of that. hyva won his game, so my anti- is alrdy -5. only Soulkey was a bet against Speed whose tvz is good, but so is Soulkey. plus i tHought WJN was going to 4-1 t8 the main reason why i didnt pick ryul2 who was said by major the best player on t8
On January 31 2013 03:31 ApBuLLet wrote: Have the lineups for the next week been announced yet? The next matches are on Feb.1 so I would expect the lineups to have been announced by now but I can't seem to find them anywhere, even on liquipedia it says TBD. I would like to know who is playing who before I make any trades so if anybody knows where I can find this info I would appreciate it! =)
On January 31 2013 04:12 HereBeDragons wrote: I have a question, would we be able to trade for Stephano or Taeja on anti this week?
Yup, should be able to. They are still worth a lot of points though so if they start playing again soon you won't have many options as far as trading them away. Taeja should be a safe bet to be out a little while longer but I have no idea about Stephano. Who knows if he will play or not...
On January 31 2013 03:31 ApBuLLet wrote: Have the lineups for the next week been announced yet? The next matches are on Feb.1 so I would expect the lineups to have been announced by now but I can't seem to find them anywhere, even on liquipedia it says TBD. I would like to know who is playing who before I make any trades so if anybody knows where I can find this info I would appreciate it! =)
On January 31 2013 03:31 ApBuLLet wrote: Have the lineups for the next week been announced yet? The next matches are on Feb.1 so I would expect the lineups to have been announced by now but I can't seem to find them anywhere, even on liquipedia it says TBD. I would like to know who is playing who before I make any trades so if anybody knows where I can find this info I would appreciate it! =)
Should be today. Just wait for it.
Sigh, I look at the above posts and never seem to find what I'm looking for. Happens all the time.
On January 31 2013 04:08 dubRa wrote: The two horrible results for my team the First week was RorO > EffOrt and hyvaa > JYP Which on paper should not have happened.
Wooki not winning against Best was also... unthinkable.
I'm scared that Reality will slap Zenio because Zenio loses everytimes but Reality ain't that good/tradable from anti team.
I might trade Stats for herO since he has a difficult match vs Stork which he can win, and is sixth player inanother match, whereas herO join has two easy matches, but I'm not sure since upsets happen a lot in PvP.
Okay, you guys, be prepared, here comes the most horribly crushed-burned-demolished carefully thought out lineup ever.
Fate is my enemy (not a player, but you know, the thing).
So I went and made a fantasy roster mostly composed of WJ guys. I imagined I am a bit too overdependant and that could lead to problems but this is just too much more than bad luck for me to comprehend.
Let's take a look at my team:
Dear Bravo Light Mekia Soulkey ZerO team: WJS
And then here is my anti:
SHine hyvaa HerO
Note that hyvaa and Shine had like the worst records after two rounds, and I even jokingly wrote in the team posting thread that Shine is so ridiculously bad that I can only hope he's not gonna be getting good now. (by the time I'm writing he's even qualified succesfully to Code A)
So the results:
Day 1:
Instead of +4 for Dear zeroing it out, he lost and hyvaa won, so I ended up with the opposite result.
Dear 1 hyvaa -4
Day 2:
Shine -4
Everyone thought T8 vs WJS is going to be a no-brainer, and then what happened?
Not only did T8 win, they won 4-2 in such a way where everyone but the players I am having on my fantasy won for WJS :D
Light 0 BrAvO 0 Soulkey 0 ZerO 0 (and ZerO lost a ZvZ too. A ZvZ.Out of ever or anyMU.) Woongjin -1
Main Team Bbyong: The hottest 2 pointer I could pick up. Unfortunately, is not playing for what seems like forever. Traded.
Innovation (Bogus): I picked him up because he seemed underpriced, and he isn't disappointing. This week he's playing Aria and sKyHigh, two players that don't exactly command the same authority as Zenio, who pretty much died against him. Keeping.
Sacsri: Who is this person exactly? I don't know, but he's cheap and winning, and he's playing two zergs, only one of which is ZerO. Keeping.
herO[jOin]: Aww yeah. My favorite Kespa player won his match against the ferocious JangBi, and he's facing two lesser protosses, ParalyzE and Trap. Keeping.
Revival: Sigh... How good is his ZvZ? Maybe keeping.
ZerO: Well, I'll definately get SOME points since he's playing Sacsri. He's also playing hyvaa, so I expect lots of ZvZ practice. He's also pretty good. Keeping.
ANTI TEAM EffOrt: What was I thinking!? My luck can not possibly hold! Can't do anything
Bong: Facing two zergs and could beat them both; his PvZ is not very tested yet. Traded.
Last: Why are ALL of my anti-team members playing two games this week. *sigh* Gotta trade them all! Keeping.
Adding: SonGDuri to my main team. Playing two matches, unlike everyone else I could find. Unfortunately, one is against my main team, and one is against my anti-team. Could do worse though...
JYP to my anti team. He's got matches against Stork and Cure, two formidable players.
Reality and Shine have two of the worst winrates in all of proleauge throughout Round 1 and 2. So I put them both on my anti. They both then beat their opponents, causing me to lose 9 points and then they both proceed to qualify for Code A.
I don't think I will trade Stats for herO[Join] as I wanted to do initially. He seems to have two easy opponents but in fact he lost against Paralyze like 11 days ago, and his PvP is good-ish but not THAT good that it would be an autowin, especially in a bo1. Plus I don't like trading too much, too easy to regret, so I'll stay with Stats despite a hard pvp vs Stork and a sixth place match.
Since I have both Classic and sHy I got a guaranteed +4 for STX vs WJS. Reality qualifying for code A scares me though, and if he is against Zenio it's almost certain he'll win, but there are no good trades for him in anti-team T;T.
On January 31 2013 15:19 R1CH wrote: No, but he's injured and clearly priced as if he isn't.
This is a bit fucked up though. If he wasn't priced properly at the start, then why was he priced that way? The current protocol regarding players not playing in the first week has been to not be able to pick them on anti team in week 1, but then from week 2 onward. I created my team with this in mind, because otherwise I assumed Taeja wouldn't have been left at the top with that many points. Even some of the language used indicated that Taeja's value was going to decay over time, which means to me that again Taeja is going to remain pickable on anti just not during week 1. I developed my strategy around this, picked a high point player I thought would lose week 1 based on match ups. Now I'm stuck with Rain on my anti team and can't trade to the guy I wanted to.
I'm not saying Taeja should be valued as he is, but this should've been announced or dealt with before we got started, not changed afterwards. It messed up my entire anti-team, and I'm slightly pissed off about it. Yes it's just for fun, and yeah I can just stop playing if I don't like it, but I like making a strategy and planning ahead. I don't understand why he was left in there at the point value he's at, if TL didn't plan on keeping him there. It's not like something suddenly happened to him this week. I feel like I'm being punished for actually putting some effort into my team.
On January 31 2013 15:19 R1CH wrote: No, but he's injured and clearly priced as if he isn't.
This is a bit fucked up though. If he wasn't priced properly at the start, then why was he priced that way? The current protocol regarding players not playing in the first week has been to not be able to pick them on anti team in week 1, but then from week 2 onward. I created my team with this in mind, because otherwise I assumed Taeja wouldn't have been left at the top with that many points. Even some of the language used indicated that Taeja's value was going to decay over time, which means to me that again Taeja is going to remain pickable on anti just not during week 1. I developed my strategy around this, picked a high point player I thought would lose week 1 based on match ups. Now I'm stuck with Rain on my anti team and can't trade to the guy I wanted to.
I'm not saying Taeja should be valued as he is, but this should've been announced or dealt with before we got started, not changed afterwards. It messed up my entire anti-team, and I'm slightly pissed off about it. Yes it's just for fun, and yeah I can just stop playing if I don't like it, but I like making a strategy and planning ahead. I don't understand why he was left in there at the point value he's at, if TL didn't plan on keeping him there. It's not like something suddenly happened to him this week. I feel like I'm being punished for actually putting some effort into my team.
Well it does say TaeJa and Stephano aren't pickable on anti until further notice, so it sounds like you just made a huge gamble on TaeJa being pickable this week. If we knew he would be everyone would follow such a strategy.
This is a bit fucked up though. If he wasn't priced properly at the start, then why was he priced that way? The current protocol regarding players not playing in the first week has been to not be able to pick them on anti team in week 1, but then from week 2 onward. I created my team with this in mind, because otherwise I assumed Taeja wouldn't have been left at the top with that many points. Even some of the language used indicated that Taeja's value was going to decay over time, which means to me that again Taeja is going to remain pickable on anti just not during week 1. I developed my strategy around this, picked a high point player I thought would lose week 1 based on match ups. Now I'm stuck with Rain on my anti team and can't trade to the guy I wanted to.
I'm not saying Taeja should be valued as he is, but this should've been announced or dealt with before we got started, not changed afterwards. It messed up my entire anti-team, and I'm slightly pissed off about it. Yes it's just for fun, and yeah I can just stop playing if I don't like it, but I like making a strategy and planning ahead. I don't understand why he was left in there at the point value he's at, if TL didn't plan on keeping him there. It's not like something suddenly happened to him this week. I feel like I'm being punished for actually putting some effort into my team.
Taeja, I can sorta understand, as players who retire or become unquestionally unavailable etc. have traditionally been made unavailable for anti. + Show Spoiler +
(Although he seems to be avaliable going by his Code S interview)
but I don't really get why Stephano wasn't available for week 1 anti, Unless I'm missing or misunderstanding something (and if I am, I'd be very happy for someone to explain it to me ), the only reason Stephano was unpickable was "not scheduled on the roster in week 1", and if that's really the case, I don't see why there wasn't a more equitable rule that prevented the picking of any player who wasn't rostered for the week, like Last and others, instead of just Stephano.
On January 31 2013 15:19 R1CH wrote: No, but he's injured and clearly priced as if he isn't.
This is a bit fucked up though. If he wasn't priced properly at the start, then why was he priced that way? The current protocol regarding players not playing in the first week has been to not be able to pick them on anti team in week 1, but then from week 2 onward. I created my team with this in mind, because otherwise I assumed Taeja wouldn't have been left at the top with that many points. Even some of the language used indicated that Taeja's value was going to decay over time, which means to me that again Taeja is going to remain pickable on anti just not during week 1. I developed my strategy around this, picked a high point player I thought would lose week 1 based on match ups. Now I'm stuck with Rain on my anti team and can't trade to the guy I wanted to.
I'm not saying Taeja should be valued as he is, but this should've been announced or dealt with before we got started, not changed afterwards. It messed up my entire anti-team, and I'm slightly pissed off about it. Yes it's just for fun, and yeah I can just stop playing if I don't like it, but I like making a strategy and planning ahead. I don't understand why he was left in there at the point value he's at, if TL didn't plan on keeping him there. It's not like something suddenly happened to him this week. I feel like I'm being punished for actually putting some effort into my team.
Well it does say TaeJa and Stephano aren't pickable on anti until further notice, so it sounds like you just made a huge gamble on TaeJa being pickable this week. If we knew he would be everyone would follow such a strategy.
I don't think what I did was a gamble. How was I to know his status as a pickable player would be changed from the start of FPL? He was announced that he wasn't available to be picked for anti for week 1, not for the entire season (unless I missed something). Announcing it after the fact doesn't matter :/, as then the game creators are changing the game after it's started and I cannot be expected to account for that. Taeja's wrist has been hurt for a while, why wasn't he removed earlier?
Stephano and Taeja are unable to be picked on your anti-team until further notice. We also HIGHLY discourage you from picking them on your main team, as they probably won't be playing in the first week. They are both valued at 9 so that they will hopefully decay to their proper values by the time they eventually play. We hope to make player absences less of a factor in Fantasy Proleague.
I don't see what's so unclear about that.
On February 01 2013 07:20 ExO_ wrote: The current protocol regarding players not playing in the first week has been to not be able to pick them on anti team in week 1, but then from week 2 onward.
There is no protocol and I'm not sure why you would assume so based on 2 rounds of data. In round 1, Stephano/Idra were allowed to be anti-teamed in week 2, because we were unsure of their status in week 2. In round 2, Stephano was allowed to be anti-teamed in week 2, because Stephano arrived in Korea right before round 2. It's just a coincidence that you extrapolated too much from.
On February 01 2013 09:05 Patchouli wrote: Taeja, I can sorta understand, as players who retire or become unquestionally unavailable etc. have traditionally been made unavailable for anti. + Show Spoiler +
(Although he seems to be avaliable going by his Code S interview)
but I don't really get why Stephano wasn't available for week 1 anti, Unless I'm missing or misunderstanding something (and if I am, I'd be very happy for someone to explain it to me ), the only reason Stephano was unpickable was "not scheduled on the roster in week 1", and if that's really the case, I don't see why there wasn't a more equitable rule that prevented the picking of any player who wasn't rostered for the week, like Last and others, instead of just Stephano.
Everyone pretty much knew Stephano wasn't going to play in week 1. There's two reasons Stephano is so different from every other player. First is that everyone knows he has another commitment in Code S; you can easily predict he won't be on the lineup or even play as ace. There was a good chance that wouldn't play in future matches in round 2 either. The more important reason is that he's the only really good high valued player(besides Taeja) who wasn't in the lineup. Thus, if we priced Stephano "fairly", every logical person would have picked him on their anti-teams, leading to another un-competitive season of FPL anti-teams.
On February 01 2013 13:47 bittman wrote: The only thing I changed this week is JYP for Bong.
Honestly everything else I look at on my team isn't wrong. But -11 so I sort of almost feel I've given up on this round =(!
Oh well 1 good week would do me. Come on Stars, 4-0 + 4-0 and Bong getting both wins and Wooki not sucking this week
Bong could be a really good pick for this week, I was thinking of trading for him myself. He's playing one match up on one map and vs two players who aren't exactly the cream of the crop... The CJ coach seems to do a really good job as far as the lineups go, I think that's one reason they have done so well lately.
It's good that I start to play FPL, now EGTL can lose badly and I am not even mad with my anti team being HerO, Jaedong and Thorzain. Keep up the good work
All 3 KT players on my team won their games(Flash (although he lost the ace match), Crazy, Wooki) but KT ended up losing. Sucks because those extra points from a team win could've helped the fact that Terminator is on my anti-team...
anti-team dropped reality for TRUE, paid off. still disappointed in flash not winning ace match... and me not trading fantasy for Argo when i had the chance. sigh. hindsight's a bitch.
I'm currently at -10, however this week was muuuuuuuch better than last. herO, WJS, Shy, Light all coming through for me. Shame Bong did not though. =(
I thought Stork would be the one to ruin my anti team if anyone were to, but then Shine suddenly decides to start winning when I put him on my anti team.
I dont get why a player loses 2 points for a loss in ace? it gives him less than a player that doesnt get picked at all. They should atleast get 0, instead of losing points.
On February 04 2013 21:15 ThePhan2m wrote: I dont get why a player loses 2 points for a loss in ace? it gives him less than a player that doesnt get picked at all. They should atleast get 0, instead of losing points.
It's called failing under pressure. Makes the ace match super tense.
Man. Out of all the 3 cost players to pick, I put the worst performing one Bong on my main, and the best performing one Reality on anti. So sad. Bong was starting to see some decent wins last round and Reality has like the worst win rate in proleague.
On February 05 2013 16:14 mrbamboo wrote: Man. Out of all the 3 cost players to pick, I put the worst performing one Bong on my main, and the best performing one Reality on anti. So sad. Bong was starting to see some decent wins last round and Reality has like the worst win rate in proleague.
I feel quite dumb too after making my previews. *sigh* Logic isn't always relevant especially considering the amount of cheese that are played.
I did this round so badly. Fantasy didn't score a single point, Hero and Ty underperforming, Skt as team, my fillers all doing equally horrible and Roro on anti-team. Lol. Oh well
On February 06 2013 02:34 ACrow wrote: I did this round so badly. Fantasy didn't score a single point, Hero and Ty underperforming, Skt as team, my fillers all doing equally horrible and Roro on anti-team. Lol. Oh well
LOL, GG! I'm so regretting not having RorO on my team =/ RorO + herO[join] seems like the combo to go this round.
I am out of the negatives for the first time this round! I would like to thank my mom for her continuous support and my main scorer herO! Couldn't have done it without you.
The "Trading closes" timer seems to be a little off again. As it is currently, trading closes a little more than 3 hours before the first R3 W3 match on Saturday (12:00 KST). I thought trading will be left open until shortly before the first match?
Just checked the official schedule. Apparently, there are no matches this coming weekend. The next matches (W3) are scheduled for Saturday, Feb 16 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). So shouldn't trading be open until then?
Almost out of the negatives!! Hyvaa and Shine have effectively destroyed my FPL with a combined -18. (Effort giving me -6). Damn. Did not expect those two to play so well. Now if KT would get some freakin wins.... jeez haha
Trading closes in ~3 days even though matches arent till the 16th...? Will trading re-open or is it going to be closed all the way until the next matches?
EDIT: They changed the trade deadline timer, nevermind hehe ^__^
On February 06 2013 09:54 Sigh wrote: Almost out of the negatives!! Hyvaa and Shine have effectively destroyed my FPL with a combined -18. (Effort giving me -6). Damn. Did not expect those two to play so well. Now if KT would get some freakin wins.... jeez haha
As you might say... Sigh.
I would be rank #295 instead of #721 if I had not made the Bong --> JYP trade last week. Worst trade of the year candidate.
On February 06 2013 11:11 Kurai wrote: so i'm trading to get taeja on my anti team by trading him for soO, but when i attempt to trade it said its restricted? can someone explain why?
Fantasy is sitting at 0 points on my roster t.t Do you guys think its worth trading him for Flash? Other than him and Soulkey my team doing pretty well. (500s atm)
EDIT: Nvm, they either updated it with different points per person or I missed something. Disregard the above.
wow this week couldnt have gone much better for me! i jumped over 1000 places and almost broke into double digits without even having Roro on my team
and i have to make a case for my boy Reality. as someone who is new to PL this season, he was the first "elephant" to impress and win me over in the early rounds of WCS Korea. and even tho the wins hadnt been there in the first rounds of PL, he played some nailbiters with Fantasy in the first round and Cure to start the second, as well as some other close games where he showed skill but couldnt close out. I didnt expect the streak, but i really thought he would break out in one of these rounds.
On February 06 2013 14:47 Wingblade wrote: Main team: 36, enough to put me in the top 200.
Anti-team: -20...
Ugh.
if counting only the main team points, 36pts would leave you around the top 1500 mark :3
... i'm kind of in a similar boat except with +56, -19, which leaves me in top 150. sang/jaedong/crazy-hydra anti is really fucking me up, and in retrospect, i should've known sang+c-h were dangerously bad picks instead of something like stork and some random b-teamer, considering stork had not and has not really managed any real show of strength in sc2. so i just grabbed a sang->stork trade expecting to cut my losses fairly well. what comes to jaedong, i'll still keep rooting for the former almost-bonjwa, but at the moment he's right where he belongs in my anti-team.
been trying to think whether i should trade someone from my light/soo/JYP trio, all of very similar ~16-18 trade value and 5/7/7 point earnings. i think JYP has been performing better than expected and has the potential to keep doing so at a fair (if not good) frequency, being - strangely somewhat expectedly - one of the carries of the slumping EGTL; light has been doing worse than expected and (i think) has a good chance to do better, i'd really like to keep him. when it comes to soo, i think he's overdone my expectations and hasn't looked particularly impressive doing so.
fuck it, soo->fantasy it is. originally valued at eight points for very good reason, switching an overperforming four pointer for him seems like a gamble that could pay off really well. it's who dares wins, the legendary proleague beast that he is, fanta can't keep losing forever.
On February 06 2013 12:46 Ophe wrote: I picked Roro for the anti-team this round lololllolollololo. No, but seriously. Fuck me.
you're not alone. Next time I should make my team when I'm not hungover.
I thought everyone already knew.. NEVER... EVER.. Under ANY circumstances should you take Roro on your anti team... when Starcraft 8 is out and Roro is a retired head in a jar in a Museum he will find a way to fuck your anti team...
On February 06 2013 12:46 Ophe wrote: I picked Roro for the anti-team this round lololllolollololo. No, but seriously. Fuck me.
you're not alone. Next time I should make my team when I'm not hungover.
I thought everyone already knew.. NEVER... EVER.. Under ANY circumstances should you take Roro on your anti team... when Starcraft 8 is out and Roro is a retired head in a jar in a Museum he will find a way to fuck your anti team...
I like Roro and I want him to do well. The best way to make Roro play well is to choose him for the anti team. Easy one.
On February 09 2013 02:18 JustPassingBy wrote: Can anybody explain to me why major is contributing 2 points to my team? I cannot find any games that he played... :-/
On February 09 2013 02:18 JustPassingBy wrote: Can anybody explain to me why major is contributing 2 points to my team? I cannot find any games that he played... :-/
Team 8 won two matches, everyone on a team's roster gets one point when the team wins.
On February 09 2013 02:18 JustPassingBy wrote: Can anybody explain to me why major is contributing 2 points to my team? I cannot find any games that he played... :-/
Team 8 won two matches, everyone on a team's roster gets one point when the team wins.
Haha - both Stephano and Action will have to face the same two insane ZvZ opponents: Soulkey and Effort. We'll see who gets the better end from this... well, unless both get 0-2'd, which is not that hard to imagine.
I'm thinking about two trades: Soulkey -> soO. Soulkey is playing Action, a ZvZ specialist and Stephano, not really a ZvZ specialist, but still quite strong. soO however impressed me lately, with his Code A qualification without dropping a map and then 2-0'ing Mvp in Code A. But he is also not that good in ZvZ
second trade I'm thinking about is Last -> Flying on my anti. Last is playing twice, vs True and Shine. Not that high caliber players. Flying is also playing twice, but the opponents are of a different class: the BW bonjwas JD and Flash. Flash didnt do too well lately, so i think he need to prove some doubters, JDs ZvP is also decent, overall i think Flying shouldnt win.
I'm thinking about two trades: Soulkey -> soO. Soulkey is playing Action, a ZvZ specialist and Stephano, not really a ZvZ specialist, but still quite strong. soO however impressed me lately, with his Code A qualification without dropping a map and then 2-0'ing Mvp in Code A. But he is also not that good in ZvZ
second trade I'm thinking about is Last -> Flying on my anti. Last is playing twice, vs True and Shine. Not that high caliber players. Flying is also playing twice, but the opponents are of a different class: the BW bonjwas JD and Flash. Flash didnt do too well lately, so i think he need to prove some doubters, JDs ZvP is also decent, overall i think Flying shouldnt win.
thoughts?
Soulkey while not as dominant as in round 1 is still very good and his second Code S top 8 in a row should be the proof of that. His real weakness is ZvP but he doesn't play any protoss this week. soO is good, but somewhat inconsistent.
Flying is a mistery, he played very badly in the beginning but he seems to have some fight left in him. I'm going to gamble on him trading Bong for him.
I'm thinking about two trades: Soulkey -> soO. Soulkey is playing Action, a ZvZ specialist and Stephano, not really a ZvZ specialist, but still quite strong. soO however impressed me lately, with his Code A qualification without dropping a map and then 2-0'ing Mvp in Code A. But he is also not that good in ZvZ
second trade I'm thinking about is Last -> Flying on my anti. Last is playing twice, vs True and Shine. Not that high caliber players. Flying is also playing twice, but the opponents are of a different class: the BW bonjwas JD and Flash. Flash didnt do too well lately, so i think he need to prove some doubters, JDs ZvP is also decent, overall i think Flying shouldnt win.
thoughts?
Soulkey while not as dominant as in round 1 is still very good and his second Code S top 8 in a row should be the proof of that. His real weakness is ZvP but he doesn't play any protoss this week. soO is good, but somewhat inconsistent.
Flying is a mistery, he played very badly in the beginning but he seems to have some fight left in him. I'm going to gamble on him trading Bong for him.
You can't trade Bong for Flying. When i saw your post, i said omg if its possible i will def do that. But flying is way more expensive than Bong Guess we're stuck with Bong. If he wins one game this round i will be very happy ...
One player of each race min. Thinking about trading Cure for TaeJa, TaeJa got 1 easy TvT and a hard TvP, Cure is a beast at TvT so might beat Bogus, and the other is vs relatively strong zerg. I dont know if I should trade him :/
On February 15 2013 02:34 TheDougler wrote: Hey why can't I trade both JYP for S2, and Rain for Taeja? I can do either of those but not both for some reason.
Because you need at least one player from each race. I guess that Rain and JYP are your only 2 protosses meaning that you can only trade one of them
On February 15 2013 02:34 TheDougler wrote: Hey why can't I trade both JYP for S2, and Rain for Taeja? I can do either of those but not both for some reason.
Because you need at least one player from each race. I guess that Rain and JYP are your only 2 protosses meaning that you can only trade one of them
or both of them if at least one of them is traded for another protoss unfortunately JD and herO play each other, both are on my antiteam... going for a no-trade round as i completely botched the team anyway (yea, JD&herO on anti!) but either way im going to take another hit into the antiteam. hope HerO&JYP + WJS can keep me in the positive and possibly boost me up close to top1000 tho
On February 15 2013 02:40 Poopi wrote: One player of each race min. Thinking about trading Cure for TaeJa, TaeJa got 1 easy TvT and a hard TvP, Cure is a beast at TvT so might beat Bogus, and the other is vs relatively strong zerg. I dont know if I should trade him :/
Heh, I hadn't even noticed that I'd be lacking that, thanks!
I'm thinking about two trades: Soulkey -> soO. Soulkey is playing Action, a ZvZ specialist and Stephano, not really a ZvZ specialist, but still quite strong. soO however impressed me lately, with his Code A qualification without dropping a map and then 2-0'ing Mvp in Code A. But he is also not that good in ZvZ
second trade I'm thinking about is Last -> Flying on my anti. Last is playing twice, vs True and Shine. Not that high caliber players. Flying is also playing twice, but the opponents are of a different class: the BW bonjwas JD and Flash. Flash didnt do too well lately, so i think he need to prove some doubters, JDs ZvP is also decent, overall i think Flying shouldnt win.
thoughts?
I would recommend Last -> Classic since he has no games this week. I was considering doing this trade myself but I also have True on my anti-team and I thought that True would have a better chance at winning his games than Last so I made the True -> Classic trade on my anti.
3 possibly trades on my main team:
Light -> Crazy-Hydra: Light is only playing one game again this week, i think he has a decent chance of winning the one game but it is still only 1 game...I think Crazy has a fair chance in both his games and if Light loses his game his value will drop even more...would definitely make this trade except I need to consider 2 others
Revival -> Sacsri: Agggh revival is also playing only one game, again, he has a decent chance of winning the one but if he loses he is gonna be untradeable next week...Sacsri also has a decent chance at both games, but he is playing as number 6 both times so it may never get to him...
Stats -> Dear: Stats has been faring ok so far, but he has two tough matches in sOs and Hydra this week. On the other hand Dear is playing his best matchup which he has a 4 win streak in, against Argo and Stork. Also considered trading Stats for Soulkey who is playing Action and Stephano, Action used to be known as a ZvZ expert but he is on a 3 loss streak in the matchup so who knows, Stephano isn't really known for ZvZ either but he is Stephano....
Shine -> Free is my only trade this week Free is only playing one match and he has a pretty good chance of losing it while Shine is playing 2 that he has a decent shot at winning
I'm in a hurry so I am going to type my week preview out quickly.
herO[join]: keeping, no questions asked as he is playing two mediocrish players (jaedong's ZvP is not so good from what I've seen and Zest seems inconsistent) Innovation: On the verge of trading for Cure... -_- -_- -_______- .... .......... I can't decide. Will think tomorrow when not tired. Revival: Hopefully he can have a revival in his play, but I doubt it. May trade for TRUE. Sacsri: Not too shabby. Keeping. SonGDuri: Playing BarrackS (who?) and JYP (uh oh). At a low value. Keeping. ZerO: Well, I sorta have to keep him. Hopefully he is decent against protoss. SKT1: I'm predicting two 4-3s (either way) for them, so I have garunteed points if I'm right. EG-TL is probably losing 4-3 and winning 4-2, but SKT1 has a higher value. Probably keeping.
ANTI TEAM (the bane of templar this round) Effort: He will win both of his matches, but free might lose his only match. Traded for free. JYP: *sigh* Last: Might kill me this week.
The point is, if you expect the two of them to drop in value (I do), next week you might have less good trade options for them. Wooki and Revival are pretty close in value, so if you think Wooki will lose his matches while Revival wins his, now is the time to make that trade. At least that's what I'm thinking and I'm by no means an FPL expert
With my trading luck i've probably done terrible trades again! But i wanted to do something and i felt like my trades made sense for the next to games at least...
I ditched Fantasy and got s2 instead, he seems to have better opponents imo. Also traded Terminator (Sang) away for Jaedong, because i felt the same here.
For my anti team i finally kicked out Jaehoon and got Jangbi instead, because it seemed better to me. Jaehoon plays early in both games while Jangbi has two hard matches and the later one isn't guaranteed to happen.
On February 16 2013 11:16 izmatic wrote: I know this is last minute but im pretty scared stork is gonna screw me on my anti this week. but i cant find a trade i like, any suggestions?
On February 16 2013 11:16 izmatic wrote: I know this is last minute but im pretty scared stork is gonna screw me on my anti this week. but i cant find a trade i like, any suggestions?
stephano!
This! Great minds think a like! It took till this round to finally get Stephano on my anti team.. been trying to since round 1...
On February 16 2013 11:16 izmatic wrote: I know this is last minute but im pretty scared stork is gonna screw me on my anti this week. but i cant find a trade i like, any suggestions?
stephano!
I traded shine for stephano on my anti team It seemed like a good move at the time...
Surprisingly already gained +20 points so far since I kept Wooki and did not get Revival. <3 Let's see how badly Stork and Last will screw me on my anti team. I hope they will lose as usual, though.
Well these last two days really scwered my fpl team up, soo and bisu are the only ones that got me point, and since roro didn't get to play i still get the minus one on my anti, why couldn't one of flash, reality, baby, or dear win...
On February 17 2013 22:59 darksub wrote: action is killing me
such a terrible performance this round, I couldn't have picked anyone worse. -.-
you mean besides revival.
Well I picked Revival and it wasn't a bad pick at all... I just picked him for my Anti team
Seems like I should have picked Flash to my anti team this round though... God why have thou forsaken me???? Also Action WTF man... Atleast Bogus and Flying are doing okay for me T.T
Yeah, but it makes the max rank reached (a.k.a. "Highest Rank", "High" column) a moot stat when updates are done this inconsistently either after two, four, six, or all eight matches a week.
On February 18 2013 08:49 Proseat wrote: Yeah, but it makes the max rank reached (a.k.a. "Highest Rank", "High" column) a moot stat when updates are done this inconsistently either after two, four, six, or all eight matches a week.
It still updates correctly, High is done on a per-day basis regardless of how the results are entered.
All my thought-out trades, crazy ideas, and sleepless nights have amounted to me moving down 20 places on the scoreboard, from #721 to #741. I may have to try harder... edit: wrong number lol
On February 16 2013 19:18 Uquu wrote: KT on my team is killing my FPL.
Ugh, same. Still winning against my group of friends but I'd like to have been in the same spot I was last FPL. Almost feel like not caring and just waiting for next round.
On February 18 2013 08:49 Proseat wrote: Yeah, but it makes the max rank reached (a.k.a. "Highest Rank", "High" column) a moot stat when updates are done this inconsistently either after two, four, six, or all eight matches a week.
It still updates correctly, High is done on a per-day basis regardless of how the results are entered.
Worst weekend of FPL ever my trade decisions screwed me Last winning his game crazy-hydra losing his revival and EGTL getting analed.... and to top it off, herO didn't even get to play his game yesterday cuz CJ 4-0'd KT
My trades were so farsighted that my trade gain went from -7 to +2 in two days. o_o also picking all CJ as I had intended before scrapping the idea looks appealing now...
I finally have a killer main team, and i have a high performing anti team as well: main team:72 Anti team:32 why couldn't i have had my anti team from last season when they barely scored (of course it didn't matter because my main team barely scored as well
On February 19 2013 08:02 DBS wrote: I finally have a killer main team, and i have a high performing anti team as well: main team:72 Anti team:32 why couldn't i have had my anti team from last season when they barely scored (of course it didn't matter because my main team barely scored as well
I think a combination of Stork, Fantasy, Revival or Action was the way to go. But aside from Revival who didn't have a great second round and Stork who played badly despite winning, it is puzzling to see both Action and Fantasy on huge losing streaks.
If you look at the points, taking a player from WJS is a sure way to win 10 points while you'll have to bet on top players from Khan if you want money.
PS : I think I'm going to write more on this in the round recap. This kind of trend is interesting.
On February 19 2013 08:02 DBS wrote: I finally have a killer main team, and i have a high performing anti team as well: main team:72 Anti team:32 why couldn't i have had my anti team from last season when they barely scored (of course it didn't matter because my main team barely scored as well
I think a combination of Stork, Fantasy, Revival or Action was the way to go. But aside from Revival who didn't have a great second round and Stork who played badly despite winning, it is puzzling to see both Action and Fantasy on huge losing streaks.
If you look at the points, taking a player from WJS is a sure way to win 10 points while you'll have to bet on top players from Khan if you want money.
PS : I think I'm going to write more on this in the round recap. This kind of trend is interesting.
Flash + 2 bad KT players is the optimal anti-team of the round thus far, I think.
Terminator keeps on pounding on my anti and now Stork woke up and decided to join in. Ugh. At least T1 has put in a second gear and started to produce again.
Well my FPL is officially dead...special thanks to Mr Flash,Wooki,Stats...don't know wtf is happening to KT 5 match loosing streak and a little bit of me died inside. Oh well at least i'm doing pretty good in Liquibet
On February 20 2013 03:37 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Well my FPL is officially dead...special thanks to Mr Flash,Wooki,Stats...don't know wtf is happening to KT 5 match loosing streak and a little bit of me died inside. Oh well at least i'm doing pretty good in Liquibet
Flash, Action and Wooki are killing me right now, Luckily I have Bogus and Flying to Balance it out and Best KT SKT is doing damn well for me too
I knew I should have traded Action last week.. Now his trade value is garbage.
On February 21 2013 15:56 Random_0 wrote: Has fantasy been updated this week? I have TY(Baby), who beat SKT's Best, but still received a "0" for week 3.
We can't add or remove players in the middle of a round. And since the roster changes for Feburary were done in the middle of the round, we are not able to add hudadak.
There are a lot of good players in the list: obvious choice is maybe Flash, but i have JYP on my team and the are playing against each other, so I dont want to get him.
On February 21 2013 01:56 FlyingDagger wrote: This is my first fantasy proleague team and i'm ranked 30th! if only Baby and Cure did better than 1-3 combined this week
It's my second fantasy proleague and I'm at 160th. Much thanks to my anti-team that wins close to nothing, only Cure has won anything actually. Very pleased with that.
On February 21 2013 01:56 FlyingDagger wrote: This is my first fantasy proleague team and i'm ranked 30th! if only Baby and Cure did better than 1-3 combined this week
So, I can trade either Stork or hyvaa away from my anti. And I shouldn't have traded Stats for Fanta last week, Fanta's worth nothing in trade anymore ;_; At least Stats didn't win either.
On February 21 2013 18:54 Zeon0 wrote: who do you think i should get for Bravo?
There are a lot of good players in the list: obvious choice is maybe Flash, but i have JYP on my team and the are playing against each other, so I dont want to get him.
Flash. Get rid of JYP, he sucks.
On February 21 2013 22:02 Koesader wrote: So, I can trade either Stork or hyvaa away from my anti. And I shouldn't have traded Stats for Fanta last week, Fanta's worth nothing in trade anymore ;_; At least Stats didn't win either.
Trade Stork away, he will win against Cure who is terrible in TvP while Stork is good in PvT.
That moment when you realize that the 3 guys in your anti-team are of higher value than all your main guys but one... And you don't even have a bad anti-team... And you even made positive trades for it...
Meh... thinking of keeping Bravo just because I don't have much confidence in Flash... plus I have JYP.
If Action didn't suddenly decide that he absolutely sucks at this game, my FPL actually wouldn't be half bad considering I started off the first two weeks with a -5 score...
Fuck me lol, I had Cure on my anti and he did well at first, so I panicked and traded to Zero... who has one of the highest trade values now and is doing a log better than Cure overall. Even though I picked EGTL over SKT (-____-) I still would have had an okay team had I not traded for Zero ugh.
On February 27 2013 08:56 docvoc wrote: When I saw that SKT was the lowest, I thought, yup it's a must get :D. Glad I did, though picking S2 for anti was a terrible idea LOL.
You picked a player from your team on your anti...? I too got SKT, very nearly picked EGTL though...
On February 21 2013 16:31 R1CH wrote: Updated, sorry for the wait!
Zest (Wookie) pts is wrong, i think. Must be 3+3+1+2 = 9. Also Crazy must have 3+3+1+2 = 9 and Soulkey 2+4+4+2+2 = 14. Hero must have 1+4+1 = 6. Revival must have 1+1+1 = 3. Hydra must have 3+4+4+4+1 = 16. Roro 8+5+8+1+2 = 24. Ryul2 4+1+3+1 = 9.
There's a bug in the trading gains. 2 weeks ago I traded Effort-->free, which cost one point. Both of them gained the same number of points, so my trade gain was -1. Last week I traded free --> Effort. Free gained 4 more points than Effort, so my trade gain was +3. but now my trade gain for that first trade is -5!? (what it would have been if I had kept free)
All of the heart wrenching stuff I went through, and I go down 3 places in the final week. If I had done the Sacsri --> Rain trade and kept paralyze and songduri I would be singing a different tune.
Mehhh finished at 516 better then I though I would considering Flash only got me 11 points SKT got me decent points for team and my anti was okay with Stephano, Revival and Zenio.
Here's hoping for a good next round! Should be crazy considering who knows who is actually good at HotS!
Best round so far and got third place in the noble No Trade group (hats off to the winner figq). I am however dissatisfied with Fantasy and Stork who both managed to gather fewer points than BeSt. That is simply not good enough. My anti nemesis was Terminator with a ball-punching -19. Well played.
If I had Soulkey or even soO instead of Action, I'd be at #200 instead of #690something. Last round Soulkey earned me only 9 points as my captain and I wanted to do better, that backfired. One measly point from Action when I spent a whopping five points on him. Not a choice worth repeating.
I had my personal best FPL this season - and it was the first one I didn't take too seriously, actually. Other FPLs, I make huge ass stat tables, use linear optimization on various parameters etc etc etc... This time - no; didn't have much time and just picked by instinct, and it worked for me, better than ever before. It was also more fun!
Best season by far, so far, but having an EG-TL captain (<3<3<3 HerO) really fucked me up. Great that Khan´s inside scoop on Reality worked out.
I´m glad that next season is regular format. With HotS introduced, an all-kill format would make FPL nuts. But it´s still gonna be hard to pick... Maybe "clever" players like Innovation, Rain, Argo would be good, but then again, Flash+speed medvacs, lol.
EPT
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KT Rolster vs 
Flash < Caldeum > 
Zenio
Wooki < Cloud Kingdom > 
but you will find the last round scores there
. Anti is really hard again :/.
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sniper, only Rain has a winning record vP and it will be tough for them seeing how they are 11 protoss players among the top 20 players in Round 2. That's also the reason as to why Soulkey is having issues right now.
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