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On January 02 2013 08:13 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 05:18 Cyro wrote: but in SC2, are you kidding me?, Like everybody in GM is playing 24/7, like really trying to make it. Not something ive seen, really. If there are any EU/US pro's that consistently play 50 games or 6-8hrs/day without breaking, id like to know of them, because they are definitely the exception and not the rule Maybe if your zerg/toss. As a terran there is no way you can accomplish anything by playing 6-8 hours/day. Its simply way too mechanically demanding.
Oh come on! You don't have something intelligent to say?
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On January 02 2013 08:13 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 05:18 Cyro wrote: but in SC2, are you kidding me?, Like everybody in GM is playing 24/7, like really trying to make it. Not something ive seen, really. If there are any EU/US pro's that consistently play 50 games or 6-8hrs/day without breaking, id like to know of them, because they are definitely the exception and not the rule Maybe if your zerg/toss. As a terran there is no way you can accomplish anything by playing 6-8 hours/day. Its simply way too mechanically demanding. Kas does it regularly, at least 40 games.
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On January 02 2013 06:24 Grumbels wrote: It's different in Korean culture and the way the teams are set up. I think they more easily submit to the authority of the coach in the team houses there, especially since those coaches often have years of experience in progaming at either coaching or playing. To be honest, I suspect a lot of coaches to not really be helpful. For instance, for the transition to Starcraft 2, what is a Brood War coach going to tell that is useful? I think most players just ladder endlessly, the only thing that coaches do is to set schedules or encourage them to practice bad match-ups.
I seriously don't think that's the case at all. There's certainly more to being a coach, just as there is more to sc2 than just skills and whatnot.
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On January 02 2013 13:26 LuckyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 06:24 Grumbels wrote: It's different in Korean culture and the way the teams are set up. I think they more easily submit to the authority of the coach in the team houses there, especially since those coaches often have years of experience in progaming at either coaching or playing. To be honest, I suspect a lot of coaches to not really be helpful. For instance, for the transition to Starcraft 2, what is a Brood War coach going to tell that is useful? I think most players just ladder endlessly, the only thing that coaches do is to set schedules or encourage them to practice bad match-ups. I seriously don't think that's the case at all. There's certainly more to being a coach, just as there is more to sc2 than just skills and whatnot.
Indeed there is a lot more to it. Managerial roles are different from coaching as well.
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On January 02 2013 08:13 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 05:18 Cyro wrote: but in SC2, are you kidding me?, Like everybody in GM is playing 24/7, like really trying to make it. Not something ive seen, really. If there are any EU/US pro's that consistently play 50 games or 6-8hrs/day without breaking, id like to know of them, because they are definitely the exception and not the rule Maybe if your zerg/toss. As a terran there is no way you can accomplish anything by playing 6-8 hours/day. Its simply way too mechanically demanding.
^.^ Tell that to a BW pro of any race
But yeah, I liked the interview...like ToD on SotG and elsewhere, seems to have a cool personality.
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I didn't like the way the guy asking the questions phrased things, and I also don't like the way he seemed to not be very knowledgeable about the warcraft 3 scene. ToD was one of the best players for a long time and I felt that the interviewer almost discredited his accomplishments by the way he asked questions.
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On January 02 2013 13:50 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 08:13 Hider wrote:On January 02 2013 05:18 Cyro wrote: but in SC2, are you kidding me?, Like everybody in GM is playing 24/7, like really trying to make it. Not something ive seen, really. If there are any EU/US pro's that consistently play 50 games or 6-8hrs/day without breaking, id like to know of them, because they are definitely the exception and not the rule Maybe if your zerg/toss. As a terran there is no way you can accomplish anything by playing 6-8 hours/day. Its simply way too mechanically demanding. ^.^ Tell that to a BW pro of any race But yeah, I liked the interview...like ToD on SotG and elsewhere, seems to have a cool personality.
what?
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On January 02 2013 09:05 MetalPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 08:13 Hider wrote:On January 02 2013 05:18 Cyro wrote: but in SC2, are you kidding me?, Like everybody in GM is playing 24/7, like really trying to make it. Not something ive seen, really. If there are any EU/US pro's that consistently play 50 games or 6-8hrs/day without breaking, id like to know of them, because they are definitely the exception and not the rule Maybe if your zerg/toss. As a terran there is no way you can accomplish anything by playing 6-8 hours/day. Its simply way too mechanically demanding. Oh come on! You don't have something intelligent to say? Oh come on! You don't have something intelligent to say?
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On January 02 2013 09:25 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 08:13 Hider wrote:On January 02 2013 05:18 Cyro wrote: but in SC2, are you kidding me?, Like everybody in GM is playing 24/7, like really trying to make it. Not something ive seen, really. If there are any EU/US pro's that consistently play 50 games or 6-8hrs/day without breaking, id like to know of them, because they are definitely the exception and not the rule Maybe if your zerg/toss. As a terran there is no way you can accomplish anything by playing 6-8 hours/day. Its simply way too mechanically demanding. Kas does it regularly, at least 40 games.
Players like Major and Kas probably practices 2-3 times as much as Stephano, and has much less success. The reason they don't perform better is that they need even more practice. WIth terran you really need such insane mechanics to win. With zerg its more about great decisions. We can clearly see someone like Jaedong who has fantastic mechanics but bad decision making and thus isn't perforing as well as Stephano whos mechanics are worse.
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Hider I think people misunderstood you and thought you were saying that playing 6/8hours a day is too tiring or something lol. And yeah you are right in the sense that terran needs a lot of mechanical practice in order to be successful, but other than Kas and Happy back then I don't think the other terrans (LucifroN and ThOrZaIN) play as much per day.
At least not in ladder, maybe they do in custom games.
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It's a pity ToD has been strugglin' with his motivation and other basic issues for quite a long time as a progamer. I doubt we're going to see him rising to the top player list ever again, and I think the main reason is that he has fully realized that the only thing left for him in the eSports scene is to pursue that mixed position as a caster, coach & personality. His answers in this interview are clear as water in that matter as he's working hard on it right now.
Nice interview and good luck to ToD.
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Great interview, I love hearing his insight on both his career and the WC3 scene. As someone who grew up avidly playing and watching WC3 for many years, I wish more interviews in this vein were conducted with some of the old school guys. If competitive SC2 play doesn't work out for ToD then I can definitely see him easily slotting into a caster's role or into a team environment as a coach. Keep fighting!
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Always yo-fa in my heart ToD <3. Great interview!
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On January 02 2013 08:58 HereBeDragons wrote: I know that deep down, he would probably like to continue playing as long as possible, but I think if he can't produce results, he'd be an extremely good coach actually. He has the mentality to do it.
He actually quit WC3 only to come back to professional gaming for SC2, which was a shock to most people.
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I still believe, ToD winning big on SC2.
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