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On January 04 2013 13:28 doffe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:21 aust77 wrote:On January 03 2013 06:43 doffe wrote:On January 02 2013 09:06 FXOdesRow wrote:On January 02 2013 05:25 Natalya wrote:On January 02 2013 02:20 Northern_iight wrote:On January 02 2013 02:04 Natalya wrote:On January 01 2013 02:28 Archile wrote:fantastic for DesRow.... he's always been a nice guy, but his skills have been somewhat lacking compared to the top foreigners. Hopefully being on a stable team with fantastic practice partners in FXO EU and FXO KR will help him advance  Are you kidding me? When i watched his stream (long ago) he had one of the most detestable personality i had ever had a chance to observe... From calling his opponent a noob and calling himself good when floatin 1,2k minerals on 3 base to nasty talk and what not... everyone can get nasty every now and then but overall he IS a nice guy. Especially when comparing desrow to other progamers that generally don't get the heat but are more popular. I'm a nice guy too, but sometimes I talk shit when I play games. Sounds familiar anyone? I watched a little bit of his stream today and he has slightly changed. Less trashtalk for sure. Still the same arogance. Also, there is a difference between talking shit from time to time for yourself when you are alone and continually talking shit (like continually, like 100% of the time he was streaming) when you wear a mic for all your viewers to see/hear. Back then, he left me with the impression he was playing starcraft so that he could have an opportunity to trasktalk on something/someone. Also made me feel like he enjoyed knowing people were listening to what he was saying. Back then, he was talking shit and was proud of it. He was even talking shit after games he won. Also made me feel like streaming was not about helping people but about letting his epeen grow. I have no idea how you could call that guy a nice guy. You must have missed the part where I often say that I am bad at this game. Everyone is bad, only GSL/OSL winners aren't bad and that's very temporary. I'm just being objective. Of course sometimes there's a little bit of ego but I know that I suck. I let my viewers know as well and no I help people by analyzing my play and letting them ask questions and give suggestions. This is a pretty poor defense. You start by claiming that you infact yourself think that you are "bad" at the game. Then you continue by claiming that most of the players are just that, putting you in the same group as them once again. Claiming that only GSL/OSL winners are not bad is just silly. You are a mediocre player at best. Id say Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, Nerchio, Thorzain etc are certinly to be considered very good players, most of them still struggle with the very top and you certinly are several tiers below that. You still certinly have potential and are better then 99% of the posters on this forum, myself included, but how and why you have gotten a contract with a team eludes me. It definatly does not have anything to do with your current skill. If you deserve it or not, well, thats for someone else to judge. If people are entertained by your stream then fine, thats someway the only thing that really matters. desRow put in over a thousand hours of streaming in 2012, and I've watched him for at least a few dozen of them. Though he has had his fair share of drama in the past, the entirety of the time I have seen him play he has been constructive, humorous and dedicated. The majority of naysayers in this thread so far have painted him to be a self-absorbed, drama-queen failure of a player. In truth he is a GM-level streamer with plenty of room for improvement who has made HUMAN mistakes. You mentioned NaNiwa in your post as someone who is 'several tiers above him', but did he did not probe rush NesTea once and label him an idiot? Hasn't Stephano failed to show up to a number of online tournament matches, and made sexual comments regarding minors? Where's the rage? Top-tier, admirable professionals, you say? I never made a comment about desRows behaviour so I dont know what you are talking about. He tried to defend calling people bad by claiming that he on stream often called himself bad aswell. He then went on saying that everyone but the winners of GSL/OSLs are bad, this is what I commented on. I never claimed that his behaviour in any way is worse then that of the higher tier foreigners and I definatly from watching his stream would agree that he in general is very manner. But honestly, Naniwa isnt bm while streaming either, not from my limited experience. Im not sure why you even brought this upp though, you write as if I had called desRow the badguy and claimed that stephano, naniwa etc are super awsome manner guys. Yes I mentioned Naniwa as being several tiers above desRow, he is, skillwise. desRow honestly isnt close to that of Nani and Stephano. Nani was rank 1 GM on EU last I watched him and he still won almost all games he got. 80ish % or so. desRow has the last few days been playing and losing to rank 15-10s on NA masters. I have hit that same level of players on ladder and im fucking awful. Im not saying im the same skill as desRow but simply being able to hit the same level of players as me, well, its not a good sign :D
This exact type of post is why I hate slumping and playing poorly while streaming. Playing 12hours a day over a period of 20days is something I've never done before. My mental was broken and I was burned out. You judge me on a slump which is extremely frustrating.
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On January 05 2013 05:07 FXOdesRow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 13:28 doffe wrote:On January 04 2013 07:21 aust77 wrote:On January 03 2013 06:43 doffe wrote:On January 02 2013 09:06 FXOdesRow wrote:On January 02 2013 05:25 Natalya wrote:On January 02 2013 02:20 Northern_iight wrote:On January 02 2013 02:04 Natalya wrote:On January 01 2013 02:28 Archile wrote:fantastic for DesRow.... he's always been a nice guy, but his skills have been somewhat lacking compared to the top foreigners. Hopefully being on a stable team with fantastic practice partners in FXO EU and FXO KR will help him advance Are you kidding me? When i watched his stream (long ago) he had one of the most detestable personality i had ever had a chance to observe... From calling his opponent a noob and calling himself good when floatin 1,2k minerals on 3 base to nasty talk and what not... everyone can get nasty every now and then but overall he IS a nice guy. Especially when comparing desrow to other progamers that generally don't get the heat but are more popular. I'm a nice guy too, but sometimes I talk shit when I play games. Sounds familiar anyone? I watched a little bit of his stream today and he has slightly changed. Less trashtalk for sure. Still the same arogance. Also, there is a difference between talking shit from time to time for yourself when you are alone and continually talking shit (like continually, like 100% of the time he was streaming) when you wear a mic for all your viewers to see/hear. Back then, he left me with the impression he was playing starcraft so that he could have an opportunity to trasktalk on something/someone. Also made me feel like he enjoyed knowing people were listening to what he was saying. Back then, he was talking shit and was proud of it. He was even talking shit after games he won. Also made me feel like streaming was not about helping people but about letting his epeen grow. I have no idea how you could call that guy a nice guy. You must have missed the part where I often say that I am bad at this game. Everyone is bad, only GSL/OSL winners aren't bad and that's very temporary. I'm just being objective. Of course sometimes there's a little bit of ego but I know that I suck. I let my viewers know as well and no I help people by analyzing my play and letting them ask questions and give suggestions. This is a pretty poor defense. You start by claiming that you infact yourself think that you are "bad" at the game. Then you continue by claiming that most of the players are just that, putting you in the same group as them once again. Claiming that only GSL/OSL winners are not bad is just silly. You are a mediocre player at best. Id say Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, Nerchio, Thorzain etc are certinly to be considered very good players, most of them still struggle with the very top and you certinly are several tiers below that. You still certinly have potential and are better then 99% of the posters on this forum, myself included, but how and why you have gotten a contract with a team eludes me. It definatly does not have anything to do with your current skill. If you deserve it or not, well, thats for someone else to judge. If people are entertained by your stream then fine, thats someway the only thing that really matters. desRow put in over a thousand hours of streaming in 2012, and I've watched him for at least a few dozen of them. Though he has had his fair share of drama in the past, the entirety of the time I have seen him play he has been constructive, humorous and dedicated. The majority of naysayers in this thread so far have painted him to be a self-absorbed, drama-queen failure of a player. In truth he is a GM-level streamer with plenty of room for improvement who has made HUMAN mistakes. You mentioned NaNiwa in your post as someone who is 'several tiers above him', but did he did not probe rush NesTea once and label him an idiot? Hasn't Stephano failed to show up to a number of online tournament matches, and made sexual comments regarding minors? Where's the rage? Top-tier, admirable professionals, you say? I never made a comment about desRows behaviour so I dont know what you are talking about. He tried to defend calling people bad by claiming that he on stream often called himself bad aswell. He then went on saying that everyone but the winners of GSL/OSLs are bad, this is what I commented on. I never claimed that his behaviour in any way is worse then that of the higher tier foreigners and I definatly from watching his stream would agree that he in general is very manner. But honestly, Naniwa isnt bm while streaming either, not from my limited experience. Im not sure why you even brought this upp though, you write as if I had called desRow the badguy and claimed that stephano, naniwa etc are super awsome manner guys. Yes I mentioned Naniwa as being several tiers above desRow, he is, skillwise. desRow honestly isnt close to that of Nani and Stephano. Nani was rank 1 GM on EU last I watched him and he still won almost all games he got. 80ish % or so. desRow has the last few days been playing and losing to rank 15-10s on NA masters. I have hit that same level of players on ladder and im fucking awful. Im not saying im the same skill as desRow but simply being able to hit the same level of players as me, well, its not a good sign :D This exact type of post is why I hate slumping and playing poorly while streaming. Playing 12hours a day over a period of 20days is something I've never done before. My mental was broken and I was burned out. You judge me on a slump which is extremely frustrating.
Shouldn't be.
Around 100 A.D. Epictetus wrote:
If someone handed over your body to any person who met you, you would be vexed; but that you hand over your mind to any person that comes along, so that, if he reviles you, it is disturbed and troubled–are you not ashamed of that?
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Pro players on slumps get judged all the time.
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Players are going to get judged by people who know nothing. That's just life.
95% of the people who watch/show interest in Starcraft have and never will stream, have viewers, have the stress of team and management. They just make knowledgeless claims off the tidbits they hear here and there on forums and SOTG and try and formulate an image in their mind of what it's like to be a professional video game player and then make dumb posts on TL in topics like this.
Congratulations desRow, I hope FXO helps you accomplish everything you hope to! Go far!
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The best of luck to desRow!
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Congrats to you, Desrow. But let this thread be one lesson to you: Do not defend yourself. You're on FXO.NA and you know how motivated you are. You are successful. Why should you give a shit about anything anyone in this thread says? (Excluding me ofc ;D)
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