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On December 31 2012 05:59 Telenil wrote:
Wasn't Warfield on Valerian's side? How come he is in charge of Dominion forces on Char (according to the HotS previews) if his forces actually fought the Emperor's?
I'm disappointed that the Arcturus/Valerian relationship ends up being "Arcturus shoots Valerian, Valerian joins Raynor". It could have been a lot more interesting if Arcturus had cared for his son, or if Valerian himself had his own plans. Simply having a Valerian that is friendly to Kerrigan and Arcturus as a super bad guy willing to kill his own son feels... underwhelming.
There is also the notion that if the hated Emperor sends half the Dominion fleet to destroy the beloved prince's other half, that means Dominion civil war, but I have a feeling the story will never speak about this again. Arcturus has lost over half his armada around Char and the people are against him since Media Blitz, yet I bet the Dominion will still be stronger than ever in Heart of the Swarm. Anyone cares to wager?
1. I think Warfield was brought out of retirement by Valerian to lead the assault on Char. I don't think he knew that the secret mission, and the reason for Valerian to hire Raynor and Tychus to gather the pieces of the Artifact, was actually to save Sarah Kerrigan. It's probable that he defected back to the Dominion once he realized that the true objective was, or he was simply brought back out of retirement by Arcturus because he was a capable commander, "winning" the battle on Char.
2. Arcturus DID care about his own son, and had groomed him from the time he came to lead the Dominion to be his heir. That's why Valerian was able to bring half of the entire dominion fleet to Char; he is the heir apparent. Valerian contracted Raynor for the mission on Char with the express intent of saving Sarah Kerrigan so that she could fulfill the Xel'naga prophecy and save humanity from being destroyed by the Hybrids and Duran/Narud. It is never explained how Valerian is aware of the prophecy, as they are attacked by Arcturus before he can elaborate, but I suspect his knowledge will be explained in Heart of the Swarm. Mengsk is so intent on seeing Sarah Kerrigan dead that he would sacrifice his own son, the heir to his empire, in order to kill her. In fact, he repeatedly offered Valerian the chance to hand Kerrigan and Raynor over to him before he attempted to shoot down the Bucephalus.
3. I don't think it necessarily means Dominion civil war. If asked, Arcturus can claim that he was simply sending the other half of the fleet to help finish off the Zerg on Char. He even may use the event as propoganda to convince the people of the Dominion that he is in fact trying to save them. The only people who could say differently are the people that are actually on the Battlecruisers in the fleet, but as most of them have probably been resoc'd to obey the Emperor or are dead, it is possible that most of the Dominion will never hear anything about the betrayal or battle between the Dominion Fleet. Certainly there will be enough dead Zerg around Char to give credibility to Arcturus' claims.
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Warfield was only mentioned once, and in passing, just to say that "he was there". He wasn't involved in the story at all. It is assumed that he was still on the surface when everyone else bolted and that's that for him.
Is it not implied that Valerians knowledge of the Xel'Naga is everything that he was told by Narud, and something to do with Jake Ramsay? (Shadow of the Xel'Naga, Christie Goldens other books)
We also see how Kerrigan may/will defeat Mengsk in HotS with a ragtag group of zerg swarms. In the space of a few pages Christie Golden wiped out 75% of the Dominion fleet. At the same time the zerg are literally eating each other. This basically equals them back out to the Protoss who had lost almost everything when Aiur fell. I guess all's fair in the Koprulu Sector now.
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Is the book worth reading? I've never read any of Golden's books, I just know she is the one writing all the Wow novels (which is not a plus imo).
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Really good synopsis op. much appreciated!
Does anyone else think valerians face heel turn is basically inevitable at this point? He's the handsome, suave, perfectly blonde son of one of the chief antagonists who joins the group all too easily, seems to have all the answers, and is basically following in his fathers footsteps of fighting the corrupt status quo (which, we all know how that ended up when the father did it).
I mean, at this point I feel like it would be a real plot twist if valerian DIDNT betray raynor/Kerri. Felt the same way about Tychus in WoL... Not a good sign. Honestly, starcraft 2's plot needs more twists that you don't instantly see coming. I remember liking sc1 / bw's stories a lot, and certain major plot points (Kerrigan becoming infested, for instance) took me completely by surprise. Although, to be fair i was like 13 at the time...
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Except for the fact that Warfield was given dialogue in the Heart of the Swarm trailer, so we know that he's alive and that he's somehow involved with the war.
It is NOT implied that Valerian's knowledge of the Xel'naga or the prophecy was given to him by Narud, though it is unlikely. Narud pretended to be a scientist specializing in Zerg physiology, I don't think he revealed too much of himself, his knowledge, or his plans to Valerian. Why would Valerian harbor Hybrids in the Prometheus space station if that's what he's trying to destroy? Why would Narud inform Valerian about the prophecy, and give him incentive to rescue Kerrigan, when she's the one who is prophesied to destroy the Hybrids?
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Well, great thread. Also highly recommend you read some info on SC Wikia, especially red part.
Flashpoint
The first phase of the war ended with Kerrigan's defeat and de-infestation at Char. Seeking to keep her out of the reach of Arcturus Mengsk, Raynor and Valerian Mengsk fled to Deadman's Rock in the battlecruisers Hyperion and Bucephalus. Both vessels had taken significant damage. On the way there, the rebels decided to take Kerrigan to see Dr. Narud, due to his reputation as a zerg expert, as well as his expertise about the xel'naga artifact.
Dr. Narud appeared at a meeting with the rebels there. When he wanted to begin examining Kerrigan, Raynor told him that Kerrigan was refusing to be examined. They were interrupted when criminals tried to capture them. Dr. Narud pulled a small pistol. During the battle, rebel commander Matt Horner was injured. Dr. Narud helped treat him.
Dr. Narud and the rebels took Kerrigan to Space Station Prometheus, where Narud was situated. Along the way, his repeated attempts to examine Kerrigan and hide information about the space station annoyed the rebels. Valerian Mengsk even told Narud that he wasn't popular in his sickbay or bridge. In addition, Kerrigan believed his psionic resonance was familiar, but didn't recognize Narud, causing her to wonder if he was disguised.
A frustrated Narud ordered a hostile reception for the rebels, but Valerian talked him down. Kerrigan went to the station's sickbay, where her blood was tested but nothing else was done to her. The xel'naga artifact was also brought the station, where Dr. Narud examined it.
Narud assigned repair teams to their ships and invited the pair to dinner, although these teams were really out to sabotage the vessels. In addition, he had Dr. Chantal de Vries "persuade" rebel scientist Egon Stetmann to visit his laboratories, but it simply enabled Narud's men to capture him.
He invited Raynor and Valerian to a dinner meeting, where he questioned Raynor so thoroughly the latter felt annoyed, as if he were being interrogated. The dinner turned into an ambush, as Narud was revealed to be in contact with Arcturus. In the resulting skirmish, Narud cloaked and fled.
The ambush failed in a sense, in that Kerrigan and her protectors were able to escape Mengsk's grasp and rescue Stetmann, even when Narud released a trio of his hybrids against them. Narud took the artifact took the station's loading bay and put it aboard a transport when Raynor, Valerian, Stetmann and Kerrigan arrived there. One of the hybrids was present, along with many of Narud's troops, and during the battle Narud abandoned the station with the artifact. At the last minute, the Raiders dropship Fanfare, newly armed, arrived. It fired on Narud's transport, but he managed to escape.[3]
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Emil_Narud#Flashpoint
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Something to do with Jake Ramsay then. We'll know in the future :3 And the book is okay, although after reading a bunch of the books from all of Blizzards IP's I will still say that the Nova series is the best (all 3 manga's and 2 books are entertaining reads).
there you go.
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1. I think Warfield was brought out of retirement by Valerian to lead the assault on Char. I don't think he knew that the secret mission, and the reason for Valerian to hire Raynor and Tychus to gather the pieces of the Artifact, was actually to save Sarah Kerrigan. It's probable that he defected back to the Dominion once he realized that the true objective was, or he was simply brought back out of retirement by Arcturus because he was a capable commander, "winning" the battle on Char.
2. Arcturus DID care about his own son, and had groomed him from the time he came to lead the Dominion to be his heir. That's why Valerian was able to bring half of the entire dominion fleet to Char; he is the heir apparent. Valerian contracted Raynor for the mission on Char with the express intent of saving Sarah Kerrigan so that she could fulfill the Xel'naga prophecy and save humanity from being destroyed by the Hybrids and Duran/Narud. It is never explained how Valerian is aware of the prophecy, as they are attacked by Arcturus before he can elaborate, but I suspect his knowledge will be explained in Heart of the Swarm. Mengsk is so intent on seeing Sarah Kerrigan dead that he would sacrifice his own son, the heir to his empire, in order to kill her. In fact, he repeatedly offered Valerian the chance to hand Kerrigan and Raynor over to him before he attempted to shoot down the Bucephalus.
3. I don't think it necessarily means Dominion civil war. If asked, Arcturus can claim that he was simply sending the other half of the fleet to help finish off the Zerg on Char. He even may use the event as propoganda to convince the people of the Dominion that he is in fact trying to save them. The only people who could say differently are the people that are actually on the Battlecruisers in the fleet, but as most of them have probably been resoc'd to obey the Emperor or are dead, it is possible that most of the Dominion will never hear anything about the betrayal or battle between the Dominion Fleet. Certainly there will be enough dead Zerg around Char to give credibility to Arcturus' claims. Warfield was brought out of retirement by Arcturus early in the game. Then he follows Valerian's orders over Arcturus', which qualifies as betrayal. I guess he could have switched side again, though the book doesn't seem to talk about that at all.
I'm not talking about warnings or offers to hand them. What I'm saying is that Arcturus had plenty of alternatives: he could have sent a strike team to board the Bucephalus and see what Valerian would do, rather than starting a blood bath. Or he could have tried to talk Valerian's men into changing sides. Opening fire to slaughter thousands of his own men, including his son, means he doesn't really care about them dying - and it's a really stupid way to handle the situation.
The people who could say differently are 1) Valerian himself, 2) soldiers left on the surface of Char who stayed in contact with the fleet, 3) anyone who can make the difference between damages caused by Zerg attacks and Terran weapons, or watches a black box, 4) any survivor of Valerian's fleet, 5) anyone on Mengsk's fleet. We're talking the entire Dominion army being at the same place, what are the odds that the information would not spread?
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On December 31 2012 07:48 Telenil wrote:Show nested quote +1. I think Warfield was brought out of retirement by Valerian to lead the assault on Char. I don't think he knew that the secret mission, and the reason for Valerian to hire Raynor and Tychus to gather the pieces of the Artifact, was actually to save Sarah Kerrigan. It's probable that he defected back to the Dominion once he realized that the true objective was, or he was simply brought back out of retirement by Arcturus because he was a capable commander, "winning" the battle on Char.
2. Arcturus DID care about his own son, and had groomed him from the time he came to lead the Dominion to be his heir. That's why Valerian was able to bring half of the entire dominion fleet to Char; he is the heir apparent. Valerian contracted Raynor for the mission on Char with the express intent of saving Sarah Kerrigan so that she could fulfill the Xel'naga prophecy and save humanity from being destroyed by the Hybrids and Duran/Narud. It is never explained how Valerian is aware of the prophecy, as they are attacked by Arcturus before he can elaborate, but I suspect his knowledge will be explained in Heart of the Swarm. Mengsk is so intent on seeing Sarah Kerrigan dead that he would sacrifice his own son, the heir to his empire, in order to kill her. In fact, he repeatedly offered Valerian the chance to hand Kerrigan and Raynor over to him before he attempted to shoot down the Bucephalus.
3. I don't think it necessarily means Dominion civil war. If asked, Arcturus can claim that he was simply sending the other half of the fleet to help finish off the Zerg on Char. He even may use the event as propoganda to convince the people of the Dominion that he is in fact trying to save them. The only people who could say differently are the people that are actually on the Battlecruisers in the fleet, but as most of them have probably been resoc'd to obey the Emperor or are dead, it is possible that most of the Dominion will never hear anything about the betrayal or battle between the Dominion Fleet. Certainly there will be enough dead Zerg around Char to give credibility to Arcturus' claims. Warfield was brought out of retirement by Mengsk early in the game. Then he follows Valerian's orders over Mengsk, which qualifies as betrayal. I guess he could have switched side again, but the book doesn't seem to talk about that at all. I'm not talking about warnings or offers to hand them. What I'm saying is that Arcturus had plenty of alternatives: he could have sent a strike team to board the Bucephalus and see what Valerian would do, rather than starting a blood bath. Or he could have tried to talk Valerian's men into changing sides. Opening fire to slaughter thousands of his own men, including his son, means he doesn't really care about them dying - and it's a really stupid way to handle the situation. The people who could say differently are 1) Valerian himself, 2) soldiers left on the surface of Char who stayed in contact with the fleet, 3) someone who watches the black box of any ship involved in the firefight, 4) any survivor of Valerian's fleet, 5) anyone on Mengsk's fleet. We're talking the entire Dominion army being at the same place, what are the odds that the information would not spread?
Well, don't forget that we're basically dealing with a totalitarian state here. For all we know mengsk is photoshopping valerian out of the state hologram records and bellowing that he has no son. It doesn't matter what actually went down, as long as there's an official version of events that the facts can be made to seemingly support, state media broadcasts it proudly and questioning the official version publically gets you dragged off by nova and the thought police for some "re education". Also, mengsk's support is likely brittle given his position as a usurper, his son's charisma and apparent authority (rivaling his dad's) ... Not to mention the recent activities of raynor and the Zerg attacks (which valerian had just gone out to stop, making him an hero)... A lack of cold hearted, iron fisted bastardry on his part might have meant defections of parts of his fleet... Maybe the entire thing. That's how it tended to work in a certain real life historical Empire, anyway.
So uh, might be spoilery but
+ Show Spoiler +has any other bw vet noticed what you get when you spell narud backwards?
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On December 31 2012 08:14 Zahir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 07:48 Telenil wrote:1. I think Warfield was brought out of retirement by Valerian to lead the assault on Char. I don't think he knew that the secret mission, and the reason for Valerian to hire Raynor and Tychus to gather the pieces of the Artifact, was actually to save Sarah Kerrigan. It's probable that he defected back to the Dominion once he realized that the true objective was, or he was simply brought back out of retirement by Arcturus because he was a capable commander, "winning" the battle on Char.
2. Arcturus DID care about his own son, and had groomed him from the time he came to lead the Dominion to be his heir. That's why Valerian was able to bring half of the entire dominion fleet to Char; he is the heir apparent. Valerian contracted Raynor for the mission on Char with the express intent of saving Sarah Kerrigan so that she could fulfill the Xel'naga prophecy and save humanity from being destroyed by the Hybrids and Duran/Narud. It is never explained how Valerian is aware of the prophecy, as they are attacked by Arcturus before he can elaborate, but I suspect his knowledge will be explained in Heart of the Swarm. Mengsk is so intent on seeing Sarah Kerrigan dead that he would sacrifice his own son, the heir to his empire, in order to kill her. In fact, he repeatedly offered Valerian the chance to hand Kerrigan and Raynor over to him before he attempted to shoot down the Bucephalus.
3. I don't think it necessarily means Dominion civil war. If asked, Arcturus can claim that he was simply sending the other half of the fleet to help finish off the Zerg on Char. He even may use the event as propoganda to convince the people of the Dominion that he is in fact trying to save them. The only people who could say differently are the people that are actually on the Battlecruisers in the fleet, but as most of them have probably been resoc'd to obey the Emperor or are dead, it is possible that most of the Dominion will never hear anything about the betrayal or battle between the Dominion Fleet. Certainly there will be enough dead Zerg around Char to give credibility to Arcturus' claims. Warfield was brought out of retirement by Mengsk early in the game. Then he follows Valerian's orders over Mengsk, which qualifies as betrayal. I guess he could have switched side again, but the book doesn't seem to talk about that at all. I'm not talking about warnings or offers to hand them. What I'm saying is that Arcturus had plenty of alternatives: he could have sent a strike team to board the Bucephalus and see what Valerian would do, rather than starting a blood bath. Or he could have tried to talk Valerian's men into changing sides. Opening fire to slaughter thousands of his own men, including his son, means he doesn't really care about them dying - and it's a really stupid way to handle the situation. The people who could say differently are 1) Valerian himself, 2) soldiers left on the surface of Char who stayed in contact with the fleet, 3) someone who watches the black box of any ship involved in the firefight, 4) any survivor of Valerian's fleet, 5) anyone on Mengsk's fleet. We're talking the entire Dominion army being at the same place, what are the odds that the information would not spread? Well, don't forget that we're basically dealing with a totalitarian state here. For all we know mengsk is photoshopping valerian out of the state hologram records and bellowing that he has no son. It doesn't matter what actually went down, as long as there's an official version of events that the facts can be made to seemingly support, state media broadcasts it proudly and questioning the official version publically gets you dragged off by nova and the thought police for some "re education". Also, mengsk's support is likely brittle given his position as a usurper, his son's charisma and apparent authority (rivaling his dad's) ... Not to mention the recent activities of raynor and the Zerg attacks (which valerian had just gone out to stop, making him an hero)... A lack of cold hearted, iron fisted bastardry on his part might have meant defections of parts of his fleet... Maybe the entire thing. That's how it tended to work in a certain real life historical Empire, anyway. So uh, might be spoilery but + Show Spoiler +has any other bw vet noticed what you get when you spell narud backwards?
LucifroN and VortiX are behind this! The true evil has been discovered!
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It wouldn't make sense for Warfield to take Mengsk's side. In the Char section, he said he how didn't know how Raynor and Tychus were good guys to work with (he said Mengsk labeled them as terrorist and criminals while instead, they were fighting side by side along with his Warfield and his army).
I mean, at this point I feel like it would be a real plot twist if valerian DIDNT betray raynor/Kerri.
Yeah. Starcraft so far has been people just backstabbing each other left and right. It'd be more fun and interesting if that didn't happen for once -.-.
In SC1, you had Mengsk, then Duran (he introduced himself as an ally to the UED at first), Kerrigan to Raynor and others when they were against the UED, she said she just wants the UED (and their baby Overmind) defeated and she won't try to take over the universe after that (of course she goes back on her word about that and just goes after everyone once they destroyed the baby Overmind). And now in SC2, we have Narud but fortunately, just Narud.
(Yep, remember the UED was gosu enough to control the baby overmind. They needed Zeratul, Mengsk, Raynor, and Artanis and all their armies to defeat the UED.)
Tychus case is kind of weird, especially with what his VA said about him - Tychus had no choice. His VA's interpretation was that Tychus intentionally hesitated and instead of pulling the trigger right away, gave Raynor enough chance to shoot him instead... His VA said that Tychus didn't care about Infested Kerrigan, the murderer, but Kerrigan as sort of an innocent person and as someone that was betrayed by Mengsk... are they really separate or the same person? So Tychus hesitated (he wasn't sure anymore when he saw Kerrigan deinfested), and if he had to be taken out by either Mengsk or Raynor, he wanted Raynor.
So, I don't really count Tychus as someone that backstabbed at all (he was hiding something sure, but he didn't go after Raynor, he tried to go after Kerrigan).
I forgot if Raynor told Tychus or not (he told Matt), but he said they needed Kerrigan (specifically someone that can control the Zerg, as an ally) against the Hybrids.
I think the big question with Narud is he's helping Mengsk or is he doing his own agenda (assuming he's related to Duran in SC1). Everyone teaming with or against (and nothing in between) Mengsk and just creating this 1v1 situation makes things boring.
I liked it when the UED was there too (the UED, at least its government and whoever is making the choices, aren't really "good guys" but at least the guys you seen in BW were good: both Stukov and DuGall seemed reasonable and didn't seem to bad guys at all). I liked that you had to fight Raynor, Zeratul, Kerrigan, Mengsk as the UED (it added a fun FFA and less black and white element to the story).
Stukov did get revived (I know some people thought it was lame he got revived but I'm fine with not killing off characters in SC if it means we have less and less characters to work with. Again, boiling it down to Raynor, Kerrigan, Zeratul, and Mengsk is kind of boring >.>).
Speaking of that, I miss Aldaris too. (Yet another somewhat cool guy that got killed off.)
Yeah, he was kind of jerk to Tassadar and everyone at first but he became reasonable in the end (though he later made a really silly decision with right out randomly fighting Zeratul and Allies instead of just telling Zeratul that Kerrigan was using them all this time >.>).
Though their death had meaning and they will be remembered as the cool guys of SC1BW.
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I wonder what are the chances of Earth sending another UED mission for LotV. They supposedly got no information after the initial triumph and had no idea that Dugall's forces are basically wiped out after worth.
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Where did Kerrigan come in contact with Narud actually? I mean, yeah, she came in contact with Duran. But is it the same person? I don't think so. Not physically at least. So from where should she know him?
Did they came in contact in WoL (I honestly can't remember, it's been such a long time..)
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ohh, it's an arrow in the title, I came here expecting an argument about why WoL is better than HotS and why HotS is going in the wrong direction or something related to gameplay/balance etc. not having heard of flashpoint or christie golden.
Surely they'll be some cutscenes to show the important bits. I wonder if they'll give raynor more cheesy lines XD
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On December 31 2012 17:32 Grendel wrote:
Where did Kerrigan come in contact with Narud actually? I mean, yeah, she came in contact with Duran. But is it the same person? I don't think so. Not physically at least. So from where should she know him?
Did they came in contact in WoL (I honestly can't remember, it's been such a long time..)
Chris Metzen basically confirmed that Narud is Duran.
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On December 31 2012 08:14 Zahir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 07:48 Telenil wrote:1. I think Warfield was brought out of retirement by Valerian to lead the assault on Char. I don't think he knew that the secret mission, and the reason for Valerian to hire Raynor and Tychus to gather the pieces of the Artifact, was actually to save Sarah Kerrigan. It's probable that he defected back to the Dominion once he realized that the true objective was, or he was simply brought back out of retirement by Arcturus because he was a capable commander, "winning" the battle on Char.
2. Arcturus DID care about his own son, and had groomed him from the time he came to lead the Dominion to be his heir. That's why Valerian was able to bring half of the entire dominion fleet to Char; he is the heir apparent. Valerian contracted Raynor for the mission on Char with the express intent of saving Sarah Kerrigan so that she could fulfill the Xel'naga prophecy and save humanity from being destroyed by the Hybrids and Duran/Narud. It is never explained how Valerian is aware of the prophecy, as they are attacked by Arcturus before he can elaborate, but I suspect his knowledge will be explained in Heart of the Swarm. Mengsk is so intent on seeing Sarah Kerrigan dead that he would sacrifice his own son, the heir to his empire, in order to kill her. In fact, he repeatedly offered Valerian the chance to hand Kerrigan and Raynor over to him before he attempted to shoot down the Bucephalus.
3. I don't think it necessarily means Dominion civil war. If asked, Arcturus can claim that he was simply sending the other half of the fleet to help finish off the Zerg on Char. He even may use the event as propoganda to convince the people of the Dominion that he is in fact trying to save them. The only people who could say differently are the people that are actually on the Battlecruisers in the fleet, but as most of them have probably been resoc'd to obey the Emperor or are dead, it is possible that most of the Dominion will never hear anything about the betrayal or battle between the Dominion Fleet. Certainly there will be enough dead Zerg around Char to give credibility to Arcturus' claims. Warfield was brought out of retirement by Mengsk early in the game. Then he follows Valerian's orders over Mengsk, which qualifies as betrayal. I guess he could have switched side again, but the book doesn't seem to talk about that at all. I'm not talking about warnings or offers to hand them. What I'm saying is that Arcturus had plenty of alternatives: he could have sent a strike team to board the Bucephalus and see what Valerian would do, rather than starting a blood bath. Or he could have tried to talk Valerian's men into changing sides. Opening fire to slaughter thousands of his own men, including his son, means he doesn't really care about them dying - and it's a really stupid way to handle the situation. The people who could say differently are 1) Valerian himself, 2) soldiers left on the surface of Char who stayed in contact with the fleet, 3) someone who watches the black box of any ship involved in the firefight, 4) any survivor of Valerian's fleet, 5) anyone on Mengsk's fleet. We're talking the entire Dominion army being at the same place, what are the odds that the information would not spread? Well, don't forget that we're basically dealing with a totalitarian state here. For all we know mengsk is photoshopping valerian out of the state hologram records and bellowing that he has no son. It doesn't matter what actually went down, as long as there's an official version of events that the facts can be made to seemingly support, state media broadcasts it proudly and questioning the official version publically gets you dragged off by nova and the thought police for some "re education". Also, mengsk's support is likely brittle given his position as a usurper, his son's charisma and apparent authority (rivaling his dad's) ... Not to mention the recent activities of raynor and the Zerg attacks (which valerian had just gone out to stop, making him an hero)... A lack of cold hearted, iron fisted bastardry on his part might have meant defections of parts of his fleet... Maybe the entire thing. That's how it tended to work in a certain real life historical Empire, anyway. Did the Dominion give you the feeling he controled the media in WoL? In any case, Raynor and Horner state that UNN has turned against Mengsk after Media Blitz.
If your rule is contested, you want your soldiers on your side because they are your ultimate way to stay in power. In a realistic situation, shooting your own troops means all units you've attacked will defect and support the rebels, so will soldiers that care more about their comrades than about you. Anyone who wants to overthrow you will also seize the opportunity. The only reason totalitarian states could get away with what they did is because they had a tight control over the military and that there was no inside opposition at all.
Mengsk had neurosocialised soldiers all right, but he didn't brainwash the entire population.
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On December 31 2012 18:45 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2012 17:32 Grendel wrote:
Where did Kerrigan come in contact with Narud actually? I mean, yeah, she came in contact with Duran. But is it the same person? I don't think so. Not physically at least. So from where should she know him?
Did they came in contact in WoL (I honestly can't remember, it's been such a long time..) Chris Metzen basically confirmed that Narud is Duran.
But they aren't the same. Not physically. Yeah, they are the same person. But they have completely different physical appearances. So how is it a plothole that kerrigan can't remember someone who isn't the same?
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Based on the numbers given in the book I would estimate that Mengsk's decision to fire on Valerian resulted in between 100,000 (lowest number) and 250,000 (highest number) casualties in fleet losses.
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On December 31 2012 21:24 Telenil wrote:
Did the Dominion give you the feeling he controled the media in WoL? In any case, Raynor and Horner state that UNN has turned against Mengsk after Media Blitz.[...]
Mengsk isn't afraid to take care of such matters the hard way. There's even a cutscene in WoL where you can see some marines raiding the UNN studios. I don't think the UNN will be a real problem for Mengsk and his propaganda.
On December 31 2012 22:02 Grendel wrote:
But they aren't the same. Not physically. Yeah, they are the same person. But they have completely different physical appearances. So how is it a plothole that kerrigan can't remember someone who isn't the same?
Well, in WoL Kerrigan clearly knows who Dr. Narud is, as she "can see through his petty charade". I wouldn't count this as plothole though, since we don't know exactly how much she really remembers.
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