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LzGaMeRDecember 26 rating list: now tweaked - Page 4
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
2415 HerO2278 TaeJa1993 TLO1790 Zenio1432 Sheth1135 Ret932 NonY (not ranked)EG Ranking 2217 Jaedong2111 Stephano1889 Revival1783 PuMa1760 IdrA1744 DeMusliM1742 HuK1734 JYP1705 Suppy1559 ThorZaIN951 iNcontroL898 Machine629 LzGaMeR | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On December 27 2012 22:37 FinestHour wrote: just because someone is not a welcome person on the site does not take away from his accomplishments, look at it from a objective point of view which is why his liquipedia page was taken down, right? :\ I don't expect him being able to just jump right on back into the progaming scene due to his history, but with the effort he's shown, he should at least be given a chance. Scarlett plays him often on her stream, and he puts up a good fight, and even wins most of them(or at least, of the 4 matches that I've seen). Also I think we should support anyone who isn't playing zerg these days  | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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sc2superfan101
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Kas was at the top of all the foreigner rankings. | ||
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Entirety
1423 Posts
The reason why is because these weekend tournaments have tons of games against highly ranked tournaments, and I don't necessarily believe that this should be valued more highly than a league-format (GSL). Also, weekend tournaments are way more violate than longer leagues such as GSL because of the lack of preparation. GSL is more prestigious than any other tournament right now (arguably), and it's not because of the prize pool (MLG, IPL, DreamHack, WCS, NASL, these tournaments have comparable prize pools). GSL is prestigious because it's filled with the absolute best players in the world and it allows you to prepare for your next opponent, so you cannot be randomly knocked out simply because you are too tired to play. Prestige is actually an important factor to consider because players will take it more seriously. For example, 4-time GSL champion Mvp will be playing to his peak in the GSL Finals. However, in an IPTL match against FXO, will he really be trying as hard? The answer is clearly no, Mvp (and LG-IM) would rather conserve his wrists. Is there an unbiased way to accommodate prestige into the rankings? No, but it's something to think about. Leenock beating Mvp in some online team league will be valued at a certain level. Leenock beating Mvp in a Bo3 in some online tournament will be valued higher. Leenock beating Mvp in a Bo3 series in the GSL group stages will mean something more. Leenock beating Mvp in GSL, 3-2, the day after they both flew in from NA is meaningful. Leenock beating Mvp 4-3 in the GSL finals after 2 weeks of preparation means far more. | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On December 28 2012 09:37 Iodem wrote: which is why his liquipedia page was taken down, right? :\ I don't expect him being able to just jump right on back into the progaming scene due to his history, but with the effort he's shown, he should at least be given a chance. Scarlett plays him often on her stream, and he puts up a good fight, and even wins most of them(or at least, of the 4 matches that I've seen). Also I think we should support anyone who isn't playing zerg these days His liquipedia page has nothing to do with his accomplishments, since anyone from the TL staff, who hates him, can delete it, doesn't matter how many tournaments he wins. He can go to progaming if he wants to. All he needs to do is work hard. Just because he can't post on this site, it doesn't make him less skilled. | ||
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Iodem
United States1173 Posts
On December 28 2012 10:37 Hoon wrote: His liquipedia page has nothing to do with his accomplishments, since anyone from the TL staff, who hates him, can delete it, doesn't matter how many tournaments he wins. He can go to progaming if he wants to. All he needs to do is work hard. Just because he can't post on this site, it doesn't make him less skilled. His main disadvantage is his stream isn't featured on TL, which would hurt his teamless income from ads. Of course, you could just try to get him upvoted on Reddit. | ||
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Zoku
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 27 2012 22:32 edlover420 wrote: May i inquire on what grounds is combatex ranked 7th, when in fact he can't win versus anyone decent, he never did won versus anyone decent and he has no tournament results whatsoever? Also where is Taeja QQ He took a game off Parting. Did you take a game off Parting? | ||
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MarkCJ
Canada239 Posts
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On December 28 2012 10:40 Iodem wrote: His main disadvantage is his stream isn't featured on TL, which would hurt his teamless income from ads. Of course, you could just try to get him upvoted on Reddit. You don't become a progamer by getting twitch ads. You do it by winning games. There are so many good players out there that win tournaments but don't stream. And I don't think team owners are childish enough to not sign him because of his "past". | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
EZ Read Pro Read The more games we have of anyone on record, the more certain we are of their level/rating. That is how statistics work. We are updating the site with as many games as possible from as many tournaments as possible, on that note, if you are running a minor/not so public tournament but want us to include the games played, plz feel free to msg me with the results as well as the dates the games were played and I will add them. Please not very old tournaments since it gets really hard to see if those are already added due to the buttload of loads from other sites which aren't properly named. The more games are played, the more results are gathered, the better/more accurate the ranking gets. Simple as that. Also to the people hating on CombatEX's ranking, he is ranked high, because even though everyone thinks he's satan, he beat some pretty good players, and there were no games of him in the database, meaning that we currently have the simple assumption that he is pretty fucking good. (And no he is not discriminated because of his history, this is statistics not politics) Now 3 things will either happen, 1: He will continue to play in tournaments and beat good players and thus rise to the level of SC2 god. 2: He will continue to play in tournaments and lose to good players and thus fall in ranking. 3: We will see no games from him in 4 weeks and he will automatically be removed from the list. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On December 28 2012 10:42 MarkCJ wrote: Do thé points decay? No, but two things happen. First, the certainty decays, which means ratings will change quicker when an inactive player returns to the scene. Second, a player with no games for two months is removed from the list. His entry and rating remains, but it's just not listed. On December 28 2012 10:26 Entirety wrote: + Show Spoiler + One of the problems I see with this ranking is that it values weekend tournaments such as MLG too highly. The reason why is because these weekend tournaments have tons of games against highly ranked tournaments, and I don't necessarily believe that this should be valued more highly than a league-format (GSL). Also, weekend tournaments are way more violate than longer leagues such as GSL because of the lack of preparation. GSL is more prestigious than any other tournament right now (arguably), and it's not because of the prize pool (MLG, IPL, DreamHack, WCS, NASL, these tournaments have comparable prize pools). GSL is prestigious because it's filled with the absolute best players in the world and it allows you to prepare for your next opponent, so you cannot be randomly knocked out simply because you are too tired to play. Prestige is actually an important factor to consider because players will take it more seriously. For example, 4-time GSL champion Mvp will be playing to his peak in the GSL Finals. However, in an IPTL match against FXO, will he really be trying as hard? The answer is clearly no, Mvp (and LG-IM) would rather conserve his wrists. Is there an unbiased way to accommodate prestige into the rankings? No, but it's something to think about. Leenock beating Mvp in some online team league will be valued at a certain level. Leenock beating Mvp in a Bo3 in some online tournament will be valued higher. Leenock beating Mvp in a Bo3 series in the GSL group stages will mean something more. Leenock beating Mvp in GSL, 3-2, the day after they both flew in from NA is meaningful. Leenock beating Mvp 4-3 in the GSL finals after 2 weeks of preparation means far more. Yeah, I have thought about it, and I have three reasons not to bother about it, really. (a) I can't think of a way to reliably measure prestige. (b) Some of the information you suggest is totally impractical to collect at this stage (and for the foreseeable future). I'm not about to start collecting information about people's travel habits. (And I realise you aren't seriously suggesting this, but still.) (c) In my personal opinion, if Mvp can only be bothered to really try half the time, then maybe he doesn't deserve a high rating. Oh, I really want to do teams. Puts on to-do list. On December 28 2012 08:13 krutopatkin wrote: how can a guy with a 2-7 record be on spot 19 :> He is 9-8. If you wonder why he is on spot 19 (among foreigners, I might add), the information is there for everyone to see. No need to look it up in TLPD when I have the data that I use right on the damn site. Here: http://aligulac.com/players/415/period/64/ Then here: http://aligulac.com/players/415/period/70/ Then here: http://aligulac.com/players/415/period/73/ On December 28 2012 07:40 SlixSC wrote: how is protoss the lagging race and not terran? there are less terrans lol http://aligulac.com/periods/74/ There are six Terrans before the third Protoss. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 28 2012 09:37 Iodem wrote: which is why his liquipedia page was taken down, right? :\ I don't expect him being able to just jump right on back into the progaming scene due to his history, but with the effort he's shown, he should at least be given a chance. Scarlett plays him often on her stream, and he puts up a good fight, and even wins most of them(or at least, of the 4 matches that I've seen). Also I think we should support anyone who isn't playing zerg these days We've given him his Liquipedia page back. | ||
Poopi
France12908 Posts
On December 28 2012 10:42 GolemMadness wrote: He took a game off Parting. Did you take a game off Parting? Another proof that PvP is random. This list is even funnier than ELO, too many flaws to be meaningful. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3813 Posts
On December 28 2012 22:31 Poopi wrote: Another proof that PvP is random. This list is even funnier than ELO, too many flaws to be meaningful. The flaw lies not in the statistics, it lies in your interpretation of it. | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 28 2012 23:08 Salient wrote: You have players like Gumiho, Flash, and Nobelesse (who have won nothing in SC2) ranked ahead of 4 time GSL champion Mvp. Something doesn't seem right. It's probably current skills then overall I bet. | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
On December 28 2012 23:10 Gladiator333 wrote: It's probably current skills then overall I bet. Nobelesse and Flash would not beat Mvp. The rankings are worthless. | ||
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