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After an abbreviated initial week, the Proleague marathon is in full swing, and it's time for an update on racial results overall. Map stats are going to wait at least another week, although there are a few things I'll mention in passing. Without further ado, I'll move on to the summary.
For Reference: Week 1
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AV0pX.png) Overall Lineup Distribution
Lineups (72 games): 51 Protoss, 45 Terran, 48 Zerg
This Week (48 games): 35 Protoss, 30 Terran, 31 Zerg
Games Played (68 games): 45 Protoss, 42 Terran, 49 Zerg
This Week (45 games): 28 Protoss, 29 Terran, 33 Zerg
Commentary: While the overall lineups are slightly weighted towards Protoss so far, the story of the week is Zergs coming out for ace matches. Tal'Darim Altar was the map for 2 of the 4 aces played, but we also got  RorO on Ohana. Antiga Shipyard sees about half Zerg (but only one mirror); Arkanoid is overwhelmingly Terran; Caldeum and Cloud Kingdom Protoss; Tal'Darim Altar Zerg. Bifrost has seen the best distribution; Ohana and Planet S are okay but haven't seen many Zergs.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UbTRU.png) Games Played
Lineups:
Mirrors Non-Mirrors
Overall This Week Overall This Week
12 PvP 9 PvP 10 PvT 9 PvT
9 TvT 5 TvT 17 TvZ 11 TvZ
7 ZvZ 6 ZvZ 17 ZvP 8 ZvP
Games Played:
Mirrors Non-Mirrors
Overall This Week Overall This Week
11 PvP 7 PvP 9 PvT 8 PvT
7 TvT 4 TvT 19 TvZ 13 TvZ
8 ZvZ 7 ZvZ 14 ZvP 6 ZvP
Commentary: Reality has set in, as witnessed by the steadily climbing number of mirror matches. We're currently at 26 mirrors to only 42 non-mirrors played, and even that is inflated by the high number of TvZs this week - not actually that high, but much higher than the other matchups. As hinted at in the first section, the trends emerging so far are that maps seem either good for Terran and Zerg, or good for Protoss. (Tal'Darim and Arkanoid are very heavy on Zergs and Terrans respectively, but have seen a few of the other - and virtually no Protoss). Result: PvP is the 3rd most common matchup at this point.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O3SQu.png) Protoss 24; Terran 21; Zerg 18
Non-Mirror Results
Overall This Week
PvT (9 games): 5-4 5-3
TvZ (19 games): 10-9 5-8
ZvP (14 games): 6-8 3-3
Commentary: Inflated by the number of Protoss mirrors as it is, Protoss also holds the only winning record across non-mirrors, giving the sons of Aiur the lead in the early going here. Terran breaks even; Zerg is back a couple games.
Wrap
And that's this week's installment of the balance report. On the agenda for next week (now that we're into the regular schedule): week-to-week tracking (and prettier graphs? lolno).
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I still continue to believe zerg is OP
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On December 19 2012 01:38 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
I still continue to believe zerg is OP
Faith in the face of evidence is the sign of a true and devoted believer. Amen.
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this just goes to show that maps are really important balance wise. Protoss players dont play on TDA for example, because the map favors zerg.) I think maps need to be made to accomodate each and every race so we wont get this overload on mirrors.
However with the current state of sc2 I don't think it can be done.
(safe thirds are a must for protoss players, except for 2 base plays, while zerg don't need such secure thirds. just compare dual sight with ohana or cloud kingdom for reference.
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On December 19 2012 02:04 Garfailed wrote:
this just goes to show that maps are really important balance wise. Protoss players dont play on TDA for example, because the map favors zerg.) I think maps need to be made to accomodate each and every race so we wont get this overload on mirrors.
However with the current state of sc2 I don't think it can be done.
(safe thirds are a must for protoss players, except for 2 base plays, while zerg don't need such secure thirds. just compare dual sight with ohana or cloud kingdom for reference.
That's how proleague works.
They throw out maps (not meant in a derogatory way), and sometimes the maps aren't perfectly balanced.
This leads teams to always put the strongest race on the map, leading to many mirrors (unless they decide on a race based sniper strat against the strong race).
Then those mirror matchups get ridiculous and they drop the map because it offers no variety in what is seen.
While there may be maps which are somewhat imbalanced from appearances, teams have not necessarily had time to develop strats for those maps, and if they do end up being mirror focused, they will be replaced by other maps.
I like the fact proleague stuck seemingly ridiculous maps like Arkanoid in their, because they have the failsafe of teams being able to play f. example terran every time if they really can't find a way to beat terran, but there's also the chance that they might throw out other races and be able to compete, and then map makers might think "wait, this map LOOKS like it should be ridiculously unbalanced, but actually it's not that bad... maybe we can work with this and make new maps that aren't always the same easy third open map macro game type".
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On December 19 2012 02:04 Garfailed wrote:
this just goes to show that maps are really important balance wise. Protoss players dont play on TDA for example, because the map favors zerg.) I think maps need to be made to accomodate each and every race so we wont get this overload on mirrors.
However with the current state of sc2 I don't think it can be done.
(safe thirds are a must for protoss players, except for 2 base plays, while zerg don't need such secure thirds. just compare dual sight with ohana or cloud kingdom for reference.
This is more the proleague system at work then anything else.
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On December 19 2012 01:38 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
I still continue to believe zerg is OP
User was temp banned for this post.
Am I and how2TL the only ones who read this as sarcasm? :o
The increase in mirror matches is nothing surprising, imo. One nice thing about proleague are the new exotic maps and even if they turn out incredibly balanced in the long run, there will always be times where the trend of the metagame greatly favors one race over the other on a specific map. I, for one, really enjoy those new maps. :D
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Somewhat surprised at the Zerg win percentage, but it has felt like the Zergs in proleague have been a bit off at times.
I'm just happy to see the fairly even race distribution for wins, and the lack of many ZvZs. And I love the crazy maps they're putting in, even if they're blatantly imbalanced, they're fun to watch and teams can always put out the race most suited for it anyway.
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On December 19 2012 01:47 how2TL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 01:38 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
I still continue to believe zerg is OP Faith in the face of evidence is the sign of a true and devoted believer. Amen.
lol "face of evidence" u call 24 wins for protoss, 21 for terran and 18 for zerg?
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On December 19 2012 02:25 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 01:38 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
I still continue to believe zerg is OP
User was temp banned for this post. Am I and how2TL the only ones who read this as sarcasm? :o
Sarcasm is very hard in text format, even more when its about certain topics.
People would spout balance whining and defend it "it's just sarcasm"
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On December 19 2012 02:56 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 02:25 JustPassingBy wrote:On December 19 2012 01:38 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
I still continue to believe zerg is OP
User was temp banned for this post. Am I and how2TL the only ones who read this as sarcasm? :o Sarcasm is very hard in text format, even more when its about certain topics. People would spout balance whining and defend it "it's just sarcasm"
Also it's irrelevant, stupid sarcasm is a bad post, as is saying that sort of thing in all seriousness. And letting it go encourages that sort of bad posting, so you get banned for it. Simple.
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Thank you for these stats
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thanks for doing this! these are great..pretty amazing how balanced the statistics were
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Really Its is the maps thats really messing with the balance cool
BRING BACK MORE BW MAPS!
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On December 19 2012 02:57 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 02:56 Assirra wrote:On December 19 2012 02:25 JustPassingBy wrote:On December 19 2012 01:38 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
I still continue to believe zerg is OP
User was temp banned for this post. Am I and how2TL the only ones who read this as sarcasm? :o Sarcasm is very hard in text format, even more when its about certain topics. People would spout balance whining and defend it "it's just sarcasm" Also it's irrelevant, stupid sarcasm is a bad post, as is saying that sort of thing in all seriousness. And letting it go encourages that sort of bad posting, so you get banned for it. Simple.
Exactly. I'm sure most people see the sarcasm in it, but it's not a useful post at all.
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