On December 07 2012 17:17 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Update: KeSPA source confirms there WILL be English commentary for opening day matches. No word on specific casters.
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The association and IEG are urgently putting together the resources for an English broadcast, and are doing their best to not only reach a satisfactory agreement with OnGameNet, but also ensure and unhindered broadcast.
Combining that with Doa saying he'll cast opening day matches, can I conclude we only get English for the opening day matches from Doa, then nothing until they get their production ready and find casters willing to work for them?
Am I on the right page here? They're certainly trying to spin this and present it like less of a clusterfuck than it truly is. OGN was ready to go, I guess the idea was to pressure OGN into stricter terms and conditions? I feel like kespa was using us as some kind of leverage.. I don't know, it's hard to tell what's what.
This whole things reads way too much like Doa speaking the truth (albeit a bit unprofessionally/prematurely) and KeSPA trying sweep up a hectic PR-nightmare as a result.
DoA says he was misinformed, but if he was, it wasn't about any of the major details of this scenario:
Clearly KeSPA/IEG WAS trying to put together an English production, separate from OGN's English cast. This is confirmed by Kaelaris pointing out that he was approached for the job, as well as by the fact that their infrastructure to do so already seems set up if Doa & Montecristo are now going to jump in and guest-cast for them while things get sorted out with OGN.
Clearly negotiations between OGN and KeSPA/IEG regarding English language casters WERE ongoing up until the last minute and WERE breaking down / going south. KeSPA doesn't deny this in their statement, instead only rephrasing it as "minor differences" that will delay negotiations.
OGN is NOT putting on an English language cast for the opening day of Proleague. This was the main point that Doa put across in his original statement, and it remains undisputed by all parties involved.
Regardless it seems that in the end, the result is the same, at least for the spectators. We all get to watch opening day with an English cast by Doa and Montecristo.
But the facts behind what caused all this drama still remain. What are KeSPA's intentions with this separate IEG-backed English cast, are they really trying to squeeze OGN out of English production for Proleague altogether? If not, how is it going to work?
I hope Doa is not punished too harshly for this (if at all), because he certainly doesn't deserve it.
On December 07 2012 19:11 THF wrote: So let me get this straight. DoA is supposed to cast the English PL, based on an agreement between OGN (DoA's employer) and KeSPA (PL owner). He has been preparing for the cast for a long time.
Two days before the PL starts, negotiations between OGN and KeSPA break down, as KeSPA wanted to have their own additional caster, and wanted to produce the English broadcast through their proxy company, IEG.
As a result, OGN decides to walk away from the altered deal. DoA makes a post about how there will be no OGN-run English broadcast. This causes a community uproar, especially as a lot of people mistook it for "there will be no English broadcast" instead of "no OGN-run English broadcast".
KeSPA then throws a fit, slanders DoA, and pretty much confirms everything above - that OGN is not doing the English broadcast, and only gonna provide the video feed, that there are ongoing conflicts between KeSPA/OGN/IEG.
Finally, KeSPA later confirms there will be English cast, done by who-knows-who, using the OGN produced video. All this happening within 48 hours before the actual event.
Kespa reeks of bullshit. It is a literal hell to negotiate with such delusional power-grubbers. Though I suppose they are simply trying to protect the empire they have established.
So to summerize the final point we will be watching the same casters and the same games at the same time we thought we would 24 hours ago before all this drama happened.
On December 07 2012 19:11 THF wrote: So let me get this straight. DoA is supposed to cast the English PL, based on an agreement between OGN (DoA's employer) and KeSPA (PL owner). He has been preparing for the cast for a long time.
Two days before the PL starts, negotiations between OGN and KeSPA break down, as KeSPA wanted to have their own additional caster, and wanted to produce the English broadcast through their proxy company, IEG.
As a result, OGN decides to walk away from the altered deal. DoA makes a post about how there will be no OGN-run English broadcast. This causes a community uproar, especially as a lot of people mistook it for "there will be no English broadcast" instead of "no OGN-run English broadcast".
KeSPA then throws a fit, slanders DoA, and pretty much confirms everything above - that OGN is not doing the English broadcast, and only gonna provide the video feed, that there are ongoing conflicts between KeSPA/OGN/IEG.
Finally, KeSPA later confirms there will be English cast, done by who-knows-who, using the OGN produced video. All this happening within 48 hours before the actual event.
And it's somehow all DoA's fault?
Yeah right, I know where I'm on this one.
Some mod stick this to the top of the thread.
So people can just straight up hate KeSPA again? think KeSPA could bring world piece to the whole world and u guys still would bitch about them.
On December 07 2012 19:21 Adreme wrote: So to summerize the final point we will be watching the same casters and the same games at the same time we thought we would 24 hours ago before all this drama happened.
This is correct. But after that? We'll have to see how these last minute negotiations pan out to know what the English casts for Proleague are going to look like on a regular basis down the line.
On December 07 2012 19:21 Adreme wrote: So to summerize the final point we will be watching the same casters and the same games at the same time we thought we would 24 hours ago before all this drama happened.
On December 07 2012 19:21 Adreme wrote: So to summerize the final point we will be watching the same casters and the same games at the same time we thought we would 24 hours ago before all this drama happened.
For the opening matches yeah. I can't find anything that states they will keep an English broadcast going beyond those yet, not until they get the "resources" to do their own English broadcast. But again, it's really vague and unclear what they actually mean.
On December 07 2012 18:58 tomatriedes wrote: Who exactly are IEG anyway?
International E-Sports Group Incorporated. - taken from the stream background image on twitch... lol
A quick Google suggests that they were somehow involved with the CPL(Cyberathlete Professional League), were tied to the MvP Invitational, and have been active in removing Downfall parody videos (what?). Also, weren't they somehow involved with eSTRO? And is this all the same IEG/
This doesn't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, I'm pretty positive the people that ran CPL are long gone. Aside from the CGS aftermath, I doubt that we'll hear more from them.
I'm curious what would've happened had DoA not made the thread, and not told us all that the English OGN cast was cancelled. Would we just be sitting in the LR thread trying to figure out why the OGN Twitch stream isn't coming online? Would DoA & Monte Cristo still be casting the opening day on the KeSPA stream, and if not, would anyone be? (I have trouble believing they have any casters locked in and good to go if they're borrowing OGN's casters at the last minute). If anything, I think this whole ordeal has forced KeSPA to actually communicate with us about what's going on and attempt to make some last-minute arrangements, which we can be thankful for.
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