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rogiebearassasin
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia3 Posts
November 28 2012 00:23 GMT
#81
I like to tske risks early kidnapping enemy scouts is my go to moneuvre
friendly 1 v 1, 4 gates you
Sylverin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States480 Posts
November 28 2012 00:25 GMT
#82
On November 28 2012 06:01 PiQLiQ wrote:
Life is about taking risks sometimes

Yeah but maybe he doesn't want to be a HerO. Just a well paid millionaire.
Liquid hero <3////Brotoss Protoss!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 28 2012 00:29 GMT
#83
On November 28 2012 08:22 ScandiNAVIan wrote:
I wish I were playing a race too which allowed me the luxury of not taking risks.

Then switch. No big deal. I've switched 5 times, and never had to drop below masters.
Refer to my post.
ScandiNAVIan
Profile Joined November 2012
Korea (South)60 Posts
November 28 2012 00:57 GMT
#84
On November 28 2012 09:29 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 08:22 ScandiNAVIan wrote:
I wish I were playing a race too which allowed me the luxury of not taking risks.

Then switch. No big deal. I've switched 5 times, and never had to drop below masters.

I have self-respect.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
November 28 2012 01:06 GMT
#85
i dont think Stephano chose Zerg because he know 2 years later the metagame allowed him to play without taking risks^^
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4419 Posts
November 28 2012 01:10 GMT
#86
Interview too long. I don't really like video interviews but will watch them if they are 10-15 minutes. If an interview goes to the point where it's longer than that there needs to be a text form of it IMO.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
November 28 2012 01:12 GMT
#87
Amazing interview. Touched on a lot of intersting things.
"Right on" - Morrow
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
November 28 2012 01:12 GMT
#88
On November 28 2012 08:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 07:51 zerious wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:46 zhurai wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:41 Zheryn wrote:
"There is absolutely no fun in playing Starcraft 2 anymore, the only thing that's fun is to win." Can't see Stephano being around that much longer. Probably won't see anything of Stephano in HotS.

I don't think most pros have "fun" playing starcraft. they just want to and have to win.


It's just a job for most pros, which makes it sad.

Blizzard, oh how you have fucked up...

A lot of Kespa players said SC2 was "more fun" then Starcraft


ive never seen a progamer say that lol
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
November 28 2012 01:16 GMT
#89
On November 28 2012 10:10 JJH777 wrote:
Interview too long. I don't really like video interviews but will watch them if they are 10-15 minutes. If an interview goes to the point where it's longer than that there needs to be a text form of it IMO.


You're right. Any chance you could transcribe it for us?
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Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
November 28 2012 01:16 GMT
#90
On November 28 2012 09:17 rogiebearassasin wrote:
I'm not quiet sure how to begin this post I believe the zerg army is quite inferior in the overall scheme of things. There scouts armory has a lot.of.chinks in it,a little inside rumour dragons in the new expansion (read it a don ragu interview) who caught the latest episode of.gsl I thought the strategies of all.major players was pitiful. What do u guys think


I'm not quite sure what to make of this
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
November 28 2012 01:19 GMT
#91
On November 28 2012 09:57 ScandiNAVIan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 09:29 Zenbrez wrote:
On November 28 2012 08:22 ScandiNAVIan wrote:
I wish I were playing a race too which allowed me the luxury of not taking risks.

Then switch. No big deal. I've switched 5 times, and never had to drop below masters.

I have self-respect.


Apparently not enough to not pick it in the beginning! :D
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
November 28 2012 01:22 GMT
#92
On November 28 2012 08:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 07:51 zerious wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:46 zhurai wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:41 Zheryn wrote:
"There is absolutely no fun in playing Starcraft 2 anymore, the only thing that's fun is to win." Can't see Stephano being around that much longer. Probably won't see anything of Stephano in HotS.

I don't think most pros have "fun" playing starcraft. they just want to and have to win.


It's just a job for most pros, which makes it sad.

Blizzard, oh how you have fucked up...

A lot of Kespa players said SC2 was "more fun" then Starcraft

You just like to eat up all the PR talk huh?
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
November 28 2012 01:29 GMT
#93
On November 28 2012 10:12 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 08:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:51 zerious wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:46 zhurai wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:41 Zheryn wrote:
"There is absolutely no fun in playing Starcraft 2 anymore, the only thing that's fun is to win." Can't see Stephano being around that much longer. Probably won't see anything of Stephano in HotS.

I don't think most pros have "fun" playing starcraft. they just want to and have to win.


It's just a job for most pros, which makes it sad.

Blizzard, oh how you have fucked up...

A lot of Kespa players said SC2 was "more fun" then Starcraft


ive never seen a progamer say that lol

Well, bw or not when you have to practice hundred of times the same build I'm not sure there still is some fun in it. I think it's obvious progamer aren't playing for fun. That may upset people, but this is the same with basically all jobs, video game or not.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
November 28 2012 01:29 GMT
#94
On November 28 2012 10:12 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 08:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:51 zerious wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:46 zhurai wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:41 Zheryn wrote:
"There is absolutely no fun in playing Starcraft 2 anymore, the only thing that's fun is to win." Can't see Stephano being around that much longer. Probably won't see anything of Stephano in HotS.

I don't think most pros have "fun" playing starcraft. they just want to and have to win.


It's just a job for most pros, which makes it sad.

Blizzard, oh how you have fucked up...

A lot of Kespa players said SC2 was "more fun" then Starcraft


ive never seen a progamer say that lol


Liquid.Sea said it in his interview when he switched to team liquid. I think others have said similar things.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
LOLItsRyann
Profile Joined April 2011
England551 Posts
November 28 2012 01:34 GMT
#95
On November 28 2012 10:29 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 10:12 zerious wrote:
On November 28 2012 08:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:51 zerious wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:46 zhurai wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:41 Zheryn wrote:
"There is absolutely no fun in playing Starcraft 2 anymore, the only thing that's fun is to win." Can't see Stephano being around that much longer. Probably won't see anything of Stephano in HotS.

I don't think most pros have "fun" playing starcraft. they just want to and have to win.


It's just a job for most pros, which makes it sad.

Blizzard, oh how you have fucked up...

A lot of Kespa players said SC2 was "more fun" then Starcraft


ive never seen a progamer say that lol


Liquid.Sea said it in his interview when he switched to team liquid. I think others have said similar things.


Isn't there a print screen of Sea on stream typing something like "SC2 bad", or "BW better" or something like that. Cannot remember exactly what he said by any means. But it had that meaning.
EG<3
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 28 2012 01:36 GMT
#96
On November 28 2012 10:16 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 10:10 JJH777 wrote:
Interview too long. I don't really like video interviews but will watch them if they are 10-15 minutes. If an interview goes to the point where it's longer than that there needs to be a text form of it IMO.


You're right. Any chance you could transcribe it for us?


Just check the questions and hear the answers to the one you find interesting. Very easy!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Kyrao
Profile Joined July 2010
United States161 Posts
November 28 2012 01:37 GMT
#97
I've never realized just how lazy Stephano seems to be... He doesn't want to do GSL because he doesn't want to put in the work of researching his opponents and there isn't enough money in it. I used to love this guy, now I'm just like, meh.

I honestly think he truly believes that he is just intellectually superior to everyone else and wants to go out of his way to show how lazy he is because he feels that it makes him seem more like a "natural." I'm not saying he's not, but it's sad how far he goes out of his way to make sure people see how little effort he puts into it. What a douche. Seriously. He'll never fully realize his potential, but whatever.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
November 28 2012 01:39 GMT
#98
I can't imagine doing the exact same thing day in day out would be fun anymore. That's why progaming is a job and no longer just "playing a couple of hours of video games with meh buddies on the weekend".

Ok, take your FAVORITE video game/activity/hobby whatever and do that 8 hours a day for 6 days a week. I will give you 4 dollars if you don't hate it after 2 months of that.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
November 28 2012 01:40 GMT
#99
On November 28 2012 08:45 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 08:22 The_Darkness wrote:
On November 28 2012 07:46 AbideWithMe wrote:
Overall a good interview although there are some major weak points in my opinion:

1) Stephano gets harder and harder to understand. After 20 minutes he switches into some french english mumbling.

2) The interviewer asks like a thousand really specific and in my opinion uninteresting questions about foreigners but he fails to ask some critical questions with non-obvious answers.:

E.G: Stephano says he just plays for money and at the same time that he doesn't practice. Why and I'm asking that myself for months is nobody asking him:" WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT PRACTICING IF YOU WANT TO WIN MONEY????"
On WCS Finals there was a 100 fucking K on the line. Why doesn't he practice to cash in on that. What is he doing if he's not practicing? He's a fulltime progamer. Why is he not practicing for fuckin sake?

3) To many questions about far too few topics. No questions whatsoever about:

1) How he's feeling with EG as a new team. Advantages/Disadvantages, atmosphere/mood, whether his recent decline in skill is related to the switch or not, the 12 year old abuse etc.

2) What's he planning on doing afterwards

3) Anything about the "Starcraft is dying" Story and what he thinks about LoL and Dota, etc.

4) his thoughts on HOTS obviously, balance and unit design choices etc.

How come there is no time to ask any of these questions in a 45 minute interview?


I'm a pretty big fan of Stephano and I really want to know the answer to 2). His apparent lack of practice does not make any sense at all if he wants to win money. I've paid attention to the activity on his accounts and what he says about practice in his tweets and interviews and they're consistent with one another so it doesn't seem he's lying about not practicing, which means I guess he's incredibly lazy or somewhat irrational.

As to 4), IIRC, he said HoTS was shit at some point because the units were imbalanced, which is a pretty silly criticism (although not inaccurate) given he was playing it when the beta was released.



He did answer question #2. The game isn't fun. Would you do something for hours on end if you didn't like it?



What don't you understand about the disconnect between wanting to make money and not practicing? He clearly is not maximizing his earnings. With just a modicum of effort he could earn more. Here are some recent results from Stephano (who until a couple months ago was probably the most consistently high performing SC2 player around), which well illustrate the fact that he needs to practice and that his lack of practice is hurting his bottom line: He was stomped 4-0 by Lucifron (stim to the win), lost a series against TT1 (in NASL and now he's not qualified for the playoffs) (in one of the games he had a lead, teched to blord infestor on metropolis and still lost -- I can't imagine a more humiliating loss), looked in general not like himself at DH and got 2-0'd by Fraer, lost 2-0 to Idra in a tournament with a ton of foreigners and Korean protoss in it (and 100000K on the line). If he didn't care about money then not practicing makes perhaps some sense because he doesn't care about anything. But he does care about money so he's either irrational or extremely lazy. Nearly no one likes work but you do it anyway.

Also as an aside Stephano even when he practiced never practiced "hours on end". He would practice 3 hours usually. When he streamed he'd practice 4-5 hours and there was a one or two week period when he was in Korea where he was playing 8 hours a day. 3 hours a day is an extremely minimal commitment for anyone in any discipline I'm aware of (including esports) who effectively makes a living from that discipline (music, fighting, basketball, baseball, chess, etc.).

To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 28 2012 01:50 GMT
#100
On November 28 2012 08:41 Spermwahale wrote:
@emzeeshady: oh pleasw shut up. Cant you see they are pressured by kespa to say that? If you have seen former pros in afreeca. They all have said sc2 is complete garbage.


To be fair, the fact they are former pros probably means they didn't enjoy sc2 or were not good at it (which is likely related). As for Kespa pressure, that could be true. But do current progamers really need Kespa pressure to tout the 'SC2 is fun' line? Even if Kespa allowed you to say whatever you want, why would you say something negative about the game you are making money off of?

When you practice 10 + hours a day, I am sure even if progamers say they have 'fun'. It is different from the 'fun' that we as gamers have.
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