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DH, ESL and MLG Partnership Announced - Page 9

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Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
November 15 2012 17:29 GMT
#161
On November 16 2012 02:16 Noocta wrote:
Finally

Hoping IGN and NASL will come along later, even if they are more online league than offline events organisations.


NASL is a league so I dont know if it will be such a big deal. But yea, it would be nice if IPL could get into this deal as well.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
November 15 2012 17:29 GMT
#162
Seems like everyone won is winning, me like ^^
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
November 15 2012 17:29 GMT
#163
Guys.. the idea here I believe is that the tournament organizers can remain as they are. That they can still push their own identity and custom formats. I would hate to see conformity that totally changes the uniqueness of each tournament.

As I have proposed.. this Association/Circuit.. should be more like the PGA (Professional Gold Association) with each tournament having its own identity and features. The idea here is first to get the organizations to work together on a circuit calendar.. not about making all of the formats the same. Each organization should still compete for players and teams and compete for sponsors and for added production value.. but at the same time a circuit of specifically listed events and rankings/points to be earned can increase the 'buying' power of the esports industry.

The Masters (Golf) is different from the US Open... but both are on a circuit with a points/rankings system that carries across all 'sanctioned' PGA events. This allows each organization to remain a competitor with others to improve the product.. but unifies the organizations to provide better opportunities for the industry as a whole.
Still Naked!
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
November 15 2012 17:29 GMT
#164
cool stuff
Ethoex
Profile Joined June 2012
United States164 Posts
November 15 2012 17:30 GMT
#165
On November 16 2012 01:06 GTR wrote:

agreed
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
November 15 2012 17:32 GMT
#166
Woot that is great news =)

Curious if this is an equal partnership or does one have to say more than the others.
For example I hope this doesn't mean stuff like MLG telling Robert to stop cursing on camera
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Roonweld
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
November 15 2012 17:33 GMT
#167
Really would have liked to see IPL and NASL, but this is definitely a step in the right direction
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
November 15 2012 17:33 GMT
#168
Universal Ranking: A universal ranking system across organizations for all major game titles directly impacting seeding and event qualification.

Unified Competition Structure: Development of a unified competition structure for all major titles at all tournaments.


I was kind of curious what these things really meant. It might not be great that every tournament has the same structure. What is the universla ranking system going to be like, too? I think Carmac made a great point before on twitter today where he talked about the middle ranking pro's and their difficulties in the scene. If the same 30 players get seeded continously across all the tournaments then it will be harder to break out or to earn money, which ultimately will be to the detriment of starcraft.

Otherwise I think it's a great initiative.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45176 Posts
November 15 2012 17:34 GMT
#169
On November 16 2012 02:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 02:15 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:09 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:08 Meki wrote:
Sounds great, but i'm fearing PPV...


No PPV


Good Didn't really expect it to occur anyway (at least, for the main championship events).

MLG Adam, does the streamlining of the competition structure imply that MLG may finally get rid of the double elimination + extended series format? Or that, in general, DH, ESL and MLG will all share the same format for their tournament (whatever that may end up being)?



We are evaluating Double Elimination now. I can say with 99% confidence that extended series will not be present for SC2 next year. Stay tuned for details.


Double elimination is the bane of SC2 right now. To many games, to hard to plan, do difficult to broadcast. I would rather watch 50 awesome elimination games in a weekend than 250 games, some that are not broadcast. It hard to follow, brutal on the players and just leads to generic, run of the mill, substandard games.


While I agree with you that scheduling *the most important games* to appear on a stream gets dicey (because of how subjective it becomes, and you end up with some players ::coughPoltcough:: not getting much air time), as far as tournament format and fairness goes, I always thought it was pretty much established that double elimination is fine, but it's the extended series in addition to double elimination that's the central problem. The extended series seems to be the biggest controversy, and that's what a good number of people want eliminated.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
November 15 2012 17:38 GMT
#170
Teamwork is awesome
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ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
November 15 2012 17:38 GMT
#171
coming.. details on a ranking algorithm that I created a few years back while at the GGL (Global Gaming League)... for this very sort of circuit.

I will say now.. any rankings system that uses a 'raw points earned' system will be flawed and do exactly the opposite of what appears to be proposed. Any ranking system used must be relative to the number of events an individual attends.. not points that accure from attending more events then someone else. Yes.. there must be a number of events attended that are required as part of the rankings.. (ie: a player must attend 5 of 9 circuit events for rankings)...

Anyway.. --- Global Points System details coming soon.
Still Naked!
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
November 15 2012 17:38 GMT
#172
Best news in a long time! E-sports moving forwards!
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
November 15 2012 17:39 GMT
#173
Best news we got all year
xCherubiMx
Profile Joined July 2012
United States25 Posts
November 15 2012 17:39 GMT
#174
Well this is awesome. It is great to see the industry consolidate and cooperate. This should only lead to growth.
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
November 15 2012 17:40 GMT
#175
On November 16 2012 02:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 02:22 Plansix wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:15 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:09 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:08 Meki wrote:
Sounds great, but i'm fearing PPV...


No PPV


Good Didn't really expect it to occur anyway (at least, for the main championship events).

MLG Adam, does the streamlining of the competition structure imply that MLG may finally get rid of the double elimination + extended series format? Or that, in general, DH, ESL and MLG will all share the same format for their tournament (whatever that may end up being)?



We are evaluating Double Elimination now. I can say with 99% confidence that extended series will not be present for SC2 next year. Stay tuned for details.


Double elimination is the bane of SC2 right now. To many games, to hard to plan, do difficult to broadcast. I would rather watch 50 awesome elimination games in a weekend than 250 games, some that are not broadcast. It hard to follow, brutal on the players and just leads to generic, run of the mill, substandard games.


While I agree with you that scheduling *the most important games* to appear on a stream gets dicey (because of how subjective it becomes, and you end up with some players ::coughPoltcough:: not getting much air time), as far as tournament format and fairness goes, I always thought it was pretty much established that double elimination is fine, but it's the extended series in addition to double elimination that's the central problem. The extended series seems to be the biggest controversy, and that's what a good number of people want eliminated.


Double elimination isn't used in any real sport. Why not learn from organisations that make sports entertainment for Billions of viewers?
Why not a simple group stage and a single elimination tournament? Not that abomination of a tournament table like MLG, were group play standings give you an so huge advantage.
Learn from FIFA world cup, the biggest sports event ever.
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45176 Posts
November 15 2012 17:41 GMT
#176
On November 16 2012 02:17 DurandaL917 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 02:09 MLG_Adam wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:08 Meki wrote:
Sounds great, but i'm fearing PPV...


No PPV


Wow!! Seems like a complete reversal from the 2012 model ... a really welocme change!


It makes me sad when people imply that MLG has become PPV, just because a few added, satellite MLG events ran that model. Some people conveniently forget that the entire regular, main circuit is still free (unless you want extras or super HD, which is what pretty much every tournament asks you to pay a little towards anyway). The central MLG competition has consistently been free for SC2 viewers, and I'm excited that it (and other tournaments) will continue to have free options.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
StarCraft2
Profile Joined October 2012
160 Posts
November 15 2012 17:41 GMT
#177
Good

Good

Excellent
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
November 15 2012 17:43 GMT
#178
This is epic! The universal rankings have got me REALLY excited!
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 17:44:54
November 15 2012 17:43 GMT
#179
This also rises some hope of seeing Kespa pros visiting Europe in the future =)

.. and GD couch at MLG
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
November 15 2012 17:44 GMT
#180
:o

That's freaking cool Oo;;
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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