EPTDH, ESL and MLG Partnership Announced - Page 15
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On November 16 2012 06:06 markrevival wrote: You guys don't see this as Sundance continuing and furthering his Cold War vs GSL/IPL? This was predicted going back to before the MLG/KeSPA partnership. Sundance basically says he doesn't recognize GSL as a legitimate organization, says he wants to put IPL out of business, then creates a partnership with KeSPA and flips off GOM again. So now Sundance wants to create a great divide by making IEM/DH/MLG the only legitimate foreign tournament scene. It's a damn shame. IPL 5 is going to be the best foreign tournament in the world, and Sundance is scared of them. If you look at the events that happened this year in that regard you can actually see a pattern. I don't know about Sundance not recognizing Gretech, but you have to accept, that this is no deal to improve on esports in the first place. It's a simple kapitalistic move to gain a monopole over the north american market. Just look at the partners MLG has gathered among them: Dreamhack - very localized tournament organisator in Europe KESPA - hugely localized in korea, in fact does not really care about the rest of the world ESL - hosting tournaments EVERYWHERE except North America! This deal is made to become the only esport power in North America. And I won't believe the opposite unless MLG shows serious attemps to cooperate with IPL on equal footings. The timing of that is also pretty interesting. Of course this has to be announced before IPL presents their plans for 2013, which will likely take place at or after IPL5. Now IPL is the weird spot of how to react to this. Do they try to play along and make their schedule fit in that "global calendar" or do they try to create a opposing alliance of organisations, perhaps with ASUS ROG as european partner and Gretech in Korea? (just the be marked the bad man, splitting the SC2/esport scene in half) From a buisness point of view you have to give a big credit to MLG. This is a clever move to pull ahead and put the competition under pressure. But from an ethnical point of view I'm pretty disappointed. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On November 16 2012 08:09 TeeTS wrote: If you look at the events that happened this year in that regard you can actually see a pattern. I don't know about Sundance not recognizing Gretech, but you have to accept, that this is no deal to improve on esports in the first place. It's a simple kapitalistic move to gain a monopole over the north american market. Just look at the partners MLG has gathered among them: Dreamhack - very localized tournament organisator in Europe KESPA - hugely localized in korea, in fact does not really care about the rest of the world ESL - hosting tournaments EVERYWHERE except North America! This deal is made to become the only esport power in North America. And I won't believe the opposite unless MLG shows serious attemps to cooperate with IPL on equal footings. The timing of that is also pretty interesting. Of course this has to be announced before IPL presents their plans for 2013, which will likely take place at or after IPL5. Now IPL is the weird spot of how to react to this. Do they try to play along and make their schedule fit in that "global calendar" or do they try to create a opposing alliance of organisations, perhaps with ASUS ROG as european partner and Gretech in Korea? (just the be marked the bad man, splitting the SC2/esport scene in half) From a buisness point of view you have to give a big credit to MLG. This is a clever move to pull ahead and put the competition under pressure. But from an ethnical point of view I'm pretty disappointed. Personally I think GOM and IPL are a partnership no one else can beat. Hosting GSL events like GSL/GSTL finals at IPL events will make them the best events around, unless MLG hosts a PL or OSL finals It's not going to compete. ( and this probably will never happen because Kespa's main market is Korea, while GSL's is more about the paying foreigner audience ) - this is all my opinion, of course. Some people might enjoy different things. I don't think they need to change a thing or go along with anything any of the other organizations do. IPL5 is going to be the best event this year because they are able to bring in GOM to do production and host GSL ro4 + finals and the awesome GSL world championship show matches. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
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So I outlined this a few months ago.. but its very possible to have multiple games on the circuit/association that do not have to be featured at every tournament. For example.. Lets assume MLG, DH and IEM/ESL all agree to the following games at each of their tournaments: SC2 CS:GO DOTA2 (I chose this because we are still unsure of where RIOT stands with working with orgs) So lets say there are 11 Events that the 3 orgs decide are part of a circuit (sanctioned Association events) MLG Spring, Summer, Winter.. etc.. DH Winter, Summer, etc.. IEM Events.. All 11 of them have the 3 major circuit games included... but there are options for additional featured games. MLG and IEM include Black Ops 2 (8 of the 11 events) DH and IEM include Quake Live (7 of the 11 events) You get the idea. Anyway, the association decides on a total of 5 games that are part of the circuit... but not every event has to feature the game. As long as the game is included in x number of events, it can be sanctioned for rankings. If using a proper rankings system (as I mentioned before... regarding my GPS Ranking system)... then those games can still be viable and included in a 'World Championships' in which all 3 organizations work together, pull in sponsors for the circuit only to support the Finals.. so on.. and BOOM.. you have a circuit that includes more then just 3 games that all 3 must agree on. The 'Association' works together to bring in sponsors that support only the Circuit. Imagine the buying power that 3 orgs working together have as opposed to a single org. So like NASCAR.. which has a specific sponsor for the Circuit.. the orgs are still allowed to have their own event sponsors. Imagine this sponsor signing a 3 year contract for the circuit. After each year, the Association evaluates the games that were included, works together to bring more to the circuit in terms of sponsors and stability... and again.. we are moving forward to a very sustainable and structured model for esports. | ||
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FeltFace
Australia577 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:06 markrevival wrote: You guys don't see this as Sundance continuing and furthering his Cold War vs GSL/IPL? This was predicted going back to before the MLG/KeSPA partnership. Sundance basically says he doesn't recognize GSL as a legitimate organization, says he wants to put IPL out of business, then creates a partnership with KeSPA and flips off GOM again. So now Sundance wants to create a great divide by making IEM/DH/MLG the only legitimate foreign tournament scene. It's a damn shame. IPL 5 is going to be the best foreign tournament in the world, and Sundance is scared of them. You can't say that with 100% certainty, IPL Team League finals were a horribly produced, rushed production. Hopefully GOM will carry them. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On November 16 2012 08:25 FeltFace wrote: You can't say that with 100% certainty, IPL Team League finals were a horribly produced, rushed production. Hopefully GOM will carry them. GOM is sending 70~ employees to do the production, it has about the same chance to fail as a GSL final. | ||
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Shinespark
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Aber
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snively
United States1159 Posts
On November 16 2012 01:06 GTR wrote: yes. yes it is | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
Then again, IPL and NASL (and to a lessor extent, GSL) generally have more consistent content - they stream a lot of content, and have a lot fewer "live" events scattered in the year. NASL especially have really upped their production game over the year, and I think they have a lot more variety among their sponsors. Still, could be a good step. I'll wait and see - I'm still waiting for Sundance to really articulate the "vision" he shared at MLG Orlando. On November 16 2012 09:07 Shinespark wrote: Kespa will never partner up with anyone, ever. Stop dreaming about it, Kespa will be dead before LotV anyway. They're already in a partnership with MLG. Try again? | ||
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frederik
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JtoK
Germany232 Posts
They could create one of the biggest tourneys of all time! | ||
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