On October 18 2012 03:10 sunwentai wrote: I think Jessica is truthful in her comments. This very much feels like someone who has been disregarded and lied to left and right, and who was never able to share her thoughts about all this. Doesn't mean that all of it is exactly right, but it does feel like this is exactly what she experienced through her relations with others. I think she feels powerless while trying hard to make things right for everyone.
Jessica always said something like.. I will disclose everything someday...
But if you consider that even Jessica, whose repute for being emotional is well-known, could keep it to herself for such a long time, you've gotta give some credit to her.
She was is a veteran in the korean entertainment business... She knows when to disclose details
On October 18 2012 03:10 sunwentai wrote: I think Jessica is truthful in her comments. This very much feels like someone who has been disregarded and lied to left and right, and who was never able to share her thoughts about all this. Doesn't mean that all of it is exactly right, but it does feel like this is exactly what she experienced through her relations with others. I think she feels powerless while trying hard to make things right for everyone.
If you know her a little bit more, you wouldnt say this at all. He is a completely a Bxxxx and literally ruined Slayers by running the team.
Eleaf if you know anything about Boxer's and Jessica then you my friend are an idiot. Yes she can be overly dramatic at times but I have yet to hear her lie with mostly anything when she speaks out especially when its pertained to boxer's career. Most of everything that is said fits and that the players are the main reason this team fell apart because they were ungrateful and selfish brats. Their egos got wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too big for their own good and ended up destroying themselves and the team basically.
Anyone who can bash boxer player, team, manager, etc etc etc is in my mind an ungrateful prick. They single handedly destroyed his willingness to want to make a comeback or continue to grow slayers and for that I can never forgive these players.
On October 18 2012 02:27 AbideWithMe wrote: I think it is a really shady move to keep an "incident with Alicia" secret as it puts him in an uncomfortable position where he can not even comment on it.
If it really ends in the court its alright though. They won't sue him because he left the door open or was unfriendly.
Jessica would probably sue anyone for anything
Listen: If there is a contract that is being broken, sueing is the right legal way to go about it.
Why didn't the players just talk openly about their problems? Instead they seem to be agitated by outsiders and believe them, without listening to the other side. Furthermore you wonder: Why should someone that puts money into the team want to destroy it's players?
Perhaps the main problem is, Koreans can deal with a woman being the boss?
We'll find out after the Korean presidential elections.
Park Geun Hye may become the first woman president in Korea if she is elected this December.
i forgot who but some politician commented on female president negatively, he got chewed up so badly by the media and the political parties. i dont think korea no longer has the sexism problem anymore, in large/public scale at least.
and i grew up with my dad refusing to support my sister's school tuition because she isn't worth it (cus shes a girl) o.O time has changed.
Be prepared, female leaders can make hard decisions. (Merkel *cough*)
On October 18 2012 03:10 sunwentai wrote: I think Jessica is truthful in her comments. This very much feels like someone who has been disregarded and lied to left and right, and who was never able to share her thoughts about all this. Doesn't mean that all of it is exactly right, but it does feel like this is exactly what she experienced through her relations with others. I think she feels powerless while trying hard to make things right for everyone.
If you know her a little bit more, you wouldnt say this at all. He is a completely a Bxxxx and literally ruined Slayers by running the team.
Eleaf if you know anything about Boxer's and Jessica then you my friend are an idiot. Yes she can be overly dramatic at times but I have yet to hear her lie with mostly anything when she speaks out especially when its pertained to boxer's career. Most of everything that is said fits and that the players are the main reason this team fell apart because they were ungrateful and selfish brats. Their egos got wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too big for their own good and ended up destroying themselves and the team basically.
On October 18 2012 03:11 Naphal wrote: people should not attack IM in any way, that team always was rocksolid, supported its players, aquired good sponsors and did everything right, while slayers may have focused on the wrong things too much.
If IM wasn't allowing their players to practice or even talk to players from SlayerS I think that's worthy of some criticism...
I swear Mvp thanked MMA for practicing with him in an interview like a month ago.
Wow at this point most of the players in SlayerS sound like spoiled brats. Much respect to BoxeR and his dream. I hope he can realize it better in SKT1. I'm sure with that much potential, he'll create the heroes this generation of eSports deserves.
Honestly, what the fuck? I know that if I was in a team headed by BoxeR I would be respectful and grateful every goddamned day because I would have the advice of an eSport LEGEND. SKT1 will appreciate him so much more considering the storied legacy they have together. Welcome home.
On October 18 2012 03:10 sunwentai wrote: I think Jessica is truthful in her comments. This very much feels like someone who has been disregarded and lied to left and right, and who was never able to share her thoughts about all this. Doesn't mean that all of it is exactly right, but it does feel like this is exactly what she experienced through her relations with others. I think she feels powerless while trying hard to make things right for everyone.
Jessica always said something like.. I will disclose everything someday...
But if you consider that even Jessica, whose repute for being emotional is well-known, could keep it to herself for such a long time, you've gotta give some credit to her.
She was is a veteran in the korean entertainment business... She knows when to disclose details
To be honest, I wonder how she stays afloat in that business with such bad PR skills.
On October 18 2012 03:18 Qwyn wrote: Wow at this point most of the players in SlayerS sound like spoiled brats. Much respect to BoxeR and his dream. I hope he can realize it better in SKT1. I'm sure with that much potential, he'll create the heroes this generation of eSports deserves.
Honestly, what the fuck? I know that if I was in a team headed by BoxeR I would be respectful and grateful every goddamned day because I would have the advice of an eSport LEGEND. SKT1 will appreciate him so much more considering the storied legacy they have together. Welcome home.
You, sir, should have a medal for actually knowing SC history.
Holy cow! Not only do koreans kick foreigner's asses in tournaments, but they continually one up them in the drama department too?! SC 2 dying?! Bollocks I say! SC2 drama will keep the scene alive!
Man, it's hard to know who to believe in all this. On the one hand jessica does tend to exaggerate things, but details all the problems pretty clearly. I always knew never to trust NASL...they indirectly killed off slayers! This is such sad news, but everyone saw the writing on the wall with slayers and knew it was coming to an end. If that part about players boycotting practicing with slayers players and shunning them at foreign events is true, well that's disappointing to hear.
On October 18 2012 03:10 sunwentai wrote: I think Jessica is truthful in her comments. This very much feels like someone who has been disregarded and lied to left and right, and who was never able to share her thoughts about all this. Doesn't mean that all of it is exactly right, but it does feel like this is exactly what she experienced through her relations with others. I think she feels powerless while trying hard to make things right for everyone.
Jessica always said something like.. I will disclose everything someday...
But if you consider that even Jessica, whose repute for being emotional is well-known, could keep it to herself for such a long time, you've gotta give some credit to her.
She was is a veteran in the korean entertainment business... She knows when to disclose details
To be honest, I wonder how she stays afloat in that business with such bad PR skills.
She has the looks, she is very smart, has business sense and is heiress to a big construction firm in korea
This is gonna have tremendous effects on the e-sports Federation. This drama is only going to escalate if what Jessica said about the Federation is true. Either way, the Federation has to make a statement before they lose even more (fan) support.
On October 18 2012 03:21 Canucklehead wrote: Holy cow! Not only do koreans kick foreigner's asses in tournaments, but they continually one up them in the drama department too?! SC 2 dying?! Bollocks I say! SC2 drama will keep the scene alive!
Man, it's hard to know who to believe in all this. On the one hand jessica does tend to exaggerate things, but details all the problems pretty clearly. I always knew never to trust NASL...they indirectly killed off slayers! This is such sad news, but everyone saw the writing on the wall with slayers and knew it was coming to an end. If that part about players boycotting practicing with slayers players and shunning them at foreign events is true, well that's disappointing to hear.
Well all that drama about TSL didnt kill them... Even after the mass exodus similar to slayers, the worse financial situation and defaming by coach won they did stay alive and are doing better.
Is it only me or does anyone else think that the issues that they had were not that bad?
Apparently money was not the biggest problem (it usually is) but lack of communication and bloody PMS (or was it nervousness the word I was looking for) ruined it all. You don't close the shop because of that, you just fix the damn thing and move on with your life.
Players who want to leave must leave, what's the point of keeping a player against his will, his performance will decrease anyway (MMA case for ex) players who want to stay fucking behave and that's pretty much it. I'm quite sure there are tons of good players who would gladly join a team like Slayers, all of this makes no sense.
You don't disband a successful team because you're butt hurt.
I genuinely think a good staff meeting where everything is discussed honestly by everyone, and peacefully, would easily solve the problems.
Don't know if this was mentioned in the thread already, but the full translation in the OP confused Ryung (Kim Dong Won) with Ganzi (Kim Dong Joo) in the incident with IM. The other full translation seems to have corrected that, but you should probably note that in the OP so people don't get confused.