EPTI don't know what to say.
I just feel terrible for boxer.
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
I don't know what to say. I just feel terrible for boxer. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
I know for a fact most of what she is saying is true, not only from speaking to SlayerS players, but from talking to other ESF players and their relationship with the SlayerS players. Jessica has been fairly truthful about everything. But people people want to not Believe what Jessica says, they will follow whatever MMA says because thats how they are. That depresses me more than anything really. | ||
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NeMaTo
United States50 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:26 KanoCoke wrote: I think this Manager J was a really good conman if he managed to get the whole team to side with him regarding allegations towards Jessica. An actress that already has all the wealth she needs wouldn't have a need for embezzling. BoxeR on the other hand, I understand why he's been in the sidelines a lot while most of these were happening (he's been injured for a long time now and has always been trying therapy instead of going for surgery, which takes much more time). For the team to not trust BoxeR of all people though, I find this very sad. It's no surprise that he left SlayerS if all of this rubbish happens and all these kids that he mentored and cared for suddenly all stop trusting him. What's sad is how most of the team quickly believed the manager. If I were a player in the team, I'd have still placed my trust on the people that created the team rather than someone who just went in there and suddenly got a hold of everything. In fact, I'd be more suspicious about the manager who's doing the accusing. Anyway, it's sad to see Puzzle, Min and CoCa switch over to LoL as they're very talented SCII players, but they had very good reasons to switch over, so there's no helping it. As for the rest though, I hope they manage to find teams and aren't getting bullied by other players anymore. Also, Startale's head coach is a humongous douche bag. I hope he gets what he deserves in the future. It might be because most SCII players in Korea are still teenagers, and very naive. I would sue the hell out of him if I was Jessica (if what she's saying is the truth)... And I really can't think of a reason why Jessica would have done the things that J accused her of. On the other hand, J had all the motivation in the world to turn the players against Jessica, and create a team with him in charge... | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
I think her way of thinking is too radical and from my experience with Koreans, it is definitely not the norm. Also, why does she want to solve every problem by sueing someone? I don't recall any other teams doing that when this kind of drama happens. The way she told her story made it sound like she basically did nothing wrong and everything unfolded into her disfavor. Sounds very unbelievable and extremely common amongst people trying to find an excuse. I seriously hope she doesn't end up sueing any of the players, I mean most of these players are high school kids who don't know jack shit about professionalism but you can't blame them for that unless you've trained them vigorously on how to act proper etc. This kind of legal action only stunts future teens in Korean who want to be a pro-gamer with the fear of being sued. I wonder what Genna and Totalbiscuit has to say about this (the part about her pursuing Crank's broken contract) because at least Genna seems like a person who is willing to support her player no matter what the player wants. | ||
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Jintoss
Hong Kong117 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:26 KanoCoke wrote: I think this Manager J was a really good conman if he managed to get the whole team to side with him regarding allegations towards Jessica. An actress that already has all the wealth she needs wouldn't have a need for embezzling. BoxeR on the other hand, I understand why he's been in the sidelines a lot while most of these were happening (he's been injured for a long time now and has always been trying therapy instead of going for surgery, which takes much more time). For the team to not trust BoxeR of all people though, I find this very sad. It's no surprise that he left SlayerS if all of this rubbish happens and all these kids that he mentored and cared for suddenly all stop trusting him. What's sad is how most of the team quickly believed the manager. If I were a player in the team, I'd have still placed my trust on the people that created the team rather than someone who just went in there and suddenly got a hold of everything. In fact, I'd be more suspicious about the manager who's doing the accusing. Anyway, it's sad to see Puzzle, Min and CoCa switch over to LoL as they're very talented SCII players, but they had very good reasons to switch over, so there's no helping it. As for the rest though, I hope they manage to find teams and aren't getting bullied by other players anymore. Also, Startale's head coach is a humongous douche bag. I hope he gets what he deserves in the future. Isn't ST cash strapped? Would explain why they were so concerned about boycott and NASL paying for trips. If SlayerS set the standard for sponsorship, that would be bad for most of the ESF teams. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:28 Penev wrote: It would be nice if someone would investigate the "esf telling teams to tell their players to not practice with slayers" part. That's the worst part for me. I think it's what ruined the players' mindsets and brought this all to a head. | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:10 red4ce wrote: I blame foreign money. Boxer's generation built up the BW proscene from the ground up, it was all or nothing. These SC2 kids, they see players in foreign countries half as good as them making twice the money even though Starcraft is supposedly Korea's game. In that regard it isn't too surprising to see MMA, Alicia and Crank act the way they did. Just my own thoughts, I know ESF teams are in bad places financially but from what I know, KESPA players earn quite the boatload. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:32 masterbreti wrote: I think the really horrible part here is that if MMA says that Jessica was Lying, Then people will believe MMA just because. The fact is that People won't believe Jessica because for some reason they don't like her. She has tried her best under all these circumstances. I know for a fact most of what she is saying is true, not only from speaking to SlayerS players, but from talking to other ESF players and their relationship with the SlayerS players. Jessica has been fairly truthful about everything. But people people want to not Believe what Jessica says, they will follow whatever MMA says because thats how they are. That depresses me more than anything really. if you got so much insights, you could give a more concrete hint of wether the bullying thing is true. Since it would be really concerning if there was a systematical bullying in the korean SC2 scene... | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:35 TeeTS wrote: if you got so much insights, you could give a more concrete hint of wether the bullying thing is true. Since it would be really concerning if there was a systematical bullying in the korean SC2 scene... I would want his source more than anything else, and also, was it during the SC2con days, or far after it? | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
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Khaozz
Brazil15 Posts
Hope the best for Jessica, Boxer and the players. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:35 silent_owl wrote: Just my own thoughts, I know ESF teams are in bad places financially but from what I know, KESPA players earn quite the boatload. Not when Boxer started. But later on, BW grew and teams got more financial support. | ||
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bsdaemon
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florious80
United States17 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:32 masterbreti wrote: I think the really horrible part here is that if MMA says that Jessica was Lying, Then people will believe MMA just because. The fact is that People won't believe Jessica because for some reason they don't like her. She has tried her best under all these circumstances. I know for a fact most of what she is saying is true, not only from speaking to SlayerS players, but from talking to other ESF players and their relationship with the SlayerS players. Jessica has been fairly truthful about everything. But people people want to not Believe what Jessica says, they will follow whatever MMA says because thats how they are. That depresses me more than anything really. There is to many incidents to believe what Jessica is saying is the truth. Yea if one or 2 players had a problem with her then it might be the same but reading about all these problems it seems unlikely Jessica wasn't the main course for this. | ||
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Senros
54 Posts
This makes me super sad....reading the forum post now I feel really bad for BoxeR and Jessica, no one seemed to respect the time, passion and effort they were putting in. That's a real shame. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:35 silent_owl wrote: Just my own thoughts, I know ESF teams are in bad places financially but from what I know, KESPA players earn quite the boatload. Very very few. Majority of them barely earn minimum wage | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:37 florious80 wrote: I think it boils down to did the players get their cut of the money? If they got what was stated in their contract, they should shut up and practice hard, like a true professional. If they didn't then Jessica's story makes no difference, because then she really did embazzled the money. All the other stuff about players means very little, with the hearsay and what not. Players/manager should just do what they are supposed to, as per their contract. The way she painted the players is that they are immature and believed in lies. Were those really lies? If Jessica really didn't take money and the players got their stated cut, then I would think twice ever picking these immature/unprofessional players up. Well, there was a conman involved after all and conmen can be very persuasive. These players are just teenagers after all. I think it was the hiring of the manager which was the mistake. | ||
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
Is this the time to lose faith in Korean culture? Is this representative of their culture? I surely hope not, but I don't know what else to think. | ||
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