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With Mvp set to play in a record sixth GSL final this Saturday, surpassing his own previous record, I've published an article entitled "The 13 feats of Mvp" outlining and ordering the Incredible Miracle Terran's greatest feats in competitive StarCraft 2.
With four GSL titles to his name, numerous other trophes (MLG Anaheim, IEM VII Cologne, WCG 2011, BlizzCon 2011) and an incredible record of deep runs in the GSL's top division there was plenty to choose from in creating the list.
On Mvp's 2011 GSL Code S January run:
2011's GSL Code S January was the first ever season of GSL to labelled "Code S" and, around four months after his switch to SC2, would be the genesis point of Mvp's rise to the crown of the world's best player. Mvp was utterly dominant as he went a staggering 16:1 in maps en route to claiming his first GSL title, and the first for a Terran. The only player to take a map from him was team-mate NesTea, the champion of two seasons before, in a semi-final which went 3:1 to Mvp. Against TricKster in the quarter-final and MarineKing in the final Mvp swept his opponents out of the server. The latter even came in with finals experience, having lost to the aforementioned NesTea in the finals of Open Season 2, but it helped him little against Mvp's might.
Becoming the first to reach back-to-back GSL finals:
Everyone seemed ready to crown Mvp the first ever back-to-back and four time GSL champion. There would be a twist for this season of GSL though: the final would be held at BlizzCon. Instead of being the usual affair in South Korea this GSL final would be played in front of a North American audience at the same event Mvp would compete in as a representative of Korea. MMA stunned the world, handling Mvp 4:1 to snatch away that back-to-back title. Still, Mvp had been the first, and thus far only, player to reach back-to-back GSL finals. When one considers the number of GSL champions who have bombed out of the following season early, sometimes even to Code A, that stands as an accomplishment in its own right.
The incredible record he has against team-mate and three time GSL champion NesTea:
In Korea NesTea has only managed to beat Mvp in one series, beating him in the winner's match of their Ro32 group in the 2012 GSL Code S Season 1. Mvp set the stage with his dominant 3:0 in the Gainward tournament in late 2010 and never looked back, knocking NesTea out of three GSL Code S tournaments in 2011. To put that in context: of the nine GSL Code S/equivalent tournaments in 2011 NesTea won two of them and was knocked out of three others by Mvp, who won all but one of those tournaments subsequently. On two of those occasions NesTea was knocked out by Mvp in the quarter-final or better.
The entire article can be read at Team Acer.
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Feel free to debate anything that should/shouldn't have been on the list, and which you'd have had in a different order.
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We are lucky to have a player like him on our side, the Terran side! This guy is such an inspiration, he just defies logic every time he plays. I'm sure every player feels like this though, not just terrans.
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Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
So is Heart, but you don't see anything coming out of him.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
short games? lol
when was the last time u watched his game?
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
is this a troll?
you probably haven't seen his latest games, or any at all really. the only time you probably watched him play was his last game against Squirtle two season finals ago.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
umm... I remember his TvZ's going into uber late game with ravens and all that good shit. There is never a short game with ravens.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
You're a disgrace you know that? Go look at his most recent games.
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On October 15 2012 03:57 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. So is Heart, but you don't see anything coming out of him.
Well, for one people don't make stupid threads comparing him to Hercules.
Also I guess I really hit a nerve with the MVP fans, guess it's a bit demotivating if your races best player is a hardcore cheeser.
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I feel you could have rolled his January 2011 into one awesome achievement since he won the big Gainward tournament (just after r32 of the Jan code S) only dropping a single map there too.
yugioh 2-0
stc 2-0
nada 2-0
MKP 3-1
Nestea 3-0
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
One of the worst trolls ever.
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On October 15 2012 04:08 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. One of the worst trolls ever.
I don't think you understand what trolling is.
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On October 15 2012 04:08 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. One of the worst trolls ever.
Or a bitter Naniwa fan...
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On October 15 2012 03:59 Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. is this a troll? you probably haven't seen his latest games, or any at all really. the only time you probably watched him play was his last game against Squirtle two season finals ago.
Calling that a boring game is an insult.
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On October 15 2012 04:01 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. umm... I remember his TvZ's going into uber late game with ravens and all that good shit. There is never a short game with ravens.
1/1/1 with banshee + ravens? But that's TvP... different matchup entirely.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
do you even watch him at all?
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On October 15 2012 04:10 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:08 ES.Genie wrote:On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. One of the worst trolls ever. I don't think you understand what trolling is.
Scootaloo is a definition of troll.
Really what was the last time you watched MVP's games anyway? MVP vs Rain was a macro fest from game 2-5. The first game obviously just a testing water game and it was still on 2 bases.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
You don't understand the beauty of this game is you think the longer the better
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On October 15 2012 04:06 Scootaloo wrote:
MVP is a hardcore cheeser.
You are a hardcore bad troll.
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14. Has really nice hair.
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I was sort of hoping for a video tribute of MVP's 13 MVP plays in his history, but this is ok too
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On October 15 2012 03:38 Thorin wrote:
Feel free to debate anything that should/shouldn't have been on the list, and which you'd have had in a different order.
For #5, you said that MMA made a previous championship and lost 4-0 to polt, it should be the GSL Super Tournament not world championship.
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On October 15 2012 04:20 StaplerPhone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:38 Thorin wrote:
Feel free to debate anything that should/shouldn't have been on the list, and which you'd have had in a different order. For #5, you said that MMA made a previous championship and lost 4-0 to polt, it should be the GSL Super Tournament not world championship.
also ganzi took out mvp in the super tournament not the wc
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
Looks like you were having an opinion there mate, that shit doesn't fly around here.
User was warned for this post
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MVP has truly outlasted them all. He's the greatest
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On October 15 2012 04:32 Bagration wrote:
MVP has truly outlasted them all. He's the greatest
No doubt, WoL is MVP's bitch.
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My ranking of MVP's championships
1. 2012 GSL season 2 - From a balance perspective it was the best run since Fruitdealer in the first GSL. MVP's worst matchup against 3 of the top 5 protoss at the time and all of them living under one roof to boot.
2. 2011 GSL August - Polt, MC, Nestea, Huk, July, TOP. That gauntlet of challengers had 9 championships and something to the tune of $450k in winnings at the time . His mass ghost strategy against Julyzerg was the catalyst for the snipe nerf. If TOP weren't such a pushover it might have been worthy of #1.
3. MLG Anaheim - Took down DRG and MMA. Nuff said.
4. IEM VII Cologne - Sure they were foreigners but the 3 patchzergs MVP beat had taken down the rest of the Koreans at this event. The icing on the cake is that MVP's performance in this event single handedly prevented terrans from getting a raven buff.
5. 2011 GSL January -16W 1L is impressive but MVP didn't actually play anyone good until the semifinals. The field in this GSL was pretty much the weakest ever due to players being seeded in rather than qualifying.
6. GSL world champ - Huk, July, San, Marineking. Decent but not particularly monstrous lineup to beat. MVP benefited from this tournament not having a group stage, which MVP tends not to do as well in.
7. Blizzcon - A bunch of ezpz foreigners with the only significant resistance coming from Nestea. The one impressive part about this was that the finals happened the day after MVP had lost to MMA in the code S finals but MVP was able to recover mentally in time.
8. WCG 2011 - The WCG name carries weight due to its history but this was MVP's least challenging championship since he didn't have to play anyone who was a real threat.
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could add on there he single handedly got Ghosts nerfed haha
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On October 15 2012 04:27 SaWse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Looks like you were having an opinion there mate, that shit doesn't fly around here.
It's not an opionion, it was just plain wrong. Everyone who followed Mvp just a tiny little bit knows, that he is not a "hardcore chesser". You are free to think whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that this insult is not true.
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On October 15 2012 04:27 SaWse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Looks like you were having an opinion there mate, that shit doesn't fly around here.
As TL always says, leave modding to mods, if you have complaints, take them to the website feedback thread
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On October 15 2012 04:27 SaWse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Looks like you were having an opinion there mate, that shit doesn't fly around here.
You need to look up what an opinion means.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
yea, i agree
they should announce 20 minutes no rush games during game.
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On October 15 2012 04:04 NoGasfOu wrote:
Feat #1: Handsome
Fixed!  And go MVP!
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On October 15 2012 04:46 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:27 SaWse wrote:On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Looks like you were having an opinion there mate, that shit doesn't fly around here. You need to look up what an opinion means.
In general, an opinion is a subjective belief, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts. An opinion may be supported by an argument, although people may draw opposing opinions from the same set of facts.
Maybe you have to, but because I'm a nice guy I'll copy paste it.
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On October 15 2012 04:18 eviltomahawk wrote:
14. Has really nice hair.
15. He has a great girlfriend.
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On October 15 2012 04:27 SaWse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Looks like you were having an opinion there mate, that shit doesn't fly around here.
It's fine to have an opinion but he was a dick about the way he said it. Jesus you are silly.
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I became a huge huge MVP fan watching him in 2011 before his first championship. It just seemed like he was on a whole other level of understanding. We used to call him the game genie terran because it seemed like he always timed his attacks perfectly with right before his opponent was ready, got defensive right at the perfect moment, and always knew where his opponent was and what he was doing. it was incredible! I idolized him as a terran hero and I've been so proud to be his fan ever since.
LGIM MVP FIGHTING!
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On October 15 2012 04:20 StaplerPhone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:38 Thorin wrote:
Feel free to debate anything that should/shouldn't have been on the list, and which you'd have had in a different order. For #5, you said that MMA made a previous championship and lost 4-0 to polt, it should be the GSL Super Tournament not world championship.
On October 15 2012 04:23 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:20 StaplerPhone wrote:On October 15 2012 03:38 Thorin wrote:
Feel free to debate anything that should/shouldn't have been on the list, and which you'd have had in a different order. For #5, you said that MMA made a previous championship and lost 4-0 to polt, it should be the GSL Super Tournament not world championship. also ganzi took out mvp in the super tournament not the wc
Thanks, kept mixing those two tournaments up for some reason.
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On October 15 2012 04:57 markrevival wrote:
I became a huge huge MVP fan watching him in 2011 before his first championship. It just seemed like he was on a whole other level of understanding. We used to call him the game genie terran because it seemed like he always timed his attacks perfectly with right before his opponent was ready, got defensive right at the perfect moment, and always knew where his opponent was and what he was doing. it was incredible! I idolized him as a terran hero and I've been so proud to be his fan ever since.
LGIM MVP FIGHTING!
Yeah same. That game vs Hyperdub on Metalopolis...
Poor Hyperdub never stood a chance, it was like 5 base vs 2 base, and he had no idea.
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On October 15 2012 05:02 Thorin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:20 StaplerPhone wrote:On October 15 2012 03:38 Thorin wrote:
Feel free to debate anything that should/shouldn't have been on the list, and which you'd have had in a different order. For #5, you said that MMA made a previous championship and lost 4-0 to polt, it should be the GSL Super Tournament not world championship. Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:23 aRyuujin wrote:On October 15 2012 04:20 StaplerPhone wrote:On October 15 2012 03:38 Thorin wrote:
Feel free to debate anything that should/shouldn't have been on the list, and which you'd have had in a different order. For #5, you said that MMA made a previous championship and lost 4-0 to polt, it should be the GSL Super Tournament not world championship. also ganzi took out mvp in the super tournament not the wc Thanks, kept mixing those two tournaments up for some reason.
No problem! Great write up by the way (:
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
Sorry but why does this deserve a ban? It's an opinion of Mvp in an Mvp thread. And it is true that half his games have been cheesey.
User was warned for this post
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On October 15 2012 05:11 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Sorry but why does this deserve a ban? It's an opinion of Mvp in an Mvp thread. And it is true that half his games have been cheesey.
In a sense it's an opinion, but given that it's an actually retarded and plain wrong opinion, I don't think TL is missing on anything by giving this dude a time out. MVP is the best player in sc2, he wouldn't have achieved that by just being a cheeser, to get to such a high level you need to be a complete player, which he is.In short, stop being butthurt because your protoss idols can't win against him.
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On October 15 2012 05:20 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:11 Dakure wrote:On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Sorry but why does this deserve a ban? It's an opinion of Mvp in an Mvp thread. And it is true that half his games have been cheesey. In a sense it's an opinion, but given that it's an actually retarded and plain wrong opinion, I don't think TL is missing on anything by giving this dude a time out. MVP is the best player in sc2, he wouldn't have achieved that by just being a cheeser, to get to such a high level you need to be a complete player, which he is.In short, stop being butthurt because your protoss idols can't win against him.
Even if it's an opinion, that opinion can only generate hurtful comments and bring the discussion off-topic. After all, who would enjoy spending time writing an article about Mvp's 13 accomplishments, only to have the thread devolve into useless Mvp bashing and Mvp defending wars?
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over hyped comes and goes, mvp just being MVP.
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make it 14 feats up coming saturday 
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On October 15 2012 05:11 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Sorry but why does this deserve a ban? It's an opinion of Mvp in an Mvp thread. And it is true that half his games have been cheesey.
He probably had mod action taken against him previously for picking fights with other users. You have to admit, that opinion is basically asking for an argument from anyone who remotely supports MVP.
Edit: From another thread.
On October 02 2012 09:15 Scootaloo wrote:
Actually, with their wording, torrenting, which makes up for a large segment of downloads, could easily be considered uploading, same for a lot of other peer to peer programs, not that I can assume you know anything about downloading ofcourse.
Also good to know you'd have no problem to sit in jail for 2 years or lose everything you ever made.
I'd make a comment about how stupid you must feel but you'd need some self reflection to know what I was even talking about, which the whole "piracy is wrong" argument made clear you lack.
Edit: editing in your white flag secretly eh?
But sure, run away, it was clear when you where having your whole "downloading is wrong but not if I do it" rant you had no idea what the hell you where talking about anyway.
User was warned for having a history of getting into fights/talking down to other posters.
Mods usually have a reason for bans.
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I do not consider Nestea SC2's second greatest name. He may won 3 GSL titles, but other than that, he hasn't shown many results. MC may only won two GSLs but he got several foreign trophys, high placings and a winning record against Nestea in GSL (though they haven't faced often).
I know this had edotorial reasons, making MVP appear even stronger, but I do not believe it's the truth
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On October 15 2012 05:11 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. Sorry but why does this deserve a ban? It's an opinion of Mvp in an Mvp thread. And it is true that half his games have been cheesey.
Do you honestly need an explanation?
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Thorin, Mvp is awesome and you've done a good job writing up his achievements, but did you forget that NesTea was the first player to reach back-to-back Code S finals and the first to win three GSLs? He won 2010 GSL2, 2011 GSL May, and 2011 GSL July. Granted, the Super Tournament happened between GSL May and GSL July, so if you count that against NesTea, he doesn't have back-to-back finals, but if you don't, he has back-to-back GSL championships, which Mvp hasn't even done.
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On October 15 2012 05:55 lavosprime wrote:
Thorin, Mvp is awesome and you've done a good job writing up his achievements, but did you forget that NesTea was the first player to reach back-to-back Code S finals and the first to win three GSLs? He won 2010 GSL2, 2011 GSL May, and 2011 GSL July. Granted, the Super Tournament happened between GSL May and GSL July, so if you count that against NesTea, he doesn't have back-to-back finals, but if you don't, he has back-to-back GSL championships, which Mvp hasn't even done.
The super tournament counts very much as it was, to that date, the toughest GSL tournament , so no, Nestea doesn't have back-to-back finals.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
WOW! What games of him have you watched? All his games recently are well planned and long
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cool article. this is the type of content i enjoy.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
Why people still get hyped about the most decorated SC2 player of all time? Hm. That's a pretty hard one, isn't it?
You should take a second or several and just think about starcraft for a while.
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On October 15 2012 06:07 Ace1123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. WOW! What games of him have you watched? All his games recently are well planned and long
bad troll is bad and he has a good amount of temps/warning for his post count.
Waiting for the feat "comeback after treating his pain injury hopefully"
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This can also be titled
"Why MVP? Why?"
by - Nestea
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On October 15 2012 06:20 jcroisdale wrote:
This can also be titled
"Why MVP? Why?"
by - Nestea
Pissing Mvp off by winning his 3rd GSL before him was not the smartest decision God ever made.
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I liked the article.
But two critiques:
1. Some of your points are drawn out and trivial, and sometimes it isnt clear why one thing is better than the other.
2. I want game information. You could of highlighted so many of those finals and semifinals if you wrote a little about the game. No, it is not sufficient to say that Nestea lost to mvp at blizzcon. What about the ridiculous armies of nestea and the nukes and the snipers and the bane bombs....elaborate.
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Truly deserving of being called a bonjwa, and I hope he finally earns it.
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On October 15 2012 04:01 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. umm... I remember his TvZ's going into uber late game with ravens and all that good shit. There is never a short game with ravens.
Alive vs MMA (?) in GSL
1 base raven push on dual sight
obviously not what you're talkin' about, but funny to think of anyways. :p
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On October 15 2012 06:37 saladToss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:01 LgNKami wrote:On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. umm... I remember his TvZ's going into uber late game with ravens and all that good shit. There is never a short game with ravens. Alive vs MMA (?) in GSL 1 base raven push on dual sight obviously not what you're talkin' about, but funny to think of anyways. :p
That game was hilarious. Reminds me when some ppl were trying SK terran style /w auto turrets and building armor :D
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#1: Beat God Young Ho in BW
Where is this one? I mean beating Flash is a recipe for SC2 Bonjwa!
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Playing MVP is like match fixing for charity, you know you'll lose and you don't get the money.
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On October 15 2012 06:58 Enearde wrote:
Playing MVP is like match fixing for charity, you know you'll lose and you don't get the money.
LOL!
Also great thread and the second comment is an unbelievable stupid insult on MVP by a person with no clue of this game whatsoever.
I think MVP will win his 5th GSL and everybody will have to accept that he's an absolut StarCraft II Legend.
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On October 15 2012 04:54 Entirety wrote:15. He has a great girlfriend.
16. Best smile in esports
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On October 15 2012 06:13 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 06:07 Ace1123 wrote:On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post. WOW! What games of him have you watched? All his games recently are well planned and long bad troll is bad and he has a good amount of temps/warning for his post count. Waiting for the feat "comeback after treating his pain injury hopefully"
Hard to make a comeback if ur on top even while injured :p. But it's going to be real fun to see how he'll do if his injuries heal.
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On October 15 2012 06:05 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 05:55 lavosprime wrote:
Thorin, Mvp is awesome and you've done a good job writing up his achievements, but did you forget that NesTea was the first player to reach back-to-back Code S finals and the first to win three GSLs? He won 2010 GSL2, 2011 GSL May, and 2011 GSL July. Granted, the Super Tournament happened between GSL May and GSL July, so if you count that against NesTea, he doesn't have back-to-back finals, but if you don't, he has back-to-back GSL championships, which Mvp hasn't even done. The super tournament counts very much as it was, to that date, the toughest GSL tournament , so no, Nestea doesn't have back-to-back finals.
The article specifically says "back-to-back GSL Code S finals," and since the Super Tournament was not Code S, NesTea still qualifies as having done that before Mvp. At the time, a lot of people only counted NesTea's May/July Code S games when talking about his ridiculous winning streak. I wonder whether the community would have paid more attention to the Super Tournament if someone else had won it. Poor Polt 
If Thorin does mean what you're saying, then that's careless phrasing on his part.
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On October 15 2012 04:35 ES.Genie wrote:
he is not a "hardcore chesser".
I actually think chesser is a proper description. It's like, check mate every time he plays.
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Nice write up. I think that all these feats are certainly notable, but his biggest feat by far is that Blizzard balances the entire game around a single player only, MVP, and not around the race he plays.
Just think about what the game would be like if MVP didn't exist?
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
Probably Swedish.
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On October 15 2012 09:48 Netsky wrote:
Nice write up. I think that all these feats are certainly notable, but his biggest feat by far is that Blizzard balances the entire game around a single player only, MVP, and not around the race he plays.
Just think about what the game would be like if MVP didn't exist?
Here's a better question:
Just think about how many GSL championships Mvp would have if Blizzard hadn't nerfed Terran for him.
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Raised in poor family and made enough money playing Starcraft II to buy his parents a house.
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On October 15 2012 07:20 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:54 Entirety wrote:On October 15 2012 04:18 eviltomahawk wrote:
14. Has really nice hair. 15. He has a great girlfriend. 16. Best smile in esports
17. Wins when expected to, wins when expected not to
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
How about you actually watch his recent games before making yourself look like an idiot.
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If he wins a 5th title, I'm using the "B" word.
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On October 15 2012 13:51 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 07:20 Dodgin wrote:On October 15 2012 04:54 Entirety wrote:On October 15 2012 04:18 eviltomahawk wrote:
14. Has really nice hair. 15. He has a great girlfriend. 16. Best smile in esports 17. Wins when expected to, wins when expected not to
18. Open mouth style.
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I don't really consider the WC an equal title, it was mostly a foreigner bash. The Code S titles are really impressive, however.
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On October 15 2012 15:07 rift wrote:
I don't really consider the WC an equal title, it was mostly a foreigner bash. The Code S titles are really impressive, however.
Mvp actually only played Korean players and HuK ( who would end up being Code S for about 7 months in a row later in the year ) so his road was the toughest by far, but yes it had a weaker field.
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On October 15 2012 15:52 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 15:07 rift wrote:
I don't really consider the WC an equal title, it was mostly a foreigner bash. The Code S titles are really impressive, however. Mvp actually only played Korean players and HuK ( who would end up being Code S for about 7 months in a row later in the year ) so his road was the toughest by far, but yes it had a weaker field.
while the field was weaker, it was a more difficult path than what Nestea had in his one run in Code S.
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On October 15 2012 13:51 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 07:20 Dodgin wrote:On October 15 2012 04:54 Entirety wrote:On October 15 2012 04:18 eviltomahawk wrote:
14. Has really nice hair. 15. He has a great girlfriend. 16. Best smile in esports 17. Wins when expected to, wins when expected not to
Tbh if you don't expect Mvp to win, you don't know much about StarCraft II!
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I want to say, as a journalist I feel ashamed that you have allowed your fanboyism for MvP to get in the way of the facts.
Nestea was the 1st to achieve and actually win back to back GSL titles, before 2011 Blizzcon..
In May and July. He also achieved it without dropping a map in an entire season.
Also, on what basis are you calling Nestea SC2's second greatest name? You don't explain how you arrived at that. If anything, I would say MC is the seconds greatest, if not the greatest player (although one could argue that MvP will surpass him in earnings if he wins this season)
http://sc2earnings.com/
You list his MLG win as a massive feat, and then within the same paragraph, imply that this feat shouldn't be there.
What is the "Gainward tournament"? Is the G not supposed to be capitalized, or is the T supposed to be capitalized?
Good luck for future articles, work on the aspect that the reader doesn't quite know 100% what you are talking about, and remember to check spelling and grammar. Editors only can do so much.
Also, 13 is an odd number to use, you maybe should have cut it down to 10, left out MLG, or combined it with IEM, used the semi-finals in the same point as 2 paragraphs, and tried to keep each point at about the same length, probably 2 paragraphs.
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Impressive. well deserved accolades he is getting.
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On October 15 2012 16:58 Arachne wrote:Also, on what basis are you calling Nestea SC2's second greatest name? You don't explain how you arrived at that. If anything, I would say MC is the seconds greatest, if not the greatest player (although one could argue that MvP will surpass him in earnings if he wins this season) http://sc2earnings.com/
I don't think you can take earnings to compare skill level between two players. Of course MC is a very good and accomplished player but in terms of skill i would always favor MVP because he won the GSL Code S twice as much as MC and was in twice as much finals. He won pretty much every foreign tourneys he entered in...it's a pretty accurate mesurement of skill level, if you win 70% of the tournament you entered in you're probably better than the guy who only win 60% even if the guy won 15 tournaments and you "only" won 8 or 9 (with a good sample size tho, if you only entered 1 and won it, i won't say you are better than the guy who won 15 and entered 20). You can earn quite a lot of money winning a foreign tourney without even having so much trouble because your opponents aren't as good as in the GSL and no foreign tourney come close to the overall skill level of GSL Code S.
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On October 15 2012 16:58 Arachne wrote:I want to say, as a journalist I feel ashamed that you have allowed your fanboyism for MvP to get in the way of the facts. Nestea was the 1st to achieve and actually win back to back GSL titles, before 2011 Blizzcon.. In May and July. He also achieved it without dropping a map in an entire season. Also, on what basis are you calling Nestea SC2's second greatest name? You don't explain how you arrived at that. If anything, I would say MC is the seconds greatest, if not the greatest player (although one could argue that MvP will surpass him in earnings if he wins this season) http://sc2earnings.com/You list his MLG win as a massive feat, and then within the same paragraph, imply that this feat shouldn't be there. What is the "Gainward tournament"? Is the G not supposed to be capitalized, or is the T supposed to be capitalized? Good luck for future articles, work on the aspect that the reader doesn't quite know 100% what you are talking about, and remember to check spelling and grammar. Editors only can do so much. Also, 13 is an odd number to use, you maybe should have cut it down to 10, left out MLG, or combined it with IEM, used the semi-finals in the same point as 2 paragraphs, and tried to keep each point at about the same length, probably 2 paragraphs.
I have to say, that you are being massively picky and actually flat out wrong. Complaining at the number that he used? He tried to post all of the great achievements that MVP has, i want to know how many there are, not whether it is a nice round number.
As for saying that Nestea was the first to win back to back GSL titles. You are wrong again. The super tournament took place between May and July. The super tournament is considered a GSL. Even if you wanted to talk about Code S tournaments (which isn't what the writer said), to criticise him on it seems entirely unwarranted.
As for what you are saying about MLG, he states what is most impressive is the fact that winning an MLG is for MVP unimpressive.
Not knowing what the gainward tournament is isn't the writer's failing, it is yours. Don't criticise him on it. I didn't know what it was either, and now i do i could look it up if i wanted.
As for who is the second most successful player, sure, there is an argument to be made for it not being Nestea, and MC seems a good choice, but GSLs are considered the crowning achievement of a SC2 player, so it is absolutely fair for him to use Nestea who has the second largest number of titles, as well as being the first to make it to 3 if i recall correctly.
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Really nice article, i very much enjoyed it, and it truly puts to rest any question about who the most successful sc2 player is.
Edit: The gainward tournament courtesy of the great LP:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Gainward_SC2_Tournament
Which if you take a look at the names was actually ridiculously high level for the time.
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The guy better wins the finals. I got all my liquidbet monies on him.
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On October 15 2012 16:58 Arachne wrote:I want to say, as a journalist I feel ashamed that you have allowed your fanboyism for MvP to get in the way of the facts. Nestea was the 1st to achieve and actually win back to back GSL titles, before 2011 Blizzcon.. In May and July. He also achieved it without dropping a map in an entire season. Also, on what basis are you calling Nestea SC2's second greatest name? You don't explain how you arrived at that. If anything, I would say MC is the seconds greatest, if not the greatest player (although one could argue that MvP will surpass him in earnings if he wins this season) http://sc2earnings.com/You list his MLG win as a massive feat, and then within the same paragraph, imply that this feat shouldn't be there. What is the "Gainward tournament"? Is the G not supposed to be capitalized, or is the T supposed to be capitalized? Good luck for future articles, work on the aspect that the reader doesn't quite know 100% what you are talking about, and remember to check spelling and grammar. Editors only can do so much. Also, 13 is an odd number to use, you maybe should have cut it down to 10, left out MLG, or combined it with IEM, used the semi-finals in the same point as 2 paragraphs, and tried to keep each point at about the same length, probably 2 paragraphs.
Another anti-fan who can't... DEAL WITH IT!
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On October 15 2012 15:57 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 15:52 Dodgin wrote:On October 15 2012 15:07 rift wrote:
I don't really consider the WC an equal title, it was mostly a foreigner bash. The Code S titles are really impressive, however. Mvp actually only played Korean players and HuK ( who would end up being Code S for about 7 months in a row later in the year ) so his road was the toughest by far, but yes it had a weaker field. while the field was weaker, it was a more difficult path than what Nestea had in his one run in Code S.
HuK, July, San, MKP vs July, Ensnare, Coca, HongUn, Losira/Jinro, FD, anypro, sC and Inca. I'd consider the World Championships at least as hard as both of NesTea's Code S wins.
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On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games.
User was temp banned for this post.
Bashing on the best player in the world...... look what that got you.
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On October 15 2012 04:10 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 04:08 ES.Genie wrote:On October 15 2012 03:55 Scootaloo wrote:
Really don't know why people still get hyped about him, these days he's just a hardcore cheeser, i.e. short, boring games. One of the worst trolls ever. I don't think you understand what trolling is.
I don't think anyone should take this guy seriously. He only joined in 2012.. MVP been winning everything before he even touched SC2 until this year. Obviously some butt hurt protoss fanboy who watched MVP slaughter all his favorite players..
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On October 15 2012 14:56 densha wrote:
If he wins a 5th title, I'm using the "B" word.
Agreed. There's absolutely no one else that would deserve the first mention of said word than MVP.
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