On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote: I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
On October 14 2012 03:08 Liquid`Ret wrote: This drama is so unnessecary, the MoW house is a really good house for getting better at the game. Sure the food isnt GREAT, but it can be fixed. And almost every gamer I know eats almost exclusively crap anyways.
Well said jos. But sometimes you have to agree that certain subjects needs to be discussed in a "well-manner" to make things better. Like if someone never speaks up or say anything about the issues people are feeling.. then nothing is ever going to change but yeah ur right it really is unnecessary for this to carry on. Guys just let the players that lives in the house talk with the head master of MoW and work this out.
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote: I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..
Haha, you corrected from Jewism to Judaism, but now it doesn't relate to the other posts :D
Edit : Desrow might be the real life Cartman, come to think about it
Hey man, I don;t know anything about it, I googled my incorrect spelling, and Judaism came up, lol
The way we were treated at ministry of win was pretty lack luster from the managers side, when I was staying in the house they had parties and neglected those who actually were there to improve. After snute and cytoplasm left they probably decided the players that were there wasnt important enough to care about, I remember going out to McDonalds almost every night just because i was so hungry due to the small amount of food we got served. The boss (maciej or something like that) is kinda a douche, he doesnt really care about the players or creating a good image for esports in general, hes all about the money and has proved that countless of times. I had to leave after a two week period due to the low quality of living standards that they had there(or maybe im just picky) but i had to get out. As to those who live there right now, i feel bad for you guys, you definately deserve a better place to be, the house would be so much better if they replace the boss, this is not an option though since you cant really kick him from the house as he is the one running the place. Im just really glad i have nothing to do with the place anymore ^ -Noticimus Edit! He woke us up a few times in the middle of the night when he came back from drinking or parties or something, yelling something in polish. (he was drunk) Edit #2 After one of the parties they actually asked the players if they could borrow money to fund electricity bill for a month, they probably used their budget on sausages and alcohol(there was a lot of alcohol)
I wasn't going to post anything negative, but "boss" is getting a bit ridiculous. In the previous thread that Fuzer made I went in trying to answer peoples questions and think with a level head about the situation. I never actually posted anything about my experience at the house.
To start things off I'd like to go back a bit. I was one of the first players accepted to participate in the MoW house back in January. I was told that we would have contracts signed and we would be able to book our flights for March 4th - 5th. They seemed very convinced they would be ready for us to do so, so I put in my 2 weeks at work and prepared for the move. Before I booked my ticket I messaged "boss" again to confirm and he had told me that there were problems with the house and they were backing it up 2 weeks. With such indesicion I didn't want to get myself another job and just quit again in 2 weeks. These "delays" happened for 3 more months.. We didn't officially move in until May 19th. I had to live that entire time on the savings that I was putting away for MoW. They couldn't actually tell anyone the truth, They kept making up silly lies.. They even told us that Grubby was going to be living with us to keep our interest, I asked Grubby himself and he said they hadn't even talked to him about it.
Moving forward, I've moved into the house and I get myself settled in.
From the very beginning it was a cluster fuck. I arrived without a computer set up, They didn't have SC2 loaded on any new machine, None were set up in English, The computers we were promised were "delayed" (I'll talk about this more later on) so they had to rent all the computers. They couldn't run SC2 on ultra like we were promised, If we streamed at all we would have to run everything as low as possible with terrible lag. They still expected us to get our minimum streaming hours during this time as well. The internet had very bad connection problems, It seemed to always go down right before EU playhem would start, Sometimes forcing everyone in the house to forfeit or being very late and frustrated going into their first games. So to sum things up, Our equipment wasn't anything close to what we were promised prior to moving in.
The food issue has been known, and talked about since before I even moved into the house. We constantly tried to come up with solutions to the problem, Which of course all required uping the budget per player which they didn't seem to want to do. At times, Players would barely eat if they were late to dinner. If they started a game when dinner was served, If the plates weren't already set (they sometimes set up a small buffet) they wouldn't get into the dinning room in time and there wouldn't be much left. We lived off bread and cereal.. For how much we were paying to live there per month every player shouldn't have to worry about EVER being hungry, Which it seemed we always were. Going to bed hungry suuucckkkeeedd..
Boss himself is money hungry, Everything they do was about money and not giving a fuck about the players. When I had to leave I was only 15 days in, My uncle was diagnosed with lung cancer with a slim chance to make it past treatments. I had to leave to be with him. Before I left I was told I had to pay 1250 PLN, Half of the 2500 monthly fee since I was only there half a month. I agreed with this and told them I would get the bank info when I landed and send it in the morning. When I got home and got onto skype, they told me that I actually owed them 2500 PLN and I had to pay it in full because I already signed the contract. I told them that was bullshit and I'll give them the 1250 PLN and that's it. They simply wouldn't accept it. I deleted them off skype and haven't heard from them until today. They're now trying to charge me and additional 1500 PLN ontop of the 2500 PLN because I did not pay. I once again told him that I wouldn't be paying more than 1250 PLN and if they continue to try and bully it out of me they won't be getting anything.
I got a little off track, but I'm not done! =P
Back to the computers real quick. We were told that the polish company shipping them made a mistake and that is the reason they're taking so long, when in fact the maid had let us know that wasn't the case. Boss had forgotten to send the proper paperwork to the investor to get the computers paid for, Which resulted in the computers being 46 days late.. They entire time we were expected to play on computers that would randomly restart, The sound would randomly cut out requiring a restart, We couldn't stream and practice properly but were required to meet a monthly quota. Once during lunch Cyto made a comment about the computers taking so long was a joke and boss threatened to kick him out of the house and anyone else who had a problem with it could leave as well.
Sorry for the bad grammar and randomness of my paragraphs, It's late and I haven't slept much but wanted to get it out before I went to bed. Boss is a money hungry douchebag that shouldn't be in charge of such a project. He's such an asshole his partner (who was level headed, and actually cared about making sure the players were taken cared of ) couldn't stand him and left.
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote: I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..
... it is both.
Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.
"Jew is a funny word because it's the only word that is the polite thing to call a group of people, and the slur for the same group! Most groups have a good and a bad... theirs is the same word, just with a little stank on it, and it becomes a terrible thing to call a person."
And people calling "Jew" a racist slur (with that stank), ethnicity != race.
In the end , it's the player's choice; it's good that information like this pops up so the next people that want to go there might think twice about it . They should insist that they detail all the details concerning their meals and other issues in their contract, and problems such as this one shouldn't really appear ( I think ) . I'm just curious when players like Titan or Morrow ( one of the most hard working ones there) will leave the house , will they say they improved by staying there .. if not, then it's probably not worth it .
Wtf with the pejorative "jews"? Disappointed in desrow and can't say about MoW because I don't have enough data, but decent meals(healthy) should be a priority, specially for gamers who spend most of the day on a chair.
PS: Morrow is a boss.
On October 13 2012 22:01 pallad wrote: More drama incomming , but who cares..? In house full of dudes , there will be always fights its nature , you cant be liked by everyone , and like everyone , life
No it's not. We're not savages, we're civilised human beings.
Ret: The food is pretty bad but everything else is awesome and I improved.
On Asus stream, after tanking 0-3 in the tournament..good improvement Ret...
He also said there is no authoritative strictness like in a Korean house - isn't this one of the MAIN reasons, along with good food, why Korean houses are so successful?
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote: I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..
You are wrong here. There are plenty of irreligious Jews, and why is Judaism so concerned with geneology?
On October 14 2012 04:13 Xorphene wrote: Ret: The food is pretty bad but everything else is awesome and I improved.
On Asus stream, after tanking 0-3 in the tournament..good improvement Ret...
Ret went 0-3, but he lost 1-2 to each opponent. He had an opportunity to win in each series, but just came up a little short. It's not as if he got smashed 0-2 every series. He was just stating that he felt the food situation could have used some improvement, but overall he had a decent time spent at MoW.
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote: I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..
How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote: I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..
... it is both.
Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.
Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...
Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.
If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.
Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new. Edit 3: iPhone
On October 14 2012 04:13 Xorphene wrote: Ret: The food is pretty bad but everything else is awesome and I improved.
On Asus stream, after tanking 0-3 in the tournament..good improvement Ret...
Ret went 0-3, but he lost 1-2 to each opponent. He had an opportunity to win in each series, but just came up a little short. It's not as if he got smashed 0-2 every series. He was just stating that he felt the food situation could have used some improvement, but overall he had a decent time spent at MoW.
Watching those games ret did play well his wins were very well played and while he may need some work with getting caught with his pants down like he was against lucifron and thorzain he was far from bad. His loss the nightend was so much more nightend playing like a beast than his mistakes.
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote: I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.
If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.
My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.
I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.
You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..
How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.
I am a descendant or America. Is my race American? My family cam from Ireland. Is Irish a race? No to both of those questions. You're either a Caucasian or Negroid as far a race at least in the most likely based on demographics of those who consider themselves Jews. Being a Jew is not a race.
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