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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
October 13 2012 19:47 GMT
#201
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
October 13 2012 19:56 GMT
#202
srsly i cant hear shit with this background sound? O_O
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
October 13 2012 20:00 GMT
#203
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
October 13 2012 20:01 GMT
#204
Sounds like a terrible organisation. How the hell can you can practice if it is so tense there? I would move to a more relaxed environment.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 13 2012 20:01 GMT
#205
Do we know who recorded this? How many zerg's are in the house? lol
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 13 2012 20:03 GMT
#206
On October 14 2012 05:01 Uni1987 wrote:
Sounds like a terrible organisation. How the hell can you can practice if it is so tense there? I would move to a more relaxed environment.


It seems like a rather relaxed environment usually. Check the streams of Morrow, Destiny and Desrow for some insight. I think Ret probably has it right that the food problem is the one big problem in the house, and it's a very sensitive subject for Desrow who's trying to lose weight so it kinda boiled into this I guess.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
October 13 2012 20:05 GMT
#207
On October 14 2012 04:37 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


I am a descendant or America. Is my race American? My family cam from Ireland. Is Irish a race? No to both of those questions. You're either a Caucasian or Negroid as far a race at least in the most likely based on demographics of those who consider themselves Jews. Being a Jew is not a race.


Misspoke when I said race but I am pretty sure you know exactly what I mean. Ethnic group would be a bit more appropriate.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
October 13 2012 20:09 GMT
#208
Food is really important, cut down on something else, (no im not fat)

They pay for the staying, the least they can do is provide food
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
October 13 2012 20:11 GMT
#209
On October 14 2012 05:01 GreEny K wrote:
Do we know who recorded this? How many zerg's are in the house? lol


I'm pretty sure it was Destiny. It happened when I was watching his stream (lucky me, that does not happen often at all lol) and everything sounded just like that (Destiny's keyboard smashing, desrow raging from a distance, zerg noises, Morrow voice was just as weak and etc).
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
October 13 2012 20:13 GMT
#210
On October 14 2012 03:08 Liquid`Ret wrote:
This drama is so unnessecary, the MoW house is a really good house for getting better at the game. Sure the food isnt GREAT, but it can be fixed. And almost every gamer I know eats almost exclusively crap anyways.


What a terrible argument. So if one wants to not be fat, he has to pay him self?

It should be the opposite way: Give great good to players so they can concetrate better.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
October 13 2012 20:15 GMT
#211
On October 14 2012 05:00 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
[quote]
Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."


That's the dictionary part. Here is what the encyclopedic explanation in your link says:
Hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group or “race.”

In the 19th century violent discrimination intensified (see pogrom), and so-called “scientific racism” emerged, which based hostility to the Jews on their supposed biological characteristics and replaced religion as the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the 20th century the economic and political dislocations caused by World War I intensified anti-Semitism, and racist anti-Semitism flourished in Nazi Germany.


Jews = race was the main argument of the Nazi propaganda because it's easier to sell. That does not mean that they as a group are a race from a biological point of view. The segregation of Jews as an ethnical group slowly stopped starting in the 14th/15th century, ever since the whole "Jews only marry among themselves" can't exactly be claimed anymore.

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

I can point out a black or an asian person in a group of people, I can't point out the Jews. That's the difference.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
PviLLe3
Profile Joined January 2012
United States305 Posts
October 13 2012 20:23 GMT
#212
this thread shoulda been called MOw house MOw problems biggie style
InDesconrowl
Profile Joined April 2012
Togo311 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 20:41:55
October 13 2012 20:30 GMT
#213
Desrow going full retard over food? Not surprised.

Desrow needs to apologize for his "Jews" comment. He used it in a derogatory way.

It is players like this that make eSports seem like a joke.
:tg: Ginyu Force :tg:
Portlandian
Profile Joined July 2012
Belgium153 Posts
October 13 2012 20:37 GMT
#214
Jews are indeed a race. Judaism is a religion which teaches Jews that they are the Chosen race.

A genome-wide genetic signature of Jewish ancestry perfectly separates individuals with and without full Jewish ancestry in a large random sample of European Americans

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Here we show that within Americans of European ancestry there is a perfect genetic corollary of Jewish ancestry which, in principle, would permit near perfect genetic inference of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. In fact, even subjects with a single Jewish grandparent can be statistically distinguished from those without Jewish ancestry. We also found that subjects with Jewish ancestry were slightly more heterozygous than the subjects with no Jewish ancestry, suggesting that the genetic distinction between Jews and non-Jews may be more attributable to a Near-Eastern origin for Jewish populations than to population bottlenecks.

http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/1/R7


On October 14 2012 05:15 r.Evo wrote:

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

A Turk in Germany is not a German. This is a matter of genetics, not paperwork.
Mesha
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
October 13 2012 20:39 GMT
#215
I don't understand how Desrow even with experience of traveling around the world and interacting with people, living on his own etc... still acts like he lives in his parents basement. "Jews" remark IMO isn't something that has some evil intentions, it just show how immature he is. He's just talking trash, almost all the time he speaks. Probably compensating something, or whatever. It's obvious the food is questionable but come on, give them some time i don't think warm meal is such a unsolvable thing, if guys running the MoW have brains they will solve that issue, give them a little time and a decent constructional feedback.
Also guys running the MoW, don't play dumb, now you absolutely know that your warm meal isn't warm and it's baaaaad. You are not disgracing yourself, you disgrace Poland, it looks like you don't even know what food is in Poland. In my country you probably couldn't continue practicing because just how much good food they put in front off you as a sign of hospitality and good intentions, what the fuck are you doing? Yes, i have seen the dead meat balls Destiny twitted about, ^_^.
Reality hits you hard bro.
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
October 13 2012 20:41 GMT
#216
This got me thinking. What exactly does MoW offer? From what i could gather, they don't have great coaches, no training program, no practice schedule or system, no good nutrition, they have a gym but i haven't heard about a trainer or anyone actually helping the players get in shape. What DO they have? On what basis do they call themselves a training facility if regular smart people like TLO can build better training environment for themselves just on their own?
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
October 13 2012 20:41 GMT
#217
Stop talking about jews and whether its a race or not holy fucking shit. Its literally a null-point especially in this thread
Useless wet fish.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 13 2012 20:44 GMT
#218
GOOD LORD

Stop talking about using Jew as an insult, it's irrelevant.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2012 20:46 GMT
#219
On October 14 2012 05:15 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 05:00 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:47 r.Evo wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:21 Jrocker152 wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:01 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:53 Zennith wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
[quote]

If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..




... it is both.


Not really, even though people like to claim it is. An Arabic Jew is not the same as an European Jew. Being Jewish is a religious and cultural believe, but as far as a race is concerned there really isn't a Jewish race.

Then why do so many of these religious folk have recognizable facial features that let me pick them out in a room? Including the African Jews? Their skin color, hair etc differ but they still have that Jewish look...

Sorry, you just don't know any irreligious jews yet. And look up Einstein, if he was Jewish in the way you claim his statements about god would make no sense.

If you claim he wasn't Jewish a lot of people disagree, many who are historians.

Edit again: there are also Jewish people who are religious jews but not racial Jews- some Mexicans came one time and claimed to be Jewish, I was telling them "no way", but then I opened my mind and learned something new.
Edit 3: iPhone

The bolded comment above is much, much more antisemitic than what desrow said. Think about that for a second.


On October 14 2012 04:21 shockaslim wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:47 Zenbrez wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:43 .syd. wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 orBitual wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 14 2012 02:55 Heartland wrote:
I think it's mind boggling how anyone can think 'stereotypes' are divorced from racism. Does that mean that I believe that Desrow is a nazi? No. Do I think he said it because he was angry? Sure. But that's not the point. I'm arguing that using Jew as a derogatory term for greedy is racist. It's incredibly strange that people are assuming 'witch hunt' or whatever. I'm not sitting here fuming or hating Desrow. I'm not calling for people to email sponsors, to burn him at the stake or anything of the sort. I'm merely arguing that him calling someone else a Jew because they're greedy is antisemitic. If that's not antisemitism I don't know what is.

Stereotypes are not what you think they are. If you see somebody that looks like a cowboy, you might call him a cowboy. That is a stereotype. Is it racist? No.


If you see somebody that looks like a faggot, you might call him a faggot. That is a stereotype. Is it bigotry? Yes.

My point is that maybe all racist or bigoted remarks might be stereotyping, but not all stereotypes are racist or bigoted.


I would argue that the stereotype that jews are all greedy is pretty racist.

You know, Judaism is a religion, not a race..


How can you be so ridiculous? Judaism is a religion. Being a Jew (as in descendant from Jerusalem) is a race. So yes, it IS racist.


Besides the fact that I doubt MoW)Boss is either a religious or a "racial" jew (which would make the statement antisemitic) the word "Jew" derives from the region Judea. That region doesn't exist anymore since about 2000 years, the modern equivalent is West Bank.

Calling Jews a race is as stupid as equivalent to calling every American European because hey, all their ancestors had to be European at one point. In fact, once again, the view that they're a race showcases anti-semitism by trying to put them into their own little group that has nothing to do with anyone else. That's how this whole mess started in the first place. When I see a German Jew and a French Jew talking I will most likely refer to them as a German and French dude talking. Not as two Jews talking.


tl;dr: There is a reason we have a specific word for "being against" Jews, it's called antisemitism. Not racism.


anti-semitism: "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."


That's the dictionary part. Here is what the encyclopedic explanation in your link says:
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Hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious group or “race.”

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In the 19th century violent discrimination intensified (see pogrom), and so-called “scientific racism” emerged, which based hostility to the Jews on their supposed biological characteristics and replaced religion as the primary basis for anti-Semitism. In the 20th century the economic and political dislocations caused by World War I intensified anti-Semitism, and racist anti-Semitism flourished in Nazi Germany.


Jews = race was the main argument of the Nazi propaganda because it's easier to sell. That does not mean that they as a group are a race from a biological point of view. The segregation of Jews as an ethnical group slowly stopped starting in the 14th/15th century, ever since the whole "Jews only marry among themselves" can't exactly be claimed anymore.

It literally is equivalent to e.g. whether you want to call Turkish immigrants in Germany (who are official members of the state) Turks or Germans. Most people would agree that starting with the 2nd or 3rd generation the people are more part of their "new" country.

I can point out a black or an asian person in a group of people, I can't point out the Jews. That's the difference.


You honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't want to get off topic but it seriously kills me inside every time I see someone on TL trying to make these completely uninformed arguments. Go learn a few things about genetics and then form an educated opinion. There are genetic diseases associated ONLY with certain lineages of Jewry - meaning they are a distinct race.

On topic - I've become a huge MorroW fan, lost a lot of respect for Desrow and my opinion of MoW hasn't changed. I never bought into their apology about the Fuzer incident in the first place..
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
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October 13 2012 20:46 GMT
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lol this manager is so insecure
all he talks about is 'im not a child' , 'if desrow is acted like a child, what is wrong with me replying in the same way?'

morrow is just like

'.........'
'(ur an idiot), i mean.... u are the supposed professional, therefore u should act professional regardless if anyone is acting like a child'

is this really how people operate?
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
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