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This fucking thread needs to be locked. It has turned into a retarded debate about weather its alright for an older guy to root a 14 year old girl. Why the fuck are you guys even arguing about such shit? Stop being such insipid fools and let this thread die already.
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On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger.
I was talking more about maturity, not just sex. But if you do a quick Google search, many pages show that the average that teens have sex for the first time is 17-18 in North America, most of Western Europe, South America, Russia, and Australia. Iceland and the Nordic countries average 15, but they're an exception.
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On October 16 2012 23:12 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 20:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Why people love stupid dramas so much, i will always wonder. Who gives a flying fuck about a joke that was meant to be private, or with stephano sex life in general?? And no, 14 yo is not "pedophilia" unless you consider a 14 years old like a child.
And people talk about his need to "mature". Well, i don't like the expression "get a life" but there is something to it. Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often. Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents?  Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ. He is hired and works for EG and by that represents the team EG. EG is sponsored by sponsors and by that representing said sponsors, they even changed their official name to EG raidcall. Why do you think sponsors have so much power over teams? (this being a prime example) Like it or not, Stephano represents his sponsors.
I am a member of an orchestra that is sponsored by a shitload of companies. I do not represent any of them, and I do hope they do not care about my sex life and my tasteless jokes. A sponsor is someonee who gives money against something: for example their name in the team's name, or a logo on your t-shirt. Period. It's written nowhere that it's about slavery.
Sponsors have power on teams because they do what they want with their money. Fine. If they don't like you they stop paying. That doesn't mean you have a duty of bing lke that and that because you stopped being a person the day they paid you.
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On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger.
You're missing the point.... by a lot.
There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds.
There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable.
On October 16 2012 23:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:12 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 20:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Why people love stupid dramas so much, i will always wonder. Who gives a flying fuck about a joke that was meant to be private, or with stephano sex life in general?? And no, 14 yo is not "pedophilia" unless you consider a 14 years old like a child.
And people talk about his need to "mature". Well, i don't like the expression "get a life" but there is something to it. Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often. Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents? Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ. He is hired and works for EG and by that represents the team EG. EG is sponsored by sponsors and by that representing said sponsors, they even changed their official name to EG raidcall. Why do you think sponsors have so much power over teams? (this being a prime example) Like it or not, Stephano represents his sponsors. I am a member of an orchestra that is sponsored by a shitload of companies. I do not represent any of them, and I do hope they do not care about my sex life and my tasteless jokes. A sponsor is someonee who gives money against something: for example their name in the team's name, or a logo on your t-shirt. Period. It's written nowhere that it's about slavery. Sponsors have power on teams because they do what they want with their money. Fine. If they don't like you they stop paying. That doesn't mean you have a duty of bing lke that and that because you stopped being a person the day they paid you.
Slavery... nice.
Stephano gets paid because the team he's on is sponsored. But it's not a one time payment. Sponsors dislike who they're sponsoring, they stop.
If you and your orchestra have a massive orgy in the town square, you don't think maybe the people sponsoring said orchestra will back out?
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On October 16 2012 23:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:12 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 20:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Why people love stupid dramas so much, i will always wonder. Who gives a flying fuck about a joke that was meant to be private, or with stephano sex life in general?? And no, 14 yo is not "pedophilia" unless you consider a 14 years old like a child.
And people talk about his need to "mature". Well, i don't like the expression "get a life" but there is something to it. Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often. Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents? Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ. He is hired and works for EG and by that represents the team EG. EG is sponsored by sponsors and by that representing said sponsors, they even changed their official name to EG raidcall. Why do you think sponsors have so much power over teams? (this being a prime example) Like it or not, Stephano represents his sponsors. I am a member of an orchestra that is sponsored by a shitload of companies. I do not represent any of them, and I do hope they do not care about my sex life and my tasteless jokes. A sponsor is someonee who gives money against something: for example their name in the team's name, or a logo on your t-shirt. Period. It's written nowhere that it's about slavery. Sponsors have power on teams because they do what they want with their money. Fine. If they don't like you they stop paying. That doesn't mean you have a duty of bing lke that and that because you stopped being a person the day they paid you.
Oh just make a very bad comment in the same sense and suddenly your orchestra will "oh yea the one with the rapist in"
Please try it out if you think nobody cares but i aint being hold responsible for the consequences.
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On October 16 2012 23:18 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. I was talking more about maturity, not just sex. But if you do a quick Google search, many pages show that the average that teens have sex for the first time is 17-18 in North America, most of Western Europe, South America, Russia, and Australia. Iceland and the Nordic countries average 15, but they're an exception.
Fine. It's still a whole country, and yeah maybe they are more early than americans.
Are all these Islandic little boys and little girls having creepy underage sex, or are they teenagers having a fairly early but still reasonable start in their sex life? Rethorical question.
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On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 20:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Why people love stupid dramas so much, i will always wonder. Who gives a flying fuck about a joke that was meant to be private, or with stephano sex life in general?? And no, 14 yo is not "pedophilia" unless you consider a 14 years old like a child.
And people talk about his need to "mature". Well, i don't like the expression "get a life" but there is something to it. Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often. Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents? Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ.
You're under some weird idealist notion of how a sponsorship works.
Sorry to break it to you, but if you are sponsored by a company, you represent them. This is a well-known fact in the corporate world. If you have your name associated with a negative figure due to sponsorship, your company will take hits to its sales.
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I'm impressed that this thread has been able to keep running at a 10-page-a-day pace so consistently.
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On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable.
If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too.
Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile.
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On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile.
"Some" being the keyword.
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On October 16 2012 23:21 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 20:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Why people love stupid dramas so much, i will always wonder. Who gives a flying fuck about a joke that was meant to be private, or with stephano sex life in general?? And no, 14 yo is not "pedophilia" unless you consider a 14 years old like a child.
And people talk about his need to "mature". Well, i don't like the expression "get a life" but there is something to it. Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often. Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents? Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ. You're under some weird idealist notion of how a sponsorship works. Sorry to break it to you, but if you are sponsored by a company, you represent them. This is a well-known fact in the corporate world. If you have your name associated with a negative figure due to sponsorship, your company will take hits to its sales.
Fine, show me a contract signed by Stephano that says he is the forefront of any company at all and we agree. Until I have seen it, please let me doubt about how it works.
On October 16 2012 23:20 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:12 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 20:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Why people love stupid dramas so much, i will always wonder. Who gives a flying fuck about a joke that was meant to be private, or with stephano sex life in general?? And no, 14 yo is not "pedophilia" unless you consider a 14 years old like a child.
And people talk about his need to "mature". Well, i don't like the expression "get a life" but there is something to it. Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often. Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents? Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ. He is hired and works for EG and by that represents the team EG. EG is sponsored by sponsors and by that representing said sponsors, they even changed their official name to EG raidcall. Why do you think sponsors have so much power over teams? (this being a prime example) Like it or not, Stephano represents his sponsors. I am a member of an orchestra that is sponsored by a shitload of companies. I do not represent any of them, and I do hope they do not care about my sex life and my tasteless jokes. A sponsor is someonee who gives money against something: for example their name in the team's name, or a logo on your t-shirt. Period. It's written nowhere that it's about slavery. Sponsors have power on teams because they do what they want with their money. Fine. If they don't like you they stop paying. That doesn't mean you have a duty of bing lke that and that because you stopped being a person the day they paid you. Oh just make a very bad comment in the same sense and suddenly your orchestra will "oh yea the one with the rapist in" Please try it out if you think nobody cares but i aint being hold responsible for the consequences.
I can swear you that I can say publicly that Vodaphone is a company of cocksuckers, they won't stop funding my orchestra and they won't have me to get fired. They don't care. They want their name on the program when we are playing and a section of our website, because it is cool for them to be associated by a high level classical music institution. That's publicity, and that's what they pay for.
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On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile.
No, it's not. This is why statutory rape laws exist. Obviously there's a lot of debate room between a 16 and 18-year-old, but a 5 year difference between someone who has just started high school and someone who should be in at least their 2nd year in college is a pretty clear line; an adult can easily take advantage of a young teen and coerce them into having sex. This is the reason that statutory rape laws exist.
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On October 16 2012 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile. "Some" being the keyword. You 2 have to agree to disagree.
Some people consider 'some' enough to allow or not allow things.
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On October 16 2012 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile. "Some" being the keyword.
Fine. I'm sure Stephano's chick was part of the "some". Otherwise, guess what, nothing would have happened.
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On October 16 2012 23:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:21 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 20:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Why people love stupid dramas so much, i will always wonder. Who gives a flying fuck about a joke that was meant to be private, or with stephano sex life in general?? And no, 14 yo is not "pedophilia" unless you consider a 14 years old like a child.
And people talk about his need to "mature". Well, i don't like the expression "get a life" but there is something to it. Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often. Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents? Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ. You're under some weird idealist notion of how a sponsorship works. Sorry to break it to you, but if you are sponsored by a company, you represent them. This is a well-known fact in the corporate world. If you have your name associated with a negative figure due to sponsorship, your company will take hits to its sales. Fine, show me a contract signed by Stephano that says he is the forefront of any company at all and we agree. Until I have seen it, please let me doubt about how it works. Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:20 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 23:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:12 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:57 bK- wrote:On October 16 2012 22:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:49 Assirra wrote:On October 16 2012 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 21:07 Assirra wrote:
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Stephano represents his sponsors so yes he should "mature" or at least not make jokes that obviously can be seen very wrong on battle.net to a person who streams often.
Just, you know, think of all the bad and tasteless jokes you have done in your life, or the stupid stuff you have bragged about, real or imaginary. Done? Now, imagine also that they are made public because of you being a bit careless, and that there is suddenly an army of judgmental nerds making a huge drama on that basis. And then you realize how fucking stupid the whole story is. Oh, and the fact that Stephano brags privately to his friend about """raping""" a 14 years old girl (what, he kissed a teenager or something: fucking big deal, hope it makes it to the New York Times) has nothing to do with his sponsors. Unless encompassing this disgraceful puritanist bullshit is the reason they are paying him for. I thought it was about playing a video game, but everybody makes mistakes. People would not give a shit about my jokes cause guess what, i am not a popular person that is in a popular team that is sponsored by popular products/brands. What are they gonne do? email my parents? Welcome to the real world where being popular is not all sunshine and rainbows. You will have fans that try to justify everything you do and you will have people that will find any reason possible to make you look bad. Yeah well, people could grow the fuck up and stop being stupid with sportsmen. It's not because every famous people is confronted to people's stupidity, prejudices and hastly judgments that it makes those acceptable. Stephano is a starcraft player, period. The fact that he makes tasteless jokes to his friends or the details about the last girl he kissed or had sex with is nobody's fucking concern. Seriously. It becomes my concern when I am exposed to the content period. I touched on this in an earlier post but he now represents those companies if he likes it or not. The moment he signed that contract he became a figurehead for those brands. As a business you do not want employee's who have those tendencies period due to it hurting business. Take a look at news anchors for instances as they do not bring their personal lives in-front of the big stage. Even so there has been people getting fired due to them having pictures of them partying on their Facebook. It just shows the character of the person you are paying to provide a professional service. If it is available to the public and it creates a negative image for the company they have all the rights in the world to punish the employee. As for the age laws and everything that is something unique to each country. If it is legal over there in France that is fine and we should have no say in the matter. Really, you care about it? Like, it affects you, it changes something for you to the point where you have to make a judgment and all the drama? That's awesome. By the way, he does not represent any company, and he is not a figurehead. He is not even an employee of his sponsors. He is supported financially, because the companies think it is profitable to be associated with him. You don't stop being a person just because you have a sponsor. And your sex life or bad jokes made in private are none of your sponsor's business. And not our business either. He is paid for playing starcraft not for being Jesus Christ. He is hired and works for EG and by that represents the team EG. EG is sponsored by sponsors and by that representing said sponsors, they even changed their official name to EG raidcall. Why do you think sponsors have so much power over teams? (this being a prime example) Like it or not, Stephano represents his sponsors. I am a member of an orchestra that is sponsored by a shitload of companies. I do not represent any of them, and I do hope they do not care about my sex life and my tasteless jokes. A sponsor is someonee who gives money against something: for example their name in the team's name, or a logo on your t-shirt. Period. It's written nowhere that it's about slavery. Sponsors have power on teams because they do what they want with their money. Fine. If they don't like you they stop paying. That doesn't mean you have a duty of bing lke that and that because you stopped being a person the day they paid you. Oh just make a very bad comment in the same sense and suddenly your orchestra will "oh yea the one with the rapist in" Please try it out if you think nobody cares but i aint being hold responsible for the consequences. I can swear you that I can say publicly that Vodaphone is a company of cocksuckers, they won't stop funding my orchestra and they won't have me to get fired. They don't care. They want their name on the program when we are playing and a section of our website, because it is cool for them to be associated by a high level classical music institution. That's publicity, and that's what they pay for.
No, I'm not going to let you doubt, because you're just denying reality to be in some ridiculous world where you don't have any accountability to your sponsors. In your orchestra, you are a nobody relative to the other 90+ that come together to make that orchestra one entity. Unless you're the director or the best violin player in the country, very few people know who you actually are, but they know your orchestra. Stephano, on the other hand, is the most well-known and successful member of EG, and many people know him before they know EG. He is part of a team (and is an integral part of a team). If he does something that makes him look really bad, both the team and the sponsors suffer. This is the responsibility you take for being a professional competitor and taking the big bucks home with you every time you get paid.
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On October 16 2012 23:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile. No, it's not. This is why statutory rape laws exist. Obviously there's a lot of debate room between a 16 and 18-year-old, but a 5 year difference between someone who has just started high school and someone who should be in at least their 2nd year in college is a pretty clear line; an adult can easily take advantage of a young teen and coerce them into having sex. This is the reason that statutory rape laws exist.
I can swear you that if you go in court in France because a 19 years old boy had sex with a 14 years old girl, they'll fucking laugh at you. The idea is that this 56 years old teacher with authority doesn't abuse his 14 years old students.
These laws are not made to prevent teenagers having sex together. And 5 years difference is extremely common.
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On October 16 2012 23:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile. "Some" being the keyword. Fine. I'm sure Stephano's chick was part of the "some". Otherwise, guess what, nothing would have happened.
Yeah, I'm sure a 19 year old guy can only have sex with a 14 year old girl if she is mature and ready. That's the only way sex between a 19 year old and 14 year old would ever happen.
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On October 16 2012 23:32 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile. No, it's not. This is why statutory rape laws exist. Obviously there's a lot of debate room between a 16 and 18-year-old, but a 5 year difference between someone who has just started high school and someone who should be in at least their 2nd year in college is a pretty clear line; an adult can easily take advantage of a young teen and coerce them into having sex. This is the reason that statutory rape laws exist. I can swear you that if you go in court in France because a 19 years old boy had sex with a 14 years old girl, they'll fucking laugh at you. The idea is that this 56 years old teacher with authority doesn't abuse his 14 years old students. These laws are not made to prevent teenagers having sex together. And 5 years difference is extremely common.
Of course the point isn't to stop teenagers from having sex. The point is to stop an adult from taking advantage of and coercing a teenager, and in many cases, a 19-year-old can be considered an adult. Legal age is of course something to be determined by a specific country, so go France if you want your young adult men to be having sex with little girls. This is still beside the point; not only did Stephano say that he abused a girl, but he said he abused a 14-year-old girl, which makes the remarks that much more inflammatory.
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On October 16 2012 23:33 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 23:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 23:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 23:09 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 16 2012 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 16 2012 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 16 2012 22:26 Geo.Rion wrote:
Ok, being out of line and all that is true, and rammification and PR campaign, OK, but JESUS christ people, are you kidding me?
Some of you are actually upset because of he RAPED a girl? I know in legal terms he did (if he wasnt just bullshitting) but have some common sense ffs, 14 year old girls are pretty much grown ups, at least as much as a 19 year old boy is, No, they're really not. What the fuck. Yes they are. I have known couples of 19 or 20 / 15 that were working just fine. I even had a college friend who married his girlfriend who was 15 when they started. Don't tell me the few months make all the difference. 14 is not 12. At 14, most teenagers have a sexual life, have known love and are fairly emancipated of their parents. A lot of people around me have had their first sexual relations at age 14. I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the fact that the majority of 14-year-old teenagers (lets just take teenagers in western developed countries to eliminate cultural differences) do NOT have a sexual life yet. Furthermore, it's laughable to claim that most 14-year-olds have known love. Most young adults haven't even known love, let alone someone who is only 14. Teenage angst and rebellion should not be confused with autonomy. The vast, vast majority of 14-year-olds still need their parents for pretty much anything, and if they were faced with a real problem calling for true independence, they'd run to their parents in a heartbeat. Finally, 14-year-olds are still woefully immature. Of course you can come along with random anecdotal evidence saying that you've met immature young adults or you've met young couples with 6+ years separating them and they've worked, but this doesn't change the fact that a 19-year-old has gone through a LOT more in life when compared to a 14-year-old, on average. And? You need to have had the same amount of experience in life to have sex with someone? I guess my father should go in jail for marrying a 20 years old woman when he was 32. Now on absolute age: I had my first girlfriend at 15, I was very much in love and we had sex. Like half of people around me. You can play on words saying we didn't really know what love is or whatever. That's your opinion about love. Maybe it was not the deep love with which you found a family and make a whole life together. Don't care, agree, that's not what we are talking about. If there are countries were the average of the first intercourse is 15, you can bet a huge amount of young people then have it at 14 or younger. You're missing the point.... by a lot. There is no issue between 20 and 32 year old people having sex, there is no issue between 15 year olds having sex with 15 year olds. There is a problem with people saying 19 year olds having sex with 14 year olds is fine and acceptable. If it's fine for two 15 years old to have sex together, it's fine for a 19 and a 15, or a 14 to have sex together too. Some people are more mature at 14 than at 19. I had a 15 years old girlfriend when I was 17 who was more mature than me by a mile. "Some" being the keyword. Fine. I'm sure Stephano's chick was part of the "some". Otherwise, guess what, nothing would have happened. Yeah, I'm sure a 19 year old guy can only have sex with a 14 year old girl if she is mature and ready. That's the only way sex between a 19 year old and 14 year old would ever happen.
I guess he could rape her, also. Do you think that happened?
Being mature enough at 14 means being interested. I don't see how a 14 years old having consenting sex with another teen is not mature enough. And I'm out of here because we all are wasting our time.
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