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On October 16 2012 07:10 Vod.kaholic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
wtf.... how did this turn into a stephano raped a 14 year old thread (jokingly). Because "abuser" in French in that context ("abusing" a 14yo) means to rape. Granted Stephano doesn't have the best grasp of the English language, so he may have been trying to express something else, but this looks to be the most compelling interpretation. Even if he meant the English meaning of "abuse," abusing a 14yo is also reprehensible, whether the nature of it was sexual or not.
I don't think French vocabulary is compelling when a guy is speaking English. I don't think you have any evidence Stephano raped or abused a 14 year old girl, or that he had sex with one, let alone in a jurisdiction where it's not legal to do so. My interpretation is he said something on the battle.net that he thought was funny to a friend. And I don't follow anyone involved in this.
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On October 16 2012 07:10 Vod.kaholic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
wtf.... how did this turn into a stephano raped a 14 year old thread (jokingly). Because "abuser" in French in that context ("abusing" a 14yo) means to rape. Granted Stephano doesn't have the best grasp of the English language, so he may have been trying to express something else, but this looks to be the most compelling interpretation. Even if he meant the English meaning of "abuse," abusing a 14yo is also reprehensible, whether the nature of it was sexual or not.
pathetic. he was joking about having consensual sex with a 14 year old iirc. using the term rape implies lack of consent. its two different things. plus, the age of consent in france is apparently 15, so its a big "who fucking cares" moment for everyone. if i had consensual sex with a 17 year old in the U.S. and joked about it, it would be less than intelligent of me to joke about it, but would also be a huge who fucking cares moment.
if you want to be correct, say "statutory rape" so that all of us will know and can proceed with not caring.
edit: he said abused, not just sex. but i maintain my who fucking cares attitude.
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On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things?
So, because you know Stephano acts like this it makes it okay? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. You guys fail to realize that Stephano now represents EG and their sponsors. This sort of behavior is not helping e-sports and makes sponsors less likely to back a team. No sponsors means no more e-sports...
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On October 16 2012 06:55 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 06:21 Killscreen wrote:On October 16 2012 06:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:On October 16 2012 06:09 Killscreen wrote:
1. Grow up
2. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, don't need assprints on the door
I'd like to thank you for taking the time to write that well thought out and well articulated argument. You have given me a lot to think about, sir. I also appreciate you numerating the lines, as it will surely make it more readable as easily understandable for your peers here. Wouldn't want those wise words going to waste now would we. Yes, it was better thought out and more articulate than "butt-hurt pussies" and "moral masturbation" and the other general "YOURE MEAN DAD YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING" teenage angsty nonsense that was your post. Again, grow up. The world is mean and unfair, learn to deal with it. Oh I have, son. Ironic words coming from someone trying to take the moral high ground. Like I said; this behavior is completely natural and healthy for a young male. You are the one who seems to have a problem accepting reality. And the problem is it got out in the open. Stephano is a representative for EG since he is on their team and by that also their sponsers. If it didn't go out nobody would care since nobody knew. It is his own fault for not making sure it was a private conversation.
That didn't help orb. That was a private game from even before he joined EG. You ( and by you I mean whoever voiced their outrage around the net ) guys still got him fired for it.
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On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing.
Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?
Yes. Obviously.
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On October 16 2012 07:15 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:10 Vod.kaholic wrote:On October 16 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
wtf.... how did this turn into a stephano raped a 14 year old thread (jokingly). Because "abuser" in French in that context ("abusing" a 14yo) means to rape. Granted Stephano doesn't have the best grasp of the English language, so he may have been trying to express something else, but this looks to be the most compelling interpretation. Even if he meant the English meaning of "abuse," abusing a 14yo is also reprehensible, whether the nature of it was sexual or not. pathetic. he was joking about having consensual sex with a 14 year old iirc. using the term rape implies lack of consent. its two different things. plus, the age of consent in france is apparently 15, so its a big "who fucking cares" moment for everyone. if i had consensual sex with a 17 year old in the U.S. and joked about it, it would be less than intelligent of me to joke about it, but would also be a huge fucking cares moment. if you want to be correct, say "statutory rape" so that all of us will know and can proceed with not caring.
Are you willing to bet your life that Stephano was joking? No? How about 1,000 dollars? At the end of the day it doesn't mater if he was joking or not. The sponsors don't care to know the facts if it is hurting business.
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On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously.
Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?
Most certainly.
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On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help.
You're either an idiot or have never ever seen Stephano before. Stephano has ALWAYS been like this even on Millenium. Hell, it was worse on Millenium. He caused a legal battle between Complexity and Millenium. He forfeited a shit ton of tournaments because he didn't feel like playing them. He got arrested in DreamHack. Don't act like this issue has anything to do with him joining EG. He would have done the same thing if he was still on Millenium.
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On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously.
Wow you're pretty stupid. You apparently haven't seen the shitstorm EG gets on a daily basis for being money grubbers. GUESS WHAT? EG has American, Canadian, and Korean players! What a coincidence? Go take your French bias somewhere else.
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On October 16 2012 07:18 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?Most certainly.
I said same kind of things for Naniwa's probe rush. I'm speaking about double standards.
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Do we have any evidence that this joke had anything to do with a female? Sounds like all you guys are jumping to conclusions.
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On October 16 2012 07:23 TheBrainiac wrote:
Do we have any evidence that this joke had anything to do with a female? Sounds like all you guys are jumping to conclusions.
What does it matter if its female or male? Does abusing a 14 year old boy make it acceptable?
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On October 16 2012 07:23 TheBrainiac wrote:
Do we have any evidence that this joke had anything to do with a female? Sounds like all you guys are jumping to conclusions.
idd, he most likely got abused BY a 14 year old guy who has a fetisch for afro
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On October 16 2012 07:22 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:18 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?Most certainly. I said same kind of things for Naniwa's probe rush. I'm speaking about double standards.
The Naniwa incident was with Quantic, this is with EG....
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On October 16 2012 07:15 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:10 Vod.kaholic wrote:On October 16 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
wtf.... how did this turn into a stephano raped a 14 year old thread (jokingly). Because "abuser" in French in that context ("abusing" a 14yo) means to rape. Granted Stephano doesn't have the best grasp of the English language, so he may have been trying to express something else, but this looks to be the most compelling interpretation. Even if he meant the English meaning of "abuse," abusing a 14yo is also reprehensible, whether the nature of it was sexual or not. pathetic. he was joking about having consensual sex with a 14 year old iirc. using the term rape implies lack of consent. its two different things. plus, the age of consent in france is apparently 15, so its a big "who fucking cares" moment for everyone. if i had consensual sex with a 17 year old in the U.S. and joked about it, it would be less than intelligent of me to joke about it, but would also be a huge who fucking cares moment. if you want to be correct, say "statutory rape" so that all of us will know and can proceed with not caring. edit: he said abused, not just sex. but i maintain my who fucking cares attitude.
Well, it seems a lot of people care. If you make that joke in your private life, sure, no fucks will be given (unless you're joking to a non-chill cop or something).
If you're Stephano and your name is now associated with EG and their sponsors, people are going to care.
Pics again:
http://i.imgur.com/h8LYF.jpg
http://www.newbcastgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sGxUY.jpg
Also, the second one makes it even worse, saying he's only interested in MILFs and kids now, implying he had sexual feelings or interactions with a 14yo.
WITH ALL THAT SAID, there's no bloody way of proving whether he raped a 14yo or whether it was consensual and passably OK by French laws. It's also irrelevant. What does matter is that his words and actions made his team and his sponsors look bad, so people are justified in caring, even if you don't.
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On October 16 2012 07:22 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Wow you're pretty stupid. You apparently haven't seen the shitstorm EG gets on a daily basis for being money grubbers. GUESS WHAT? EG has American, Canadian, and Korean players! What a coincidence? Go take your French bias somewhere else.
EG is in fact most respectfull than a part of the community. EG doesn't make any difference from the place you come from, the race you play, your religion, or the color of your skin. And they do much for Esport.
I'm not blaming them, i'm blaming the double standard of TL and of a (small) part of the community.
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On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? So, because you know Stephano acts like this it makes it okay? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. You guys fail to realize that Stephano now represents EG and their sponsors. This sort of behavior is not helping e-sports and makes sponsors less likely to back a team. No sponsors means no more e-sports...
Let me ask you this, just because you don't like how someone acts, why do you think they should conform to your views?
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On October 16 2012 07:26 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:22 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:18 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?Most certainly. I said same kind of things for Naniwa's probe rush. I'm speaking about double standards. The Naniwa incident was with Quantic, this is with EG....
Did I bash EG?
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On October 16 2012 07:28 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? So, because you know Stephano acts like this it makes it okay? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. You guys fail to realize that Stephano now represents EG and their sponsors. This sort of behavior is not helping e-sports and makes sponsors less likely to back a team. No sponsors means no more e-sports... Let me ask you this, just because you don't like how someone acts, why do you think they should conform to your views?
No one should ever conform to my views... Its the views of the sponsors that matter. Again, you guys are missing the bigger picture here. You all think this is small time shit, but in reality this is the stuff that ruins teams.
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On October 16 2012 07:28 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? So, because you know Stephano acts like this it makes it okay? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. You guys fail to realize that Stephano now represents EG and their sponsors. This sort of behavior is not helping e-sports and makes sponsors less likely to back a team. No sponsors means no more e-sports... Let me ask you this, just because you don't like how someone acts, why should people have to conform to ur views?
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