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I couldn't care much less that he joked about raping a 14 year old. Yes, that's an inappropriate joke, but how about we actually try to stop rape instead of punishing people who clearly were joking in a community that is heavily liberal and anti-rape. Just because EG suspended Stephano doesn't mean the world is a better place.
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On October 16 2012 07:29 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:26 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:22 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:18 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?Most certainly. I said same kind of things for Naniwa's probe rush. I'm speaking about double standards. The Naniwa incident was with Quantic, this is with EG.... Did I bash EG?
wtf are u talking about?
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[QUOTE]On October 16 2012 07:31 ReachTheSky wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 16 2012 07:28 ReachTheSky wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help.[/QUOTE]
You're not familiar with Stephano, are you?
Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things?[/QUOTE]
So, because you know Stephano acts like this it makes it okay? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. You guys fail to realize that Stephano now represents EG and their sponsors. This sort of behavior is not helping e-sports and makes sponsors less likely to back a team. No sponsors means no more e-sports...[/QUOTE]
stupid edits and mis quotes.
Its people like you making a shit storm out of it that is causing it to be an issue. Let it go.
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On October 16 2012 07:14 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:10 Vod.kaholic wrote:On October 16 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
wtf.... how did this turn into a stephano raped a 14 year old thread (jokingly). Because "abuser" in French in that context ("abusing" a 14yo) means to rape. Granted Stephano doesn't have the best grasp of the English language, so he may have been trying to express something else, but this looks to be the most compelling interpretation. Even if he meant the English meaning of "abuse," abusing a 14yo is also reprehensible, whether the nature of it was sexual or not. I don't think French vocabulary is compelling when a guy is speaking English. I don't think you have any evidence Stephano raped or abused a 14 year old girl, or that he had sex with one, let alone in a jurisdiction where it's not legal to do so. My interpretation is he said something on the battle.net that he thought was funny to a friend. And I don't follow anyone involved in this.
Whoa, calm down there.
I never said I personally think Stephano raped a 14yo. I was answering Phreak's question about how everyone in this thread thinks Stephano actually committed a rape. There is in fact no evidence, but because of Stephano's word choice, it's easy for people to misinterpret it as evidence for him raping a 14yo.
All we can say with the greatest certainty is that he made a reprehensible joke, but that doesn't make the whole situation OK on his end.
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On October 16 2012 07:18 Urasim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 16 2012 07:10 Vod.kaholic wrote:On October 16 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
wtf.... how did this turn into a stephano raped a 14 year old thread (jokingly). Because "abuser" in French in that context ("abusing" a 14yo) means to rape. Granted Stephano doesn't have the best grasp of the English language, so he may have been trying to express something else, but this looks to be the most compelling interpretation. Even if he meant the English meaning of "abuse," abusing a 14yo is also reprehensible, whether the nature of it was sexual or not. pathetic. he was joking about having consensual sex with a 14 year old iirc. using the term rape implies lack of consent. its two different things. plus, the age of consent in france is apparently 15, so its a big "who fucking cares" moment for everyone. if i had consensual sex with a 17 year old in the U.S. and joked about it, it would be less than intelligent of me to joke about it, but would also be a huge fucking cares moment. if you want to be correct, say "statutory rape" so that all of us will know and can proceed with not caring. Are you willing to bet your life that Stephano was joking? No? How about 1,000 dollars? At the end of the day it doesn't mater if he was joking or not. The sponsors don't care to know the facts if it is hurting business.
yeah, i'll bet my life. you going to come collect if i lose? lol.
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On October 16 2012 07:27 Vod.kaholic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:15 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 16 2012 07:10 Vod.kaholic wrote:On October 16 2012 07:03 dAPhREAk wrote:
wtf.... how did this turn into a stephano raped a 14 year old thread (jokingly). Because "abuser" in French in that context ("abusing" a 14yo) means to rape. Granted Stephano doesn't have the best grasp of the English language, so he may have been trying to express something else, but this looks to be the most compelling interpretation. Even if he meant the English meaning of "abuse," abusing a 14yo is also reprehensible, whether the nature of it was sexual or not. pathetic. he was joking about having consensual sex with a 14 year old iirc. using the term rape implies lack of consent. its two different things. plus, the age of consent in france is apparently 15, so its a big "who fucking cares" moment for everyone. if i had consensual sex with a 17 year old in the U.S. and joked about it, it would be less than intelligent of me to joke about it, but would also be a huge who fucking cares moment. if you want to be correct, say "statutory rape" so that all of us will know and can proceed with not caring. edit: he said abused, not just sex. but i maintain my who fucking cares attitude. Well, it seems a lot of people care. If you make that joke in your private life, sure, no fucks will be given (unless you're joking to a non-chill cop or something). If you're Stephano and your name is now associated with EG and their sponsors, people are going to care. Pics again: http://i.imgur.com/h8LYF.jpghttp://www.newbcastgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sGxUY.jpgAlso, the second one makes it even worse, saying he's only interested in MILFs and kids now, implying he had sexual feelings or interactions with a 14yo. WITH ALL THAT SAID, there's no bloody way of proving whether he raped a 14yo or whether it was consensual and passably OK by French laws. It's also irrelevant. What does matter is that his words and actions made his team and his sponsors look bad, so people are justified in caring, even if you don't.
its the internet, people make it their business to be offended by everything and caring about everything trivial.
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On October 16 2012 07:27 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:22 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Wow you're pretty stupid. You apparently haven't seen the shitstorm EG gets on a daily basis for being money grubbers. GUESS WHAT? EG has American, Canadian, and Korean players! What a coincidence? Go take your French bias somewhere else. EG is in fact most respectfull than a part of the community. EG doesn't make any difference from the place you come from, the race you play, your religion, or the color of your skin. And they do much for Esport. I'm not blaming then, i'm blaming the double standard of TL and of a (small) part of the community.
But you're implying that if he was either American, Canadian, or Korean then this wouldn't be a problem. You apparently haven't heard of the Destiny (American) incident where he shared nude pics of some girl and that girl posted his penis online. He was fired shortly after thanks to the community overreacting like a bunch of losers.
Orb (American) made a racist comment when he raged from a game. The community overreacted because apparently nobody else rages racist comments. I have my mental lapses sometimes.
Trust me there is no double standard. Everyone gets shitted on by the community. Not just the Europeans.
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On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are.
This is moot and wrong. Stephano didn't joke about raping a 14 year old. Besides that, you just said joking was unacceptable without providing any evidence of that claim. That seems like an over the top response to humor.
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On October 16 2012 07:32 ReachTheSky wrote:
stupid edits and mis quotes.
Its people like you making a shit storm out of it that is causing it to be an issue. Let it go.
I am not causing a shit storm, wtf. I posted what an outsider sees about the situation. I am not going to the team or sponsors whining about this. I don't want to see e-sports hurt because of an extremely stupid joke by Stephano. But, when the sponsors see this shit, and don't know anything about Stephano, they see something that is VERY bad for their business and they distances themselves from e-sports.
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On October 16 2012 07:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:27 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:22 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Wow you're pretty stupid. You apparently haven't seen the shitstorm EG gets on a daily basis for being money grubbers. GUESS WHAT? EG has American, Canadian, and Korean players! What a coincidence? Go take your French bias somewhere else. EG is in fact most respectfull than a part of the community. EG doesn't make any difference from the place you come from, the race you play, your religion, or the color of your skin. And they do much for Esport. I'm not blaming then, i'm blaming the double standard of TL and of a (small) part of the community. But you're implying that if he was either American, Canadian, or Korean then this wouldn't be a problem. You apparently haven't heard of the Destiny (American) incident where he shared nude pics of some girl and that girl posted his penis online. He was fired shortly after thanks to the community overreacting like a bunch of losers. Orb (American) made a racist comment when he raged from a game. The community overreacted because apparently nobody else every rages racist comments. I have my mental lapses sometimes. Trust me there is no double standard. Everyone gets shitted on by the community. Not just the Europeans.
Yes, everyone who acts unprofessionally and damages the aspects of e-sports that businesses find palatable (e.g. community representatives who don't regularly spout racist and sexist crap) gets shit on. Quite rightly I might add.
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On October 16 2012 07:32 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:29 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:26 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:22 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:18 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?Most certainly. I said same kind of things for Naniwa's probe rush. I'm speaking about double standards. The Naniwa incident was with Quantic, this is with EG.... Did I bash EG? wtf are u talking about?
Same question. I spoke about Naniwa's probe rush and all the hate you did shit on him. Nothing about EG. It's not about EG, nor Stephano. It's about stupid guys like Stephano or Naniwa who are not treated in the same way than any korean, Idra, Dimaga, Destiny, Thorzain and so many more.
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On October 16 2012 07:34 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. This is moot and wrong. Stephano didn't joke about raping a 14 year old. Besides that, you just said joking was unacceptable without providing any evidence of that claim. That seems like an over the top response to humor.
lol what are you looking for exactly? A quote from the bible saying "tho shalt not make them rapejokes (unless theyre funny)"?
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On October 16 2012 07:43 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:34 oBlade wrote:On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. This is moot and wrong. Stephano didn't joke about raping a 14 year old. Besides that, you just said joking was unacceptable without providing any evidence of that claim. That seems like an over the top response to humor. lol what are you looking for exactly? A quote from the bible saying "tho shalt not make them rapejokes (unless theyre funny)"?
If someone comes to me with the attitude of telling people not to do something for no reason, my advice is their approach is wrong and they should just ignore things they don't like.
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On October 16 2012 07:40 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:32 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:29 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:26 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:22 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:18 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?Most certainly. I said same kind of things for Naniwa's probe rush. I'm speaking about double standards. The Naniwa incident was with Quantic, this is with EG.... Did I bash EG? wtf are u talking about? Same question. I spoke about Naniwa's probe rush and all the hate you did shit on him. Nothing about EG. It's not about EG, nor Stephano. It's about stupid guys like Stephano or Naniwa who are not treated in the same way than any korean, Idra, Dimaga, Destiny, Thorzain and so many more.
Destiny got a whole heap of shit from the community with the whole nude picture thing. Koreans have never done such outlandish things. Idra I can kind of agree on. However Idra has been with EG for so long that he gets away with these things, even though I personally dont agree on it. This is just the way of the real world. In every work place there are always the people who have been there awhile, and suck their bosses dick and get away with pretty much anything. Then there are the people who aren't in their bosses' good books but get in a whole heap of shit for doing similar things. This is just the way the world is.
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On October 16 2012 07:45 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:43 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 16 2012 07:34 oBlade wrote:On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. This is moot and wrong. Stephano didn't joke about raping a 14 year old. Besides that, you just said joking was unacceptable without providing any evidence of that claim. That seems like an over the top response to humor. lol what are you looking for exactly? A quote from the bible saying "tho shalt not make them rapejokes (unless theyre funny)"? If someone comes to me with the attitude of telling people not to do something for no reason, my advice is their approach is wrong and they should just ignore things they don't like.
How about "It's wrong for public figures with great exposure to joke about raping 14 year olds is wrong because they promote the idea that raping children is a light-hearted and acceptable topic. Almost as if they are encouraging the behavior..."
That's just one argument for example's sake.
Also, as I said before, since Stephano is French and he was probably fumbling for the right word, and "abuser" means "to rape" in this context, it's very likely that he was indeed joking a raping a 14 year old.
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On October 16 2012 07:52 Vod.kaholic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:45 oBlade wrote:On October 16 2012 07:43 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 16 2012 07:34 oBlade wrote:On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. This is moot and wrong. Stephano didn't joke about raping a 14 year old. Besides that, you just said joking was unacceptable without providing any evidence of that claim. That seems like an over the top response to humor. lol what are you looking for exactly? A quote from the bible saying "tho shalt not make them rapejokes (unless theyre funny)"? If someone comes to me with the attitude of telling people not to do something for no reason, my advice is their approach is wrong and they should just ignore things they don't like. How about "It's wrong for public figures with great exposure to joke about raping 14 year olds is wrong because they promote the idea that raping children is a light-hearted and acceptable topic. Almost as if they are encouraging the behavior..." That's just one argument for example's sake. Also, as I said before, since Stephano is French and he was probably fumbling for the right word, and "abuser" means "to rape" in this context, it's very likely that he was indeed joking a raping a 14 year old.
How can something be wrong for some people ( in this case famous people ) and OK for others? You specified famous people, which implies that it only applies to them. Why do you hold famous people to a higher moral standard?
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On October 16 2012 07:47 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:40 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:32 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:29 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:26 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:22 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:18 Incomplet wrote:On October 16 2012 07:17 Agathon wrote:On October 16 2012 07:11 Incomplet wrote:
Already obvious to many, but I will list this FAQ for the dummies.
Did Stephano really rape a 14 year old?
No, the only plausible scenario if this really did happen is if the girl lied her age.
Was this a bad joke?
Yes
Does the fact that this was a private conversation an excuse?
No. Players like Stephano are always in the spot light, and always must be aware of what they say. There have been plenty of other cases, some of which include Stephano which already highlight how important this is.
Is Stephano's age a factor?
Yes. Under 21 is very young and it is a time to learn from your mistakes. Most of the people who do not see the inappropriateness of his actions will more than likely also fall into this same age category.
Did Stephano write the letter of apology?
Unlikely, and if it was, it was "fluffed up" by an EG PR representative.
Will Stephano participate in GSL Code S Season 5 2012?
Unlikely. He will use this grace period to train in Korea and come back for the November tournaments.
Is he running away from Code S?
Yes. As long as he keeps avoiding Code S, he will always have a horde of fan boys who do not follow the Korean scene. This is a cunning act of self-marketing. Is Stephano bashed because he's not canadian, American or korean?Yes. Obviously. Is your French patriotism blocking your judgement?Most certainly. I said same kind of things for Naniwa's probe rush. I'm speaking about double standards. The Naniwa incident was with Quantic, this is with EG.... Did I bash EG? wtf are u talking about? Same question. I spoke about Naniwa's probe rush and all the hate you did shit on him. Nothing about EG. It's not about EG, nor Stephano. It's about stupid guys like Stephano or Naniwa who are not treated in the same way than any korean, Idra, Dimaga, Destiny, Thorzain and so many more. Destiny got a whole heap of shit from the community with the whole nude picture thing. Koreans have never done such outlandish things. Idra I can kind of agree on. However Idra has been with EG for so long that he gets away with these things, even though I personally dont agree on it. This is just the way of the real world. In every work place there are always the people who have been there awhile, and suck their bosses dick and get away with pretty much anything. Then there are the people who aren't in their bosses' good books but get in a whole heap of shit for doing similar things. This is just the way the world is.
2 koreans didn't forfeit wcs korea qualifier because there was easy money to get in Dreamhack spring (or maybe winter)? I know, it was just a 4 pages thread, you might not took attention about it. Nobody did.
That's my point. When Stephano says or does some shit : Community new on TL, 138 pages
When 2 koreans forfeit wcs korea for easy money : Community new on TL, 4 pages
This thread is just a player bashing thread. Nothing else. I heard player bashing is punished by a 2 day ban, it seems that rules changed.
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On October 16 2012 07:45 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:43 Snusmumriken wrote:On October 16 2012 07:34 oBlade wrote:On October 16 2012 07:15 Urasim wrote:On October 16 2012 07:07 Kich wrote:On October 16 2012 06:54 waitwhat wrote:
That apology is full of crap. It isn't even written by him. He doesn't speak English that well nor does that statement have any grammatical errors. If it were a real apology, the management wouldn't have written it for him. Also, you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to joke about raping under-aged girls.
To Stephano: You knew you were at the top and represented the world of E-Sports. As soon as you come into money you start acting like a crazy man and say stupid shit that completely ruins OUR image.. not just yours. This is a huge setback for EG and E-Sports as a whole. Since EG will definitely keep you, I hope they get you some professional help. You're not familiar with Stephano, are you? Acting like a crazy man and saying stupid shit is literally all Stephano has done besides slaying mad nerds. No one was bothered by it because he wasn't on EG. Now he is. And you're all butt hurt. Why do people panic about these things? Joking about raping a 14 year old in unacceptable no matter who you are. This is moot and wrong. Stephano didn't joke about raping a 14 year old. Besides that, you just said joking was unacceptable without providing any evidence of that claim. That seems like an over the top response to humor. lol what are you looking for exactly? A quote from the bible saying "tho shalt not make them rapejokes (unless theyre funny)"? If someone comes to me with the attitude of telling people not to do something for no reason, my advice is their approach is wrong and they should just ignore things they don't like.
Again what type of evidence are you looking for? It is obviously unacceptable given that you want to be payed by EG. It is obviously unacceptable, given that you want to be looked upon kindly by this guy. Is it unacceptable in some self-validating external sense? No, but then again nothing is.
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On October 16 2012 07:38 Urasim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 07:32 ReachTheSky wrote:
stupid edits and mis quotes.
Its people like you making a shit storm out of it that is causing it to be an issue. Let it go.
I am not causing a shit storm, wtf. I posted what an outsider sees about the situation. I am not going to the team or sponsors whining about this. I don't want to see e-sports hurt because of an extremely stupid joke by Stephano. But, when the sponsors see this shit, and don't know anything about Stephano, they see something that is VERY bad for their business and they distances themselves from e-sports.
Oops! My mistake, sorry. Yeah i suppose it can be a bit detrimental. I guess i'm the type of person who feels like you should be able to do anything you want as long as you aren't forcing your will on someone. But yeah from a marketing standpoint and If someone just randomly heard "blah blah blah blah" without knowing the context, yeah it can sound bad i suppose.
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Self validating external sense? What are you smoking? ( pm me  )
What we are looking for is a logical reason for why Stefano was wrong. What was ethically wrong about what he did, and what would be the consequences if it went unpunished?
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