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On October 14 2012 21:39 ninjan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 20:55 redt wrote:On October 14 2012 20:38 NagAfightinG wrote: Destiny gets kicked out of Root for using gook and nigger. Stephano talks about abusing 14yo's and how hes attracted to kids, suspended for 1 month. K. Destiny got kicked because he shared child porn. Pictures and text isn't the same, especially when the text is spoken by a player that is really bad at English. xD Don't go around spewing filthy fucking lies like that, Destiny shared a picture of an adult naked woman, not child porn.
Sorry, that was what I remembered.
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I also believe that their should be streaming rules, you can not put everybodys words public. (it isn't called private chat for nothing) and of course it does not mean that EG should just ignore it, i think their punishment is purely symbolic, so sponsers can not be emailed by mad (anti)fans.
But this is something your "employee" does at home and not during working hours. Nor did he spoke as an EG member or something, but just in private. So when you keep in mind, that during non-working hours, he can make EVERY joke that he likes. The only problem now, is that it got streamed and the responsible one for that is Bling.
Bling should be punished, for streaming of private content, or at least take responsibility for it. Because this is the same as putting nude pictures of stephano online. In the way that embarassing stuff of him is posted without permission, or consent.
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On October 14 2012 21:16 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 07:38 Henk wrote:On October 14 2012 07:20 Cheerio wrote:On October 14 2012 07:00 KainiT wrote: Why do people call Stephano rapist? Even if this whole thing is true, in most European countries sex is allowed with 14 year olds, in France it is 15 I think but even then it has nothing to do with rape most European countries? Can you name 5? Spain (13).Germany, Italy, Austria, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia (14). I could write down more. Isn't in Germany sex with 14 year old is only allowed if you are below 18 yourself?
It is 14 unless some conditions are given: + Show Spoiler [source"e, german] +http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__182.html § 182 Sexueller Mißbrauch von Jugendlichen
(1) Wer eine Person unter achtzehn Jahren dadurch missbraucht, dass er unter Ausnutzung einer Zwangslage 1. sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen lässt oder 2. diese dazu bestimmt, sexuelle Handlungen an einem Dritten vorzunehmen oder von einem Dritten an sich vornehmen zu lassen, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. (2) Ebenso wird eine Person über achtzehn Jahren bestraft, die eine Person unter achtzehn Jahren dadurch missbraucht, dass sie gegen Entgelt sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen lässt. (3) Eine Person über einundzwanzig Jahre, die eine Person unter sechzehn Jahren dadurch mißbraucht, daß sie 1. sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen läßt oder 2. diese dazu bestimmt, sexuelle Handlungen an einem Dritten vorzunehmen oder von einem Dritten an sich vornehmen zu lassen, und dabei die fehlende Fähigkeit des Opfers zur sexuellen Selbstbestimmung ausnutzt, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. (4) Der Versuch ist strafbar. (5) In den Fällen des Absatzes 3 wird die Tat nur auf Antrag verfolgt, es sei denn, daß die Strafverfolgungsbehörde wegen des besonderen öffentlichen Interesses an der Strafverfolgung ein Einschreiten von Amts wegen für geboten hält. (6) In den Fällen der Absätze 1 bis 3 kann das Gericht von Strafe nach diesen Vorschriften absehen, wenn bei Berücksichtigung des Verhaltens der Person, gegen die sich die Tat richtet, das Unrecht der Tat gering ist.
It is 14 unless some conditions are given: + Show Spoiler [TL;dr, english] +- If you're abvove 18 and "taking advantage of a predicament" + Show Spoiler +
that's what google translator says. Other translations according to dict.cc might be "plight; exigency; dilemma" really no idea what's the right one. The german one literally means something like 'forced situation'.
- If you're above 18 and paying someone who's not 18 yet for his / her services
- If you're above 21, having sex with someone who isn't 16 yet and do so by exploiting a missing ability to sexually self-determine oneself (the girl/boy below 16). WHATEVER that's supposed to mean
Additional stuff: The third one will only be prosecuted if requested (by one of the parents I guess?) In all three cases the judge can choose to abstain from punishment according to these [did not translate how long you go to jail] paragraphs if the wrongdoing of the person in question (the old one) is considered minor given the behavior of the other person (underage one)
Long story short: Kind of. Actually no idea. I'd guess it's easy for parents to argue you're abusing their childs mental state if the kid in question is 14 or 15 no matter what actually happened but that's just my cynical take on it and no idea if it's really that way. So technically yeah but I wouldn't bet on someone being good. You're going to be okay if you're in some kind of relationship but there's definitely potential to be screwed as an above 21-guy if his / her parents find out.
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On October 14 2012 21:54 Timmsh wrote: I also believe that their should be streaming rules, you can not put everybodys words public. (it isn't called private chat for nothing) and of course it does not mean that EG should just ignore it, i think their punishment is purely symbolic, so sponsers can not be emailed by mad (anti)fans.
But this is something your "employee" does at home and not during working hours. Nor did he spoke as an EG member or something, but just in private. So when you keep in mind, that during non-working hours, he can make EVERY joke that he likes. The only problem now, is that it got streamed and the responsible one for that is Bling.
Bling should be punished, for streaming of private content, or at least take responsibility for it. Because this is the same as putting nude pictures of stephano online. In the way that embarassing stuff of him is posted without permission, or consent.
Streaming rules, you gotta be fucking kidding me.
In the SC2 esports ecosystem you have to expect that people stream, you can't expect privacy from bnet private chat.
Skype etc. on the other hand, that's a bit more tricky.
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On October 14 2012 22:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:16 Cheerio wrote:On October 14 2012 07:38 Henk wrote:On October 14 2012 07:20 Cheerio wrote:On October 14 2012 07:00 KainiT wrote: Why do people call Stephano rapist? Even if this whole thing is true, in most European countries sex is allowed with 14 year olds, in France it is 15 I think but even then it has nothing to do with rape most European countries? Can you name 5? Spain (13).Germany, Italy, Austria, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia (14). I could write down more. Isn't in Germany sex with 14 year old is only allowed if you are below 18 yourself? + Show Spoiler [source"e, german] +http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__182.html § 182 Sexueller Mißbrauch von Jugendlichen
(1) Wer eine Person unter achtzehn Jahren dadurch missbraucht, dass er unter Ausnutzung einer Zwangslage 1. sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen lässt oder 2. diese dazu bestimmt, sexuelle Handlungen an einem Dritten vorzunehmen oder von einem Dritten an sich vornehmen zu lassen, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. (2) Ebenso wird eine Person über achtzehn Jahren bestraft, die eine Person unter achtzehn Jahren dadurch missbraucht, dass sie gegen Entgelt sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen lässt. (3) Eine Person über einundzwanzig Jahre, die eine Person unter sechzehn Jahren dadurch mißbraucht, daß sie 1. sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen läßt oder 2. diese dazu bestimmt, sexuelle Handlungen an einem Dritten vorzunehmen oder von einem Dritten an sich vornehmen zu lassen, und dabei die fehlende Fähigkeit des Opfers zur sexuellen Selbstbestimmung ausnutzt, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. (4) Der Versuch ist strafbar. (5) In den Fällen des Absatzes 3 wird die Tat nur auf Antrag verfolgt, es sei denn, daß die Strafverfolgungsbehörde wegen des besonderen öffentlichen Interesses an der Strafverfolgung ein Einschreiten von Amts wegen für geboten hält. (6) In den Fällen der Absätze 1 bis 3 kann das Gericht von Strafe nach diesen Vorschriften absehen, wenn bei Berücksichtigung des Verhaltens der Person, gegen die sich die Tat richtet, das Unrecht der Tat gering ist.
+ Show Spoiler [TL;dr, english] +It is 14 unless some conditions are given: - If you're abvove 18 and "taking advantage of a predicament" + Show Spoiler +
that's what google translator says. Other translations according to dict.cc might be "plight; exigency; dilemma" really no idea what's the right one. The german one literally means something like 'forced situation'.
- If you're above 18 and paying someone who's not 18 yet for his / her services
- If you're above 21, having sex with someone who isn't 16 yet and do so by exploiting a missing ability to sexually self-determine oneself (the girl/boy below 16). WHATEVER that's supposed to mean
Additional stuff: The third one will only be prosecuted if requested (by one of the parents I guess?) In all three cases the judge can choose to abstain from punishment according to these [did not translate how long you go to jail] paragraphs if the wrongdoing of the person in question (the old one) is considered minor given the behavior of the other person (underage one) Long story short: Kind of. Actually no idea. I'd guess it's easy for parents to argue you're abusing their childs mental state if the kid in question is 14 or 15 no matter what actually happened but that's just my cynical take on it and no idea if it's really that way.
14 is legal, whether the partner is 17 or 57. Unless [paragraph you quoted].
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On October 14 2012 22:15 DJFaqU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 22:06 Toadesstern wrote:On October 14 2012 21:16 Cheerio wrote:On October 14 2012 07:38 Henk wrote:On October 14 2012 07:20 Cheerio wrote:On October 14 2012 07:00 KainiT wrote: Why do people call Stephano rapist? Even if this whole thing is true, in most European countries sex is allowed with 14 year olds, in France it is 15 I think but even then it has nothing to do with rape most European countries? Can you name 5? Spain (13).Germany, Italy, Austria, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia (14). I could write down more. Isn't in Germany sex with 14 year old is only allowed if you are below 18 yourself? + Show Spoiler [source"e, german] +http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__182.html § 182 Sexueller Mißbrauch von Jugendlichen
(1) Wer eine Person unter achtzehn Jahren dadurch missbraucht, dass er unter Ausnutzung einer Zwangslage 1. sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen lässt oder 2. diese dazu bestimmt, sexuelle Handlungen an einem Dritten vorzunehmen oder von einem Dritten an sich vornehmen zu lassen, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. (2) Ebenso wird eine Person über achtzehn Jahren bestraft, die eine Person unter achtzehn Jahren dadurch missbraucht, dass sie gegen Entgelt sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen lässt. (3) Eine Person über einundzwanzig Jahre, die eine Person unter sechzehn Jahren dadurch mißbraucht, daß sie 1. sexuelle Handlungen an ihr vornimmt oder an sich von ihr vornehmen läßt oder 2. diese dazu bestimmt, sexuelle Handlungen an einem Dritten vorzunehmen oder von einem Dritten an sich vornehmen zu lassen, und dabei die fehlende Fähigkeit des Opfers zur sexuellen Selbstbestimmung ausnutzt, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft. (4) Der Versuch ist strafbar. (5) In den Fällen des Absatzes 3 wird die Tat nur auf Antrag verfolgt, es sei denn, daß die Strafverfolgungsbehörde wegen des besonderen öffentlichen Interesses an der Strafverfolgung ein Einschreiten von Amts wegen für geboten hält. (6) In den Fällen der Absätze 1 bis 3 kann das Gericht von Strafe nach diesen Vorschriften absehen, wenn bei Berücksichtigung des Verhaltens der Person, gegen die sich die Tat richtet, das Unrecht der Tat gering ist.
+ Show Spoiler [TL;dr, english] +It is 14 unless some conditions are given: - If you're abvove 18 and "taking advantage of a predicament" + Show Spoiler +
that's what google translator says. Other translations according to dict.cc might be "plight; exigency; dilemma" really no idea what's the right one. The german one literally means something like 'forced situation'.
- If you're above 18 and paying someone who's not 18 yet for his / her services
- If you're above 21, having sex with someone who isn't 16 yet and do so by exploiting a missing ability to sexually self-determine oneself (the girl/boy below 16). WHATEVER that's supposed to mean
Additional stuff: The third one will only be prosecuted if requested (by one of the parents I guess?) In all three cases the judge can choose to abstain from punishment according to these [did not translate how long you go to jail] paragraphs if the wrongdoing of the person in question (the old one) is considered minor given the behavior of the other person (underage one) Long story short: Kind of. Actually no idea. I'd guess it's easy for parents to argue you're abusing their childs mental state if the kid in question is 14 or 15 no matter what actually happened but that's just my cynical take on it and no idea if it's really that way. 14 is legal, whether the partner is 17 or 57. Unless [paragraph you quoted]. exactly what I meant. Probably shouldn't have put It is 14 unless some conditions are given: withing the quote as well :p
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Love people who say Stephano should be banned for life etc etc. You fucking serious? hes 19 years old, a kid being played a shit load to do what he loves, what kind of behaviour do you expect? I find it to believe that many people in his position would be as professional and mature as for example a 40 y.o professional golf player or something
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On October 14 2012 21:43 redt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:39 ninjan wrote:On October 14 2012 20:55 redt wrote:On October 14 2012 20:38 NagAfightinG wrote: Destiny gets kicked out of Root for using gook and nigger. Stephano talks about abusing 14yo's and how hes attracted to kids, suspended for 1 month. K. Destiny got kicked because he shared child porn. Pictures and text isn't the same, especially when the text is spoken by a player that is really bad at English. xD Don't go around spewing filthy fucking lies like that, Destiny shared a picture of an adult naked woman, not child porn. Sorry, that was what I remembered. You fuck peoples images up pretty hard by slurring their names when you have no idea what you're talking about. No one gives a shit what you remember, you should try and actually research the topic you're going to slur someone about before you decide to post.
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People on the internet have a serious problem with irony.
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Somebody is really OFFENDED by what Stephano said ?
I mean really, choked ?
Stupidiy...
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On October 14 2012 22:12 rEiGN~ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:54 Timmsh wrote: I also believe that their should be streaming rules, you can not put everybodys words public. (it isn't called private chat for nothing) and of course it does not mean that EG should just ignore it, i think their punishment is purely symbolic, so sponsers can not be emailed by mad (anti)fans.
But this is something your "employee" does at home and not during working hours. Nor did he spoke as an EG member or something, but just in private. So when you keep in mind, that during non-working hours, he can make EVERY joke that he likes. The only problem now, is that it got streamed and the responsible one for that is Bling.
Bling should be punished, for streaming of private content, or at least take responsibility for it. Because this is the same as putting nude pictures of stephano online. In the way that embarassing stuff of him is posted without permission, or consent. Streaming rules, you gotta be fucking kidding me. In the SC2 esports ecosystem you have to expect that people stream, you can't expect privacy from bnet private chat. Skype etc. on the other hand, that's a bit more tricky.
haha thats exactly what i mean, only you describe it differently! Appearently Bnet is not private, and you should regard it as public. <--- Streaming rule! unfortunately Stephano did not get the Memo
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On October 14 2012 22:31 Hurricaned wrote: People on the internet have a serious problem with irony.
And you seem to have a serious problem realizing the meaning of the word irony
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Well, there's an article now on Kotaku about Stephano, and another one on Gamespot. That escalated pretty quickly. Maybe it is going to end with Stephano on Millenium again?
And even if i'm a fan of Stephano gaming style, i would have a hard time defending him. He pretty much acknowledge the fact he was a classless horny teenager and that he benefit from the stupidity of a 14 years old girl. Sure, it happens all the time, and as long as it was consensual, the police would look away. Doesn't change the fact an adult should know best that fucking a starstruck young teenager.
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I don't take any offence from these kind of jokes and can't see how anyone can, but if haters really email the sponsors I can understand EG being forced to action. Kinda sad, but this is how the world works. It's a bit like people talking shit about work on Facebook. Sure it's in private, but on the internet nothing really is private, so any reasonable person keep from posting such things.
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On October 14 2012 21:05 nemahsys wrote: Not seeing the big deal here. 14 year olds have been having sex for thousands of years. Not that long ago it was perfectly common for a girl that age to be getting married and having fucking children. Take your wannabe morality that has been conditioned into you by puritanical society and go get laid.
I lost my v-card at 14 and its wasnt some horribly traumatic experience for me or the girl involved, in fact we enjoyed ourselves quite a bit. And if you cant joke about sex with your buddies anymore then just shoot me now cause I dont want to be a part of this madness anymore!
This is a civilized world where under-age children should not be allowed to have sex, sex just isn't "sex" there are implications and it's not just as simple as most horny people who can't hold it in their pants think. The person could at least make sex jokes about girls there same age.
I am very disappointed in the TL community who think it's appropriate to make sex jokes about 14 year old girls, this implies how immature the community is, and how little they know about the "real world"
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How can people be so ignorant and take this so lightly? He should be glad he's still on the team. There are some things you just cant say in public, and if you do, you get fired. This is one of those things. It might not be the fact that he did it's more about how he phrased it. Implying that he might have turned into a pedophile. The legal age in France is 15 and the girl was 14.
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Great, Gamespot uses the "drunk Stephano guided by police" picture for the story, Kotaku uses a screenshot with Blings face. There's your "esports journalism", have fun with it.
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On October 14 2012 22:53 NovemberstOrm wrote:
This is a civilized world where under-age children should not be allowed to have sex
Well, they are. There are some law that are meant to protect them even more than adults because they are young. But no law intends to forbid a youg girl to do whatever she wants with her body.
Anyway it is instructing to know that there are still some people in the so-called civilized world who think they know better than me (and my daugther herself) what my daughter should do and when.
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Fourteen-year-olds, Dude.
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