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imMUTAble787
United States680 Posts
I really don't care either way what happens to either person. That being said, just because someone articulates their perspective well doesn't mean that it should cause you to abandon your ability to think critically. The best liars are very charismatic and believable. That is why they are good at it. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria888 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:13 veralynn wrote: There are 2 things that I did wrong - One financial and one moral/ethical. I can rectify the financial situation by issuing refunds ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zhCve.png) Those who received refunds can confirm the above should they wish. I cannot fully rectify or answer the moral/ethical questions - I have done what I see is all I can do retrospectively by giving the entire truth of the situation. Again, I do not intend on responding unless it is necessary. Very good step, as I was saying, showing proof helps a ton. Do you have any proof of the convo with DA, where he is the one suggesting this and convincing you?? I think that may be the biggest key here... either way this just keeps snowballing for him. And even though I doubt this will get much better for you, as it's about as bad as it can be... this is a step in the right direction. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria888 Posts
Edit: oops this was supposed to just be edited into my post above.. My bad, mod can delete if they wish, it is late here. | ||
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DecisionTheory
78 Posts
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Flipshy
United States83 Posts
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote: First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were: I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me. Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel. While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful. As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts. When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel. We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that. The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this. I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this. I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary. I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them. What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell. This is a pathetic an d sickening attempt at a cover up? grow esports with extreme fraudulence? Acknowledging you were doing something wrong but saying it was to grow esports? Fucking lol, Having him play in a female tourney for you? Happy you got caught? you are a disgrace. Oh wow you turned back the money you robbed to make it look better big fucking deal. You are a pathological liar and a sociopath, everything revolves around you. BRB robbing from a bank and just giving it back if i get caught all charges dropped. This whole article is an insult to the community.Yes leave the scene and never come back, you are a cancer to it | ||
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Petrify
10 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:48 imMUTAble787 wrote: The lack of discernment I've read through in the last few pages is alarming. I really don't care either way what happens to either person. That being said, just because someone articulates their perspective well doesn't mean that it should cause you to abandon your ability to think critically. The best liars are very charismatic and believable. That is why they are good at it. They are strong characteristics of sociopaths. Veralynn ticks so many of the boxes. | ||
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Angry.Zerg
Mexico305 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3nNewnCQAE7i_T.png:large) User was warned for this post | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7795 Posts
"I'm not an angel. I'm a DEATH angel. I'm the villain. I'm the bad guy. My black hair represents the turmoil I feel in my heart. Was I always doomed to play this role? Was I a DeathAngel from the time I was born? When does the man get seperated from the ID? Can a person have them be one in the same?" Plus, I also had no idea who the hell VeraLynn was, so I find my levels of caring about this to be quite low. Sucks for people who lost money, but VeraLynn appears to be taking steps to make things right, at least. | ||
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Sky101
United States1758 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:47 Petrify wrote: Jesus. If I ever steal something from someone as soon as I get caught I'm just going to hand it back and then everything will be cool. Seriously, this girl is a pathological liar. I honestly think if she was a male you would all be much more harsh on her. I hope one day you'd make a mistake, and the whole world forever condemns you for it, regardless of how sincerely sorry you are, and how genuine you work at fixing your mistake. Yeah, I really hope so. Some of you are just drama addicts. | ||
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USApwn
United States81 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:51 DecisionTheory wrote: IMHO there is nothing wrong with what either of them did. Fuck morals and ethics Damn bro you are hardcore. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:51 Petrify wrote: They are strong characteristics of sociopaths. Veralynn ticks so many of the boxes. Yep, I also noted how she didn't mention Desrow/Ziktomini showmatches, which were commented on by the private sponsor of them, but however did comment on Tarson (also not receiving payment, just like in Desrow/Ziktomini), and went on to mention how she paid DeathAngel anyways. That and other things (like her claimed coaching numbers being completely unbelievable, I having helped run an SC2 coaching site before) make me wonder if this is all a coincidence or just another phase of her scam. | ||
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MQM5K
United States53 Posts
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Petrify
10 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:52 Sky101 wrote: I hope one day you'd make a mistake, and the whole world forever condemns you for it, regardless of how sincerely sorry you are, and how genuine you work at fixing your mistake. Yeah, I really hope so. Some of you are just drama addicts. Hmm making a mistake and getting condemned forever for it regardless of how sincerely sorry you are... sounds like what happens to anybody who commits a crime and gets a criminal record. Have you ever heard of someone stealing and getting forgiven by court because they were sorry? There's a difference between being a drama addict and actually having a sense of justice. | ||
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Flipshy
United States83 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:52 Sky101 wrote: I hope one day you'd make a mistake, and the whole world forever condemns you for it, regardless of how sincerely sorry you are, and how genuine you work at fixing your mistake. Yeah, I really hope so. Some of you are just drama addicts. lol pathetic white knighting here.... i robbed a bank and got caught, but now that im feeling the wrath ill just return the money and everything will be cool, if she hadnt of been caught and if it wasnt for kawaii and desrow she would have leeched who knows how much money from sc2 and we already know its hard enogh for up and comers to make a living off it as it is.. you should leave the scene with her | ||
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Advaita
United States1 Post
My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV Lol. No. | ||
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DecisionTheory
78 Posts
I know right? Damn it feels good to be a gangster | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + sry love u Scarlett / Puck and I hope u learn something veralynn | ||
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On September 25 2012 13:48 lisward wrote: You know what's worse than being a liar and a cheat? A rat. RatZ stay RatZ | ||
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