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imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
September 25 2012 04:48 GMT
#1001
The lack of discernment I've read through in the last few pages is alarming.

I really don't care either way what happens to either person. That being said, just because someone articulates their perspective well doesn't mean that it should cause you to abandon your ability to think critically.

The best liars are very charismatic and believable. That is why they are good at it.
*eternalenvy fanboy*
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria917 Posts
September 25 2012 04:49 GMT
#1002
On September 25 2012 13:13 veralynn wrote:
There are 2 things that I did wrong - One financial and one moral/ethical.

I can rectify the financial situation by issuing refunds

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Those who received refunds can confirm the above should they wish.

I cannot fully rectify or answer the moral/ethical questions - I have done what I see is all I can do retrospectively by giving the entire truth of the situation.

Again, I do not intend on responding unless it is necessary.


Very good step, as I was saying, showing proof helps a ton. Do you have any proof of the convo with DA, where he is the one suggesting this and convincing you?? I think that may be the biggest key here... either way this just keeps snowballing for him. And even though I doubt this will get much better for you, as it's about as bad as it can be... this is a step in the right direction.
Livin' this life like it was written.
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria917 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:51:56
September 25 2012 04:50 GMT
#1003
Sigh, I am done with this thread. I hope people sort this out, cause I don't even want to think about it anymore.

Edit: oops this was supposed to just be edited into my post above.. My bad, mod can delete if they wish, it is late here.
Livin' this life like it was written.
DecisionTheory
Profile Joined April 2012
78 Posts
September 25 2012 04:51 GMT
#1004
IMHO there is nothing wrong with what either of them did. Fuck morals and ethics
Flipshy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:54:07
September 25 2012 04:51 GMT
#1005
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.


This is a pathetic an d sickening attempt at a cover up? grow esports with extreme fraudulence? Acknowledging you were doing something wrong but saying it was to grow esports? Fucking lol, Having him play in a female tourney for you? Happy you got caught? you are a disgrace. Oh wow you turned back the money you robbed to make it look better big fucking deal. You are a pathological liar and a sociopath, everything revolves around you. BRB robbing from a bank and just giving it back if i get caught all charges dropped. This whole article is an insult to the community.Yes leave the scene and never come back, you are a cancer to it
Petrify
Profile Joined June 2011
10 Posts
September 25 2012 04:51 GMT
#1006
On September 25 2012 13:48 imMUTAble787 wrote:
The lack of discernment I've read through in the last few pages is alarming.

I really don't care either way what happens to either person. That being said, just because someone articulates their perspective well doesn't mean that it should cause you to abandon your ability to think critically.

The best liars are very charismatic and believable. That is why they are good at it.


They are strong characteristics of sociopaths. Veralynn ticks so many of the boxes.
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 04:58:04
September 25 2012 04:51 GMT
#1007
She deserve to be remembered as an infamous meme

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User was warned for this post
You play to win
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
September 25 2012 04:51 GMT
#1008
I'm forgiving DeathAngel for this because not only is he a legitimately good player, but I find his posts fucking hilarious.

"I'm not an angel. I'm a DEATH angel. I'm the villain. I'm the bad guy. My black hair represents the turmoil I feel in my heart. Was I always doomed to play this role? Was I a DeathAngel from the time I was born? When does the man get seperated from the ID? Can a person have them be one in the same?"

Plus, I also had no idea who the hell VeraLynn was, so I find my levels of caring about this to be quite low. Sucks for people who lost money, but VeraLynn appears to be taking steps to make things right, at least.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
September 25 2012 04:52 GMT
#1009
On September 25 2012 13:47 Petrify wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:43 Sky101 wrote:
Of course it's not all "cool" that she's now refunded all monetary gains she's acquired through deception, but the point is she's trying to right her wrongs, and that's commendable.

I'm nobody, just a bystander who happens to stumble upon this thread today, but I forgive you Veralyn. Hope you learn from your mistakes, we all make them, and move on to be a better person.


Jesus. If I ever steal something from someone as soon as I get caught I'm just going to hand it back and then everything will be cool.

Seriously, this girl is a pathological liar. I honestly think if she was a male you would all be much more harsh on her.

I hope one day you'd make a mistake, and the whole world forever condemns you for it, regardless of how sincerely sorry you are, and how genuine you work at fixing your mistake. Yeah, I really hope so.

Some of you are just drama addicts.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
USApwn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States81 Posts
September 25 2012 04:53 GMT
#1010
This is terrible and should never be allowed to happen again... Black list her and DeathAngel. We should discus how to prevent this from happening in future tournaments
"The beginning of wisdom in human as well as international affairs was knowing when to stop." Henry Kissinger
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
September 25 2012 04:53 GMT
#1011
On September 25 2012 13:51 DecisionTheory wrote:
IMHO there is nothing wrong with what either of them did. Fuck morals and ethics


Damn bro you are hardcore.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 25 2012 04:54 GMT
#1012
On September 25 2012 13:51 Petrify wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:48 imMUTAble787 wrote:
The lack of discernment I've read through in the last few pages is alarming.

I really don't care either way what happens to either person. That being said, just because someone articulates their perspective well doesn't mean that it should cause you to abandon your ability to think critically.

The best liars are very charismatic and believable. That is why they are good at it.


They are strong characteristics of sociopaths. Veralynn ticks so many of the boxes.

Yep, I also noted how she didn't mention Desrow/Ziktomini showmatches, which were commented on by the private sponsor of them, but however did comment on Tarson (also not receiving payment, just like in Desrow/Ziktomini), and went on to mention how she paid DeathAngel anyways.

That and other things (like her claimed coaching numbers being completely unbelievable, I having helped run an SC2 coaching site before) make me wonder if this is all a coincidence or just another phase of her scam.
MQM5K
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States53 Posts
September 25 2012 04:55 GMT
#1013
lol at the online psychologist popping up.
Petrify
Profile Joined June 2011
10 Posts
September 25 2012 04:55 GMT
#1014
On September 25 2012 13:52 Sky101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:47 Petrify wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:43 Sky101 wrote:
Of course it's not all "cool" that she's now refunded all monetary gains she's acquired through deception, but the point is she's trying to right her wrongs, and that's commendable.

I'm nobody, just a bystander who happens to stumble upon this thread today, but I forgive you Veralyn. Hope you learn from your mistakes, we all make them, and move on to be a better person.


Jesus. If I ever steal something from someone as soon as I get caught I'm just going to hand it back and then everything will be cool.

Seriously, this girl is a pathological liar. I honestly think if she was a male you would all be much more harsh on her.

I hope one day you'd make a mistake, and the whole world forever condemns you for it, regardless of how sincerely sorry you are, and how genuine you work at fixing your mistake. Yeah, I really hope so.

Some of you are just drama addicts.



Hmm making a mistake and getting condemned forever for it regardless of how sincerely sorry you are... sounds like what happens to anybody who commits a crime and gets a criminal record.

Have you ever heard of someone stealing and getting forgiven by court because they were sorry?

There's a difference between being a drama addict and actually having a sense of justice.
Flipshy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States83 Posts
September 25 2012 04:56 GMT
#1015
On September 25 2012 13:52 Sky101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:47 Petrify wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:43 Sky101 wrote:
Of course it's not all "cool" that she's now refunded all monetary gains she's acquired through deception, but the point is she's trying to right her wrongs, and that's commendable.

I'm nobody, just a bystander who happens to stumble upon this thread today, but I forgive you Veralyn. Hope you learn from your mistakes, we all make them, and move on to be a better person.


Jesus. If I ever steal something from someone as soon as I get caught I'm just going to hand it back and then everything will be cool.

Seriously, this girl is a pathological liar. I honestly think if she was a male you would all be much more harsh on her.

I hope one day you'd make a mistake, and the whole world forever condemns you for it, regardless of how sincerely sorry you are, and how genuine you work at fixing your mistake. Yeah, I really hope so.

Some of you are just drama addicts.


lol pathetic white knighting here.... i robbed a bank and got caught, but now that im feeling the wrath ill just return the money and everything will be cool, if she hadnt of been caught and if it wasnt for kawaii and desrow she would have leeched who knows how much money from sc2 and we already know its hard enogh for up and comers to make a living off it as it is.. you should leave the scene with her
Advaita
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1 Post
September 25 2012 04:56 GMT
#1016
My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV


Lol. No.
Plunge into it, move with it, and join.
DecisionTheory
Profile Joined April 2012
78 Posts
September 25 2012 04:56 GMT
#1017
On September 25 2012 13:53 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:51 DecisionTheory wrote:
IMHO there is nothing wrong with what either of them did. Fuck morals and ethics


Damn bro you are hardcore.


I know right? Damn it feels good to be a gangster
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
September 25 2012 04:56 GMT
#1018
The only thing that can resolve this is an only-girls-showdown-tournament between Veralynn, Scarlett and Puck
+ Show Spoiler +
sry love u Scarlett / Puck and I hope u learn something veralynn
WilDMousE
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile1335 Posts
September 25 2012 04:56 GMT
#1019
Kant would be proud to talk about the categoric imperative :D
Barackopala
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
September 25 2012 04:56 GMT
#1020
On September 25 2012 13:48 lisward wrote:
You know what's worse than being a liar and a cheat? A rat.

RatZ stay RatZ
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
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