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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
October 04 2012 03:45 GMT
#141
I don't really agree with the whole "If I take time off to recover with surgery I may as well retire" mentality.

Kespa players started playing SC2 super late and look how fast they are rising. It may take a month or two once he comes back before he starts winning anything, but I don't think it's that big a deal. You can always watch and stay up to date with current events and the metagame that way.

Thanks for the translation.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 04 2012 04:02 GMT
#142
On October 04 2012 12:45 Grobyc wrote:
I don't really agree with the whole "If I take time off to recover with surgery I may as well retire" mentality.

Kespa players started playing SC2 super late and look how fast they are rising. It may take a month or two once he comes back before he starts winning anything, but I don't think it's that big a deal. You can always watch and stay up to date with current events and the metagame that way.

Thanks for the translation.


But spinal surgeries are pretty serious and no one knows the time line for recovery.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 04 2012 04:41 GMT
#143
I really hope he takes a break after this GSL (whether he wins it or not) to get his neck fixed. With the impending arrival of HOTS, this is the ideal time to attend to his health without losing too much ground. Please think about it! And good luck vs Rain.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 04 2012 04:45 GMT
#144
Mvp fans have to go through this emotional roller-coaster.

Giddy when he busts out his amazing skill and rolls through his opponent.
Ever worried, his condition always lingering at the back of our minds.
Sometimes depressingly sad when he loses and we note the toll of his injury.

I really do hope that GOM will have the courtesy to safeguard his Code S spot for him while he gets treatment. Even if it only alleviates the condition by a little, his health has to come first.
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 04 2012 08:45 GMT
#145
On October 04 2012 12:45 Grobyc wrote:
I don't really agree with the whole "If I take time off to recover with surgery I may as well retire" mentality.

Kespa players started playing SC2 super late and look how fast they are rising. It may take a month or two once he comes back before he starts winning anything, but I don't think it's that big a deal. You can always watch and stay up to date with current events and the metagame that way.

Thanks for the translation.

You might want to read the article again. With his injury there is no way it takes only a month or 2. It is unknown how long it takes. Might be a year or 2 even.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
October 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#146
On October 04 2012 17:45 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 12:45 Grobyc wrote:
I don't really agree with the whole "If I take time off to recover with surgery I may as well retire" mentality.

Kespa players started playing SC2 super late and look how fast they are rising. It may take a month or two once he comes back before he starts winning anything, but I don't think it's that big a deal. You can always watch and stay up to date with current events and the metagame that way.

Thanks for the translation.

You might want to read the article again. With his injury there is no way it takes only a month or 2. It is unknown how long it takes. Might be a year or 2 even.

I know, I said a month or two before he starts winning when he comes back, not that he would be out for only a month or two.

Even so, it's not worth risking permanent injury to your body to continue like this.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
October 04 2012 23:01 GMT
#147
I dont know in batman when his back is broken by bane he just snaps it back in and stand there until he walk again so maybe mvp can do that?
lailaiwd
Profile Joined October 2012
United States65 Posts
October 07 2012 16:49 GMT
#148
Hey guys, we can try to imagine Mvp's pain and dilemma and all, but we'll never fully understand the kind of choices he has to confront. It's true we've seen Mvp dominated for a long time, but we must be reminded that it's probably b/c of 99% of perspiration and 1% of inspiration. Look at MVPsc, who also had tons of promises back then. Now he can't even get into Code S. The kind of competition Mvp faces is beyond us. Considering his family circumstances, which makes me respect him infinitely more, he must feel a huge responsibility on him to support his parents, his girlfriend, and his future kids. Either he remains in Code S and fights his heart out and knows that he's tried his best, or he gets EXPENSIVE treatment, loses practice time, and possibly losing sponsorship.

As fans, we can't act like selfish, whining kids who want him to play despite his injury. But, we can't act like we are snobs and point fingers at him for not getting his treatment. We can't assume financial security nor a successful treatment for Mvp. Mvp doesn't need our pity and instinctive advice, he needs our respect and recommendations based on calculations.

I say that we either continue to support Mvp for fighting against all odds (without whining about his injury), or actually approximate his financial assets, approximate the costs of the surgery and the recovery time, and devise a comprehensive plan responsible not only for the best case scenario but also the worst case scenario. These are the times that try men's souls: if Mvp so inspired us with his sense of responsibility, can't we learn to be more responsible too?
In Mvp I trust.
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
October 07 2012 17:42 GMT
#149
This looks like a soap :\ unfortunately it's all true.
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
October 07 2012 17:45 GMT
#150
would chiropractic treatment help? it is the problems with his spine after all
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
October 07 2012 19:43 GMT
#151
Wow, what an amazing life story. I'm definitely rooting for this guy against rain even though I play Toss!
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 07 2012 19:50 GMT
#152
Honestly, I would love to see Mvp undergo extensive treatment and get his condition fixed once and for all.

Still, I don't think this is the right time - he's in Code S Semifinals. He's at the point where he has an extremely realistic shot of winning the entire GSL. Even if he manages to defeat Rain and loses in the Finals, he will still have made a huge amount of money, waaay more than the payout for Semifinals.

Semifinals - $4,300
2nd Place - $17,000
1st Place - $42,500

That's right, winning his match against Rain will gain him a whopping $13,000.
Winning another series after beating Rain will gain him $25,500.
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
October 07 2012 20:03 GMT
#153
On September 25 2012 02:43 ACrow wrote:
Get a treatment, seriously. With the impeding switch to HotS he wouldn't even lose out too much by recovering three months. Health is sooooooo important...


Yes, the end of this GSL would be the perfect timing. Especially in the first few months of HotS the metagame will shift like crazy.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
October 07 2012 20:09 GMT
#154
T_T Get will Mvp!
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
October 07 2012 20:23 GMT
#155
Hmm... so are we gonna send him like a "Please get the treatment, we we will always love you and will be rooting for you, when you return" card? Sounds like he really needs the encouragement from people to know that the fans will still be there :O
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 07 2012 20:46 GMT
#156
On October 08 2012 05:03 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 02:43 ACrow wrote:
Get a treatment, seriously. With the impeding switch to HotS he wouldn't even lose out too much by recovering three months. Health is sooooooo important...


Yes, the end of this GSL would be the perfect timing. Especially in the first few months of HotS the metagame will shift like crazy.


Except that the treatment won't take 3 months.

The treatment is likely to take 1-2 years or more, and it's possible that the treatment won't help him recover permanently. The treatment may alleviate the symptoms, it might make his condition worse.

Mvp's mentality makes sense: he might feel that he should go out with a bang and leave with no regrets, because he may never be able to return.
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
October 08 2012 00:03 GMT
#157
Manly tears were shed. T_T

Please MVP, I'm on my knees, after this tournament get the treatment done already! Health is the most important thing. Don't drag it on too long before it becomes permanent.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
October 08 2012 00:35 GMT
#158
he can't afford to take 1-2 years off... flash could have won 5 gsl's in the meantime and all of code s could be trampling with elephants... I think he's realistic and knows that this is the best time for him to rack up as much money as he can before HOTS arrives and changes the playing field once again.
will216
Profile Joined August 2012
United States185 Posts
October 08 2012 00:41 GMT
#159
I think MVP will retire after this. Sad, but the truth . Or should take the rest of the year off and come back in 2013 .
I'm not the greatest , but I will be one day ...
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 00:56:16
October 08 2012 00:50 GMT
#160
On October 05 2012 07:45 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 17:45 Assirra wrote:
On October 04 2012 12:45 Grobyc wrote:
I don't really agree with the whole "If I take time off to recover with surgery I may as well retire" mentality.

Kespa players started playing SC2 super late and look how fast they are rising. It may take a month or two once he comes back before he starts winning anything, but I don't think it's that big a deal. You can always watch and stay up to date with current events and the metagame that way.

Thanks for the translation.

You might want to read the article again. With his injury there is no way it takes only a month or 2. It is unknown how long it takes. Might be a year or 2 even.

I know, I said a month or two before he starts winning when he comes back, not that he would be out for only a month or two.

Even so, it's not worth risking permanent injury to your body to continue like this.

He already has the permanent injury that has to be operated upon. He's still making GSL semis/finals; you're suggesting it's unreasonable to delay surgery when you're making $20k+/month, have no other skills, and likely won't be able to repeat the same results in a years time?

He's not delusional; the KeSPA guys/new ESF blood like life are really fucking good. It's an awful situation for him, but his handling of it is pretty understandable. Retiring when he gets surgery does seem like a solid call. Hope it all works out for him =(
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