On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote: Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc. You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over. MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.
You are happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team? Well even if it turns out true which i dont believe (see stephano-mill-complexity case)...GET A LIFE!
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote: Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc. You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over. MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.
Fuzer is the guy who risked his own money in order to bring to light some questionable actions taken by the MoW crew. His actions will be appreciated by the community.
In the meantime MoW press release is utter BS. Sorry, but Fuzer is the one who gets the better end of the stick here.
On September 13 2012 23:21 Cheerio wrote: Ok I didnt read the thread (sorry but its 100 pages in 1 day for a nonlivereporting thread... wow) just my impression from the point of view of both sides. 1) MoW failed to inform the player of the full costs of living in the house before he moved in (streaming revenues). 2) Demanding % of streaming is probably ok BUT MoW should have explained their rationale behind it. It wasn't done. 3) 10 years part is just hilarious. Total fail. Basicly after this a normal reader figures out who are the bad guys here. 4) Demanding a player to send credentials of his lawyer is fail again. He is seeking advice from someone he trusts, why would MoW need his credentials? Smells like timewasting or just preventing the contract from leaking out (as it clearly is that bad) 5) The relationships between Boss and Fuzer were bad. It's clear from both sides (the 4 am part, and throwing money part). Looks like only one of them was in position of power he decieded to use it to force the other one out. 6) Fuzer was right demanding legal counsel so forcing him out before he got it looks kind of cruel. 7) Refusing to pay the fair sum of money owned to Fuzer is another big fail. That is basicly robbing him of his money. Even after the things got rough and into the public MoW still owns those money. 8) Threatening with NDA when Fuzer mentions going public... that just stinks.
TL got outraged? Sure thing it did. This is bad, like super bad. No wonder Fuzer decided against "peaceful resolution" after all of that, I would have done no less if I were him. What I expect from MoW: 1) Fire Boss. He is clearly the villain here. 2) Appologise to Fuzer. 3) Give him his money back. 4) Fix those stupid contracts for the god's sake. and maybe you can get out of it yet.
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote: Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc. You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over. MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.
Ah, you are that kind of people who apply corruption? LOL
They offered his money back AFTER he said that he will make this public.
would any of you guys just pay 600$ to go to europe? It's like 1 month of rent and you can go sight seeing. :D Fuzzer will def win this. boss guy is a dbag
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote: Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc. You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over. MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.
Ah, you are that kind of people who apply corruption? LOL
They offered his money back AFTER he said that he will make this public.
Well I guess one shouldn't contract Fuzer to a pro team if they wish to blackmail him since it obviously doesn't work.
I'm sorry I don't know if someone already posted it and I'm not going to search ~70 pages for it (went to sleep after page 30 or so last night) but darkforce made a videoon what he thinks about this particular situation and about similar situations in esports
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote: Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc. You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over. MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.
Has this guy been trolling for a full 18 hours now? Seriously...
On September 13 2012 22:44 Doodsmack wrote: Guess putting the word drama into your thread title attracts the queens like moths to a flame lol. There is nothing more to be said in this thread, it's just the queens beating a dead horse now. You have no new insight or argument to offer, so just let it rest. Do you not care if the community becomes more known for drama than anything else. Maybe give some thought to the possibility that that reputation is caused by threads like this carrying on for way too long.
And no I'm not hypocritical for posting here, because someone has to do it so that newcomers to the thread see that ARE reasonable voices out there.
How blind do you have to be to say something like that? It's not like we were discussing about Destiny's relationship problem or his dick. We are discussing about the legitimacy of a business in the community which is a serious matter and not just another pointless drama. Thanks to all the pointless drama before people like you can't distinguish pointless drama from serious issues within the community anymore.
Take posts with a grain of salt. Everyone commenting in this community is not mature enough to understand the difference between drama and contract agreements.
I remember one of the first posts they made introducing MoW. And they were not focused on the business side of the house like this. Seems like Fuzer got tricked a bit by that.
Ok what will happen from now? I bet people already emailed sponsors etc which i think it's overreacting. But i think MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation imo. I knew something was fishy with this house i had this feeling all the time.
If you haven't contacted the sponsors when times are good to tell them that you approve and like what they're doing, you have absolutely no right contacting them when you have complaints. People need to stop the witch-hunts that always emerge when something like this comes to light. If you simply wait around, passively observing you'll see if there actually is any truth to what Fuzer is claiming. Not that I think him a liar or anything, but I just think you need to hear both sides of the story before you can make yourself an assessment of what is really going on.
But as many of you have stated before, MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation from now on. I believe most people will keep an extra eye on them from now on.
On September 14 2012 00:10 droken wrote: If you haven't contacted the sponsors when times are good to tell them that you approve and like what they're doing, you have absolutely no right contacting them when you have complaints. People need to stop the witch-hunts that always emerge when something like this comes to light. If you simply wait around, passively observing you'll see if there actually is any truth to what Fuzer is claiming. Not that I think him a liar or anything, but I just think you need to hear both sides of the story before you can make yourself an assessment of what is really going on.
But as many of you have stated before, MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation from now on. I believe most people will keep an extra eye on them from now on.
its not surprising because quite a few people will encounter an opportunity in their life where they get to play the "good" guy or the "bad" guy, and MoW chose to be the bad guy. that is, even if they're not legally in the wrong (which I believe they are).
600 euros wouldn't really make or break someone who can own a house and stay out late at nightclubs.
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