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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
mijagi182
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland797 Posts
September 13 2012 14:36 GMT
#2121
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.


You are happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team? Well even if it turns out true which i dont believe (see stephano-mill-complexity case)...GET A LIFE!
oh in the sun sun having fun
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
September 13 2012 14:36 GMT
#2122
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.


Fuzer is the guy who risked his own money in order to bring to light some questionable actions taken by the MoW crew. His actions will be appreciated by the community.

In the meantime MoW press release is utter BS. Sorry, but Fuzer is the one who gets the better end of the stick here.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
September 13 2012 14:37 GMT
#2123
Grats EG. Stephano!
.............
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 13 2012 14:43 GMT
#2124
On September 13 2012 23:21 Cheerio wrote:
Ok I didnt read the thread (sorry but its 100 pages in 1 day for a nonlivereporting thread... wow) just my impression from the point of view of both sides.
1) MoW failed to inform the player of the full costs of living in the house before he moved in (streaming revenues).
2) Demanding % of streaming is probably ok BUT MoW should have explained their rationale behind it. It wasn't done.
3) 10 years part is just hilarious. Total fail. Basicly after this a normal reader figures out who are the bad guys here.
4) Demanding a player to send credentials of his lawyer is fail again. He is seeking advice from someone he trusts, why would MoW need his credentials? Smells like timewasting or just preventing the contract from leaking out (as it clearly is that bad)
5) The relationships between Boss and Fuzer were bad. It's clear from both sides (the 4 am part, and throwing money part). Looks like only one of them was in position of power he decieded to use it to force the other one out.
6) Fuzer was right demanding legal counsel so forcing him out before he got it looks kind of cruel.
7) Refusing to pay the fair sum of money owned to Fuzer is another big fail. That is basicly robbing him of his money. Even after the things got rough and into the public MoW still owns those money.
8) Threatening with NDA when Fuzer mentions going public... that just stinks.

TL got outraged? Sure thing it did. This is bad, like super bad. No wonder Fuzer decided against "peaceful resolution" after all of that, I would have done no less if I were him. What I expect from MoW:
1) Fire Boss. He is clearly the villain here.
2) Appologise to Fuzer.
3) Give him his money back.
4) Fix those stupid contracts for the god's sake.
and maybe you can get out of it yet.


Agree.

This should add to opening post!
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 13 2012 14:46 GMT
#2125
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.


Ah, you are that kind of people who apply corruption? LOL

They offered his money back AFTER he said that he will make this public.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
CommanchyWattkins
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada117 Posts
September 13 2012 14:46 GMT
#2126
would any of you guys just pay 600$ to go to europe? It's like 1 month of rent and you can go sight seeing. :D Fuzzer will def win this. boss guy is a dbag
TheHansBecker
Profile Joined February 2011
United States117 Posts
September 13 2012 14:47 GMT
#2127
--- Nuked ---
Lallis
Profile Joined August 2012
Finland25 Posts
September 13 2012 14:48 GMT
#2128
On September 13 2012 23:46 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.


Ah, you are that kind of people who apply corruption? LOL

They offered his money back AFTER he said that he will make this public.


Well I guess one shouldn't contract Fuzer to a pro team if they wish to blackmail him since it obviously doesn't work.
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
September 13 2012 14:49 GMT
#2129
On September 13 2012 23:48 Lallis wrote:

Well I guess one shouldn't contract Fuzer to a pro team if they wish to blackmail him since it obviously doesn't work.


lmfao this
Terran it up.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
September 13 2012 14:50 GMT
#2130
I'm sorry I don't know if someone already posted it and I'm not going to search ~70 pages for it (went to sleep after page 30 or so last night) but darkforce made a videoon what he thinks about this particular situation and about similar situations in esports
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8307 Posts
September 13 2012 14:51 GMT
#2131
On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.


Has this guy been trolling for a full 18 hours now? Seriously...

I've got mixed feelings on this whole incident.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Saiton
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden467 Posts
September 13 2012 14:54 GMT
#2132
On September 13 2012 23:24 Lallis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:
Guess putting the word drama into your thread title attracts the queens like moths to a flame lol. There is nothing more to be said in this thread, it's just the queens beating a dead horse now. You have no new insight or argument to offer, so just let it rest. Do you not care if the community becomes more known for drama than anything else. Maybe give some thought to the possibility that that reputation is caused by threads like this carrying on for way too long.

And no I'm not hypocritical for posting here, because someone has to do it so that newcomers to the thread see that ARE reasonable voices out there.


How blind do you have to be to say something like that? It's not like we were discussing about Destiny's relationship problem or his dick. We are discussing about the legitimacy of a business in the community which is a serious matter and not just another pointless drama. Thanks to all the pointless drama before people like you can't distinguish pointless drama from serious issues within the community anymore.


Take posts with a grain of salt. Everyone commenting in this community is not mature enough to understand the difference between drama and contract agreements.
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NobledBlood
Profile Joined January 2011
United States125 Posts
September 13 2012 14:54 GMT
#2133
On September 13 2012 23:47 TheHansBecker wrote:
In Soviet Poland, Pro players pay to be on pro teams.


Rofl, this is actually great. Pretty much sums up what everyone has agreed on now xD
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 13 2012 14:59 GMT
#2134
I remember one of the first posts they made introducing MoW. And they were not focused on the business side of the house like this. Seems like Fuzer got tricked a bit by that.
I had a good night of sleep.
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
September 13 2012 15:01 GMT
#2135
Ok what will happen from now? I bet people already emailed sponsors etc which i think it's overreacting. But i think MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation imo. I knew something was fishy with this house i had this feeling all the time.
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
September 13 2012 15:08 GMT
#2136
is the ministry of WIN run by charlie sheen?
droken
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden126 Posts
September 13 2012 15:10 GMT
#2137
If you haven't contacted the sponsors when times are good to tell them that you approve and like what they're doing, you have absolutely no right contacting them when you have complaints.
People need to stop the witch-hunts that always emerge when something like this comes to light. If you simply wait around, passively observing you'll see if there actually is any truth to what Fuzer is claiming. Not that I think him a liar or anything, but I just think you need to hear both sides of the story before you can make yourself an assessment of what is really going on.

But as many of you have stated before, MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation from now on. I believe most people will keep an extra eye on them from now on.
Remember KT.Violet 23/08/12
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
September 13 2012 15:12 GMT
#2138
People need to learn about contracts. It really is that simple.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
September 13 2012 15:15 GMT
#2139
On September 14 2012 00:10 droken wrote:
If you haven't contacted the sponsors when times are good to tell them that you approve and like what they're doing, you have absolutely no right contacting them when you have complaints.
People need to stop the witch-hunts that always emerge when something like this comes to light. If you simply wait around, passively observing you'll see if there actually is any truth to what Fuzer is claiming. Not that I think him a liar or anything, but I just think you need to hear both sides of the story before you can make yourself an assessment of what is really going on.

But as many of you have stated before, MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation from now on. I believe most people will keep an extra eye on them from now on.


its not surprising because quite a few people will encounter an opportunity in their life where they get to play the "good" guy or the "bad" guy, and MoW chose to be the bad guy. that is, even if they're not legally in the wrong (which I believe they are).

600 euros wouldn't really make or break someone who can own a house and stay out late at nightclubs.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10141 Posts
September 13 2012 15:17 GMT
#2140
On September 14 2012 00:12 Sp00ly wrote:
People need to learn about contracts. It really is that simple.


Being naive or ignorant doesn't make it more legit.
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