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On September 14 2012 00:10 droken wrote:
If you haven't contacted the sponsors when times are good to tell them that you approve and like what they're doing, you have absolutely no right contacting them when you have complaints.
People need to stop the witch-hunts that always emerge when something like this comes to light. If you simply wait around, passively observing you'll see if there actually is any truth to what Fuzer is claiming. Not that I think him a liar or anything, but I just think you need to hear both sides of the story before you can make yourself an assessment of what is really going on.
But as many of you have stated before, MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation from now on. I believe most people will keep an extra eye on them from now on.
As previously stated in this thread, MoW doesn't really give us any other side to the story and the longer they wait before saying anything else, the more it looks like some well thought lies. Telling the truth shouldn't take too long huh? Basically the things Fuzer said have been confirmed from various sources so there might be no "other story".
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On September 13 2012 23:54 NobledBlood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 23:47 TheHansBecker wrote:
In Soviet Poland, Pro players pay to be on pro teams. Rofl, this is actually great. Pretty much sums up what everyone has agreed on now xD
MoW is not a team. Its a house. Players from teams all over have gone and played in the house.
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Gamers need unions, get organized! : )
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On September 14 2012 00:24 Zackeva wrote:
Gamers need unions, get organized! : )
Sure, one more thing to exploit them!
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On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer.
Seriously... I am losing so much respect for certain nationalists. This thread is showing quite a few eye opening things.
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On September 14 2012 00:27 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:24 Zackeva wrote:
Gamers need unions, get organized! : ) Sure, one more thing to exploit them!
You don't know what unions do, do you?
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On September 14 2012 00:31 Timerly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:27 Zorkmid wrote:On September 14 2012 00:24 Zackeva wrote:
Gamers need unions, get organized! : ) Sure, one more thing to exploit them! You don't know what unions do, do you?
you dont know that unions also exploit workers in tons of circumstances do you?
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Just read the reply.
Why the fuck would anyone deny getting their money, then publicly complain they didnt pay him back.
I call bullshit from someone, and likely from MoW, doesnt make sense.
Zzzz People always out to screw over esports, even if TL and reddit are a bunch of pitchfork wielding lunatics, there really is some shady shit going on too often.
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On September 14 2012 00:10 droken wrote:
If you haven't contacted the sponsors when times are good to tell them that you approve and like what they're doing, you have absolutely no right contacting them when you have complaints.
People need to stop the witch-hunts that always emerge when something like this comes to light. If you simply wait around, passively observing you'll see if there actually is any truth to what Fuzer is claiming. Not that I think him a liar or anything, but I just think you need to hear both sides of the story before you can make yourself an assessment of what is really going on.
But as many of you have stated before, MoW has pretty much tarnished their reputation from now on. I believe most people will keep an extra eye on them from now on.
we have already heard both sides, that is partially why this is such a huge deal. 1 side put accusations and facts plain and simple. The other one first responded with BS of how it is confidential and how they will "continue our pursuit of genuine innovation, fueled by our shared passion and dedication for helping our participants achieve greatness" + 2 totally unrelevant videos by pros praising MoW. This was clearly not enough and they inspired an article by ESFI which defends them with the following: Fuzer wanted the contract to be checked by the lawyer > MOW demanded the lawayer credentials > they didnt get those > they forced Fuzer out. Well since basicly everyone is pointing out they didnt have the right to demand credentials this is worth nothing. So again we are left with facts and accusatins against... one pathetic attempt to defend themselves which only proves how wrong they are.
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Unions would kill Gaming Teams. May be good in the short run that players get paid for what they are worth but once time goes on you will see a lot less teams
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On September 14 2012 00:27 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 00:24 Zackeva wrote:
Gamers need unions, get organized! : ) Sure, one more thing to exploit them!
Shitty unions do yeah, that's why you have people like Boxer or WhiteRa as at least a player rep.
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isnt Kespa basicly a union of pros?
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Bad blow for MoW. They deserve it.
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On September 14 2012 00:39 Cheerio wrote:
isnt Kespa basicly a union of pros?
No it's a bunch of sponsors and other officials like from OGN.
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On September 14 2012 00:34 LgNFosTA wrote:
Unions would kill Gaming Teams. May be good in the short run that players get paid for what they are worth but once time goes on you will see a lot less teams
Teams would have to get certified and we would have to bring back pro gamer licenses to tell who's unionized and who isn't. It would cause all sorts of problems for the minor league teams.
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Has Boss posted the supposed chatlog mentioned in the esfiworld article? If not, Fuzer is more credible by default.
EDIT: LOL so the log shows that they offered the money back after Fuzer threatened to go public? Oh man what a joke
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On September 14 2012 00:29 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer. Seriously... I am losing so much respect for certain nationalists. This thread is showing quite a few eye opening things.
same here ... i definately wont support anything from mow for sure (streams) ... and i also wont ever support esfi for such a horrbile biased article.
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On September 14 2012 00:29 BBMorti wrote:
Seriously... I am losing so much respect for certain nationalists. This thread is showing quite a few eye opening things.
Your cherrypicking responses from trolls who play along your stupid stereotypes? well played!
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On September 14 2012 00:29 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 23:32 pallad wrote:
Im so happy that Fuzer will not find any good pro team. None team will sign with player , that show private conversations , contracts etc.
You wanna drama ? you have drama , MoW will have maby some problems with it , but fuzer pro gamer carrer is over.
MoW is not perfect , but is not evil also . They offered him money back.. he dont take it..and he just killed his pro gamer carrer. Seriously... I am losing so much respect for certain nationalists. This thread is showing quite a few eye opening things.
Okay, so any Polish guy who thinks Fuzer is not right is a nationalist? Right. There is no chance he just has different point of view - if MoW was not in Poland, he would surely be the first to cast a stone at it.
In my opinion, the are two ways MoW can somewhat get away with it:
- apologize Fuzer, give him back the money, claim their policy was not fair, change their boss and start from scratch;
- reveal the contract, become as transparent as possible, to prove that it is Fuzer who was wrong.
If they don't, I believe they will slowly sink, and, to be honest, it would be absolutely deserved.
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