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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
"a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it." - So post the skype log because so much could have happened there. Maybe he said "No, I want some of the money for the first month also". But who knows and of course it's all pretty much speculation. Not surprised to see some controversy in a house but sad to see that it looks kind of serious. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:35 Sablar wrote: Sounds awful and I can't help but think of the whole ESFI-article as rigged because it's one-sided enough to be an ad for MoW. "a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it." - So post the skype log because so much could have happened there. Maybe he said "No, I want some of the money for the first month also". But who knows and of course it's all pretty much speculation. Not surprised to see some controversy in a house but sad to see that it looks kind of serious. Fuzer already wrote in his first unedited OP that they offered him the money, but they only offered it to him after he told them he would go public with the story. He chose to decline the money and inform the e-sports community, since he didn't like the way they work and wants to show that behind the scenes things aren't as they look on first sight. So I don't know why people act surprised that MoW offered him the money at the end to keep him quiet, Fuzer told us that to begin with. Edit: From the OP: "When I wrote to my facebook page that they stole my money, right away the boss asked about my bank account, but anyways I decided to tell the story. I know I may lose the money but atleast I can do something for esports and reveal some things aren't as nice as you may think." | ||
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Samba
Germany452 Posts
Clearly what the chatlog said....lol This MoW-boss is indeed full of shit. He was essentially blackmailing Fuzer! Shut up or you don´t get your money back. Now to work all you sponsor-caller. This time it would actually make sense it seems. | ||
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Jochan
Poland1730 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:43 Samba wrote: "Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it." Clearly what the chatlog said....lol This MoW-boss is indeed full of shit. He was essentially blackmailing Fuzer! Shut up or you don´t get your money back. Now to work all you sponsor-caller. This time it would actually make sense it seems. I don't think you should call/e-mail the sponsors, because there are still players who want to train and stay there and we should not take the chance to improve more rapidly from them. I just hope MoW releases an apology, gives Fuzer his money and make sure something like this never happens again. | ||
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Mazaire
Australia217 Posts
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Samba
Germany452 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:47 Musicus wrote: I don't think you should call the sponsor, because there are still players who want to train and stay there and we should not take the chance to improve more rapidly from them. I just hope MoW releases an apology, gives Fuzer his money and make sure something like this never happens again. That last statement was more a bit out of frustration, i never called any sponsors and don´t think that´s ever the way to go, because it hurts more than it helps. While i think you´re right, i really can´t stand such behavior like he showed here and think the boss especially should not get away with it and just continue on. But that´s just my 2 cent. | ||
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tenacity
1587 Posts
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Rimak
Denmark434 Posts
So that means that TITAN and other MoW house guests won't be able to train in any other team house, or coach for ten (10!!) years? This is just sooo absurd. Im really sceptical on the future of MoW. Oh and signing contract without lettint the lawyer see it is just bad attitude and either big stupidity, or big scam. | ||
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Windwaker
Germany1597 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:57 Rimak wrote: Wait, wait, wait. So that means that TITAN and other MoW house guests won't be able to train in any other team house, or coach for ten (10!!) years? This is just sooo absurd. Im really sceptical on the future of MoW. No they can train and join as player, just not coach or manage in a teamhouse, that's to protect their business ideas, training methods etc. | ||
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AzoriuS
Poland74 Posts
btw. I lost all respect to Fuzer. I thought hes cool guy but hes looking for drama only. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:57 Rimak wrote: Wait, wait, wait. So that means that TITAN and other MoW house guests won't be able to train in any other team house, or coach for ten (10!!) years? This is just sooo absurd. Im really sceptical on the future of MoW. Oh and signing contract without lettint the lawyer see it is just bad attitude and either big stupidity, or big scam. No ,they cant open own gaming house and take ideas that they see in MoW house . | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:26 Chexx wrote: Why do people hate on fries and meatball? Sure its the healthiest food but I dont think its bad. I would like it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atherosclerosis EDIT: Copypasted wrong search result. | ||
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
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NojAh
Lithuania191 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:54 Mazaire wrote: Wow, just read those responses from MoW. Pretty disgusting if you ask me, doesn't clear up any of the issues at hand. Feel the same. To write this they needed more than 2hours? As someone mentioned they need PR guy to make statements for them.. | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On September 13 2012 20:03 Musicus wrote: No they can train and join as player, just not coach or manage in a teamhouse, that's to protect their business ideas, training methods etc. And that's the utterly ridiculous part. It's like I'm going to start taking Karate lessons and the fine print says that I can't work in a dojo for 10 years. | ||
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LuckyGnomTV
Russian Federation367 Posts
On September 13 2012 20:04 AzoriuS wrote: I know I will get banned for this but after I read some comments... TL members are so young or so STUPID ? You even cant read the text and understand it. btw. I lost all respect to Fuzer. I thought hes cool guy but hes looking for drama only. So explain the dark sides of this text to us "stupid TLers", our messiah! Stop just coming and saying shit without any reasons or proofs. | ||
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
On September 13 2012 19:43 Samba wrote: "Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it." Clearly what the chatlog said....lol This MoW-boss is indeed full of shit. He was essentially blackmailing Fuzer! Shut up or you don´t get your money back. Now to work all you sponsor-caller. This time it would actually make sense it seems. Seriously what is wrong with you guys? Many of the players who come here sacrificed so much to come to this house and to finally have the opportunity to chase the eSports dream, some of them sacrificed even close to everything in their past life, leaving families and friends behind, not having a "normal" life anymore and even coming from a different continent without even being able to speak proper english. But they still did it because they are so passionate about Starcraft2 and eSports that they are willing to do this. The house is full and many players who wanted to come even had to be denied because there are simply no spots anymore. This house is the only of its kind in europe and it gives a lot of players the opportunities they waited for so long time. Do you really think it's that bad if there are so many players applying and every player having been or being in the house except Fuzer has stated a positive opinion about this house. I just can't understand why so many people just want to destroy all of this, this beautiful idea of people gathering together to chase their eSports dream. A gaming-house like this seems like a very risky investment at this moment in europe because noone has every done it before, so we waited a long time until finally someone had the balls to actually risk it. If this house will work out and be a success, there would be a lot more people thinking positive about this idea. I don't understand why so many people want to take this everything down and hurt so many up and coming pro players, who sacrificed everything to chase their dream and to make eSports happen. And i'm not only talking about all the players who are in MoW right now, but about all the potential other houses and ideas that could come up, if this house will be a success. Things got handeled poorly and there has to be something done, but please don't get obsessed with your hatred and destroy everything that people have worked so hard for in eSports P.S.: There are a lot of incomplete facts in this thread and people jump to conclusion too fast For example: Yes, there are revenue-cuts from the house of the stream. But first, everything is invested into the house, upcoming events and plans to improve this house even more in the future. Second, some people don't have a partnership with twitch yet, which wouldn't make them able to get revenues and third due to the direct partnership with MoW-Twitch partnership the players still make more money including the cuts than with a regular twitch partnership. Also the facts about streaming-amount is incomplete. If people have important tournaments come up, they of course don't have to stream the regular amount of hours (it's all stated in the contract, but i'm not allowed to go into further details). When the first players like Snute and Cytoplasm came to this house, we all talked about this kind of stuff and we worked hand in hand to make this contract player-friendly but at the same time benefical for this house. | ||
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