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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
ReaperCo
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 10:13:34
September 13 2012 10:10 GMT
#1981
So he got alot of money from the sponsors and didnt use them hm what joke man. Destiny didnt go did he have inside information?
andrewnsi
Profile Joined August 2012
Poland4 Posts
September 13 2012 10:12 GMT
#1982
--- Nuked ---
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
September 13 2012 10:13 GMT
#1983
Meanwhile... Flash in code A
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
MapleFractal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada307 Posts
September 13 2012 10:13 GMT
#1984
Loving all these >20 posters coming out of the woodwork to make their TL debut. Finally the lurkers are heard... Or smurf accounts to make it seem less scumbag. This whole thing is suspect... But the damage is clearly done.
its called a Tuque damnit!
TheMenace
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany244 Posts
September 13 2012 10:14 GMT
#1985
about the 10 year thing: if the contract had been set up under german law, the 10-year-clause probably would be considered ineffective EVEN if someone signs the contract.

I can imagine the same applies to polish law.
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
September 13 2012 10:14 GMT
#1986
On September 13 2012 19:06 Nyarly wrote:
Let say fuzer signed the contract and two years from now decided to be a coach, would MoW really care ? What would they do ?

mow wont even be around in a month much less two years
connoisseur
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
September 13 2012 10:15 GMT
#1987
On September 13 2012 17:37 Lumi wrote:
That MoW statement was about as useless as a quadrapalegic in a game of twister

I lol'd so hard, I am going to use this phrase from now on
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
starojda
Profile Joined May 2011
Czech Republic246 Posts
September 13 2012 10:16 GMT
#1988
Where is the truth is not a relevant question anymore - drama is raised and everybody has its own view. MoW should now realize, that they are so on defense, that they cannot afford any fog or stalling - they need to manly step up and clear everything with one serious actions Otherwise the shadow will remain on them forever. And if we look on their responses, we can say that they are pretty f*cked - they did not step up soon enough and now it is late...

If Fuzer acted childish, then MoW acted like retards.. Both are mistaken, but it is clear who will suffer more from this.
ʘ
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
September 13 2012 10:17 GMT
#1989
On September 13 2012 18:24 Hyouma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 18:21 obsu51 wrote:
On September 13 2012 17:35 Agathon wrote:


- Joining a house with a rent and strict rules and paying blindly without reading/signing any contract......Stephano said it the best...

When i rent a new appartment, i read the lease...and I don't pay anything until the owner and I signed it. Like...everybody !


oral contracts are just as valid as written ones


I can sing up under this statement as well.

Someone who actually knows what he's talking about, unlike these online lawyers.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
September 13 2012 10:19 GMT
#1990
On September 13 2012 18:40 marmuc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 18:35 shell wrote:
This is sad, MoW was demanding and acted like a child and Fuzer behave like a spoiled brat!

MoW faults:
- 5 hour streaming obligation where they get a % is a bit too much, what if they want to play a tournament? What if they want to play qualification? What if they are preparing for a particular offline tournament?
- Lack of food and bad "quality" of food - this is the worst for me, for 600€ in Poland you expect a "hotel" like situation where food doesn't lack and you have variety of meat, fish and veggies... It's the least you can has a host!
- partys in the house without the players

Fuzer's faults:
- Behave like a bully when he aparently misread the contract
- Creating a shit storm that won't bode well for him and for people that invested money in eSports, even if they lack experience and made mistakes
- Pitchforking it up!

Very sad situation.. I wish Fuzer talk it over instead of going so fast to conflict.. It doesn't benefit no one imo!


maybe in Poortugal you can expect a (rofl) "hotel" like situation for 600 euro, but not in Poland, especially not in Warsaw.


you are rolling on the floor while loling because the players expected a better food situation for 600€/month? why not?

There are 9 paying players there, that means 5400€ per month, plus stream revenue and sponsors support!

Isn't that enought to have them eat properly ? I don't think Poland is more expensive then Portugal, so i bet you can have them eat decent every month. If it's not enought they have to ask for more money... duh?

BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
September 13 2012 10:24 GMT
#1991
On September 13 2012 18:44 obsu51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 18:35 shell wrote:
This is sad, MoW was demanding and acted like a child and Fuzer behave like a spoiled brat!

MoW faults:
- 5 hour streaming obligation where they get a % is a bit too much, what if they want to play a tournament? What if they want to play qualification? What if they are preparing for a particular offline tournament?
- Lack of food and bad "quality" of food - this is the worst for me, for 600€ in Poland you expect a "hotel" like situation where food doesn't lack and you have variety of meat, fish and veggies... It's the least you can has a host!
- partys in the house without the players

Fuzer's faults:
- Behave like a bully when he aparently misread the contract
- Creating a shit storm that won't bode well for him and for people that invested money in eSports, even if they lack experience and made mistakes
- Pitchforking it up!

Very sad situation.. I wish Fuzer talk it over instead of going so fast to conflict.. It doesn't benefit no one imo!


"We agreed on skype that I stay there for 3 months and I pay 2500zlt monthly (around 600euros)."

They agreed about the rent beforehand, but the written contract is about making sure that the inhabitant understands and agrees all the terms, which he didn't. two separate agreements. right?

"When we talked about my coming I was only interested about my practicing over there and that's what we agreed."

Actually this guy has a point, they had an oral contract for that.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
September 13 2012 10:25 GMT
#1992
I don't really see Fuzers mistakes.
Maybe he was hard to deal with during his stay in the house, but from reading this thread, it seems his demands (let someone check the contract for dubious parts he discovered himself) weren't over the top.

I don't quite understand however, how the MoW-Team could let him come to the house without signing the contract. That MUST mean, that Fuzer didn't get to see the contract before departing for poland. In that case, ALL fault is on MoWs end.
That means Fuzer trusted enough to PAY-UP before getting all the info, so he basically allready fullfilled most of his side of the contract. To refuse cooperation after already being payed seems like a 100% dick-move.

On a personal note: If i go to a gaming house, where i am promised to have all the time to practice in the world (apparently from what i read about the house you where supposed to have motivators, coaches and so on), i'd expect someone to clean up the gaming room for me, not to be pestered to clean up the gaming room and my own room.
If i am left alone, have to clean up my room, my gaming set, do my washing and everything, what would i spent loads of money for then? being isolated from home?
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 13 2012 10:26 GMT
#1993
Why do people hate on fries and meatball? Sure its the healthiest food but I dont think its bad.
I would like it.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
September 13 2012 10:27 GMT
#1994
Generally, isn't the case that you pay your the whole rent even if you have stayed only a couple of days in the beginning a month? So that means that MoW didn't steal the money from fuzer and so the claim is false.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
HarryKlein
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany220 Posts
September 13 2012 10:28 GMT
#1995
On September 13 2012 19:26 Chexx wrote:
Why do people hate on fries and meatball? Sure its the healthiest food but I dont think its bad.
I would like it.


desrow wants to lose weight... :D
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
September 13 2012 10:29 GMT
#1996
On September 13 2012 19:26 Chexx wrote:
Why do people hate on fries and meatball? Sure its the healthiest food but I dont think its bad.
I would like it.


Germans and food. Almost as bad as Brits and their food xD
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
TheMenace
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 10:33:58
September 13 2012 10:31 GMT
#1997
On September 13 2012 19:27 archonOOid wrote:
Generally, isn't the case that you pay your the whole rent even if you have stayed only a couple of days in the beginning a month? So that means that MoW didn't steal the money from fuzer and so the claim is false.


The whole contract could be inefffective in his case though making his claim for the rent (minus the days he stayed) viable.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
September 13 2012 10:31 GMT
#1998
On September 13 2012 19:29 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 19:26 Chexx wrote:
Why do people hate on fries and meatball? Sure its the healthiest food but I dont think its bad.
I would like it.


Germans and food. Almost as bad as Brits and their food xD

Don'T worry. I prefer a cordon-bleu over meatballs with fries cO.
But yea. If i wanted to be an "atheletic" gamer I would not be too happy with that food.
A lot of fat -> bad for gaming/concentration.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 10:34:34
September 13 2012 10:33 GMT
#1999
On September 13 2012 19:29 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 19:26 Chexx wrote:
Why do people hate on fries and meatball? Sure its the healthiest food but I dont think its bad.
I would like it.


Germans and food. Almost as bad as Brits and their food xD


I would prefer cordon bleu too ^^

yea not everybody can eat cheese, frog legs and drink wine for dinner
Bad food for me is more like cup noodle, fast food, the whole week only rice, or food like in prison only bread and water.
For staying in shape if you dont look like a calvin klein underwear model you still can stay in shape if you work out with this food.




WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 10:37:20
September 13 2012 10:35 GMT
#2000
On September 13 2012 19:29 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 19:26 Chexx wrote:
Why do people hate on fries and meatball? Sure its the healthiest food but I dont think its bad.
I would like it.


Germans and food. Almost as bad as Brits and their food xD


I'm german and i love british food.
I don't like most French food however :D

I'm really sad this house didn't fulfill what it promised. When i read the first articles about it, it seemed like it would be kind of a spa+gaming house, but seeing fuzer comments and MoWs responses, it appears to be a nice house in poland where gamers get dumped to have self-time and play. Would've loved for it to be a real training facility.

does anyone think we'll actually see an end to this story, or will it just fade away like basically every drama on TL/SC2?

edit: about rent-payback: MoW-Boss stated they kicked him out (apparently because he wasn't cleaning up after him self and had too many complaints... lol), so shouldn't he be obligated to pay back any payments?
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