good thing its only up and down, and i thought there was a mutual agreement with players being seeded, its honostly just a free win for koreans vs foreigners.
All the groups look very stacked and incredibly difficult. Most of the players need to practice all 3 MUs if they want a chance to advance.
Hell its even hard to call a particular group as being a group of death because all of them are very hard, containing both great new rising talents as well as seasoned veterans.
Wow, that's a tough group. Lucky for MaNa his PvT is his best matchup (from my observations anyway). If he plays well on the day I think his chances are decent. Go MaNa!~
Groups fairly balanced out. MaNa's group isn't as bad as it could have been, considering all the players "were almost the best at one point, but have had a falling out" Code S Koreans, and the fact that he's the only Protoss gives him a leg up over his opponent's preparations.
Still gonna get rolled though.
ThorZain has an arguably stronger group. Even though Sniper and the ST pair aren't the most well known players, Gumiho and Puzzle is going to give him a run for his money.
On August 22 2012 17:43 pdd wrote: Who's gonna get the Code S seeds I wonder.
I'm thinking at least one KESPA player.
If I had to take a very wild stab in the dark for the other seed possibly alicia, could be nerchio but I don't know if he'd be interested in going to Korea. I think that GOM will wait until Summer championship before picking seeds.
On August 22 2012 17:44 Roachu wrote: Granted I haven't payed much attention but how come MaNa got into this? I know he won something major a while back but yeah, why?
GOM will always give foreign players with good results a chance to participate in the GSL, its also good for theier viewer numbers, nothing strange about that. MaNa won Dreamhack tho, just under 2 months ago, he is most likely top5 foreign player in the world also.
On August 22 2012 17:36 Marou wrote: Code S is so stacked as per usual T.T ... where is naniwa ??
Hmm I don't know this, but being in Ro8 the previous season surely means you've got automatic seed ... ?
Yep, he's already code S since he was in RO8 last season.
Also Thorzain's group looks way more brutal to me than Mana's.
Mana has a 5 people group, with 3 Terrans and one Zerg. He only has 2 matchups to play (and only one Zerg, so he might as well go all-in on PvT practice), while the 3 terrans in his group have all 3 matchups to play. Mana on a good day can definitely beat Keen and Hyun, and Bomber has proven to be very random when it comes to performance. I don't really remember Jjakji doing much since he won his GSL also.
Compare this to Thorzain's group: Thorzain has a 6 people group, has all 3 matchups to play, and his opponent are just as good as Mana's group, if not better (Gumiho especially).
In comparison Mana's group looks fairly doable. Also keep in mind that it's Bo1 so everything is possible.
On August 22 2012 17:43 pdd wrote: Who's gonna get the Code S seeds I wonder.
I'm thinking at least one KESPA player.
If I had to take a very wild stab in the dark for the other seed possibly alicia, could be nerchio but I don't know if he'd be interested in going to Korea. I think that GOM will wait until Summer championship before picking seeds.
I think it could also be HerO if he place good (1st or 2nd) at MLG and then proceed to fail his U/D group.
On August 22 2012 17:44 Roachu wrote: Granted I haven't payed much attention but how come MaNa got into this? I know he won something major a while back but yeah, why?
GOM will always give foreign players with good results a chance to participate in the GSL, its also good for theier viewer numbers, nothing strange about that. MaNa won Dreamhack tho, just under 2 months ago, he is most likely top5 foreign player in the world also.
Ok so it was his recent win (I know about that system). MaNa is a beast among foreigners no doubt, I just didn't expect him, if anyone besides Stephano (who's already said he won't be participating in the GSL anytime soon) I'd expect Nerchio. I'll still be rooting for MaNa, he's a cool dude and hopefully he can smash some faces
On August 22 2012 17:43 pdd wrote: Who's gonna get the Code S seeds I wonder.
I'm thinking at least one KESPA player.
If I had to take a very wild stab in the dark for the other seed possibly alicia, could be nerchio but I don't know if he'd be interested in going to Korea. I think that GOM will wait until Summer championship before picking seeds.
I think it could also be HerO if he place good (1st or 2nd) at MLG and then proceed to fail his U/D group.
GOM has never given a seed to a player that's already had a chance at Code S through up and downs. They usually decide their seeds long before up and down groups are finished.
For those who don't know, Seed, symbol, byun, nestea, Mc, Taeja, DRG and naniwa have already secured their spots in code S due to making the RO8 or higher last season.
On August 22 2012 17:43 pdd wrote: Who's gonna get the Code S seeds I wonder.
I'm thinking at least one KESPA player.
I think it would be sensible to offer up a spot (or two) to someone who did well in WCS but didn't qualify for OSL. Avoid schedule overlap and continue to keep things interesting in the transition stage.
Otherwise I could see maybe Nerchio and Alicia being offered spots, but I don't see Nerchio taking one and I don't know if serial runner up quite cuts it.
On August 22 2012 17:57 Incomplet wrote: For those who don't know, Seed, symbol, byun, nestea, Mc, Taeja, DRG and naniwa have already secured their spots in code S due to making the RO8 or higher last season.
Plus the 12 who qualifed straight from Code A - MMA, Mvp, Curious, Squirtle, MKP, JYP, Genius, Heart, Parting, Yoda, Leenock and Polt.
The current Code S racial makeup is 8T/5Z/7P, with 12 spots to be decided.
No crushing groups of death or anything for the foreigners. If they can't make it out of those groups frankly they don't belong in code S and I would not want to see them there.
On August 22 2012 18:05 YoucriedWolf wrote: No crushing groups of death or anything for the foreigners. If they can't make it out of those groups frankly they don't belong in code S and I would not want to see them there.
jjakji, Bomber and Hyun's best match-up, by far, is vP.
On August 22 2012 17:52 Pwnzer wrote: Well at least Mana can focus the majority of his practice on one MU. I don't know much about his PvT so if any Mana fans want to enlighten me.
Used to be "good". I remember him beating a string of Korean Terrans in a row. I Don't think he's had that kind of success for a while, but it's never been a weak point of his play, like his PVZ often is. He's up against some pretty damn good Terrans, although all of them are prone to ordinary play at times, apart from maybe jjakji, so wo knows.
Predictions: group A: mana and bomber (with all my foreigner bias) group B: gumiho, puzzle group C: maru will cheese his way out of it , hero group D: creator supernova group E: violet, ryung; hoping he will show another godlike series (like against drg, last season)
If i am correct, it will be another sad zerg gsl ):
How long has MaNa stayed in Korea? I'm thinking about practice opportunities before the matches, since Korean players have a tendency to roffelstomp foreigners when it comes to preparation.
On August 22 2012 18:05 YoucriedWolf wrote: No crushing groups of death or anything for the foreigners. If they can't make it out of those groups frankly they don't belong in code S and I would not want to see them there.
jjakji, Bomber and Hyun's best match-up, by far, is vP.
Mana got screwed.
PvT is also MaNa's best match-up (by a significant margin) so he has a chance here. He's playing his best match-up, and if he can't succeed there he's not gonna succeed in the incredible competition of Code S.
On August 22 2012 18:05 YoucriedWolf wrote: No crushing groups of death or anything for the foreigners. If they can't make it out of those groups frankly they don't belong in code S and I would not want to see them there.
jjakji, Bomber and Hyun's best match-up, by far, is vP.
Mana got screwed.
Creator got a cake walk besides Supernova.
SuNo is a behemoth in 1v1 situations. Also, if he gets back in, then he gets the Nestea award. SUNOOOOOO
omg dear teamliquid users, Mana PvT is best matchup so its very good group for him no matter how good Terrans are. Last time he only lost 3-2 against Taeja and I think its good result.
On August 22 2012 18:41 BronzeHero wrote: Looks like 3 of the groups are incomplete with only 5 players, will there be 3 more players qualifying for a spot in the U&D?
5 player groups aren't incomplete. It's random whether or not you draw a smaller group. There's 16 + 12 = 28 players from Code A ro32 and 24 losers respectively, plus MaNa was seeded for 29 total. However, fOrGG and GanZi forfeited their ro32 games so they don't get a chance here. That's two groups of 6 and three of 5 for a total of 27.
On August 22 2012 17:50 FreudianTrip wrote: Code A is the new Code S. I know it's been said for a while now but just look at those groups.
Hmm when you actually look at the players confirmed for code S, they overshadow these groups, though I do agree that code A will have really tough players nonetheless.
Also, really like HerO's odds of advancing with no Protoss's in his group .
On August 22 2012 18:31 opterown wrote: Oz got lucky, no protoss in group E
there is no luck involved in group selections only skill.
Oz will prove it.
Oh I get it now! Bomber should have group A... I've said that before though... probably a dumb loss to hyun incoming. Why can't they feed him more protosses!!!
On August 22 2012 18:41 BronzeHero wrote: Looks like 3 of the groups are incomplete with only 5 players, will there be 3 more players qualifying for a spot in the U&D?
5 player groups aren't incomplete. It's random whether or not you draw a smaller group. There's 16 + 12 = 28 players from Code A ro32 and 24 losers respectively, plus MaNa was seeded for 29 total. However, fOrGG and GanZi forfeited their ro32 games so they don't get a chance here. That's two groups of 6 and three of 5 for a total of 27.
OK, thank you! bottom 2 players from each group goes down to code A? top 2 advance?
On August 22 2012 18:41 BronzeHero wrote: Looks like 3 of the groups are incomplete with only 5 players, will there be 3 more players qualifying for a spot in the U&D?
5 player groups aren't incomplete. It's random whether or not you draw a smaller group. There's 16 + 12 = 28 players from Code A ro32 and 24 losers respectively, plus MaNa was seeded for 29 total. However, fOrGG and GanZi forfeited their ro32 games so they don't get a chance here. That's two groups of 6 and three of 5 for a total of 27.
OK, thank you! bottom 2 players from each group goes down to code A? top 2 advance?
Group A: Keen, Jjakji (I believe, even though Hyun is more realistic) Group B: Sniper, Hack Group C: HerO, Maru Group D: Creator, Happy Group E: Ryung, Life
wow. I think those polls are showing a bit of a foreigner bias. I think it's cool seeing foreigners play in korea and attempt to take on the GSL. I almost always root for them like I do most times I don't care about either team particularly, I like the underdog, but him being most likely to get out of the group? I'm not so sure on that. Either way, good luck to all of the players, i hope there are some great games!
On August 22 2012 18:05 YoucriedWolf wrote: No crushing groups of death or anything for the foreigners. If they can't make it out of those groups frankly they don't belong in code S and I would not want to see them there.
jjakji, Bomber and Hyun's best match-up, by far, is vP.
Mana got screwed.
Creator got a cake walk besides Supernova.
You know vsX statistics a thousand times better than I do so I trust you are right in that regard. But it can also be said that there are advantages in drawing three terrans and playing protoss in a time where they are generally dominant. When all is said I just can't help but feel there is nothing to 'complain' about because these aren't any heavy-hitters and it is freaking hard to get in to code S. Bomber is iffy to score though because there is no way of knowing what quality he will bring to his play on any given day.
On August 22 2012 18:41 BronzeHero wrote: Looks like 3 of the groups are incomplete with only 5 players, will there be 3 more players qualifying for a spot in the U&D?
5 player groups aren't incomplete. It's random whether or not you draw a smaller group. There's 16 + 12 = 28 players from Code A ro32 and 24 losers respectively, plus MaNa was seeded for 29 total. However, fOrGG and GanZi forfeited their ro32 games so they don't get a chance here. That's two groups of 6 and three of 5 for a total of 27.
OK, thank you! bottom 2 players from each group goes down to code A? top 2 advance?
top 2 advance, rest are in code A
OK, pretty unlycky getting in a 6 player group then.
On August 22 2012 18:41 BronzeHero wrote: Looks like 3 of the groups are incomplete with only 5 players, will there be 3 more players qualifying for a spot in the U&D?
5 player groups aren't incomplete. It's random whether or not you draw a smaller group. There's 16 + 12 = 28 players from Code A ro32 and 24 losers respectively, plus MaNa was seeded for 29 total. However, fOrGG and GanZi forfeited their ro32 games so they don't get a chance here. That's two groups of 6 and three of 5 for a total of 27.
OK, thank you! bottom 2 players from each group goes down to code A? top 2 advance?
top 2 advance, rest are in code A
OK, pretty unlycky getting in a 6 player group then.
Let us all remember TeriusPrime, the zerg who was forced against his will to go 0-5 in his UD group to determine the necessity of tiebreakers. *bows head*
lol people voting Mana for group A? Good joke I guess, but he will get completely destroyed in that group. I don't think he can take a game off anyone there except maybe Keen assuming Keen does some whacky strategy.
On August 22 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote: lol people voting Mana for group A? Good joke I guess, but he will get completely destroyed in that group. I don't think he can take a game off anyone there except maybe Keen assuming Keen does some whacky strategy.
well mana only lost 2-3 to taeja, if he has a great day and the terrans are a bit meh, and mana does a funky immortal allin, he can advance i think. but definitely not #1 choice haha
On August 22 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote: lol people voting Mana for group A? Good joke I guess, but he will get completely destroyed in that group. I don't think he can take a game off anyone there except maybe Keen assuming Keen does some whacky strategy.
well mana only lost 2-3 to taeja, if he has a great day and the terrans are a bit meh, and mana does a funky immortal allin, he can advance i think. but definitely not #1 choice haha
Teaja was jetlagged, this will not be the case in the up and downs so Mana has zero chance to advance.
I don't get it, why do some groups only have 5 people while other have 6? Isn't that awfully unfair towards the people in the 6 player groups? If there are unused seeded spots, why not make a tournament amongst the ro48 players who did not advance and give them another chance to earn a spot in the up-and-downs?
On August 22 2012 19:40 ratata wrote: I hate those GSL seeds soo much.. I think it's time for me stop watching gom content, and embrace our kespa overlords..
this is ridiculous. how entitled do you need to be to boycott content that is streamed live for FREE because you don't agree with seeding? Maybe you should boycott your school because they gave out scholarships to some people but not to others. Ridiculous, right?
On August 22 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote: lol people voting Mana for group A? Good joke I guess, but he will get completely destroyed in that group. I don't think he can take a game off anyone there except maybe Keen assuming Keen does some whacky strategy.
well mana only lost 2-3 to taeja, if he has a great day and the terrans are a bit meh, and mana does a funky immortal allin, he can advance i think. but definitely not #1 choice haha
I don't really remember that series too well but I think that was more due to weird play by both more than anything. And Taeja also only beat Bischu 3-2, should people be voting Bischu to get through as the #1 in a freaking GSL Up and Down group?
Foreign fans be crazy (or just not watch enough starcraft).
On August 22 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote: lol people voting Mana for group A? Good joke I guess, but he will get completely destroyed in that group. I don't think he can take a game off anyone there except maybe Keen assuming Keen does some whacky strategy.
well mana only lost 2-3 to taeja, if he has a great day and the terrans are a bit meh, and mana does a funky immortal allin, he can advance i think. but definitely not #1 choice haha
I don't really remember that series too well but I think that was more due to weird play by both more than anything. And Taeja also only beat Bischu 3-2, should people be voting Bischu to get through as the #1 in a freaking GSL Up and Down group?
Foreign fans be crazy (or just not watch enough starcraft).
nah iirc it was fairly straight up, not too weird a series hrm
On August 22 2012 19:32 Hall0wed wrote: lol people voting Mana for group A? Good joke I guess, but he will get completely destroyed in that group. I don't think he can take a game off anyone there except maybe Keen assuming Keen does some whacky strategy.
well mana only lost 2-3 to taeja, if he has a great day and the terrans are a bit meh, and mana does a funky immortal allin, he can advance i think. but definitely not #1 choice haha
I don't really remember that series too well but I think that was more due to weird play by both more than anything. And Taeja also only beat Bischu 3-2, should people be voting Bischu to get through as the #1 in a freaking GSL Up and Down group?
Foreign fans be crazy (or just not watch enough starcraft).
nah iirc it was fairly straight up, not too weird a series hrm
Well if I cared more about it then I would skim over the vods but my point on Bischu still stands. =P
Oh man, this is gonna be tough for both Mana and Thorzain, Predictions: Group A: Bomber, Jjakji. Group B: Gumiho, Puzzle. Group C: Maru, HerO. Group D: Creator, Supernova. Group E: Oz, Violet.
Last group is tough to predict, might just as well be Ryung or Life who advances. Also it's only BO1 so all my prediction might be wrong :D
On August 22 2012 19:40 ratata wrote: I hate those GSL seeds soo much.. I think it's time for me stop watching gom content, and embrace our kespa overlords..
this is ridiculous. how entitled do you need to be to boycott content that is streamed live for FREE because you don't agree with seeding? Maybe you should boycott your school because they gave out scholarships to some people but not to others. Ridiculous, right?
This is the stupidest thing I read today, and I had a long day.
On August 22 2012 20:50 Darkhoarse wrote: Group A: Keen, Bomber Group B: Sniper, Puzzle Group C: HerO, aLive Group D: Creator, Supernova Group E: Violet, Ryung
This. Would be awesome too, these players all have Code S potential.
On August 22 2012 19:40 ratata wrote: I hate those GSL seeds soo much.. I think it's time for me stop watching gom content, and embrace our kespa overlords..
this is ridiculous. how entitled do you need to be to boycott content that is streamed live for FREE because you don't agree with seeding? Maybe you should boycott your school because they gave out scholarships to some people but not to others. Ridiculous, right?
This is the stupidest thing I read today, and I had a long day.
you are the stupidest person to come to TL, we dont need ppl like you tbh, unless you are willing to change
A: hardest for me, I say HyuN/Bomber B: GuMiho/Puzzle C: Maru/Shine (this is so even but I don't know when HerO gets back from MLG) D: Creator/SuperNoVa E: Life/Ryung
On August 22 2012 21:32 ratata wrote: And didn't thorzain get seeded like a month ago, just to lose everything?
Seriously, drop the hate !
He arrived in Korea only 1 day prior to his matches in GSL Code S. CODE S !
While other players are more used to the Gom booths, and had the week to prepare, he still beat GuMiHo while NOT PREPARED....
The least you could do is showing a bit of respect and say (that's also my opinion, though I support ThorZaIN), that he has everything to prove, and that it starts by the Up & Down.
On August 22 2012 22:06 Coal wrote: Lol @ the foreigner bias.. Thorzain over Gumiho/Ace/Sniper/Hack......................
He already beat GuMiHo, though it won't be easy to do it again. AcE is definitely someone he can beat. I agree the other two are quite super hard and I'd definitely call that an upset if he wins against them.
Wow welcome to GSL again MaNa, placed in possibly the hardest group of all time.
A: HyuN, jjakji/Bomber B: Puzzle, Sniper/Hack C: HerO, aLive (depends on how well we see Shine play, he isn't that bad) D: Creator, SuperNova E: viOLet, Oz/Life
On August 22 2012 22:38 Elem wrote: MaNa gets the chance of his life, 3 PvT and the weakest zerg in his group. Wow. Hope he can make it!
Hyun is most certainly not the weakest Zerg in these groups. TSL are known for having a very strong Zerg line up, with the big 3 being Symbol, Revival and Hyun. The weakest Zerg would be Suhosin or Yugioh.
Mana looks screwed. I doubt he improved massively just playing ladder and all his opponents are easily code-S level. Maybe he could count on some of them slumping but I doubt it would be enough. On the other hand Thorzain has a half-decent chance. Not only dose he have real practice partners in Korea but also he already defeated Gumiho in code-S. And the level of players in his group is not as high - only Puzzle looks to be a serious obstacle.
Even the up and down matches are brutally stacked now. Hopefully maru and creator can make it through to get some more prime players in code s again. Would like to see bomber and jjakji get back in as well.
Well on the upside for Mana, he gets three PvTs. On the down side, jjakji and Bomber are really good at TvP, and KeeN has this habit of having either really good days or really bad days, and Hyun showed good games vs Squirtle, so it's also gonna go rough for Mana there. Thorzain could take out AcE, but im not sure. He won 2-1 vs Gumiho in some close games before. Ehhh I don't like either foreigners chances of making it.
On August 22 2012 22:38 michielbrands wrote: Stephano got a direct code S seed I guess?
Seems like it. Does anyone know if Nerchio said anything about going to Korea? :p He's got the results for a seed I guess, the only question would be if he would take it and go to Korea.
On August 22 2012 22:38 Elem wrote: MaNa gets the chance of his life, 3 PvT and the weakest zerg in his group. Wow. Hope he can make it!
Hyun is most certainly not the weakest Zerg in these groups. TSL are known for having a very strong Zerg line up, with the big 3 being Symbol, Revival and Hyun. The weakest Zerg would be Suhosin or Yugioh.
revival aint that good anymore, big 3 is probably symbol hyun and shine.... also yugioh is always the strongest zerg in code A. and suhosin somehow find ways to win, no matter what
On August 22 2012 22:52 Larkin wrote: How come there are 5 players in some groups and 6 in the others? Or are there more players to be seeded?
Theoretically, there would be 12 Code A Ro24 losers + 16 Code A Ro32 losers + 2 seeds = 30 players.
However, the seeds are not mandatory for GOM to give, and there have been cases of players dropping out of the GSL entirely prior to the Up/Down matches. The matches go on with fewer than 30 total players; the number of qualifiers for Code S is still 10, and any extra Code A vacancies from forfeits or unused Up/Down seeds are filled up by adding more bracket groups to the Code A preliminaries (or alternatively, direct Code A seeds).
Post 99 explains this season's situation well. Two forfeits and one unused seed brought the total to 27 players.
On August 22 2012 22:38 Elem wrote: MaNa gets the chance of his life, 3 PvT and the weakest zerg in his group. Wow. Hope he can make it!
Hyun is most certainly not the weakest Zerg in these groups. TSL are known for having a very strong Zerg line up, with the big 3 being Symbol, Revival and Hyun. The weakest Zerg would be Suhosin or Yugioh.
revival aint that good anymore, big 3 is probably symbol hyun and shine.... also yugioh is always the strongest zerg in code A. and suhosin somehow find ways to win, no matter what
yugi has been derping lately under pressure, and suho is still the worst out of all the zergs here I think.
On August 22 2012 22:52 Larkin wrote: How come there are 5 players in some groups and 6 in the others? Or are there more players to be seeded?
Theoretically, there would be 12 Code A Ro24 losers + 16 Code A Ro32 losers + 2 seeds = 30 players.
However, the seeds are not mandatory for GOM to give, and there have been cases of players dropping out of the GSL entirely prior to the Up/Down matches. The matches go on with fewer than 30 total players; the number of qualifiers for Code S is still 10, and any extra Code A vacancies from forfeits or unused Up/Down seeds are filled up by adding more bracket groups to the Code A preliminaries.
I don't think MaNa can pass this group. HyuN's looking really good right now and Come on' Jjakji/Bomber/KeeN ? Those 3 are still very good ! May be Mana can beat Jjakji if he is not playin' really good, but TvP is the strongest match up of Bomber (he said it), and KeeN ... mmm ... that's KeeN ...
I hope i'm wrong, but I don't give him a lot of chances in this group.
On August 22 2012 22:38 Elem wrote: MaNa gets the chance of his life, 3 PvT and the weakest zerg in his group. Wow. Hope he can make it!
Hyun is most certainly not the weakest Zerg in these groups. TSL are known for having a very strong Zerg line up, with the big 3 being Symbol, Revival and Hyun. The weakest Zerg would be Suhosin or Yugioh.
revival aint that good anymore, big 3 is probably symbol hyun and shine.... also yugioh is always the strongest zerg in code A. and suhosin somehow find ways to win, no matter what
yugi has been derping lately under pressure, and suho is still the worst out of all the zergs here I think.
QFT. A week or two ago I remember watching Slayers in GSTL and they brought out Yugioh. I cant remember his opponent but I certainly remember switching the game off out of pure embarrassment from watching Yugioh's terrible performance and constant errors. Sure he is labelled by many as the "King of Code A" but if he plays anything like he did in that GSTL match, we will see nothing short of complete and utter failure.
On August 22 2012 22:38 Elem wrote: MaNa gets the chance of his life, 3 PvT and the weakest zerg in his group. Wow. Hope he can make it!
Have you ever seen HyuN play recently.... He dominates Protosses and Terrans, and he is probably the best Zerg in TSL. MaNa is facing against players who like PvT, so he is not having an easy ride to Code S.
Hope Maru can make it back in code S, haven't seen him play for a little while. Hopefully he pulls off some sick cheese or something :D Creator should stomp. gogo Jjakji.
On August 22 2012 20:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I don't get it, why do some groups only have 5 people while other have 6? Isn't that awfully unfair towards the people in the 6 player groups? If there are unused seeded spots, why not make a tournament amongst the ro48 players who did not advance and give them another chance to earn a spot in the up-and-downs?
I agree. I was confused by that too. 2/5 chance vs 1/3 chance to advance...
On August 22 2012 20:01 JustPassingBy wrote: I don't get it, why do some groups only have 5 people while other have 6? Isn't that awfully unfair towards the people in the 6 player groups? If there are unused seeded spots, why not make a tournament amongst the ro48 players who did not advance and give them another chance to earn a spot in the up-and-downs?
I agree. I was confused by that too. 2/5 chance vs 1/3 chance to advance...
I think GOM wanted U/D in total to be 16 Code A Ro32 Losers + 12 Code A Ro24 Losers + 2 Seeds = 30 players, which is then splitted in 5 groups of 6 players in each.
On August 23 2012 01:19 Shinespark wrote: Gom giving away a charity seed
I remember this being said when Naniwa was seeded into code S. I wonder if people would say this to Stephano.
Mana got a lot of terrans, if he's on his game this could work. He definitely can't choke like TSL though.
Too bad he doesn't get a ton of zergs. He's said that the Korean zerg metagame is behind the European right now, so I'd believe more in him in PvZ. But I still hope he can prove the sceptics wrong
On August 23 2012 01:19 Shinespark wrote: Gom giving away a charity seed
I remember this being said when Naniwa was seeded into code S. I wonder if people would say this to Stephano.
Mana got a lot of terrans, if he's on his game this could work. He definitely can't choke like TSL though.
Too bad he doesn't get a ton of zergs. He's said that the Korean zerg metagame is behind the European right now, so I'd believe more in him in PvZ. But I still hope he can prove the sceptics wrong
My predictions (mix of my estimation of their skill and me liking them):
A: Hyun, Bomber: Hyun is claimed to be the best Z on TSL by many, and Symbol already impressed me a lot, so that guy is certain to go through. Bomber I just like, I think Keen is overall the more solid player, but if he gets a good day, Bomber can make it.
B: Puzzle, Gumiho: This group seems pretty clear to me, Gumibear is such a nice, stylistic player and Puzzle is all-around solid and safe (and P seems to be doing pretty well recently).
C: Hero, Shine: Hero has only two match-ups to practice for (his stronger ones as well), so I'm certain. Shine is not as clear a choice to me, as Alive is overall the better and more experienced player, but I somehow have the hunch that Shine comes out ahead (Maru is overrated imho).
D: Creator, Supernova: The most easy group to predict, Creator seems to be on a streak and was always really talented, while Supernova seems to be over the slump he's been in. Yugiho, Killer, Vampire are certainly not near Code S level, and Happy has been on decline. So, easy choice here.
E: Life, Violet Here I'm pretty torn. It's clear to me that neither of the Terrans get out of the group, as both of them are not that strong in TvZ, and that matchup will be the decider in this group. Life is the stronger of the two Zerg, so he is set. Between Violet and Oz, my gut feeling says Violet, so I go for him, since Oz has shaky PvT.
On August 23 2012 02:08 ACrow wrote: My predictions (mix of my estimation of their skill and me liking them):
A: Hyun, Bomber: Hyun is claimed to be the best Z on TSL by many, and Symbol already impressed me a lot, so that guy is certain to go through. Bomber I just like, I think Keen is overall the more solid player, but if he gets a good day, Bomber can make it.
B: Puzzle, Gumiho: This group seems pretty clear to me, Gumibear is such a nice, stylistic player and Puzzle is all-around solid and safe (and P seems to be doing pretty well recently).
C: Hero, Shine: Hero has only two match-ups to practice for (his stronger ones as well), so I'm certain. Shine is not as clear a choice to me, as Alive is overall the better and more experienced player, but I somehow have the hunch that Shine comes out ahead (Maru is overrated imho).
D: Creator, Supernova: The most easy group to predict, Creator seems to be on a streak and was always really talented, while Supernova seems to be over the slump he's been in. Yugiho, Killer, Vampire are certainly not near Code S level, and Happy has been on decline. So, easy choice here.
E: Life, Violet Here I'm pretty torn. It's clear to me that neither of the Terrans get out of the group, as both of them are not that strong in TvZ, and that matchup will be the decider in this group. Life is the stronger of the two Zerg, so he is set. Between Violet and Oz, my gut feeling says Violet, so I go for him, since Oz has shaky PvT.
Nice analysis, but remember that Ryung displayed vastly improved TvZ this season against DRG (against Leenock he was jetlagged and all).
I dont see how so many people can put Mana over 4 Code S quality players. Keen has been in Code S very many times. Bomber is always strong and showed it again at iem. Hyun is a fricking terrifying zerg to play against as we saw against Squirtle in the Fightclub and Jjaki is jjaki a gsl winner. Always underrated, but almost never underperforming. I dont give him a very large shot to get out of this group.
Group D is clearly the group of death. "why's that" you ask? Because it is fucking SuperNova in it, and SuperNova fucks bitches all night and smokes noobs erry day on the ladder and in the GSL. You know what SuperNova does? I don't either, but I know what he doesn't do: drop down to Code A.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
E: what im saying is supernova is gonna win his group so hard that literally every player thats not him in his group will be sent to code B because thats how bad the stompings will be
On August 23 2012 02:36 Blazinghand wrote: Group D is clearly the group of death. "why's that" you ask? Because it is fucking SuperNova in it, and SuperNova fucks bitches all night and smokes noobs erry day on the ladder and in the GSL. You know what SuperNova does? I don't either, but I know what he doesn't do: drop down to Code A.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
E: what im saying is supernova is gonna win his group so hard that literally every player thats not him in his group will be sent to code B because thats how bad the stompings will be
thats all im saying
I think I may have a crush on you.
On a different note, the Liquipedia link to Shine is wrong, it links to BW Shine, not Shine from SC2.TSL_Shine is the right link.
On August 23 2012 03:52 ViRii wrote: I'm new to GSL, do you have to buy the season pass to watch the up and down matches? or just the Code S/A tournament?
I am afraid I cannot give you a definite answer but:
At least the last two Up and Downs were open for everyone on hq definition using the Gom player. It is easily downloaded from their site, and if I remember correctly you just have to register an account on gomtv.net, you just need a valid e-mail address to use it. Not having heard anything else, I would imagine that it is free to view this on any quality this time around as well, it seems Gom will use the U&D as a gateway of sorts.
Either way, if you catch it live then you can watch it free on standard definition (which is not great by any means, but better than nothing) like every Gom tournament (sans their first Arena of Legends venture) regardless. You could also shoot them an e-mail, they would know better than anyone here, unless I have missed a statement about it.
Every group is like a group of death, it shows how competitive the scene has got, when you could see about half the players in the up/downs being in code S.
Mana's group is especially tough though, 4 recent code S players, it probably would be the hardest group if E didn't also have 4 former code S players plus Life.
All groups look pretty stacked talent wise, but groups C and E really stand out in my opinion. Also, the foreigners will be hard pressed to advance through their respective groups. Mana may be dominant at PvT, but Bomber and jjakji both have the potential to flip the kill switch and absolutely beast that match-up. Thorzain has to deal with Puzzle and Gumiho, so he will have just as difficult of a time making it through. :/
As for predictions: Group A- Bomber, Hyun Group B- Puzzle, Gumiho Group C- Maru, HerO Group D- Creator, Supernova (can definitely see Supernova placing first in the group if he shows up with the TvP he used to dismantle MC) Group E- Oz, Life
On August 23 2012 09:50 Atrbyg wrote: All groups look pretty stacked talent wise, but groups C and E really stand out in my opinion. Also, the foreigners will be hard pressed to advance through their respective groups. Mana may be dominant at PvT, but Bomber and jjakji both have the potential to flip the kill switch and absolutely beast that match-up. Thorzain has to deal with Puzzle and Gumiho, so he will have just as difficult of a time making it through. :/
As for predictions: Group A- Bomber, Hyun Group B- Puzzle, Gumiho Group C- Maru, HerO Group D- Creator, Supernova (can definitely see Supernova placing first in the group if he shows up with the TvP he used to dismantle MC) Group E- Oz, Life
^^^ my predictions as well but i hope mana gets through but if im being realistic, its bomber and hyun.
Group A - Bomber, Keen (tough choice, I voted Keen over Jjakji cuz he seems to have better TvT)
Group B - GuMiho, Puzzle (Gumiho comes from a SlayerS all kill, he is easily the favorite here)
Group C - aLive, HerO (aLive beat Hero in EG Teamleague, and should beat Maru in his best matchup which is TvT)
Group D - Creator, SuperNova (Nova proved his worth at IEM, and came back strong since he signed with mTw)
Group E - Oz, viOlet (Oz won all previous games vs viOlet, but both should easily take out the rest of the group. Ryung seems to be slumping since the GSTL final)
Surprised so many people still vote for Bomber to advance, clinging to memories of past glories. I'd put my money on HyuN and Jjakji, with Keen the next choice if HyuN goes derp mode, but in Bo1's HyuN should go ok I think.
On August 23 2012 16:34 AxionSteel wrote: Surprised so many people still vote for Bomber to advance, clinging to memories of past glories. I'd put my money on HyuN and Jjakji, with Keen the next choice if HyuN goes derp mode, but in Bo1's HyuN should go ok I think.
Bomber can still beat, well, I wouldn't say "anyone when he's in a good day", but definitely a few top tier players...
I want that he comes back to where he belongs, Code S, and the higher steps of it
If Life and Hyun don't make it into Code S this might be the least impressive group of Korean zerg ever assembled in a season. Korean zergs, outside Life and Hyun, have been looking extremely uninspiring lately, with DRG falling on his face in set after set and every one else looking very mortal (except for Curious until he dropped 2 straight sets in the WCS). Nerchio and Stephano and to a lesser extent Vortix and Sortof and maybe even JRecco all are either better or more promising than basically all of the Code S zergs, despite Zerg generally being stronger than it has in the past. I don't know what's going on in Korea but they need to get their shit together. The KESPA zergs will probably come to the rescue. Based on recent performances, in another couple months Roro, Effort, JD and Soulkey should have surpassed basically all of the GOM zergs.
On August 24 2012 03:25 The_Darkness wrote: If Life and Hyun don't make it into Code S this might be the least impressive group of Korean zerg ever assembled in a season. Korean zergs, outside Life and Hyun, have been looking extremely uninspiring lately, with DRG falling on his face in set after set and every one else looking very mortal (except for Curious until he dropped 2 straight sets in the WCS). Nerchio and Stephano and to a lesser extent Vortix and Sortof and maybe even JRecco all are either better or more promising than basically all of the Code S zergs, despite Zerg generally being stronger than it has in the past. I don't know what's going on in Korea but they need to get their shit together. The KESPA zergs will probably come to the rescue. Based on recent performances, in another couple months Roro, Effort, JD and Soulkey should have surpassed basically all of the GOM zergs.
wat lol, vortix, sortof of jrecco are nowhere near even a slumping drg haha. drg even in his losses didn't look thatt bad
EPT
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