Since its resurgence a few months ago, Root has been expanding faster than a Zerg’S creep post queen-buff. WE’ve picked up established players in the StarCraft community, like TT1 and Major, and fostered the growth of some New North American BLooD through the signing of Fitzy, PuCK, and MaSa. While WE Love acquiring New players, the constant Flow of talent Into Root’S roster is going to slow, but not before WE make ONE last addition to the family: Yoan “ToD” Merlo.
You may know ToD as, simply put, ONE of the greatest WarCraft III players of all time. If you doubt that statement, let me read off just a few of ToD’S accomplishments: 1st place World e-Sports Games, 1st place Blizzard Worldwide Invitational, Silver and bronze medals at World Cyber Games and recognition as WarCraft III’S player of the year in 2007. ToD even moved to China, a WarCraft III hub, in 2006 to hone his skills and compete in the world’S biggest tournaments.
Due to this continual success in WarCraft III, ToD turned to StarCraft II relatively slowly but has still managed to become ONE of Europe’S strongest Protoss. ToD has been living and training in Korea alongside the world’S top players since late-2011 and will be looking to post big results under Root’S banner in tournaments around the globe. expect to see ToD in North America soon as he recently qualified for a spot at IPL 5 where he will compete alongside fellow Root players Major and ViBE in the main tournament. Keep an eye out for him there as well as in team-league competition as he is sure to impress.
please follow ToD on twitter: @ROOToD
For more information on this news as well as an interview with ToD on this move, please visit www.root-gaming.com
This is the last pickup WE have planned for a few months. please continue to follow and support us!
How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
we offer happiness
Well that's the best deal possible, fair enough then.
On August 11 2012 10:52 Fragmaaad wrote: None of these players are probably salaried.. Root is broke -_-
I'm 99.9% positive with all these amazing pickups sponsors are hopefully wanting to sponsor ROOT soon. To add on to the Twitch and Rush order tees sponsor.
On August 11 2012 10:52 Fragmaaad wrote: None of these players are probably salaried.. Root is broke -_-
I'm 99.9% positive with all these amazing pickups sponsors are hopefully wanting to sponsor ROOT soon. To add on to the Twitch and Rush order tees sponsor.
As of yet, two sponsors is not even close to what is required. And I highly doubt Rush Order t's really gives that much. I hope for the players sake more sponsors come with time.
Was waiting for this thread since I saw it on twitter, huge congratulations to ToD, ROOT now has a stellar fucking lineup for a homegrown team. Really hope this talent translates to team wins
This is a pleasant surprise. I did not think root would be able to make such a pick-up. Makes me wonder what else root is capable of doing, especially with crank hanging around the free market.
WOW, really WOW, amazing pick up by ROOT, good to see some more amazing players joining ROOT, looks like its going a lot better this time around, GL in Future Tod and ROOT!
On August 11 2012 11:10 Capulet wrote: This is a pleasant surprise. I did not think root would be able to make such a pick-up. Makes me wonder what else root is capable of doing, especially with crank hanging around the free market.
I think the chances of crank joining root are slim, unless root has access to sponsorship funds to send him places that I'm not aware of.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
ROOT has gotten so many big pick ups recently. I really like how they stick with foreigners too. going to be the bastion of foreigner hope in every tournament. haha
the rate at which they're recruiting people...at some point should become worrisome for team continuity and dynamics. how can it even feel like a family, starting to seem more like a foster home.
Gratz to Root and ToD they are getting scarier every day!!
However, I wanna see Root in a team leagues they are going to be scary for sure. Cant wait for them to participate in the next IPL TAC and hopefully get invited into the EGMC.
I'm probably going to get all kind of flack for this but doesn't it seem like ToD is given more respect than he deserves in SC2 because of his War3 glory? I remember him 2-0ing Alicia once about a year ago in bracket play the first time the Koreans started going to MLGs. Has he had any major or minor victories since then? I can't seem to think of any.
On August 11 2012 11:43 MrProdigious wrote: Root going to rise up and start dominating.
They just need to sign Jinro and they will be an amazing poker team!
Just kidding, but it's pretty sweet its hard not to like Root I wish Kiwikaki still played some sc2. Line up looks awesome hpefully they can play in some really good team leagues soon
Man, new and improved ROOT v2.0 is looking really fucking strong since their last two or so pickups, and now ToD? Damn, idk where the hell they are getting these funds, but this is good for ROOT nonetheless. GL ToD and ROOT!
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
They're relocating to Catz' house in Lima with a 2nd "training" house in Le Paz coming soon. When the players aren't practicing they'll be growing, exporting and distributing Cocaine through the guise of a team of successful progamers.
CatZ and Drewbie are the masterminds, and are using Catz connections and knowledge of the local area to get started.
Fayth and KiWiKaKi are the main investors, but Kiwikaki will also be using his Vegas connections to set up distribution to the biggest hotels on the Las Vegas strip.
RotterdaM and ToD are going to use their knowledge and connections in the European rave scene to help start distribution there, but as part of Catz' master plan they will also use the current European economic crisis in order to run for office in their respective countries and eventually bring in of the legalisation of medicinal coca throughout Europe, of which Root will be the only officially sanctioned supplier.
Fitzyhere, PuCK, and MaSa are there to try and influence American college and high-school kids to start using cocaine they will then oversee the distribution of that segment.
Major was an extremely important pickup. Without him there is no way that Root would be able to get their coca through Mexico's dangerous borderlands into the US, he will use his extensive network to ensure safe transit of the cargo.
There is only one piece of the Puzzle missing. That is, you guessed it, CoCa. With him they can avoid arousing the suspicion of the law from continually talking about Coca, because they will think that they're just discussing the salary of their ace zerg.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
They're relocating to Catz' house in Lima with a 2nd "training" house in Le Paz coming soon. When the players aren't practicing they'll be growing, exporting and distributing Cocaine through the guise of a team of successful progamers.
CatZ and Drewbie are the masterminds, and are using Catz connections and knowledge of the local area to get started.
Fayth and KiWiKaKi are the main investors, but Kiwikaki will also be using his Vegas connections to set up distribution to the biggest hotels on the Las Vegas strip.
RotterdaM and ToD are going to use their knowledge and connections in the European rave scene to help start distribution there, but as part of Catz' master plan they will also use the current European economic crisis in order to run for office in their respective countries and eventually bring in of the legalisation of medicinal coca throughout Europe, of which Root will be the only officially sanctioned supplier.
Fitzyhere, PuCK, and MaSa are there to try and influence American college and high-school kids to start using cocaine they will then oversee the distribution of that segment.
Major was an extremely important pickup. Without him there is no way that Root would be able to get their coca through Mexico's dangerous borderlands into the US, he will use his extensive network to ensure safe transit of the cargo.
There is only one piece of the Puzzle missing. That is, you guessed it, CoCa. With him they can avoid arousing the suspicion of the law from continuing talking about Coca, because they will think that they're just discussing the salary of their ace zerg.
So much for quietly getting a top NA roster, its loud and clear, sick zergs protoss and terran on that roster. It makes a lot more sense if you consider the fact that major and tod stayed at the gom house at the same time! GL
On August 11 2012 12:00 Surrealistic wrote: ROOT is like an elephant's graveyard of old progamers who are probably never going to win a major tournament ever. Except Major. Ironically.
Thanks for your pro assessment of the situation, bro.
On August 11 2012 12:00 Surrealistic wrote: ROOT is like an elephant's graveyard of old progamers who are probably never going to win a major tournament ever. Except Major. Ironically.
Thanks for your pro assessment of the situation, bro.
Rofl, some of them already have. That kid is so stupid...
A while ago catz said Root isn't built on hype. They've had a lot of pickups lately, and a I daresay the latest pickups in ToD/Major are better than the rest of the Root roster. But I'm still waiting to see any results from root, and not just the hype generated by picking up all these players.
I do wish the best of luck to ToD, I've enjoyed watching him play and hope he benefits from joining root.
Fits the ROOT stereotype of controversial, so not all that surprising. That being said, even after the stuff ToD did back in WarCraft 3 he was always one of my favorite players to watch. I always support Human players, so best of luck for ToD.
On August 11 2012 12:00 Surrealistic wrote: ROOT is like an elephant's graveyard of old progamers who are probably never going to win a major tournament ever. Except Major. Ironically.
Dude, that's harsh. At least you should say ROOT is like a frat house for wash-up pro.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
They're relocating to Catz' house in Lima with a 2nd "training" house in Le Paz coming soon. When the players aren't practicing they'll be growing, exporting and distributing Cocaine through the guise of a team of successful progamers.
CatZ and Drewbie are the masterminds, and are using Catz connections and knowledge of the local area to get started.
Fayth and KiWiKaKi are the main investors, but Kiwikaki will also be using his Vegas connections to set up distribution to the biggest hotels on the Las Vegas strip.
RotterdaM and ToD are going to use their knowledge and connections in the European rave scene to help start distribution there, but as part of Catz' master plan they will also use the current European economic crisis in order to run for office in their respective countries and eventually bring in of the legalisation of medicinal coca throughout Europe, of which Root will be the only officially sanctioned supplier.
Fitzyhere, PuCK, and MaSa are there to try and influence American college and high-school kids to start using cocaine they will then oversee the distribution of that segment.
Major was an extremely important pickup. Without him there is no way that Root would be able to get their coca through Mexico's dangerous borderlands into the US, he will use his extensive network to ensure safe transit of the cargo.
There is only one piece of the Puzzle missing. That is, you guessed it, CoCa. With him they can avoid arousing the suspicion of the law from continually talking about Coca, because they will think that they're just discussing the salary of their ace zerg.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
They're relocating to Catz' house in Lima with a 2nd "training" house in Le Paz coming soon. When the players aren't practicing they'll be growing, exporting and distributing Cocaine through the guise of a team of successful progamers.
CatZ and Drewbie are the masterminds, and are using Catz connections and knowledge of the local area to get started.
Fayth and KiWiKaKi are the main investors, but Kiwikaki will also be using his Vegas connections to set up distribution to the biggest hotels on the Las Vegas strip.
RotterdaM and ToD are going to use their knowledge and connections in the European rave scene to help start distribution there, but as part of Catz' master plan they will also use the current European economic crisis in order to run for office in their respective countries and eventually bring in of the legalisation of medicinal coca throughout Europe, of which Root will be the only officially sanctioned supplier.
Fitzyhere, PuCK, and MaSa are there to try and influence American college and high-school kids to start using cocaine they will then oversee the distribution of that segment.
Major was an extremely important pickup. Without him there is no way that Root would be able to get their coca through Mexico's dangerous borderlands into the US, he will use his extensive network to ensure safe transit of the cargo.
There is only one piece of the Puzzle missing. That is, you guessed it, CoCa. With him they can avoid arousing the suspicion of the law from continually talking about Coca, because they will think that they're just discussing the salary of their ace zerg.
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, cause ROOT's getting everybody out there.
Holy shit, 6 months ago I would never have thought ROOT would get someone like ToD. I was worried when they restarted about their financial stability, but I'm glad they're doing well.
On August 11 2012 13:17 Shellshock1122 wrote: Congrats to ToD and ROOT. Is ROOT the largest or close to the largest foreign team now? I feel like ton of people have joined
Quantic is still bigger, I think they have second though
On August 11 2012 13:54 Ace1123 wrote: How do they Pay These players
Well I think 2 things.
1. They have a big sponsor incoming.
2. They aren't paying them much if any at all.
I doubt twitch sponsorship gives them that much money so I think they may just be joining in the hopes that when all these popularish players get on a team a sponsor will want them.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
They're relocating to Catz' house in Lima with a 2nd "training" house in Le Paz coming soon. When the players aren't practicing they'll be growing, exporting and distributing Cocaine through the guise of a team of successful progamers.
CatZ and Drewbie are the masterminds, and are using Catz connections and knowledge of the local area to get started.
Fayth and KiWiKaKi are the main investors, but Kiwikaki will also be using his Vegas connections to set up distribution to the biggest hotels on the Las Vegas strip.
RotterdaM and ToD are going to use their knowledge and connections in the European rave scene to help start distribution there, but as part of Catz' master plan they will also use the current European economic crisis in order to run for office in their respective countries and eventually bring in of the legalisation of medicinal coca throughout Europe, of which Root will be the only officially sanctioned supplier.
Fitzyhere, PuCK, and MaSa are there to try and influence American college and high-school kids to start using cocaine they will then oversee the distribution of that segment.
Major was an extremely important pickup. Without him there is no way that Root would be able to get their coca through Mexico's dangerous borderlands into the US, he will use his extensive network to ensure safe transit of the cargo.
There is only one piece of the Puzzle missing. That is, you guessed it, CoCa. With him they can avoid arousing the suspicion of the law from continually talking about Coca, because they will think that they're just discussing the salary of their ace zerg.
I think a lot of the bigger players are probably almost entirely self sponsored [maybe only getting stipends for flights etc]. Catz, destiny etc should all make good money just on stream numbers, the lower level players are generally living with their parents [fitzy and puck etc] and so dont require much of a pay. A lot of them already remarked in interviews there fine with a pay decrease because they have financial stability, and the long term benefits will be worth it. Financial stability= stream, merchandise, perhaps online poker, etc.
I'm a little worried if Root is a serious enough team for ToD, as he is just such amazing talent. If Root play there cards right, they might see huge succes in this new roster, just hope they don't flop like they've done before. GL to Root and ToD!
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
ToD should be very cheap, as his tournament results are non-existing
On August 11 2012 16:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Pretty bad for ROOT. ToD is so bad player nowadays. He havent even got to GM in eu. Yes he have hundres of games this season...
He havent anything as long as I remember. Have he ever won anything? Fnatic did great job when they left him.
He got GM in korea right before going back to france, did it occur to you GM was closed? my dog could get GM on eu and na
On August 11 2012 16:19 zoLo wrote: Wow, Root has been on a roll with all these additions.
but yet to actually do something
next few mlgs should be interesting
What do you mean "do" something? There hasn't really been many major events that have gone on since their reformation. The major events that have been taking places have been the WCS, in which ROOT has done quite well. They have 5 members who have qualified for the NA finals. Two of their members won their respected wcs qualifier, Vibe and Major.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
ToD should be very cheap, as his tournament results are non-existing
He won SEC 2011 (is like EM for EU players), and is the first player who won this title in two RTS Games (SC2 & WC3). He won nothing in 2012 like Naniwa and all other Foreigners except Stephano.
Sorry but ToD isn't a nice pick up ... OK he is a Star and everybody knows him, but his performance are not good at all. For example HSC V where he didn't pass the group stage after a long time in Korea.
Then he had the opportunities to Qualifie to the MSI Pro cup through the MSI Pro Cup French Qualifier where he lost against KenZy and recently (this week) against AureS (who's know playin' only for fun ...).
But May be he'll have a Booost and become good with ROOT ? I don't know, wait & see
I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
On August 11 2012 16:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Pretty bad for ROOT. ToD is so bad player nowadays. He havent even got to GM in eu. Yes he have hundres of games this season...
He havent anything as long as I remember. Have he ever won anything? Fnatic did great job when they left him.
He got GM in korea right before going back to france, did it occur to you GM was closed? my dog could get GM on eu and na
On August 11 2012 20:07 Cartman_ wrote: Sorry but ToD isn't a nice pick up ... OK he is a Star and everybody knows him, but his performance are not good at all. For example HSC V where he didn't pass the group stage after a long time in Korea.
What is a nice pick up? A player that gets in sponsors! What player gets in sponsors? A player that is well known, sparks interest and is somewhat special!
Now ask yourself: How many of those are available?
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
You again. No, its not even, wc3 players doing much better, but its hard for you to admit facts.
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
Dude Lucifron and Happy have propably the most impressive results from the Terrans ^^
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
ToD should be very cheap, as his tournament results are non-existing
He won SEC 2011 (is like EM for EU players), and is the first player who won this title in two RTS Games (SC2 & WC3). He won nothing in 2012 like Naniwa and all other Foreigners except Stephano.
GL ToD <3
Nothing in 2012...? Thorzain won DreamHack Open: Stockholm, Nerchio won HomeStory Cup V, MaNa won DreamHack Open: Summer. DIMAGA got 2nd at IEM Season VI: Kiev.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
ToD should be very cheap, as his tournament results are non-existing
He won SEC 2011 (is like EM for EU players), and is the first player who won this title in two RTS Games (SC2 & WC3). He won nothing in 2012 like Naniwa and all other Foreigners except Stephano.
GL ToD <3
Nothing in 2012...? Thorzain won DreamHack Open: Stockholm, Nerchio won HomeStory Cup V, MaNa won DreamHack Open: Summer. DIMAGA got 2nd at IEM Season VI: Kiev.
DIMAGA got 2nd Dreamhack Open: Summer as well. Nerchio got top 8 at both the Dreamhacks. In comparsion, Tod hasn't even passed the group stages in most tournaments he's participated in the past 9-12 months.
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
Dude Lucifron and Happy have propably the most impressive results from the Terrans ^^
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
Dude Lucifron and Happy have propably the most impressive results from the Terrans ^^
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
I'm not sure what your list is supposed to prove. Put the best five BW players against the best five WC3 players (minus Stephano) and it'll be pretty even. Include Koreans and it won't be even at all.
Moreover, a lot of people would disagree with yout top lists. Demuslim, Illusion, Nightend, Grubby?
Winners, runnerups. I certainly don't see WC3 guys doing much better. But I repeat, include the Koreans (and all WC3 guys) and you have total and utter domination for BW.
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
Dude Lucifron and Happy have propably the most impressive results from the Terrans ^^
Really impressed with that lineup, grats to ROOT. Would love to see Minigun rejoining after his contract with complexity is up + Kiwikaki comming back when he is ready and destroying everyone again, changing the metagame as he does so.
Their line up for team league is awesome like id think the strongest on the team are TT1, Major, Masa, ToD, Vibe and Slush so id expect to see them a lot. The rest could be good for specifically taking down players like id say CatZ would be a great way to take down a really strong player who wouldn't be used to really creative play and Puck is really solid so he could be a guy to go out first in an all kill format. Rotterdam is kinda unknown so I can't really say about him and Destiny just doesn't practice enough so is really unknown if he can compete at the top level.
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
I'm not sure what your list is supposed to prove. Put the best five BW players against the best five WC3 players (minus Stephano) and it'll be pretty even. Include Koreans and it won't be even at all.
Moreover, a lot of people would disagree with yout top lists. Demuslim, Illusion, Nightend, Grubby?
Winners, runnerups. I certainly don't see WC3 guys doing much better. But I repeat, include the Koreans (and all WC3 guys) and you have total and utter domination for BW.
Absolutely true, but Wc3 was not nearly as big in KR as it was in EU and also the SC community is way bigger than Wc3 ever was (even though China is huge and took the dominant role in Wc3 at the end and is now the only really active scene there is in Wc3.)
Yes Wc3(especially EU guys) do pretty well, but KR is BW hometurf so no surprise at all that they got the most skilled players with the highest player count that comes naturally with the BW history there.
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
I'm not sure what your list is supposed to prove. Put the best five BW players against the best five WC3 players (minus Stephano) and it'll be pretty even. Include Koreans and it won't be even at all.
Moreover, a lot of people would disagree with yout top lists. Demuslim, Illusion, Nightend, Grubby?
Winners, runnerups. I certainly don't see WC3 guys doing much better. But I repeat, include the Koreans (and all WC3 guys) and you have total and utter domination for BW.
Absolutely true, but Wc3 was not nearly as big in KR as it was in EU and also the SC community is way bigger than Wc3 ever was (even though China is huge and took the dominant role in Wc3 at the end and is now the only really active scene there is in Wc3.)
Yes Wc3(especially EU guys) do pretty well, but KR is BW hometurf so no surprise at all that they got the most skilled players with the highest player count that comes naturally with the BW history there.
There were more foreign WC3 guys than BW guys, but I don't think that's all that interesting. My point was simply that in the foreign scene WC3 top guys aren't better than BW guys. The very best foreign BW guys vs the very best foreign WC3 guys, and it's pretty much even.
why does it even matter who are doing better between WC3 and BW..... RTS requires a specific set of skills and dedication, whoever has that is going to succeed wether he is from WC3, BW or even fuckin world of warcraft
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
Dude Lucifron and Happy have propably the most impressive results from the Terrans ^^
In wc3, but not in sc2.
I think atm Lucifron is the best european terran by far.
On August 11 2012 23:54 ROOTFayth wrote: why does it even matter who are doing better between WC3 and BW..... RTS requires a specific set of skills and dedication, whoever has that is going to succeed wether he is from WC3, BW or even fuckin world of warcraft
yeah it's embarrassing sometimes that people still doesn't get it at all.
Aha, Rotti and ToD the legendary casting duo in the same team! Awesome. Wish they could cast some more stuff together, they fit so perfectly together ;D
Many pickups..now let's see if these pickups have actual results... not "15th in MLG" and so on..that's not a result..that's a plain consolation of a "consolation number" and nobody remembers it.
On August 11 2012 23:54 ROOTFayth wrote: why does it even matter who are doing better between WC3 and BW..... RTS requires a specific set of skills and dedication, whoever has that is going to succeed wether he is from WC3, BW or even fuckin world of warcraft
because fuck you for not liking the things i like?
On August 11 2012 23:54 ROOTFayth wrote: why does it even matter who are doing better between WC3 and BW..... RTS requires a specific set of skills and dedication, whoever has that is going to succeed wether he is from WC3, BW or even fuckin world of warcraft
because fuck you for not liking the things i like?
On August 11 2012 23:54 ROOTFayth wrote: why does it even matter who are doing better between WC3 and BW..... RTS requires a specific set of skills and dedication, whoever has that is going to succeed wether he is from WC3, BW or even fuckin world of warcraft
because fuck you for not liking the things i like?
pardon me?
He said, "because fuck you for not liking the things i like?"
On August 11 2012 23:54 ROOTFayth wrote: why does it even matter who are doing better between WC3 and BW..... RTS requires a specific set of skills and dedication, whoever has that is going to succeed wether he is from WC3, BW or even fuckin world of warcraft
because fuck you for not liking the things i like?
pardon me?
I think he was agreeing with your point and was simply trying to portray what those who disagree with you might think in his opinion.
To what you said: I don't think anybody disagrees that the best players succeed regardless of their background. The issue is really basically the same as when people have their favourite players and teams that they support. Those who played WC3 tend to support former WC3 players and those who played BW tend to support former BW players. It is perfectly natural, I think. As to why people care? Because, as you well know, there was always a rivalry between BW and WC3. They finally get to settle it in some form with SC2 as the battleground. People end up arguing because they do not agree on the results.
Holy shit Catz, it's so exciting to see Root keep growing like this. With all those toss players, led by TT1 and ToD, and all those zerg players, led by Vibe, and the terrans led by Major... Root might have what it takes to start tearing it up in some team leagues, you guys have shittons of potential
I don't think anyone on ROOT's lineup is on ToDs level. Training with his new teammates won't be that helpful for him. Nonetheless great pickup. Good job, Catz!
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
They're relocating to Catz' house in Lima with a 2nd "training" house in Le Paz coming soon. When the players aren't practicing they'll be growing, exporting and distributing Cocaine through the guise of a team of successful progamers.
CatZ and Drewbie are the masterminds, and are using Catz connections and knowledge of the local area to get started.
Fayth and KiWiKaKi are the main investors, but Kiwikaki will also be using his Vegas connections to set up distribution to the biggest hotels on the Las Vegas strip.
RotterdaM and ToD are going to use their knowledge and connections in the European rave scene to help start distribution there, but as part of Catz' master plan they will also use the current European economic crisis in order to run for office in their respective countries and eventually bring in of the legalisation of medicinal coca throughout Europe, of which Root will be the only officially sanctioned supplier.
Fitzyhere, PuCK, and MaSa are there to try and influence American college and high-school kids to start using cocaine they will then oversee the distribution of that segment.
Major was an extremely important pickup. Without him there is no way that Root would be able to get their coca through Mexico's dangerous borderlands into the US, he will use his extensive network to ensure safe transit of the cargo.
There is only one piece of the Puzzle missing. That is, you guessed it, CoCa. With him they can avoid arousing the suspicion of the law from continually talking about Coca, because they will think that they're just discussing the salary of their ace zerg.
For every people who say that ToD isn t a good player. Maybe in game he make sometimes big mistake of macro or such. But every one who listen to him casting, know he has an amazing sense of the game. Honestly I think he is one of the most technical player. GL to ROOT and ToD
On August 11 2012 20:15 Lylat wrote: I hope he'll train hard and succeed in SC2, it's a shame that such a huge player didn't win anything in SC2, besides ex-WC3 pros are doing well (better than former BW pros :p), and he was one of the best !
Take Stephano out and it's about even between WC3 and BW. Include Koreans and BW absolutely crushes WC3.
If we only count foreigners then the wc3 players are doing A LOT better.
Top Terrans: ThorZaIN (WC3) Kas (WC3) Demuslim (WC3) Illussion (No former career, played Special Force competetivley) Major (BW) (Happy, BeastyQT, Lucifron are also from wc3, but the dont really have that impressive results so didnt include them)
Top Zergs: Stephano (WC3) Nerchio (BW) Ret (BW) Sen (BW) Sheth (BW)
Top Protoss: Naniwa (WC3) SaSe (WC3) NightEnd (WC3) Grubby (WC3) Mana (BW)
As far as I'm aware there aren't really that many former korean wc3 pros besides Moon, Lyn, Ven, Violet and Polt.
Dude Lucifron and Happy have propably the most impressive results from the Terrans ^^
In wc3, but not in sc2.
Lucifron has had amazing results in sc2.
But definately not better than ThorZaIN, which means he's not the most impressive terran.
I remember how cut up i was when i heard root was being absorbed by col... but now they are back and getting some great players!!! Brings a little tear to my eye, root is awesome, i love all you guys!
lol, so bad for tod to be honest. this team has almost no good player except for maybe vibe and major (and by good i mean players who are able to win tournaments). he should've stayed at fnatic.
Love ToD since early wc3 days i'm really happy to see him with rotterdam cause they alwayz liked each other and i had a lot of good times listening to their WC3 cast. RooT fighting!
Wow, ROOT means business. Curious to see how they will grow and I will be following their tournament showings, congrats to both ROOT and ToD (and Rotti).
On August 12 2012 23:29 Wambo wrote: lol, so bad for tod to be honest. this team has almost no good player except for maybe vibe and major (and by good i mean players who are able to win tournaments). he should've stayed at fnatic.
how do you know that staying with fnatic was an option? maybe fnatic wasn't satisfied with his results and decided to let him go.
not to mention what results does Tod have that makes him able to in wambo's veiw stand above the others on the team not much and certainly not more then vibe major have.
On August 12 2012 23:29 Wambo wrote: lol, so bad for tod to be honest. this team has almost no good player except for maybe vibe and major (and by good i mean players who are able to win tournaments). he should've stayed at fnatic.
how do you know that staying with fnatic was an option? maybe fnatic wasn't satisfied with his results and decided to let him go.
Happy to see ToD joining a new team, hopefully we can see him perform well for Root. On the other hand, as Bagi just said, I hope Root has a strong enough base to keep all of these players. I'm not too worried though. They have some very popular streamers in there, giving them a pretty solid fan base...the big sponsorships could be just around the corner. Let's hope so for them.
Gratz to ToD for getting picked up. But honestly, i dont see ROOT accomplishing anything in sc2 outside the US. They just dont have the talent pool for it. But lets hope they dont tank this time again. Destiny... lolez
On August 13 2012 04:52 Bagi wrote: Root has a pretty sick lineup...
But do they actually have the sponsorship and money this time around?
Twitch.tv and Rushordertee's are their current sponsors. I hope they can gain a few more so they can truly be comfortable. Apparently CatZ has a buddy helping out with the financial aspect of the team this time around. It's also worth noting that most of Root's roster have been on various major teams throughout the scene. I'm sure they knew what they were getting into, otherwise Root wouldn't nearly have the roster size it has now.
I don't know why CatZ doesn't bother to invest into a spellchecker, yet he hires a frenchman to play protoss for money.
Partly kidding. CatZ, get yourself someone who knows rhetorics and spelling to post your official staments, if you're going to spend a ton of money anyways.
On August 11 2012 10:48 Fusilero wrote: How are root able to afford these players? I understand they have some sponsors but a player like tod can't be cheap I'm just curious what root offered to tod.
They're relocating to Catz' house in Lima with a 2nd "training" house in Le Paz coming soon. When the players aren't practicing they'll be growing, exporting and distributing Cocaine through the guise of a team of successful progamers.
CatZ and Drewbie are the masterminds, and are using Catz connections and knowledge of the local area to get started.
Fayth and KiWiKaKi are the main investors, but Kiwikaki will also be using his Vegas connections to set up distribution to the biggest hotels on the Las Vegas strip.
RotterdaM and ToD are going to use their knowledge and connections in the European rave scene to help start distribution there, but as part of Catz' master plan they will also use the current European economic crisis in order to run for office in their respective countries and eventually bring in of the legalisation of medicinal coca throughout Europe, of which Root will be the only officially sanctioned supplier.
Fitzyhere, PuCK, and MaSa are there to try and influence American college and high-school kids to start using cocaine they will then oversee the distribution of that segment.
Major was an extremely important pickup. Without him there is no way that Root would be able to get their coca through Mexico's dangerous borderlands into the US, he will use his extensive network to ensure safe transit of the cargo.
There is only one piece of the Puzzle missing. That is, you guessed it, CoCa. With him they can avoid arousing the suspicion of the law from continually talking about Coca, because they will think that they're just discussing the salary of their ace zerg.
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Drewbie
CatZ
TT1
gl ToD!
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