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Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
August 10 2012 11:14 GMT
#101
The line up looks something like this

- Michael Jordan
- Bob
- Frank
- Mark
- John
- John

I hope it works out well for Sage and the team.
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 10 2012 11:18 GMT
#102
On August 10 2012 17:57 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 17:41 zul wrote:
I`m a bit torn about this. Sure, Sage gets some shortterm money, but on the longterm this move will hurt his skill and therefore decrease his market value. Good luck anyways.


Yeah, no player who trained 99% on UE ever got a good result in a big tournament, and all players who trained mostly in Korea had awesome results and incredible skill increase.

Nerchio/Stephano/Mana/Thorzhain.

Idra/TLO/HuK/ToD.

You might be right though, it's just your link between "playing on EU" and "skill decrease" which is irrevelant.

only one of those eight players is good. Whats your point?
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
August 10 2012 11:29 GMT
#103
On August 10 2012 20:18 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 17:57 Agathon wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:41 zul wrote:
I`m a bit torn about this. Sure, Sage gets some shortterm money, but on the longterm this move will hurt his skill and therefore decrease his market value. Good luck anyways.


Yeah, no player who trained 99% on UE ever got a good result in a big tournament, and all players who trained mostly in Korea had awesome results and incredible skill increase.

Nerchio/Stephano/Mana/Thorzhain.

Idra/TLO/HuK/ToD.

You might be right though, it's just your link between "playing on EU" and "skill decrease" which is irrevelant.

only one of those eight players is good. Whats your point?


Saying that Sage's skill will decrease BECAUSE he'll play on EU ladder has no sens. This is my point. Quoted players are my exemples.

"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
August 10 2012 11:38 GMT
#104
dont know what to think of that...
gl to both parties!
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
August 10 2012 11:46 GMT
#105
he ll also go to ministry of win
source their facebook page
RYUZbim
Profile Joined December 2011
France48 Posts
August 10 2012 12:48 GMT
#106
wow, this lineup makes no sense, not even a top50 EU and they recruit a KR.. gl to both anyway
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 10 2012 12:49 GMT
#107
Aww. . .Sucks for NSH. :[
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 10 2012 12:55 GMT
#108
On August 10 2012 20:29 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 20:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:57 Agathon wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:41 zul wrote:
I`m a bit torn about this. Sure, Sage gets some shortterm money, but on the longterm this move will hurt his skill and therefore decrease his market value. Good luck anyways.


Yeah, no player who trained 99% on UE ever got a good result in a big tournament, and all players who trained mostly in Korea had awesome results and incredible skill increase.

Nerchio/Stephano/Mana/Thorzhain.

Idra/TLO/HuK/ToD.

You might be right though, it's just your link between "playing on EU" and "skill decrease" which is irrevelant.

only one of those eight players is good. Whats your point?


Saying that Sage's skill will decrease BECAUSE he'll play on EU ladder has no sens. This is my point. Quoted players are my exemples.



there is a better exemple: ViOlet. He even plays on NA XD
Zest fanboy.
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
August 10 2012 13:11 GMT
#109
Congrats great pick up for you guys
Follow me on Instagram @Chef_Betto
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 10 2012 13:39 GMT
#110
On August 10 2012 20:29 Agathon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 20:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:57 Agathon wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:41 zul wrote:
I`m a bit torn about this. Sure, Sage gets some shortterm money, but on the longterm this move will hurt his skill and therefore decrease his market value. Good luck anyways.


Yeah, no player who trained 99% on UE ever got a good result in a big tournament, and all players who trained mostly in Korea had awesome results and incredible skill increase.

Nerchio/Stephano/Mana/Thorzhain.

Idra/TLO/HuK/ToD.

You might be right though, it's just your link between "playing on EU" and "skill decrease" which is irrevelant.

only one of those eight players is good. Whats your point?


Saying that Sage's skill will decrease BECAUSE he'll play on EU ladder has no sens. This is my point. Quoted players are my exemples.


well hes gonna disappear from [insert Korean leagues] and probably get pass 2 rounds in MLG open bracket
thats the case for most mediocre Koreans who bail out of Korean scene.
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
August 10 2012 14:39 GMT
#111
On August 10 2012 22:39 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 20:29 Agathon wrote:
On August 10 2012 20:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:57 Agathon wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:41 zul wrote:
I`m a bit torn about this. Sure, Sage gets some shortterm money, but on the longterm this move will hurt his skill and therefore decrease his market value. Good luck anyways.


Yeah, no player who trained 99% on UE ever got a good result in a big tournament, and all players who trained mostly in Korea had awesome results and incredible skill increase.

Nerchio/Stephano/Mana/Thorzhain.

Idra/TLO/HuK/ToD.

You might be right though, it's just your link between "playing on EU" and "skill decrease" which is irrevelant.

only one of those eight players is good. Whats your point?


Saying that Sage's skill will decrease BECAUSE he'll play on EU ladder has no sens. This is my point. Quoted players are my exemples.


well hes gonna disappear from [insert Korean leagues] and probably get pass 2 rounds in MLG open bracket
thats the case for most mediocre Koreans who bail out of Korean scene.



no
take a look at esc daisy or type real
best example of korean players playing on eu and stuff
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
August 10 2012 14:55 GMT
#112
Awesome news for Sage! Best of luck at the ministry of win house
Sc2 Caster | Host of Sc2 Up & Coming | The Godfather of Team LXG | Sc2 Historian | Youtube.com/NanMan | Twitch.tv/TheRealNanMan | Twitter.com/TheRealNanMan |
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
August 10 2012 15:00 GMT
#113
On August 10 2012 22:39 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 20:29 Agathon wrote:
On August 10 2012 20:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:57 Agathon wrote:
On August 10 2012 17:41 zul wrote:
I`m a bit torn about this. Sure, Sage gets some shortterm money, but on the longterm this move will hurt his skill and therefore decrease his market value. Good luck anyways.


Yeah, no player who trained 99% on UE ever got a good result in a big tournament, and all players who trained mostly in Korea had awesome results and incredible skill increase.

Nerchio/Stephano/Mana/Thorzhain.

Idra/TLO/HuK/ToD.

You might be right though, it's just your link between "playing on EU" and "skill decrease" which is irrevelant.

only one of those eight players is good. Whats your point?


Saying that Sage's skill will decrease BECAUSE he'll play on EU ladder has no sens. This is my point. Quoted players are my exemples.


well hes gonna disappear from [insert Korean leagues] and probably get pass 2 rounds in MLG open bracket
thats the case for most mediocre Koreans who bail out of Korean scene.


What does it change? If he's mediocre and stays in Korea, he will be...mediocre. Unless you know a mediocre korean player who won a GSL just because he wisely stays involved in the korean scene.

What the ...? I don't get your point bro.
"C'est au pied du mur, qu'on voit le mieux...le mur".
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
August 10 2012 15:08 GMT
#114
Haha, I wonder what's next. San joining alt-F4 gaming, Seal joining ctrl-alt-delete gaming?
Likthor
Profile Joined September 2011
57 Posts
August 10 2012 15:58 GMT
#115
On August 11 2012 00:08 Harrad wrote:
Haha, I wonder what's next. San joining alt-F4 gaming, Seal joining ctrl-alt-delete gaming?

god this humor...lvl up plz
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 16:20:57
August 10 2012 16:16 GMT
#116
On August 11 2012 00:58 Likthor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 00:08 Harrad wrote:
Haha, I wonder what's next. San joining alt-F4 gaming, Seal joining ctrl-alt-delete gaming?

god this humor...lvl up plz


Okay I'll try, but it wasn't supposed to be funny anyway. It just makes me sad when a talented player like Sage who knows NOTHING about Europe and its scene joins a random unestablished European team whose players are third-rate at best (compared to Sage's level), just to follow the shallow wish of going "overseas, playing in overcrowded tournaments". The article implies that alt-tab is only able to send him to European tournaments, that means he won't be able to go MLGs or other events outside of Europe.
The worst thing of all is that they have him come to Europe so he can't even practice with other Koreans, so all he can do is practice on the subpar EU Ladder or beg for high-caliber practice partners from other teams.

tl;dr: This is bad for Sage.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
August 10 2012 16:25 GMT
#117
Hey, he knows Morrow, Jinro and Stephano.^^ Probably Naniwa, too. And most of the tournaments are in Europe anyway. I don't think it's a bad move per se.

Golden and Sleep did pretty well when they moved to the US, viOlet even more so. And Sage at his best is better than Golden or Sleep in my opinion. It's a chance to get a lot more recognition than he could ever achieve while being stuck in Code B in Korea.

On the other hand, adapting to the culture and being the lone Korean in Warsaw won't be easy. I hope Alt-Tab know what they're doing and help him a LOT!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
August 10 2012 16:31 GMT
#118
is it okay that I dont kno him or his team?
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
August 10 2012 16:35 GMT
#119
On August 11 2012 01:16 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 00:58 Likthor wrote:
On August 11 2012 00:08 Harrad wrote:
Haha, I wonder what's next. San joining alt-F4 gaming, Seal joining ctrl-alt-delete gaming?

god this humor...lvl up plz


Okay I'll try, but it wasn't supposed to be funny anyway. It just makes me sad when a talented player like Sage who knows NOTHING about Europe and its scene joins a random unestablished European team whose players are third-rate at best (compared to Sage's level), just to follow the shallow wish of going "overseas, playing in overcrowded tournaments". The article implies that alt-tab is only able to send him to European tournaments, that means he won't be able to go MLGs or other events outside of Europe.
The worst thing of all is that they have him come to Europe so he can't even practice with other Koreans, so all he can do is practice on the subpar EU Ladder or beg for high-caliber practice partners from other teams.

tl;dr: This is bad for Sage.


Be fair, he's a grown man and a smart one. He wouldn't join this team unless he had confidence in what they offered him. His goals in starcraft right now are to play in big tournaments, in front of passionate fans - is that really shallow? His career was stagnating majorly in Korea, the only thing he has is the GSL which he's dishearteningly failed to qualify for for multiple seasons, and the team league, where he didn't get too much run anyway for whatever reason. I love NSH but they're not in a position to be flying their players around the world to compete.

Whether or not this will be a good or bad move in terms of skill is remain to be seen. Sure, Korea is notoriously 'the' place to be to improve, but you can't underestimate the negative impact that things such as flailing passion or boredom with the game can have on someone. That's why he wants to move - new challenges, new goals, and an invigorated mindset. There's every chance his move to Europe will help his career flourish, Korea isn't the be all and end all of professional starcraft.
@x5_MegaFonzie
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 16:46:39
August 10 2012 16:46 GMT
#120
Of course, he is, and it's his decision, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good one. Where would this confidence you speak of come from though? Sage is a Korean who most likely hasn't left Korea since he was born (like most other Korean progamer that aren't Boxer & Co). I think he was just looking for any team that would enable him to "go overseas", and the first best (by his judging) was alt-tab.

You are right though, he will have more opportunities in Europe than he would have if he remained in Korea. But his skill WILL stagnate, but I guess it's worth as long as he is happy and able to fulfill his dream of playing in front of big crowds of passionate fans.
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