I think a really cool improvement to this idea (forgive me if its been mentioned already) would to be to use your rough prelimary results and use those to recalculate tournament weights and then show the updated list. This might make it a bit less subjective and I'd b e interested to see the results.

Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

August 21 2012 05:25 GMT

#222

On August 21 2012 13:47 Gotnerves wrote:

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Well still good work, but common sense would agree with me but it's your rankings and formula. Impressed you took the time to do this

I think common sense here goes more or less:

1) If HSC weight change, he will have to recalculate all the weights of all the tournaments based on ranking of participants. So a lot of work.
2) It is a small change, and will probably make no significant difference to the ranking.
3) No matter the starting weights, over time it will converge to the same weights from player rankings. ie, 1500 or 2000 will matter less and less as time goes, not only because of point decay.

So even if there is a consensus on 1500 being a better weight than 2000, it is essentially not worth the effort to change it.

RynoSoren

United States32 Posts

August 21 2012 06:10 GMT

#223

This doesn't factor in players that don't participate in many tournaments. NesTea for example pretty much only does GSL save a few foreign tournaments here or there. Cool that you did this though.

Metalteeth

United States115 Posts

August 21 2012 13:37 GMT

#224

On August 21 2012 14:06 VediVeci wrote:
I think a really cool improvement to this idea (forgive me if its been mentioned already) would to be to use your rough prelimary results and use those to recalculate tournament weights and then show the updated list. This might make it a bit less subjective and I'd b e interested to see the results.

You mean take what I have now, use the equations to calculate the new weight of all tournaments, then go through every event in the past year? Well, the thing is I doubt it would make all that much of a difference for the work. And those tournaments are worth less and less every day.

CheeseInSpace

Germany153 Posts

August 21 2012 16:05 GMT

#225

Haha Metalteeth, funny, i got alomst the same idea for world rankings like that a few days ago. Here is where our ideas differ (just for consideration, but i guess after 12 pages of criticism you won't change everything all over again)

1. I was aiming for an ATP-like ranking as well, so first i took their way of point distribution (which by the first post i assume you did too at first=

2. I weighed tournaments simply by prize-money in these categories taken from Liquipedia
- Premier Events - more than 20.000$
- Major Events - 5.000 to 20.000$
- Minor Events - 2.000 to 5.000 $
- Challenger Events - 1.000 to 2.000$
- Challenger 2 Events - 500 to 1.000$
- Challenger 3 Events - 100 to 500 $

I did not enter all results yet (and won't do it since you already did the same), so maybe one or two of the bottom categories would be too much work.

Points for the specific categories are taken from ATP point distribution. So Premier Events equal Grand Slams, Major Events equal the ATP World Tour Masters 1000 etc.

3. I only counted events of this year

4. There is no regression. If a tournament was played before Dec 31 2011, it is simply not counted. For the future, i would have only counted events that are not older than one year.

I know much of these points for already discussed here so you don't need to answer to my post again. Systems like this are always a little depended on the "taste" of their creator and all have their weaknesses, so it's almost pointless discuss every detail. I think you did a great job with yours, so keep it up. E-Sports really needs reliable world rankings, not only in Starcraft!

MarcoBrei

Brazil66 Posts

August 21 2012 16:29 GMT

#226

Top 5 players very similar to sc2proranks.com

Metalteeth

United States115 Posts

August 22 2012 01:15 GMT

#227

Thread Update:

The Pokerstrategy.com League has been calculated! :D

1st: 424.56
2nd: 212.28
3rd: 141.52
4th: 70.76
5th: 53.07
6th: 26.54
7th: 13.27
8th: 6.63

As for team leagues, I think I have a possible solution, but would be open to feedback. To calculate how much a tournament would be worth, first each team would be calculated. This is the total sum of the top 5 players from that team AT THE START OF THE TOURNAMENT. Same equation for all tournaments at that point, only with the change with dividing by 15 (to account for the much larger points pool), with the same points spread similar to other tournaments. To assign points for individual players, they will receive a percentage of the points the team receives, equal to the percentage of total game wins by that player throughout the tournament. For example, if a team wins 30 individual games over a tournament, and 1 player wins 15 of those games, he will receive 50% of the points for the tournament for that team.

Metalteeth

United States115 Posts

August 23 2012 03:04 GMT

#228

Thread Update: Top 100 updated. No major changes, just slight point decay.

Tournament Calculated:

Campus Party Europe:
1st: 1164.23
2nd: 582.12
3rd: 388.08
4th: 194.04
5/6: 145.53
7/8: 72.77
GS 3rd: 36.38
GS 4th: 18.19

Metalteeth

United States115 Posts

August 25 2012 04:18 GMT

#229

Tournament Calculated: WCS NA

WCS NA:
1st: 2438.54
2nd: 1219.27
3rd: 812.85
4th: 406.52
5/6: 304.82
7/8: 152.41
9-12: 76.20
13-16: 38.10
17-24: 19.05
25-32: 9.53

Holy points! The likely winner (Scarlett) will get a HUGE boost from this. MLG will be calculated tomorrow, as we wait for the players from the open bracket to make pools. Tournament will be calculated from players in the pools ONLY.

Metalteeth

United States115 Posts

August 25 2012 17:45 GMT

#230

Thread Updated:

Campus Party EU and WCS South Korea added!

Top 10:
1 MC 10360.77
2 DongRaeGu 9777.00
3 MVP 7840.82
4 MarineKing 5956.91
5 Stephano 5918.37
6 Seed 5338.32
7 Taeja 5332.83
8 MMA 5326.21
9 viOLet 4234.20
10 Nerchio 3912.07

Creator jumps to from 75th to 26th with his win of WCS SK, and SuperNova goes from 23rd to 13th with his win of Campus Part EU!

WCS NA has some HUGE possibilities to change the standings. VIBE would become 21st, Scarlett 22nd with a win of NA. Once the tournament is added, Major will break into the Top 100 (add get even better once TSL4 finishes).

MLG Summer will be calculated tonight, once the players from the open bracket enter the pools! :D

EDIT: MLG Summer calculated:

MLG Summer:
1st: 2699.70
2nd: 1349.85
3/4: 674.93
5/6: 337.46
7/8: 168.73
9-12: 84.37
13-16: 42.18
17-20: 21.09
21-24: 10.55
25-32: 5.27
33-40: 2.64

This MLG is actually lower than it normally would be. A lot of top Koreans stayed behind to close out WCS Korea, and some of the top Europeans were at Campus Party EU. This lead to a lot of lower level US players being seeded (or coming through open bracket), making the weight of the players pretty low. So winning this MLG is worth only 200 points or so more than WCS NA. Without every player that is below 500 points (approximately 100th, and there are 15 players below that), MLG would be worth over 2900 points.

Metalteeth

United States115 Posts

August 26 2012 17:48 GMT

#231

Lots of stuff being added today! First: new tournament calculated AND added:

Muiltplay UK i46
1st: 243.17
2nd: 121.59
3rd: 60.79
4th: 30.40
5/6: 15.20
7/8: 7.60
9-12: 3.80
13-16: 1.90
17-24: .95
25-32: .47

That one tournament, with so many unknown British players, added like 15 players to the rankings. JonnyRecco, winning i46, will go up about 50 spots to around 120th from 175th. I will publish the results once MLG finishes. Expect some big changes. Scarlett, will break into the Top 25 with her win of WCS NA. Stephano or Taeja winning should bring them to the Top 3. HerO winning should break him into the Top 10 again, after losing it to Nerchio.