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On August 01 2012 02:48 Bam Lee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:45 Zanno wrote:On August 01 2012 02:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Everyone who thinks Prime will pick him up is rather stupid...they' have four GSL champions, why would they pick a foreigner who is obviously at his peak and doesn't show any potential to improve?
I believe he'll become a free agent(something we begin to see more and more) and will probably stay in Mana's house in the near future. whatlook i'm not a fan of naniwa as a person in the slightest bit, but he's gotten to the point where disrespecting his play is complete jibberish Do you seriously believe that the DRG in this booth was playing as good as DRG usually plays? Edit: would be pretty awesome if some swede could translate his tweets since i dont think that this discussion is going anywhere without any further information.
Do you seriously think that NaNiwa was playing PvZ as good as he usually plays PvT or PvP?
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On August 01 2012 03:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Everyone who thinks Prime will pick him up is rather stupid...they' have four GSL champions, why would they pick a foreigner who is obviously at his peak and doesn't show any potential to improve?
I believe he'll become a free agent(something we begin to see more and more) and will probably stay in Mana's house in the near future. Am I missing something here? I'm not even going to tackle your opinion about Naniwa, I'm just wondering: when has someone from Prime ever won a GSL? (not counting Polt because he's no longer on the team)
aww you got him before I could!!!! >.<
EDIT: He's probably high and drunk or trolling.
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Not eg, liquid, dignitas, fnatic, complexity,or empire, because either they have a reputation to keep, they can't afford him, or they've already burned bridges between each other. Fnatic had naniwa in wc3 and he burned that bridge. The only teams that could make sense are: Millenium (Sell stephano acquire nani), Startale (He is code s, already in the house and can't communicate with the koreans such that he can't be a dick), or mtw.
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On August 01 2012 03:27 DashedHopes wrote:
Not eg, liquid, dignitas, fnatic, complexity,or empire, because either they have a reputation to keep, they can't afford him, or they've already burned bridges between each other. Fnatic had naniwa in wc3 and he burned that bridge. The only teams that could make sense are: Millenium (Sell stephano acquire nani), Startale (He is code s, already in the house and can't communicate with the koreans such that he can't be a dick), or mtw.
I think mTw.
Wow, it's getting strong...
DIMAGA, SuperNoVa, and maybe NaNiWa...
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On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
Yes please. Good post.
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On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
Big post. Big thruth. +1 to that.
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On August 01 2012 03:27 DashedHopes wrote:
Not eg, liquid, dignitas, fnatic, complexity,or empire, because either they have a reputation to keep, they can't afford him, or they've already burned bridges between each other. Fnatic had naniwa in wc3 and he burned that bridge. The only teams that could make sense are: Millenium (Sell stephano acquire nani), Startale (He is code s, already in the house and can't communicate with the koreans such that he can't be a dick), or mtw.
Think he managed to bee a dick in Startale house despite the language barrier He blamed "cultural differences" apparently people had stopped speaking to him.
source: the GD couch at DHS.
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On August 01 2012 03:45 narkissos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:27 DashedHopes wrote:
Not eg, liquid, dignitas, fnatic, complexity,or empire, because either they have a reputation to keep, they can't afford him, or they've already burned bridges between each other. Fnatic had naniwa in wc3 and he burned that bridge. The only teams that could make sense are: Millenium (Sell stephano acquire nani), Startale (He is code s, already in the house and can't communicate with the koreans such that he can't be a dick), or mtw. Think he managed to bee a dick in Startale house despite the language barrier He blamed "cultural differences" apparently people had stopped speaking to him. source: the GD couch at DHS.
Didn't he say, that if he has troubles with somebody he stops speaking with him for a while?
I don't think everybody stopped speaking to him all the time. Your interpretation seems overexaggarated.
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On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
True, but it's important to point out none of this is exclusive to the SC2 community.
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On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
It's not being a "drama queen" to speculate which teams might be interested in the guy. Like it or not, and whether you think he's utterly blameless or not, he is evidently not an easy person to get on with for many people. The interpersonal issues he has are absolutely relevant in talking about his team situation.
He's evidently [one of] the best foreigner[s], so his skill is not in question - if you want a good foreigner, he's absolutely your best bet right now - but his frequent team changes and the multiple issues he's had with various people are obviously going to be a limiter in his desirability to teams.
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On August 01 2012 03:28 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:27 DashedHopes wrote:
Not eg, liquid, dignitas, fnatic, complexity,or empire, because either they have a reputation to keep, they can't afford him, or they've already burned bridges between each other. Fnatic had naniwa in wc3 and he burned that bridge. The only teams that could make sense are: Millenium (Sell stephano acquire nani), Startale (He is code s, already in the house and can't communicate with the koreans such that he can't be a dick), or mtw. I think mTw. Wow, it's getting strong... DIMAGA, SuperNoVa, and maybe NaNiWa...
He has already been associated with mTw in SC2.
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On August 01 2012 03:27 DashedHopes wrote:
Not eg, liquid, dignitas, fnatic, complexity,or empire, because either they have a reputation to keep, they can't afford him, or they've already burned bridges between each other. Fnatic had naniwa in wc3 and he burned that bridge. The only teams that could make sense are: Millenium (Sell stephano acquire nani), Startale (He is code s, already in the house and can't communicate with the koreans such that he can't be a dick), or mtw.
Do you think naniwa has harmed quantic's reputation? If anything he helped bring them from relative obscurity to being a respected and noteworthy team. What about dignitas? Has any team suffered any damage from signing naniwa?
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He just posted in his fanclub.. haters keep hating and call him a liar or whatever but I sincerely believe him:
On August 01 2012 03:52 Naniwa wrote:guys guys, i appriciate all support but this was all my choice, i wasnt kicked or outed or forced to leave quantic  its all my choice . i can explain it more fully in voice if i come on ome show like lo3 etc but please dont assume its because of me being difficult or such!, i am very sorry about my small outburst in TSL .. i was so dissapointed when i played at a pretty bad IT cafe straight after i lost WCS swe. clearly i need more builds in these tournaments so im not as predictable, my spirit to become the best is exactly the same as always. i have no intentions of quitting quantic simply didnt feel like home to me. people might not understand me but thats okay. I guess all im trying to say is that - im not quitting and i appriciate all the support i get from all u fans! there is no need to donate to me on some paypal. i m allright. i just want to find ways to repay your faith with good games in the future ! Im sure ill find a home soon where i can relax and play without as much pressure as before <3
Original link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15676501
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On August 01 2012 03:45 narkissos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 03:27 DashedHopes wrote:
Not eg, liquid, dignitas, fnatic, complexity,or empire, because either they have a reputation to keep, they can't afford him, or they've already burned bridges between each other. Fnatic had naniwa in wc3 and he burned that bridge. The only teams that could make sense are: Millenium (Sell stephano acquire nani), Startale (He is code s, already in the house and can't communicate with the koreans such that he can't be a dick), or mtw. Think he managed to bee a dick in Startale house despite the language barrier He blamed "cultural differences" apparently people had stopped speaking to him. source: the GD couch at DHS.
That's not what he said.
Source: The GD couch at DHS.
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why does this thread have 1400 replies? lol
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On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post.
I can have any opinion I like, thanks.
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity. Combine that with Naniwa's consistent use of BM (that stretches back to WC3 days) and I don't think it's baseless to profile Naniwa as a "caveat emptor" pickup.
I'm not a drama queen but it's also foolish to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is fine.
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On August 01 2012 03:54 Chytilova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. True, but it's important to point out none of this is exclusive to the SC2 community.
Of course not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be better than other communities. On these forums and more often on Reddit I always see people posting "well, it's way worse in the fighting community" or "the LoL community is way worse". Those excuses always bother me. Just being "not as bad" as other communities isn't a good goal to strive for. We should always want to work to be better than we already are. And Chytilova is right, that means resisting the urge to wildly speculate about what Naniwa may or may not have done, or trashing his play, or calling him BM. If you hear reports that Naniwa did something, or caused a problem then show us a source, otherwise it's just hearsay and contributes nothing but obfuscating the real facts.
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On August 01 2012 04:16 RogerChillingworth wrote:
why does this thread have 1400 replies? lol
dramaqueens is the short answer.
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On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity. Combine that with Naniwa's consistent use of BM (that stretches back to WC3 days) and I don't think it's baseless to profile Naniwa as a "caveat emptor" pickup. I'm not a drama queen but it's also foolish to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is fine.
Please continue Naniwa's personal psychiatrist.
I can also express my opinions about you articulately, how I think you have some personal deficiency because of your need to put down other people to make yourself feel better. The most likely cause of your deficiency could either be a molestation case at the age of 8 or a druken father beating you up. See how ridiculous my "articulate" psychoanalysis of you is?
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On August 01 2012 02:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Everyone who thinks Prime will pick him up is rather stupid...they' have four GSL champions, why would they pick a foreigner who is obviously at his peak and doesn't show any potential to improve?
I believe he'll become a free agent(something we begin to see more and more) and will probably stay in Mana's house in the near future.
prime doesn't have 4 gsl champions, naniwa doesn't show signs of being at his peak, mana's house was a troll, and you sir are an idiot.
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