I talked to Crank about this situation, he said people have got it completely wrong.
He never commented on MMA. All the stuff about getting tired out of playing Starcraft II was about himself, not MMA.
Here's his comment:
"I only commented on my situation with the team. I wanted to say that I had lost some of my passion and become stressed out, so I wanted an opportunity to recharge.
The stuff between MMA and SlayerS hasn't been resolved yet, so I would be grateful if people didn't speculate so much or jump to conclusions. In any case, please support MMA.
Also, I will be streaming for the time being, but I would like to request that people refrain from asking questions about SlayerS. Thank you."
Edit: What Crank said on chat was along the lines of "MMA say no want to play sc2" "but team say no". Please read this post knowing that language barriers can cause confusion and this is by no mean 100% correct. However, this is a situation that makes the most sense considering that it involves no sex scandals or physical violence, and seems like a reasonable thing that MMA might do considering his personality
On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA. He also kept saying "MMA good personality" which implies that the demotion was unrelated to anything malicious or physical and supports the "passion" explanation
If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.
Sorry for the lack of physical evidence. Hopefully the 300 viewers of his stream can corroborate this and maybe post a screenshot of the chat when he said this.
In regards to Crank changing his twitter: he said many times on his stream "no team" but this could have meant no team house as he was practicing in some secret location. However, someone asked him if he was on slayers and he responded with "no slayers".
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote: On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.
If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote: On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.
If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.
WTF?! FINALLY SOME INFO?!
Source?
Well, crank was streaming today and people bothered him so much about it on chat that he gave somewhat of an explanation. Hopefully someone out there saved it with a screenshot
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote: On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.
If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.
WTF?! FINALLY SOME INFO?!
Source?
First sentence seems like the "source". I guess he was a viewer and the stream has yet to produce a VOD.
On July 25 2012 13:26 opterown wrote: this is still all rather vague, plus crank's english is hardly eloquent. i wouldn't put too much faith in this tbh
I was on the chat and he kept saying "MMA good personality", which implies we shouldn't think MMA did anything malicious or physical, which lines up pretty well with this explanation
On July 25 2012 13:24 MasterKang wrote: On his stream, Crank gave a pretty rough explanation of why MMA was demoted and what is going on. Basically, MMA has begun to "lose his passion" for the game and doesn't want to play the long practice hours that every team requires. Of course SlayerS, as a respected, established team, couldn't tolerate this because it has rules set on minimum hours of practice each day, so they decided to demote MMA.
If they did so to let him clear his head, or as a punishment we don't really know. All we know is that this is probably the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation and doesn't shine either side in too negative a light. Hopefully the stupid speculation will finally end, and we'll see what MMA brings to the table tonight and at Busan.
On July 25 2012 13:26 Bagration wrote: Did Crank give any details about his own status?
This is where his english really confuses. He kept saying "no team" but we're not sure if that means no team house, because he was playing somewhere else, or if he really meant no team. Once, someone asked him if he's on slayers and he said "no slayers" but take that with a grain of salt
Well, if he doesn't want to train like he's required to, then I guess it's logical for them to demote him.
You can't rely on the skills of someone who doesn't train as expected, particularly if he's your ace, since the captains/star players of any given team must always be on top of everything because they influence the rest of the team a lot.
Good decision, IMO, but when you do this you need to complement it with some sort of effort to get your player back on track, otherwise he'll just get progressively less motivated.
Do you blame the guy? With that kind of multi-tasking/macro ability, you'd assume he'd be able to win long games but yeah at the moment T is anything but that. Just has to go for gimmicky timings.
Crank kept saying "MMA personality good" everytime someone would ask about MMA's situation.
He either meant Crank believes that MMA's mindset was fine when it came to practice (which is why he was upset when MMA was demoted, also rebelling and getting kicked out), or that he meant MMA was fine with his punishment now (personality may be a word for mindset)
On July 25 2012 13:31 cozzE wrote: Do you blame the guy? With that kind of multi-tasking/macro ability, you'd assume he'd be able to win long games but yeah at the moment T is anything but that. Just has to go for gimmicky timings.
Except this isn't true at all. Look at the most successful Terrans right now: Taeja, Byun, Ryung. All play macro-based styles.
It makes sense though, like when I see MMA play, sometimes he seems very disillusioned or stressed. I really hope he doesn't quit sc2 because he was the guy who pulled me in. MMA FAN FOR LIFE!
On July 25 2012 13:36 lisward wrote: It makes sense though, like when I see MMA play, sometimes he seems very disillusioned or stressed. I really hope he doesn't quit sc2 because he was the guy who pulled me in. MMA FAN FOR LIFE!
MMA fan for life!
honestly guys... i watched 90% of his stream today and this seems blown away out of porportion
crank didnt reveal anything... i ffeel like this is a lot of mistranslation
yeah I saw that and since nobody seemed to be talking about it on TL, i decided to make the thread
No I think he linked it because of the first few comments that basically clear up that Crank actually was talking about himself not MMA.
No he talked specifically about either MMA or himself on separate occasions. He himself had not practiced for 10 days, according to him, but he was clearly referring to MMA when he said the "no want to play sc2" thing
On July 25 2012 13:31 cozzE wrote: Do you blame the guy? With that kind of multi-tasking/macro ability, you'd assume he'd be able to win long games but yeah at the moment T is anything but that. Just has to go for gimmicky timings.
Except this isn't true at all. Look at the most successful Terrans right now: Taeja, Byun, Ryung. All play macro-based styles.
MMA was slumping, his poor results had nothing to do with his play style. What you call a 'Macro-based' style has never gone out of fashion.
On July 25 2012 13:30 mordk wrote: Well, if he doesn't want to train like he's required to, then I guess it's logical for them to demote him.
You can't rely on the skills of someone who doesn't train as expected, particularly if he's your ace, since the captains/star players of any given team must always be on top of everything because they influence the rest of the team a lot.
Good decision, IMO, but when you do this you need to complement it with some sort of effort to get your player back on track, otherwise he'll just get progressively less motivated.
Slayers has to consider the value of MMA as an asset though. I dont know the conditions of their contract but im certain there are other teams that would offer him equal or greater compensation for less effort than slayers requires.
On the bright side, no physical altercation or brawling. But on the sad side, MMA losing his passion for the game is bad
If there were ever time to organize a group letter to MMA to show appreciation for him as a great player in SC2, I think it would be now >.< would be a shame to lose such a great player.
Sad mma losing his passion like mvp. Makes sense he wants to join a foreign team since they don't have strict practice schedules and can practice whenever you want.
Do B teamers and A teamers have the same practice regimen? That would be an interesting bit of info, because it could be possible that MMA was demoted to give him an easier practice schedule, but was against being demoted in principle (star player getting demoted? Even if all it means is more lax schedule).
On July 25 2012 13:41 SeeKeR wrote: Son of a gun...
IMO, the reddit thread and this thread are yet again NOT solid evidence T-T...
My friend who watched the stream said that he explicitly said "mma no want to play sc2". I'll try to find it in the VOD but I am 99% sure that this is the right explanation. Besides, does any other scenario make more sense to you?
On July 25 2012 13:44 lichter wrote: Do B teamers and A teamers have the same practice regimen? That would be an interesting bit of info, because it could be possible that MMA was demoted to give him an easier practice schedule, but was against being demoted in principle (star player getting demoted? Even if all it means is more lax schedule).
Still not official info though.
i believe slayers b-teamers don't live in the house?
On July 25 2012 13:41 SeeKeR wrote: Son of a gun...
IMO, the reddit thread and this thread are yet again NOT solid evidence T-T...
My friend who watched the stream said that he explicitly said "mma no want to play sc2". I'll try to find it in the VOD but I am 99% sure that this is the right explanation. Besides, does any other scenario make more sense to you?
On July 25 2012 13:44 lichter wrote: Do B teamers and A teamers have the same practice regimen? That would be an interesting bit of info, because it could be possible that MMA was demoted to give him an easier practice schedule, but was against being demoted in principle (star player getting demoted? Even if all it means is more lax schedule).
Still not official info though.
i believe slayers b-teamers don't live in the house?
On July 25 2012 13:41 SeeKeR wrote: Son of a gun...
IMO, the reddit thread and this thread are yet again NOT solid evidence T-T...
My friend who watched the stream said that he explicitly said "mma no want to play sc2". I'll try to find it in the VOD but I am 99% sure that this is the right explanation. Besides, does any other scenario make more sense to you?
yeah. dat wallet.
I guess we'll find out more during the GSTL finals. Who was it that said MMA was starting? Was it Coca?
On July 25 2012 13:44 lichter wrote: Do B teamers and A teamers have the same practice regimen? That would be an interesting bit of info, because it could be possible that MMA was demoted to give him an easier practice schedule, but was against being demoted in principle (star player getting demoted? Even if all it means is more lax schedule).
Still not official info though.
i believe slayers b-teamers don't live in the house?
On July 25 2012 13:45 MasterKang wrote:
On July 25 2012 13:41 SeeKeR wrote: Son of a gun...
IMO, the reddit thread and this thread are yet again NOT solid evidence T-T...
My friend who watched the stream said that he explicitly said "mma no want to play sc2". I'll try to find it in the VOD but I am 99% sure that this is the right explanation. Besides, does any other scenario make more sense to you?
yeah. dat wallet.
I guess we'll find out more during the GSTL finals. Who was it that said MMA was starting? Was it Coca?
On July 25 2012 13:52 evoli wrote: MMA just won an extremely tough match versus HerO and is starting in the GSTL.
I'd wager his passion is just fine.
I think the passion may have more to do with his willingness to practice.
I remember there was a period during which Stork was playing cell phone games very very late into the night, every night, and his practice wasn't particularly hardcore at all compared to his usual regime. But he still won quite a bit
On July 25 2012 13:52 evoli wrote: MMA just won an extremely tough match versus HerO and is starting in the GSTL.
I'd wager his passion is just fine.
You of all people should know that just playing/winning matches doesn't equal passion for the game since idra has said numerous times he has no passion for the game and hates it, but plays it cause it's his job. Also, MMA looked like someone killed his dog after beating hero.
On July 25 2012 13:52 evoli wrote: MMA just won an extremely tough match versus HerO and is starting in the GSTL.
I'd wager his passion is just fine.
Even if he recently stopped practicin as much, it's not like his skill level would have dropped dramatically. And not wanting to play doesn't mean not playing at all, I'm pretty sure it means playing minimally
If this is true, I think things like this are where poor game design decisions (and possibly rash balance patches due to Kim's positive incentive to be proactive) come back to haunt the community in the long run.
On July 25 2012 13:44 lichter wrote: Do B teamers and A teamers have the same practice regimen? That would be an interesting bit of info, because it could be possible that MMA was demoted to give him an easier practice schedule, but was against being demoted in principle (star player getting demoted? Even if all it means is more lax schedule).
Still not official info though.
i believe slayers b-teamers don't live in the house?
On July 25 2012 13:45 MasterKang wrote:
On July 25 2012 13:41 SeeKeR wrote: Son of a gun...
IMO, the reddit thread and this thread are yet again NOT solid evidence T-T...
My friend who watched the stream said that he explicitly said "mma no want to play sc2". I'll try to find it in the VOD but I am 99% sure that this is the right explanation. Besides, does any other scenario make more sense to you?
yeah. dat wallet.
I guess we'll find out more during the GSTL finals. Who was it that said MMA was starting? Was it Coca?
It's on the liquipedia page as well: if you click on the "show" tab on the slayers-eg vs fx-open final it shows Gumiho vs MMA
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
I doubt it, proberly just a motivation slump, it happens to either winners like him or those who almost made it but lost. MMA does not seem the guy to me to quit just right away, i am sure he's got to deal with his mental state and in no time he will find his form again.
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
Who said anything about quitting?And why make such a big deal out of this?He's human after all.It's hard to stay focused at the same thing month after month,year after year.Specialy at the highest level.I think all he need's is a couple of week's to cool off,then he can come back with full energy and start asskicking again.
Hmm, strange how things seems to have turned upside down so quickly. A month ago he seemed very motivated and straight forward about what he wanted when he was interviewed by Rachel for CSN. "2 years, only game no girls" doesn't sound something someone who lost motivation and just slacks would say.
I wonder if it is because of the patch or if there is something like the team atmosphere not being as great anymore etc that changed it. Hope it turns out good for him soon. :/
what does he think he is, american? this really doesn't bode well for mma in the long run. sure he's really good now and can coast for a while off of what he knows. but sc2 is changing every week and if he doesn't put in the time he's just going to fall off, simple as that
edit: this explanation is also much more simple and believable than any other alternative.. so i accept it
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
Who said anything about quitting?And why make such a big deal out of this?He's human after all.It's hard to stay focused at the same thing month after month,year after year.Specialy at the highest level.I think all he need's is a couple of week's to cool off,then he can come back with full energy and start asskicking again.
This is why I don't think it should be a big deal that he was moved to the B Team. It will give him time to think about his play and his future, and hopefully let him rest up a bit and find his passion again. I guess some people associate being moved to the B Team as a humiliation (it shouldn't be if there is a proper reason, but this is understandable) and that's why MMA was against this.
Also, it's really annoying how some people can turn any thread into balance whine. "omg MMA must be giving up bec of the queen patch buff terran plx". Seriously.
On July 25 2012 14:16 Diamond wrote: Yes let's use a Korean that speaks poor English as an English source while posting no proof of any sort, seems like a great idea!
lets hear what you know then, because this is the only way we have heard more about the situation.
On July 25 2012 14:16 Diamond wrote: Yes let's use a Korean that speaks poor English as an English source while posting no proof of any sort, seems like a great idea!
lets hear what you know then, because this is the only way we have heard more about the situation.
I don't know anything interesting, Crank's English sucks like I mentioned. He's learning but it's still just simple words.
MVP losing his passion, MKP saying he'll quit if he fails in the next code S (obviously meant as a joke) and MMA who "no want to play sc2" anymore .... so much in 24 hours D:
On July 25 2012 14:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: MVP losing his passion, MKP saying he'll quit if he fails in the next code S (obviously meant as a joke) and MMA who "no want to play sc2" anymore .... so much in 24 hours D:
And they all seem to be terran...What a weird coincidence.
Hmm..... Correlation isn't causation they say... Hmm...
Honestly, I don't see why Slayers didn't just tell us this (if it's true) This is not neary as bad as I thought it would be, but it's sill sad if MMA is losing his passion :/
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
Who said anything about quitting?And why make such a big deal out of this?He's human after all.It's hard to stay focused at the same thing month after month,year after year.Specialy at the highest level.I think all he need's is a couple of week's to cool off,then he can come back with full energy and start asskicking again.
This is why I don't think it should be a big deal that he was moved to the B Team. It will give him time to think about his play and his future, and hopefully let him rest up a bit and find his passion again. I guess some people associate being moved to the B Team as a humiliation (it shouldn't be if there is a proper reason, but this is understandable) and that's why MMA was against this.
Also, it's really annoying how some people can turn any thread into balance whine. "omg MMA must be giving up bec of the queen patch buff terran plx". Seriously.
He's human, I am human. I quit because of the balance indecency after 14 years of starcraft. It's plausible that he did too?
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
Who said anything about quitting?And why make such a big deal out of this?He's human after all.It's hard to stay focused at the same thing month after month,year after year.Specialy at the highest level.I think all he need's is a couple of week's to cool off,then he can come back with full energy and start asskicking again.
This is why I don't think it should be a big deal that he was moved to the B Team. It will give him time to think about his play and his future, and hopefully let him rest up a bit and find his passion again. I guess some people associate being moved to the B Team as a humiliation (it shouldn't be if there is a proper reason, but this is understandable) and that's why MMA was against this.
Also, it's really annoying how some people can turn any thread into balance whine. "omg MMA must be giving up bec of the queen patch buff terran plx". Seriously.
He's human, I am human. I quit because of the balance indecency after 14 years of starcraft. It's plausible that he did too?
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
Who said anything about quitting?And why make such a big deal out of this?He's human after all.It's hard to stay focused at the same thing month after month,year after year.Specialy at the highest level.I think all he need's is a couple of week's to cool off,then he can come back with full energy and start asskicking again.
This is why I don't think it should be a big deal that he was moved to the B Team. It will give him time to think about his play and his future, and hopefully let him rest up a bit and find his passion again. I guess some people associate being moved to the B Team as a humiliation (it shouldn't be if there is a proper reason, but this is understandable) and that's why MMA was against this.
Also, it's really annoying how some people can turn any thread into balance whine. "omg MMA must be giving up bec of the queen patch buff terran plx". Seriously.
He's human, I am human. I quit because of the balance indecency after 14 years of starcraft. It's plausible that he did too?
I'm not saying it's not plausible. Balance whine is annoying.
Terran has the darkest time since release, probably going to be even worse when HOTS is live. Also considering KeSPA player s are almost fully focused on SC2 now, the current competition is in such a high level... It's totally understandable that a former great player could feel confusion/depression. Especially for terran players. Now it's already hard enough for one to be outstanding among all the good terrans, it's kind of impossible to be dominating among all the good sc2 players. He must be so frustrated while practicing, the more time you practice, the more times you lose ...
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
Who said anything about quitting?And why make such a big deal out of this?He's human after all.It's hard to stay focused at the same thing month after month,year after year.Specialy at the highest level.I think all he need's is a couple of week's to cool off,then he can come back with full energy and start asskicking again.
This is why I don't think it should be a big deal that he was moved to the B Team. It will give him time to think about his play and his future, and hopefully let him rest up a bit and find his passion again. I guess some people associate being moved to the B Team as a humiliation (it shouldn't be if there is a proper reason, but this is understandable) and that's why MMA was against this.
Also, it's really annoying how some people can turn any thread into balance whine. "omg MMA must be giving up bec of the queen patch buff terran plx". Seriously.
He's human, I am human. I quit because of the balance indecency after 14 years of starcraft. It's plausible that he did too?
Balance changes from month to month, so what your saying is he can only be motivated when terran is on high winrates, and if not he's thinking of retirement after less then a month.
If that was even remotely true (witch i know for a fact will not be) he should retire right away. And you lasted 14 years with that mindset ? I doubt that.
Balance has utterly nothing to do with MMA and motivation.
On July 25 2012 14:32 Kull of Atlantis wrote: In my opinion, this is actually a bigger issue than if would have been (like sex scandal , fight etc.)
A well established progamer in an awesome team, losing his passion is not a good sign for the community and the game.
I actually would prefer a sex scandal or fight...
Yeah, because losing passion is a permanent blight on your reputation, future and police records.
Surprised people think the game or team (EDIT: or even balance hahaha) are the causes of this sort of thing. I mean with MVP he sort of blames his injury as the reason of lost interest, which is fair enough, but at the end of the day it's totally a psychological thing. Why do sports psychologists exist if this wasn't such an enormous problem amongst players already?
This is not to say he has issues, but he's surely not the first great player of a sport to struggle finding enjoyment in what he does.
If the majority of players say the exact same thing then it's an issue. A player good at what he does not enjoying it? Actually surprisingly common.
If this is true anyway. A lot of the Crank stuff is at the very least making connections between words from poor translation.
At this point I'll appreciate any sort of information, because the demotion kept floating around without much to go on. I can see MMA losing passion or interest in the game, but I wonder what might be taking away his attention?
On July 25 2012 14:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: MVP losing his passion, MKP saying he'll quit if he fails in the next code S (obviously meant as a joke) and MMA who "no want to play sc2" anymore .... so much in 24 hours D:
And they all seem to be terran...What a weird coincidence.
Hmm..... Correlation isn't causation they say... Hmm...
MVP is losing motivation because he's in pain when he plays and I doubt anyone would want to continue doing something under those circumstances. I'd have lost my passion ages ago if I were him.
On July 25 2012 14:44 Lysanias wrote: Balance changes from month to month, so what your saying is he can only be motivated when terran is on high winrates, and if not he's thinking of retirement after less then a month.
If that was even remotely true (witch i know for a fact will not be) he should retire right away. And you lasted 14 years with that mindset ? I doubt that.
Balance has utterly nothing to do with MMA and motivation.
Stop speaking for MMA, for all we know balance may have a role to do with his motivation. And it hasn't been a month, I believe its been 2.5 months, maybe more.
On July 25 2012 14:44 Lysanias wrote: Balance changes from month to month, so what your saying is he can only be motivated when terran is on high winrates, and if not he's thinking of retirement after less then a month.
If that was even remotely true (witch i know for a fact will not be) he should retire right away. And you lasted 14 years with that mindset ? I doubt that.
Balance has utterly nothing to do with MMA and motivation.
Stop speaking for MMA, for all we know balance may have a role to do with his motivation. And it hasn't been a month, I believe its been 2.5 months, maybe more.
Sorry i watched broodwar and i don't believe in those easy way's out. Starcraft has never been balanced and never will be. You think 2.5 months are bad ? You have much to learn.
And for all we know balance may have nothing to do with it. But motivation might be a common thing amongst pro's ? Why does it always need a guilty party ? A finger to something you personaly struggle with or do not like to see ?
On July 25 2012 14:44 Lysanias wrote: Balance changes from month to month, so what your saying is he can only be motivated when terran is on high winrates, and if not he's thinking of retirement after less then a month.
If that was even remotely true (witch i know for a fact will not be) he should retire right away. And you lasted 14 years with that mindset ? I doubt that.
Balance has utterly nothing to do with MMA and motivation.
Stop speaking for MMA, for all we know balance may have a role to do with his motivation. And it hasn't been a month, I believe its been 2.5 months, maybe more.
Sorry i watched broodwar and i don't believe in those easy way's out. Starcraft has never been balanced and never will be. You think 2.5 months are bad ? You have much to learn.
And for all we know balance may have nothing to do with it. But motivation might be a common thing amongst pro's ? Why does it always need a guilty party ? A finger to something you personaly struggle with or do not like to see ?
Anyone who loses motivation and feels defeated solely because of balance does not deserve my respect.
MMA doesn't seem like a loser so I doubt he's crying in his corner having nightmares about queen range 5.
On July 25 2012 14:44 Lysanias wrote: Balance changes from month to month, so what your saying is he can only be motivated when terran is on high winrates, and if not he's thinking of retirement after less then a month.
If that was even remotely true (witch i know for a fact will not be) he should retire right away. And you lasted 14 years with that mindset ? I doubt that.
Balance has utterly nothing to do with MMA and motivation.
Stop speaking for MMA, for all we know balance may have a role to do with his motivation. And it hasn't been a month, I believe its been 2.5 months, maybe more.
Sorry i watched broodwar and i don't believe in those easy way's out. Starcraft has never been balanced and never will be. You think 2.5 months are bad ? You have much to learn.
And for all we know balance may have nothing to do with it. But motivation might be a common thing amongst pro's ? Why does it always need a guilty party ? A finger to something you personaly struggle with or do not like to see ?
Anyone who loses motivation and feels defeated solely because of balance does not deserve my respect.
MMA doesn't seem like a loser so I doubt he's crying in his corner having nightmares about queen range 5.
Careful now, you are only alowed to speak for MMA if it's about balance !
Well im not surprised seeing as SC2 is boring as is. Its the same damn thing every single time and if you try doing something different will result in a very severe punishment. Its a very counter intuitive game,,
I can see him being put off by the 8 hours a week practise sessions. No one wants to be a hamster on a wheel.
In other news, it seems like Crank left slayers too. He hasn't played for slayers in a team league in awhile despite being quite a staple in their line-up.
I wouldn't blame any proone for losing interest in SC2.
On July 25 2012 15:16 Ksquared wrote: I'm not to surprised that so many pros are losing their passion. Playing the same game for so long will do that to you.
It depends on the game. SC2 isn't just that fun to play. It also doesn't help that Blizzard is messing around with the balance so often.
That actually make quite alot of sense. In his play against Hero, he just go straight for risky play like hidden CC. It is true recently we have not see crazy mma performance like DRG vs MMA Blizzard cup, or GSTL ace matches. Hopefully we see a return.
On July 25 2012 15:16 Ksquared wrote: I'm not to surprised that so many pros are losing their passion. Playing the same game for so long will do that to you.
Maybe I might start a shit storm, but with regards to BW, the players would normally lose their passion after playing for 5+ years (been following BW for sometime now) mainly due to not being able to perform well. The top players would play for years and years. It seems quite the opposite in SC2 where the top players are losing interest..
On July 25 2012 15:20 Popkiller wrote: I'm combing this VOD, but here is the part they are talking about. So far its the only spot I've seen where he talks about MMA:
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
On July 25 2012 14:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: MVP losing his passion, MKP saying he'll quit if he fails in the next code S (obviously meant as a joke) and MMA who "no want to play sc2" anymore .... so much in 24 hours D:
And they all seem to be terran...What a weird coincidence.
Hmm..... Correlation isn't causation they say... Hmm...
MVP losing his passion comes from where? And MKP speaking in a joking manner, must be a race issue.
Seriously man, are you that shallow? Terran have dominated for quite a while, and these are just a few of those players. Is anyone going to give a shit if Alicia or someone says that they don't care so much for SC2? No, because you look at nothing but race, draw your conclusions, and move on.
Haha, call me crazy, but the couple first time I saw MMA representing SlayerS and won his first championship, he seemed to give out the vibe of FruitDealer. I guess my instinct was right at that time then.
On July 25 2012 15:25 canikizu wrote: Haha, call me crazy, but the couple first time I saw MMA representing SlayerS and won his first championship, he seemed to give out the vibe of FruitDealer. I guess my instinct was right at that time then.
Incoming MMA switching LoL.
You really think that a guy who was noted as the SlayerS golden boy, who was noted for his discipline and focus had the same vibes as a guy who was noted because of his love for parties, drinking and his preference for an easy practice schedule?
Yeah... anyway, it's pretty clear from the Twitch VODs transcription that Crank might not have been referring to MMA at all when he said what he said.
On July 25 2012 13:28 aRyuujin wrote: Crank's twitter was changed Is his the same kind of deal? Hope they regain strength
Terran man run far Soon legs began to tire out Take a break and rest.
Anyway, I think the point is that SlayerS went well MMA if you're not going to practice the correct amount we have no choice to demote you because what kind of example does that set to others in the team? So this way, SlayerS can continue to be as they are, and MMA can slack off and take somewhat of a break from the game.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
It'll revive Starcraft 2 pretty sure, people are bored because they dont want to improve and are not creative enough to put in variety in their gameplay. With hots they get fancy new units which will be more fun I guess. I think the bronze, silver and gold player will come back with the addon. Even for the sake of not missing something in blizzard world.
On July 25 2012 15:16 Ksquared wrote: I'm not to surprised that so many pros are losing their passion. Playing the same game for so long will do that to you.
Maybe I might start a shit storm, but with regards to BW, the players would normally lose their passion after playing for 5+ years (been following BW for sometime now) mainly due to not being able to perform well. The top players would play for years and years. It seems quite the opposite in SC2 where the top players are losing interest..
It is believable that MMA is losing his passion. Lately, at the events, he always had a darker expression on his face. It would make sense that he wants to join a foreign team with less practice hours and crazy foreigner fans to revive his passion again. Sad to hear if he quits.. favorite player Hope he does really well tonight and in the GSTL.
And what's this about Mvp losing his passion too? I thought in the recent OSL interview he said that he's more excited and nervous because of his dream of finally getting to play in the OSL. ;o
On July 25 2012 15:20 Popkiller wrote: I'm combing this VOD, but here is the part they are talking about. So far its the only spot I've seen where he talks about MMA:
On July 25 2012 15:20 Popkiller wrote: I'm combing this VOD, but here is the part they are talking about. So far its the only spot I've seen where he talks about MMA:
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I think these kinda threads need to be closed. The starcraft 2 community is honestly becoming a joke, everytime one of these tmz things come up, you see so many posters saying "sex scandal!" "its probably violence, he beat up XXX" "he did it with jessica and boxer got mad and that's why he got demoted".making stupid jokes about peoples lives, starcraft 2 is suppose to be for entertainment and if you get pleasure from reading this kind of crap, go to perezhilton.com or something we dont need that stuff here. So much immaturity in this community i swear, sometimes i cant even come on teamliquid.net because of this drama that comes up and blows out of proportion and only thing that people want to talk about is about SC2's personal life.
Starcraft 2's community might be the worst community i ever seen, so childish and annoying. Leave MMA's and SlayerS problem to them, no one here knows what is going on with them so dont make assumptions about whats happening. I dont play SC2 but i still want it to grow by watching it and still supporting my favorite teams and players. SC2 isnt gonna grow unless people grow up.
Maybe MMA just needs a nice long vacation after hard climb to Code S and after GSTL finals. I think SKT1 coach gave Bisu some time for vacation when he was in that 2009-2010 slump
seems like crank and mma both got bored and didnt want to practice, wanted break. slayers said no, if you want break, take break away from house. now time has passed crank and mma both are "fine".
they have to play for hours and hours, imagine the grueling grinds.
it actually sounds much more plausible than some bullshitters would rather believe
On July 25 2012 15:50 naux wrote: I think these kinda threads need to be closed. The starcraft 2 community is honestly becoming a joke, everytime one of these tmz things come up, you see so many posters saying "sex scandal!" "its probably violence, he beat up XXX" "he did it with jessica and boxer got mad and that's why he got demoted".making stupid jokes about peoples lives, starcraft 2 is suppose to be for entertainment and if you get pleasure from reading this kind of crap, go to perezhilton.com or something we dont need that stuff here. So much immaturity in this community i swear, sometimes i cant even come on teamliquid.net because of this drama that comes up and blows out of proportion and only thing that people want to talk about is about SC2's personal life.
Starcraft 2's community might be the worst community i ever seen, so childish and annoying. Leave MMA's and SlayerS problem to them, no one here knows what is going on with them so dont make assumptions about whats happening. I dont play SC2 but i still want it to grow by watching it and still supporting my favorite teams and players. SC2 isnt gonna grow unless people grow up.
edit; sorry about bad grammar
I don't know how many gaming communities you've seen but....they're almost all terrible. Truly terrible in every way imaginable.
On July 25 2012 15:50 naux wrote: I think these kinda threads need to be closed. The starcraft 2 community is honestly becoming a joke, everytime one of these tmz things come up, you see so many posters saying "sex scandal!" "its probably violence, he beat up XXX" "he did it with jessica and boxer got mad and that's why he got demoted".making stupid jokes about peoples lives, starcraft 2 is suppose to be for entertainment and if you get pleasure from reading this kind of crap, go to perezhilton.com or something we dont need that stuff here. So much immaturity in this community i swear, sometimes i cant even come on teamliquid.net because of this drama that comes up and blows out of proportion and only thing that people want to talk about is about SC2's personal life.
Starcraft 2's community might be the worst community i ever seen, so childish and annoying. Leave MMA's and SlayerS problem to them, no one here knows what is going on with them so dont make assumptions about whats happening. I dont play SC2 but i still want it to grow by watching it and still supporting my favorite teams and players. SC2 isnt gonna grow unless people grow up.
edit; sorry about bad grammar
It's too bad a post like this will go completely unnoticed, even when so many other people have said the same sort of things. The starcraft community can be amazingly positive on it's good days, it's not all bad. We just have our off days (and to be fair, we've had a few more recently than I'd like), but as a whole I feel like the community is one of the better ones out there. Lots of communities collectively lash out at new players, but the starcraft community embraces every new member it gets, and collectively tries to help people.
I feel like the mods should edit the original post on threads like this to explain what is known, and make it clear anything else is speculation.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
He was referring to Blizzard's employee when, I suppose, you are talking about Ensemble Studio's guys, who made AoE series. They are not the same, dude.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
He was referring to Blizzard's employee when, I suppose, you are talking about Ensemble Studio's guys, who made AoE series. They are not the same, dude.
lol, starcraft is a much bigger and better game than age of empires can ever dream of being
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
He was referring to Blizzard's employee when, I suppose, you are talking about Ensemble Studio's guys, who made AoE series. They are not the same, dude.
lol, starcraft is a much bigger and better game than age of empires can ever dream of being
AoE II was pretty cool man, I think it was the first game I played competitively online
Not wanting to play 10 hours a day?? I can understand that, and if that's the case, a foreign team would suit MMA very well, if he indeed does decide to leave.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
He was referring to Blizzard's employee when, I suppose, you are talking about Ensemble Studio's guys, who made AoE series. They are not the same, dude.
no Rts can match anything like the sc series..., especially sc1.
On July 25 2012 15:56 dynwar7 wrote: So, can someone confirm if what Crank said is about himself or actually about MMA?
Or no one knows for sure because of Crank's english?
see my post page 5
Ah, thanks!
Hm...that's weird, seems that the OP may have been a partial misinterpretation or a specific conclusion drawn from unclear statements...definitely doesn't really bring closure to this whole issue, one would think.
On July 25 2012 14:12 Gosi wrote: Hmm, strange how things seems to have turned upside down so quickly. A month ago he seemed very motivated and straight forward about what he wanted when he was interviewed by Rachel for CSN. "2 years, only game no girls" doesn't sound something someone who lost motivation and just slacks would say.
I wonder if it is because of the patch or if there is something like the team atmosphere not being as great anymore etc that changed it. Hope it turns out good for him soon. :/
Uh, someone saying the bolded statement sounds like they yearn for a bit of a relationship/real life time to me.
A handsome young man stuck in a dorm with other boys all day - Don't have to explain why he'd want to move out to me. While he was winning a lot it was probably enough, but running in the middle of the Code S pack may not be enough to offset his lack of social opportunities. Other older, strong players like Nestea/MVP don't live in the team dorms, I could imagine MMA feeling like he deserves a longer leash.
Hard to bring a girl back home when there are 15 other starcraft gamers running around in their pajamas. You don't have to "lose your passion" to want a little private space/social life.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
On July 25 2012 16:46 Peanutbutter717 wrote: Do premier pro-teams have an off season of any sort? Or something to at least balance playing starcraft with?
The " off season " is December and early January in sc2, I think the Korean pro teams still practice during this time even though GSL takes a break during this time.
On July 25 2012 16:48 darkness wrote: It's the same case with MVP. He has lost passion as well. I don't know if it's because of SC2, but we may see eventually what the reason is.
Mvp has trouble practicing because of his injury, and it affects the quality of his play. His lack of motivation is purely because of his injury. It's completely different.
On July 25 2012 16:48 darkness wrote: It's the same case with MVP. He has lost passion as well. I don't know if it's because of SC2, but we may see eventually what the reason is.
Mvp has trouble practicing because of his injury, and it affects the quality of his play. His lack of motivation is purely because of his injury. It's completely different.
I really cant blame someone who is injured for not being as passionate while injured as he was when he could practice pain-free.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
On July 25 2012 16:48 darkness wrote: It's the same case with MVP. He has lost passion as well. I don't know if it's because of SC2, but we may see eventually what the reason is.
Mvp has trouble practicing because of his injury, and it affects the quality of his play. His lack of motivation is purely because of his injury. It's completely different.
I really cant blame someone who is injured for not being as passionate while injured as he was when he could practice pain-free.
I can understand Mvp's situation because I have also been suffering from injuries. Right now I have a mallet finger in a splint as well as a sprained index finger. I originally stopped playing a long time ago because of two fractured fingers. Being injured just sucks for motivation, and even after the injury, trying to get back after falling far behind (while still hesitant to exert yourself too much because of injury trauma) can be a daunting task.
On July 25 2012 13:36 lisward wrote: It makes sense though, like when I see MMA play, sometimes he seems very disillusioned or stressed. I really hope he doesn't quit sc2 because he was the guy who pulled me in. MMA FAN FOR LIFE!
MMA fan for life!
honestly guys... i watched 90% of his stream today and this seems blown away out of porportion
crank didnt reveal anything... i ffeel like this is a lot of mistranslation
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
It's ok, you joined TL in 2011, you must be young. We'll let it slide.
Pretty sure crank and MMA are in love and staying in same house. he talks about "cheer for MMA today" "Ok fine, MMA and me fine" From the vod at 2:50:20 someone asks "crank + eve = ♥" he responds sarcastically "eve kkkkkkkkkkkkkk" "I like MMA personality +_+"
"I don't play sc2 for 10 days" "rest time" "why you and mma out of the house" "mma and me no comment sorry" - sounds like they are living together atm "mma personality" "veryverygood" "this place secret house" "i can't show my face" he begins to write: "now slayers", but deletes and replaces with "no comment" "I don't play sc2 for 10 days" "I don't want to play sc2" "Now I want to play sc2" "but low level" after someone asks do you not enjoy it? he begins to write "don't funny" and deletes "Now like it" "MMA too" "cheer for MMA today" "Ok fine, MMA and me fine" he reveals a skype convo for a moment it says "no team house" "no team" "I don't want to say anything" "i just want to game" "before i have many stress" "my head so sick" someone talks about his funding for going to ipl - "he is still funded by slayers" Crank corrects "no ipl pay" when asked if he will play gstl finals he begins typing "I don't know" someone asks crank + eve = ♥ he responds sarcastically "eve kkkkkkkkkkkkkk" I like MMA personality +_+ he doesent say much else relevent
It doesn't imply at all that he lost his passion. Just that they are stressed and tired of being in the slayers house. I think he still wants to play sc2 and they are all OK now. As MMA's previous statement, people shoulden't be worried about him, hes fine now, he just didn't like the time in slayers.
For the record most of the stuff in the OP is not what crank actually said, just what he got from it. You can't rely on that info.
On July 25 2012 16:48 darkness wrote: It's the same case with MVP. He has lost passion as well. I don't know if it's because of SC2, but we may see eventually what the reason is.
Apologies for going off topic, but I haven't actually heard anything about this. Anyone know what's up with MVP/has a link to something relevant?
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
You mean one of the best (probably not THE best though) RTS game ever made? And the thing that basically started e-sports going "big" outside of Korea? Probably also RTS with most profit? Imo it turned out just fine.
On July 25 2012 15:56 dynwar7 wrote: So, can someone confirm if what Crank said is about himself or actually about MMA?
Or no one knows for sure because of Crank's english?
see my post page 5
Ah, thanks!
Hm...that's weird, seems that the OP may have been a partial misinterpretation or a specific conclusion drawn from unclear statements...definitely doesn't really bring closure to this whole issue, one would think.
op heard from a friend, not the most reliable interpretation haha
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
I understand that you're angry about SC2 being more successful than Red Alert 2 and CnC and Age of Empires but please, keep it out of this thread.
On July 25 2012 14:12 Gosi wrote: Hmm, strange how things seems to have turned upside down so quickly. A month ago he seemed very motivated and straight forward about what he wanted when he was interviewed by Rachel for CSN. "2 years, only game no girls" doesn't sound something someone who lost motivation and just slacks would say.
I wonder if it is because of the patch or if there is something like the team atmosphere not being as great anymore etc that changed it. Hope it turns out good for him soon. :/
Uh, someone saying the bolded statement sounds like they yearn for a bit of a relationship/real life time to me.
A handsome young man stuck in a dorm with other boys all day - Don't have to explain why he'd want to move out to me. While he was winning a lot it was probably enough, but running in the middle of the Code S pack may not be enough to offset his lack of social opportunities. Other older, strong players like Nestea/MVP don't live in the team dorms, I could imagine MMA feeling like he deserves a longer leash.
Hard to bring a girl back home when there are 15 other starcraft gamers running around in their pajamas. You don't have to "lose your passion" to want a little private space/social life.
The thing is you can not compare teams, specialy not if: 1. MVP/Nestea are cofounders of IM. 2. MVP/Nestea never lived in the IM house, with success they proved they did not need to. 3. Every team had different rules, MMA knew them and signed a contract willingly.
I can't even imagine how hard it must be though to not have a private life, i think you are 100% correct in that. I just don't think you can pull MVP/Nestea situation into this.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
starcraft 2 is way more successful and definitly way more balanced and controlled than other popular rts games. probably top 5 at least.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
starcraft 2 is way more successful and definitly way more balanced and controlled than other popular rts games. probably top 5 at least.
Exactly, for all its issues, SC2 is quite a good game. Have some pride in the eSport that you follow.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Dune2 4Lyfeyo!
OT: How does MMA being demotivated = Problem with SC2. Everyone gets feed up with his job from time to time (yes even your DREAMJOB as a PROGAMER!!!111!!!). Usually you take a holiday, recharge and come back-
Passion returns! Slayers do NOT get rid of MMA, he will return stronger than ever when he sees his rivals win tournaments to adoring fans. Make MMA watch Alicia win an MLG or something.
On July 25 2012 17:52 Micket wrote: Passion returns! Slayers do NOT get rid of MMA, he will return stronger than ever when he sees his rivals win tournaments to adoring fans. Make MMA watch Alicia win an MLG or something.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
Think harder and you'll get what he meant. Its not that hard. Hint: Remember the origins of this site and read your last sentence.
MMA is one of my favourite players and this whole situation is just sad. If he is tired for good just let him pursue is own interests, if its just a momentary thing, I think a better team move would be to keep him in their environment and "nurture him back to health". That would give some respect to what he did for them and would probably increase the team's changes to recover one of their best (if not the best) players.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
Think harder and you'll get what he meant. Its not that hard. Hint: Remember the origins of this site and read your last sentence.
MMA is one of my favourite players and this whole situation is just sad. If he is tired for good just let him pursue is own interests, if its just a momentary thing, I think a better team move would be to keep him in their environment and "nurture him back to health". That would give some respect to what he did for them and would probably increase the team's changes to recover one of their best (if not the best) players.
Please enlighten me. I don't feel like thinking right now.
it can't be due to balance, he was always losing to protoss before, and now his tvp looks amazing. like his 2011 tvz. i just hoped jessica was a better mother.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
Think harder and you'll get what he meant. Its not that hard. Hint: Remember the origins of this site and read your last sentence.
MMA is one of my favourite players and this whole situation is just sad. If he is tired for good just let him pursue is own interests, if its just a momentary thing, I think a better team move would be to keep him in their environment and "nurture him back to health". That would give some respect to what he did for them and would probably increase the team's changes to recover one of their best (if not the best) players.
Please enlighten me. I don't feel like thinking right now.
Yeah...I think Crank was actually talking about himself and not MMA.....and that amkes me think MMA has not lost his passion.
Seriously, Crank cant speak english well, so digest everything you read. I dont think it even says taht MMA lost his passion. Just some people translating it as that.
On July 25 2012 18:12 Vallros wrote: Crank: "MMA good personality" obv sex scandal
OOHHH LOOK!! sexual scandal again!!!! Damn these people must think it is super duper cool to post something sexual related.
After all the stupid stuff in the previous MMA thread, must we have another one filled with sexual scandals?
On July 25 2012 13:58 0neder wrote: If this is true, I think things like this are where poor game design decisions (and possibly rash balance patches due to Kim's positive incentive to be proactive) come back to haunt the community in the long run.
Was waiting for this. And it's even from the guy i expected to post this drivel.
You really take any chance you get to shit on the devs and game, don't you?
It's not like, maybe just maybe, MMA doesn't feel like spending 10+ hours of practise a day (with the risks of CTS and other injuries) is worth it?
Well if MMA was losing his desire to practice 10+ hours a day, maybe a foreign team WOULD be a good next step in his progaming career, assuming a clean break from SlayerS.
Would be a shame to lose such a talented player. 23 isn't that old.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Seriously? You posted here just to hate on SC2? Your worst game ever can be anyone's greatest game. Your greatest game can also be called worst game every by anyone too.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Seriously? You posted here just to hate on SC2? Your worst game ever can be anyone's greatest game. Your greatest game can also be called worst game every by anyone too.
That is exactly what I did here. Someone called SC2 the best game ever made. I deemed it a failure, not the worst but close to be it. Maybe here is not the best place to voice my opinion but, you know, when SC2 fans post something so outrageously ignorant and call it their opinions, I think I get the permission to post my opinion too.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Seriously? You posted here just to hate on SC2? Your worst game ever can be anyone's greatest game. Your greatest game can also be called worst game every by anyone too.
That is exactly what I did here. Someone called SC2 the best game ever made. I deemed it a failure, not the worst but close to be it. Maybe here is not the best place to voice my opinion but, you know, when SC2 fans post something so outrageously ignorant and call it their opinions, I think I get the permission to post my opinion too.
The problem is, as members of the Starcraft community, we are forced to play the game Blizzard has given us no matter how bad it is, at least until it is fixed with patches/expansion. For pro gamers, it's their job.
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Seriously? You posted here just to hate on SC2? Your worst game ever can be anyone's greatest game. Your greatest game can also be called worst game every by anyone too.
That is exactly what I did here. Someone called SC2 the best game ever made. I deemed it a failure, not the worst but close to be it. Maybe here is not the best place to voice my opinion but, you know, when SC2 fans post something so outrageously ignorant and call it their opinions, I think I get the permission to post my opinion too.
It's SC2 forum. You can praise BW all day in BW forum and I don't think SC2 fans here care about it. They have the right to do the same in SC2 thread. Calling other people ignorant just because they like the game you hate make you look bad.
On July 25 2012 15:25 Telcontar wrote: [quote] Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Seriously? You posted here just to hate on SC2? Your worst game ever can be anyone's greatest game. Your greatest game can also be called worst game every by anyone too.
That is exactly what I did here. Someone called SC2 the best game ever made. I deemed it a failure, not the worst but close to be it. Maybe here is not the best place to voice my opinion but, you know, when SC2 fans post something so outrageously ignorant and call it their opinions, I think I get the permission to post my opinion too.
It's SC2 forum. You can praise BW all day and I don't think SC2 fans here care about it. They have the right to do the same in SC2 thread. Calling other people ignorant just because they like the game you hate make you look bad.
Don't bother to answer him guys. I've already reported him. Mods may take care of him and his off-topic. ^^
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Great man, awesome. I'm not sure if youre being condescending by pointing out the BW forum in that way, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in that you actually think I'm a dumbass (im not a dumbass btw)
Oh and its cool that you love BW so much that you come here to the SC2 forums just to hate on everyone here. You still haven't explain how all this makes SC2 "the worst RTS ever". And please identify those 2 or 3 games that so graciously saved SC2 from hitting rock bottom. And finally, I don't know why you even mentioned money and sales here. I don't think any of us in that conversation ever mentioned it, so I can only imagine you were just itching to pull out the Twilight-Godfather comparison and saw this as your opportunity.
Really though, if all youre gonna do is hate on a great game in hyperbolic fashion, can you just leave us alone?
On July 25 2012 18:57 Zealously wrote: If he was lacking in passion before his match vs. Violet, it must have returned. He looked good, and he looked pretty happy.
Indeed. good play except for that bad tank-on-top-of-depot in the 2nd game and smiles, none of the sad-anger that he showed in the wins vs Hero.
On July 25 2012 15:25 Telcontar wrote: [quote] Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Seriously? You posted here just to hate on SC2? Your worst game ever can be anyone's greatest game. Your greatest game can also be called worst game every by anyone too.
That is exactly what I did here. Someone called SC2 the best game ever made. I deemed it a failure, not the worst but close to be it. Maybe here is not the best place to voice my opinion but, you know, when SC2 fans post something so outrageously ignorant and call it their opinions, I think I get the permission to post my opinion too.
It's SC2 forum. You can praise BW all day and I don't think SC2 fans here care about it. They have the right to do the same in SC2 thread. Calling other people ignorant just because they like the game you hate make you look bad.
Well before I am banned because of whatever reason, allow me to respond for you first. So the guy posted something along the line of "SC2 is the best game ever made" though vaguely. I think he was referring to AoE because he mentioned something about expansion. Clearly I think that BW is the best, but it doesn't matter anyways. Someone took what the first guy said as reference to Blizzard and their games and I just came out to correct him, hence my first post. So I'm not here to hate on SC2. I don't hate a game. It is bad, but I don't hate it nor do I like it for obvious reason. I just evaluate it unfavorably. The development ensuing that you can see yourself by following the trace of posts.
And yes I do think the first guys is ignorant. He came here claiming that SC2 is the best ever made while he doesn't even know of BW, a game was developed by the same company that made SC2 and has been consistently considering the best ever by many people. You don't think that is ignorance? I mean he doesn't know even a handful of classic games and he was actually announcing the best game ever. Well for me that is quite ignorant.
And btw AoE has a competitive scene. It still has today, even when BW is slowly fading away. So I think SC2 has a long gap to close before it is considered even close to AoE in term of e-sport heritage.
can people shut up about BW vs SC2? Seriously? This is a thread about Crank and Slayers and MMA.
Just.....wow..
Are you gonna come to every topic and spam how BW is better etc.?
On topic, I still dont believe MMa lost his passion. Maybe a misunderstanding in translation, and also watching him 2-1 violet was really good especially with his smile at in the end
On July 25 2012 15:22 OpTiKDream wrote: hots will spark everyone's interest again
Not so sure about that. Everyone expects it to revitalise SC2, but from what I've seen so far, I'm not convinced. After all, it's the same guys who made WoL.
Im not really worried that the guys who made what is probably the best RTS ever (though they did have a good template to work off of) can deliver an expansion pack thatll be good.
I'm confused. Are you referring to WoL as the best RTS ever? If so, that's ridiculous. If you mean BW, very few people remain from those who created that. And if you think having BW as a template is a sure sign of success, just look at how WoL turned out.
I was very intentinoally referring to sc2 because I have no idea who is still on that team from BW nor did it really matter that much.
Wait a minute you were actually referring to SC2??? Best RTS ever?? I think they did a good job competing for the worst RTS ever slot. Unfortunately, there are 2 or 3 game that were worse than SC2. But it is close, very close.
Errmahgerdd, youre so cool for hating on SC2! Youre so above it all, I wish I could be as cool as you because disliking a popular thing obviously means youre better than it making you super cool!!
....Seriously? SC2 is a great game. I don't know what makes you think it's the worst. Or why youre here on a forum that deals primarily with BW and SC2 for that matter if you think that SC2 is the worst RTS game.
There was a BW section when I joined (still up now btw). And for now I also regularly read the DotA sub-forum. So that is to answer your question.
On another topic, sorry if my posts have been vague so far. I was obviously considering BW as the best RTS ever made. SC2 wasn't even close it is funny. Anyways, SC2 is successful in selling and making money, I admit that. However that doesn't make it a great game, much less the best ever made. If that logic is true, where should we put the Twilight in the Hall of Fame for greatest movies ever made. I believe you should put it over The Godfather, or even top the list maybe.
Great man, awesome. I'm not sure if youre being condescending by pointing out the BW forum in that way, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in that you actually think I'm a dumbass (im not a dumbass btw)
Oh and its cool that you love BW so much that you come here to the SC2 forums just to hate on everyone here. You still haven't explain how all this makes SC2 "the worst RTS ever". And please identify those 2 or 3 games that so graciously saved SC2 from hitting rock bottom. And finally, I don't know why you even mentioned money and sales here. I don't think any of us in that conversation ever mentioned it, so I can only imagine you were just itching to pull out the Twilight-Godfather comparison and saw this as your opportunity.
Really though, if all youre gonna do is hate on a great game in hyperbolic fashion, can you just leave us alone?
You need to read Ammanas's and Denzil's and X3's posts.
On July 25 2012 18:29 Ryhzuo wrote: Well if MMA was losing his desire to practice 10+ hours a day, maybe a foreign team WOULD be a good next step in his progaming career, assuming a clean break from SlayerS.
Would be a shame to lose such a talented player. 23 isn't that old.
He is the second oldest champion (after NesTea ofcourse)
On July 25 2012 18:29 Ryhzuo wrote: Well if MMA was losing his desire to practice 10+ hours a day, maybe a foreign team WOULD be a good next step in his progaming career, assuming a clean break from SlayerS.
Would be a shame to lose such a talented player. 23 isn't that old.
He is the second oldest champion (after NesTea ofcourse)
All the more reason to keep that passion alive until he wins the Nestea award!!!
I hope with MMA's qualification for Code S and his starter role for SlayerS in GSTL, that it was a conflict between him SlayerS that was discussed and settled in private between both parties and that everything returns back to normal.
I am surprised this thread is open. OP, find where he specifically says that MMA doesn't want to play because so far, there have only been screenshots of Crank saying that he himself does not want to play so far. There has been no evidence posted so far supporting what you said. Maybe you are right and he did say that, but posts like these are pointless without proof and are essentially just speculation.
How is your condition and your cervical discs in particular?
I need to get treatment for the cervical discs but I postponed it because of Code A. Also, it's been a while since I lost interest in the game. The illness seems to have made it hard for me to enjoy the game and as a result, I've gotten worse.
On July 25 2012 19:18 S_SienZ wrote: Seems odd that SlayerS would opt to play him first in the GSTL finals then.
Is that even confirmed?
Well JYP mentioned it in his Code A interview, and that's as confirmed as it can get at this point as I don't believe starters are officially confirmed this early.
On July 25 2012 19:18 S_SienZ wrote: Seems odd that SlayerS would opt to play him first in the GSTL finals then.
Is that even confirmed?
Well JYP mentioned it in his Code A interview, and that's as confirmed as it can get at this point as I don't believe starters are officially confirmed this early.
they are confirmed a few days in advance, we already have confirmation from thisisgame =]
not easy to be a progamer. a lot of effort and endless hours of practise. korean progamers that is, if you join a foreign team you can slack off more and get paid more
On July 25 2012 22:19 aintz wrote: not easy to be a progamer. a lot of effort and endless hours of practise. korean progamers that is, if you join a foreign team you can slack off more and get paid more
makes me sad progaming is not more mainstream. pretty sure progamers might even put in as much time/dedication as, say, top tennis players or something. and tennis players win millions with each tournament haha. maybe in time =]
On July 25 2012 13:27 warcralft wrote: Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little
User was warned for this post
yeah, why does teamliquid warn people for such post ?
Sorry, but it's not even offense... :/
Anyway, I think people should stop caring so much - I guess he(MMA) has his reasons.
On July 25 2012 13:27 warcralft wrote: Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little
User was warned for this post
yeah, why does teamliquid warn people for such post ?
Sorry, but it's not even offense... :/
Because if TL didn't do that, each and every thread would become a balance whine.
On July 25 2012 13:27 warcralft wrote: Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little
User was warned for this post
yeah, why does teamliquid warn people for such post ?
Sorry, but it's not even offense... :/
Because if TL didn't do that, each and every thread would become a balance whine.
Can't blame him for not wanting to play a game for over 8 hours a day nearly everyday. It's very unhealthy for the mind and body, best of wishes to MMA.
On July 25 2012 23:16 Sovern wrote: Can't blame him for not wanting to play a game for over 8 hours a day nearly everyday. It's very unhealthy for the mind and body, best of wishes to MMA.
It could be more 8 hours per day but they're professional level so i think that's not a problem for them.
On July 25 2012 23:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Lost his passion T_T that's worst than I thought
My thoughts exactly, I'd rather it'd been something mad like he'd tried to knife Boxer. Anything but losing his passion, I don't give a shit if MVP doesn't care anymore but not MMA D:
Thinking about it that'd be way better because demoting him to the B team would then become a genuinely hilarious reaction.
On July 25 2012 13:27 warcralft wrote: Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little
User was warned for this post
yeah, why does teamliquid warn people for such post ?
Sorry, but it's not even offense... :/
Because if TL didn't do that, each and every thread would become a balance whine.
It's also incorrect balance whine at that, I don't believe Terran was affected by the previous patch.
On July 25 2012 23:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Lost his passion T_T that's worst than I thought
My thoughts exactly, I'd rather it'd been something mad like he'd tried to knife Boxer. Anything but losing his passion, I don't give a shit if MVP doesn't care anymore but not MMA D:
Thinking about it that'd be way better because demoting him to the B team would then become a genuinely hilarious reaction.
wtf knife boxer o.O that would be something you get arrested for, not b-teamed
On July 25 2012 23:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Lost his passion T_T that's worst than I thought
My thoughts exactly, I'd rather it'd been something mad like he'd tried to knife Boxer. Anything but losing his passion, I don't give a shit if MVP doesn't care anymore but not MMA D:
Thinking about it that'd be way better because demoting him to the B team would then become a genuinely hilarious reaction.
People who seriously think that [insert actual physical offense here] is better than losing passion need a smack in the head =/ You might be joking but there have been many other posts stating the same thing.
On July 25 2012 13:27 warcralft wrote: Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little
User was warned for this post
yeah, why does teamliquid warn people for such post ?
Sorry, but it's not even offense... :/
Because if TL didn't do that, each and every thread would become a balance whine.
It's also incorrect balance whine at that, I don't believe Terran was affected by the previous patch.
When you look at the race numbers for Code S and Up/Downs next season, there are more Terran than Toss or Zerg by a noticeable margin.
I dont blame him for loseing his passion. His TvP never was really good, his TvT has gotten worse than earlier but still good. TvZ though, terran got tons of problems in this matchup and it was the matchup he was know for, the one where he crushed his oponents by out multitasking them.
On July 25 2012 23:30 Phays wrote: I dont blame him for loseing his passion. His TvP never was really good, his TvT has gotten worse than earlier but still good. TvZ though, terran got tons of problems in this matchup and it was the matchup he was know for, the one where he crushed his oponents by out multitasking them.
MMA HWAITING
nah Hero and MC said hes a beast PvT'er in practice
On July 25 2012 13:27 warcralft wrote: Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little
User was warned for this post
yeah, why does teamliquid warn people for such post ?
Sorry, but it's not even offense... :/
Anyway, I think people should stop caring so much - I guess he(MMA) has his reasons.
psst, terran didnt get nerfed. and even if it did baseless speculation just sounds like a balance whine.
On July 25 2012 23:37 opterown wrote: thread close?
since there's nothing else to say in this thread, i must comment on the fact that i have been reading your TL name for the past few months as ottertown. Like, a town filled with otters. I am just now noticing that it is opterown. lol...
On July 25 2012 23:37 opterown wrote: thread close?
since there's nothing else to say in this thread, i must comment on the fact that i have been reading your TL name for the past few months as ottertown. Like, a town filled with otters. I am just now noticing that it is opterown. lol...
Oh snap. Thank god, I was worried MMA had lost his passion. After seeing him play tonight, that would have been nearly as depressing as Mvp losing his passion.
On July 25 2012 14:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: MVP losing his passion, MKP saying he'll quit if he fails in the next code S (obviously meant as a joke) and MMA who "no want to play sc2" anymore .... so much in 24 hours D:
Terran is in a miserable situation after numerous nerfs, and the Terrans are all despairing. The top Terrans are seemingly losing their passion. This is heartbreaking. How could you let this happen Blizzard?
You mean besides all the top tier terrans relizing oh wait it is not that bad?
On July 25 2012 14:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: MVP losing his passion, MKP saying he'll quit if he fails in the next code S (obviously meant as a joke) and MMA who "no want to play sc2" anymore .... so much in 24 hours D:
Terran is in a miserable situation after numerous nerfs, and the Terrans are all despairing. The top Terrans are seemingly losing their passion. This is heartbreaking. How could you let this happen Blizzard?
MVP is losing his passion becuz of his wrist injury, MKP is boasting about his skills, he will definitly not retire..., MMA-case was a misinformation from crank's part.
On July 25 2012 14:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: MVP losing his passion, MKP saying he'll quit if he fails in the next code S (obviously meant as a joke) and MMA who "no want to play sc2" anymore .... so much in 24 hours D:
Terran is in a miserable situation after numerous nerfs, and the Terrans are all despairing. The top Terrans are seemingly losing their passion. This is heartbreaking. How could you let this happen Blizzard?
Yeah Teaja has been feeling really miserable and heartbroken lately, poor guy.
On July 25 2012 13:30 mordk wrote: You can't rely on the skills of someone who doesn't train as expected, particularly if he's your ace
Well than strip him of his ace status. B-team is rather radical for me. As long as his play is A-team he deserves it no matter how much he practices.
A-team status = Team house for SlayerS. If you're not as passionate and are just sitting out your current contract why should you get a slot that could have been given to another dedicated player who would contribute more than you in the long run?
lol indeed - glad it's not him giving in to "T is in such a horrible position blah." but instead just the usual whining.
Hope he can bounce back in a strong fashion and Slayers will give us clear info on what the heck is going on so massive speculation threads like this can be a thing of the past
On July 25 2012 23:59 TirramirooO wrote: Man what a movie.. If they dont post the reasons yet, why are people talking about stuff they dont know? You only make things get even worse :|
That's what you get for taking what a Korean progamer with novice english skills says on his stream too seriously or out of context. Glad it got cleared up.
On July 26 2012 00:09 Zealously wrote: That's what you get for taking what a Korean progamer with novice english skills says on his stream too seriously or out of context. Glad it got cleared up.
Yes. I'm glad our false knowns are now known so that we know our unknowns.
crank possibly saw that his input on the stream made a big fuss on team liquid about mma and he changed his statements in order not to be accused of giving out inside information about slayers. That's why he is reluctant to make any comments about the slayers situation
On July 26 2012 00:27 Manimal_pro wrote: crank possibly saw that his input on the stream made a big fuss on team liquid about mma and he changed his statements in order not to be accused of giving out inside information about slayers. That's why he is reluctant to make any comments about the slayers situation
Yea and Blizzard puts on the really expensive items on the RMAH in Diablo 3 and hacks the accounts which bought them ,to resell them again. I hope your post was as trollish as my sentence because if not I would need to reply "Wtf, are you out of mind!?" Thanks for clearing this situation up. Still waitinf for some official (and professional) statement from SlayerS.
Slayers has so many drama threads always. They really need to improve their PR department. When something like this happens, a Slayers representative like Cella should try to explain the situation and not let it get out of hands like this because it hurts the slayers brand more than when they just would be open and explain.
It's kind of like those situations where someone is falsely accused of a pedophile.. Now I will forever associate MMA's demotion to B team with a dirty relationship with SlayersEve and a lack of passion... even I though I know they are all speculation. What's the next speculation? That MMA was part of the 111 conspiracy?
On July 26 2012 00:36 Zandar wrote: Slayers has so many drama threads always. They really need to improve their PR department. When something like this happens, a Slayers representative like Cella should try to explain the situation and not let it get out of hands like this because it hurts the slayers brand more than when they just would be open and explain.
They should try to spin it in their favor and make MMA the resident hotshot loose cannon badass of the team, he could change his name to SlayerS_TuckerMMAx. Rumor has it he beat up MKP, stole his wallet and hooked up with the entire FXO B-team.
So after the mod edit, sounds like Crank is just burnt out on the game which happens to everyone. I am sure slayers has some intense practice demands. I don't think we will know about the mma situation until the coaches or boxer or mma come out and tell us what is going on. I feel like slayers is really embrassed by the whole situation and thats why they don't want it to come out. So credit to slayers, because the community witch hunters haven't dug out anything on this yet, and our with hunters are pretty good at what they do.
On July 25 2012 23:18 SarcasmMonster wrote: Lost his passion T_T that's worst than I thought
My thoughts exactly, I'd rather it'd been something mad like he'd tried to knife Boxer. Anything but losing his passion, I don't give a shit if MVP doesn't care anymore but not MMA D:
Thinking about it that'd be way better because demoting him to the B team would then become a genuinely hilarious reaction.
People who seriously think that [insert actual physical offense here] is better than losing passion need a smack in the head =/ You might be joking but there have been many other posts stating the same thing.
On July 25 2012 13:27 warcralft wrote: Most probably he cant stand losing so much after the terran nerf. I guess its good to let him cool down a little
User was warned for this post
yeah, why does teamliquid warn people for such post ?
Sorry, but it's not even offense... :/
Because if TL didn't do that, each and every thread would become a balance whine.
It's also incorrect balance whine at that, I don't believe Terran was affected by the previous patch.
When you look at the race numbers for Code S and Up/Downs next season, there are more Terran than Toss or Zerg by a noticeable margin.
Obviously kidding yeah man woah. I think the real reason for the demotion is evident to everyone with a full grasp of the uninformed speculations facts. MMA is pregnant. And it's Jessica's.
Also I shake my head sadly at all those saying he's just fed up with losing because terran is UP...it's just pathetic. Oh noes two months of terran not being in every top 3. I mean, I don't hold with the idea that terran 'deserves' to be underpowered for a bit because it was overpowered before (ages ago), but have some fucking back bone about it. How about 'I think there's a problem that needs to be solved, here is why' rather than 'OH GOD EVERYTHING IS FUCKED I'M GOING TO STOP WATCHING TOURNAMENTS ALL TERRANS SHOULD JUST QUIT' in every other thread.
Check out MMA's interview after qualifying for Code S. There's no big scandal. I'm sure TL posters are disappointed to hear this after all the crazy speculation they've made in the MMA thread. "sex scandal", "physical assault scandal", "crazy jessica at it again."
MMA was just feeling shitty because he was losing all his games in practice and tournaments. SlayerS sent him home for a week or two like some BW teams have done before. MMA probably didn't accept that initially but it sounds like it's working out for him if you read the interview.
On July 26 2012 02:17 blamekilly wrote: Check out MMA's interview after qualifying for Code S. There's no big scandal. I'm sure TL posters are disappointed to hear this after all the crazy speculation they've made in the MMA thread. "sex scandal", "physical assault scandal", "crazy jessica at it again."
MMA was just feeling shitty because he was losing all his games in practice and tournaments. SlayerS sent him home for a week or two like some BW teams have done before. MMA probably didn't accept that initially but it sounds like it's working out for him if you read the interview.
But but but........ sex scandal and physical assault is so much juicier
On July 26 2012 02:33 xodarap wrote: this is why reddit and twitter shouldn't be considered news sources
I'm sure you feel cool as hell attributing the fault to reddit so quickly, but when this was posted there it was quickly downvoted and never saw the front page due to not having proof. Only here were the readers so quick to believe the OP despite there being no evidence.
Classic example of the language barrier causing a miscommunication between the Korean and foreigner scenes. This is about the 10th time it has happened. You'd think people would be intelligent enough to learn the lesson but I guess the urge to create a popular thread with your big news is too great.
MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
It seemed weird to me to read that MMA would have "lost his passion" after I have seen him play in the GSL... Are you kidding me ?! You can't play like that if you lost your passion for the game lol, MMA is still a modele for terrans all around the world !
Don't care about the thing, as long as MMA plays ! <3
edit/ After the games of today, this is immediately what went through my mind if I want to describe MMA's play
On July 26 2012 02:51 ILuMiNaTe wrote: lol.. queen patch happens.
Both Mvp and MMA lose passion for game.
coincidence?
I think not
MVP's issue is mainly with his wrists. I mean if you start to hurt after practicing several games, you probably wouldn't feel like playing much either. I think he is frustrated more than anything.
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
Then retire. Don't whine. Lol rather quit with dignity than act like a pussy.
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
I guess Xephos thinks they get paid well in relation to how much they practice and that quitting is banned or something. He can do whatever he wants. He isn't a toy for our amusement.
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
I guess Xephos thinks they get paid well in relation to how much they practice and that quitting is banned or something. He can do whatever he wants. He isn't a toy for our amusement.
Person A has a job.
And that job placement entails that tasks must be done according to the need of its employers.
Person A chooses to NOT follow the instructions given by aforementioned management staff.
Employers are definitely not happy with his attitude.
Person A gets punished for it.
Nobody should be surprised.
Assuming that you want to keep the current job. If the boss tells you to fax that paper, you go ahead and go to the photocopy room. If your boss tell you to wack some guy, you go get your baseball bat. If the boss tells you to work the extra shift, you don't say "Oh gee I don't want to." and expect to have no chastisement!
Beside this is an so called 'sport' environment. Entertain us is pretty much the primary goal these guys are trying to achieve.
Should just really love poor guys alone, if Slayers want you to know WHY MMA got demoted, they will tell - if not, you shouldn't freaking care about it, its their decision. it's most likely with a very good reason why, but no need to guess the reasoning behind it.
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
Then retire. Don't whine. Lol rather quit with dignity than act like a pussy.
because everyone is supposed to act like this. get a grip come on
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
Then retire. Don't whine. Lol rather quit with dignity than act like a pussy.
because everyone is supposed to act like this. get a grip come on
because everyone want to be lazy ass bastard and still expect respect. come on man, grow some.
in which form did crank give that comment? and in what form was he contacted by a mod? Did jessica translate that for him, or did the mod talk in korean and translate it?
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
Then retire. Don't whine. Lol rather quit with dignity than act like a pussy.
because everyone is supposed to act like this. get a grip come on
because everyone want to be lazy ass bastard and still expect respect. come on man, grow some.
he can be lazy and all but he is still posting results. is that not good enough?(MMA not crank)
On July 26 2012 05:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: in which form did crank give that comment? and in what form was he contacted by a mod? Did jessica translate that for him, or did the mod talk in korean and translate it?
We contacted him this morning and spoke to him in Korean ourselves to clear up the confusion.
I'm thinking that the reason slayers management reacted this way is because they thought that perhaps MMA was saying all this so he could end his contract and then sign up with a foreign team? Isn't this what happened with Dragon a while back?
MMA: While I was staying at home my parents were really worried me, and Korean and foreigns fans alike are all also worried about me. I want to thank my fans once again and want them to know that I am thinking positively now because I learned how precious my fans truly are. From here on out, I will show you guys an MMA who is living better and working harder.
On July 26 2012 04:31 YourBestFriend wrote: may i ask why you warn this guy cus he said tvz is unbalnced lol it is
I will ignore your bad grammar. But if you look at recent tournaments zergs aren't doing as good as they should if they are so OP. Terrans have been able to adjust already. In fact MMA did beat Violet 2-0!
On July 26 2012 04:31 YourBestFriend wrote: may i ask why you warn this guy cus he said tvz is unbalnced lol it is
I will ignore your bad grammar. But if you look at recent tournaments zergs aren't doing as good as they should if they are so OP. Terrans have been able to adjust already. In fact MMA did beat Violet 2-0!
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
Then retire. Don't whine. Lol rather quit with dignity than act like a pussy.
because everyone is supposed to act like this. get a grip come on
because everyone want to be lazy ass bastard and still expect respect. come on man, grow some.
You mean "grow some" as in "become an unconditionally submissive spineless tool without a will of his own"?
If you're not trolling, you have serious authority issues.
On July 26 2012 04:31 YourBestFriend wrote: may i ask why you warn this guy cus he said tvz is unbalnced lol it is
I will ignore your bad grammar. But if you look at recent tournaments zergs aren't doing as good as they should if they are so OP. Terrans have been able to adjust already. In fact MMA did beat Violet 2-0!
If you're going to correct someone at least check your facts. It was 2-1 not 2-0.
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
Then retire. Don't whine. Lol rather quit with dignity than act like a pussy.
because everyone is supposed to act like this. get a grip come on
because everyone want to be lazy ass bastard and still expect respect. come on man, grow some.
You mean "grow some" as in "become an unconditionally submissive spineless tool without a will of his own"?
If you're not trolling, you have serious authority issues.
Why don't you go refuse to demands by your boss and write a report about what happened.
On July 26 2012 04:31 YourBestFriend wrote: may i ask why you warn this guy cus he said tvz is unbalnced lol it is
I will ignore your bad grammar. But if you look at recent tournaments zergs aren't doing as good as they should if they are so OP. Terrans have been able to adjust already. In fact MMA did beat Violet 2-0!
How about you use spoiler tags the day after the match...
On July 26 2012 04:31 YourBestFriend wrote: may i ask why you warn this guy cus he said tvz is unbalnced lol it is
I will ignore your bad grammar. But if you look at recent tournaments zergs aren't doing as good as they should if they are so OP. Terrans have been able to adjust already. In fact MMA did beat Violet 2-0!
How about you use spoiler tags the day after the match...
You shouldn't log onto one of the premier SC2 professional gaming websites and not expect results to be shown. ESPECIALLY in a thread pertaining to someone involved in matches you are trying to avoid having spoiled. It's common sense that people would bring his results in here..
On July 26 2012 02:51 Xiphos wrote: MMA(Or Crank?) needs to stop whinning and keep on practicing. Seriously, what part of 'pro' in 'progaming' that didn't get into his head. It is a job and even if you hate it, you still suck it up no matter what.
I'm with HIM on this one.
maybe after playing it all this time he feels it's not right for them? duh
Then retire. Don't whine. Lol rather quit with dignity than act like a pussy.
On July 25 2012 13:58 AMaidensWrath wrote: I'm really interested to see what's going to happen next~ I hope MMA won't quit.
Who said anything about quitting?And why make such a big deal out of this?He's human after all.It's hard to stay focused at the same thing month after month,year after year.Specialy at the highest level.I think all he need's is a couple of week's to cool off,then he can come back with full energy and start asskicking again.
This is why I don't think it should be a big deal that he was moved to the B Team. It will give him time to think about his play and his future, and hopefully let him rest up a bit and find his passion again. I guess some people associate being moved to the B Team as a humiliation (it shouldn't be if there is a proper reason, but this is understandable) and that's why MMA was against this.
Also, it's really annoying how some people can turn any thread into balance whine. "omg MMA must be giving up bec of the queen patch buff terran plx". Seriously.
He's human, I am human. I quit because of the balance indecency after 14 years of starcraft. It's plausible that he did too?
You don't play SC2 for a living though.
Not quite a living, I do make a decent amount coaching players, did.
EPT
He was one of my favorites to watch (and meet in real life!).
(after NesTea ofcourse)
