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Please stop with the jokes/posts that speculate something sexual or scandalous is at play here. They do not contribute to discussion and are generally of very poor taste.
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
July 18 2012 08:46 GMT
#1361
Hmm guess well see in about half an hour what MMA is going to be dressed in
I'm looking forward to this
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 08:57:03
July 18 2012 08:50 GMT
#1362
On July 18 2012 17:45 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 17:40 lichter wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:
That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.


Just give up Bagy, arguing with him is fruitless T_T


Alas, as a Slayers and MMA fan (big one at that), I feel somewhat obligated to try to stop another senseless community witchhunt, especially if it is directed toward a team that I like.

If there is one thing that I have learned from politics, it is that a lie or whatever ignorant rhetoric, if repeated long enough and is not refuted, can become logical to the masses after time.


Edit: It's kinda disappointing how groups of otherwise interesting, good natured people become a mindless blob so easily. I don't have the e-stamina to keep arguing on the internet though. Good luck with your efforts :p

I actually don't like SlayerS (except YuGiOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and Boxer obvs) nor MMA (for some reason I've always found him antagonistic?) but I am so annoyed when this community goes apeshit like in this thread, and random forum posters make up all sorts of insane accusations and hypothetical scenarios and blow everything way out of proportion. I may not like either party but I really want them to resolve this properly and for everyone to just chill the fuck out
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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
July 18 2012 08:52 GMT
#1363
On July 18 2012 17:39 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:29 dsousa wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:

Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.

1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.

They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.






I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out.


Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true.

They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so.

You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move.

Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this.


Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions.

The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion.

That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined.

MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.


We can conclude that Slayers set out to hurt MMA's reputation, confidence and practice regime two days before his code A matches.

That's plenty of information right there as to what type of "team" Slayers is.

*Note: that I wrote this is a very calm fashion




That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.


Did they not kick a two time GSL champion out of the house and issue a press release about it 2 days before his GSL matches? Witches are fictional..... what Slayers did to MMA is fact.




You can't say that without knowing the details surrounding the punishment, which is unavailable. If MMA deserved punishment, SlayerS handled themselves correctly by not delaying punishment. Such favoritism would have sent a terrible message. You shouldn't be able to get away with punishment just because you are famous or a good player.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 18 2012 08:52 GMT
#1364
On July 18 2012 17:39 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:29 dsousa wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:

Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.

1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.

They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.






I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out.


Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true.

They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so.

You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move.

Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this.


Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions.

The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion.

That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined.

MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.


We can conclude that Slayers set out to hurt MMA's reputation, confidence and practice regime two days before his code A matches.

That's plenty of information right there as to what type of "team" Slayers is.

*Note: that I wrote this is a very calm fashion




That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.


Did they not kick a two time GSL champion out of the house and issue a press release about it 2 days before his GSL matches? Witches are fictional..... what Slayers did to MMA is fact.




Honestly, I can't tell if you're trolling at this point, that's literally how dumb you sound.

There are NUMEROUS reasons why MMA would be punished besides performance issues or some ridiculous and unjustified assumption of "malicious intent" on behalf of SlayerS. We just have to wait and see instead of certain people displaying this utterly stupid witch hunt mentality. I really like MMA and I really like SlayerS, so I'm personally just hoping everything works out amicably. Not sure why anyone would get out the pitchforks against MMA or SlayerS at this point because we don't know anything other than that MMA is being punished and is really upset about it. If/when more details are released, then maybe you can evaluate the situation for yourself and form an informed opinion about it.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
July 18 2012 08:53 GMT
#1365
middle fingers should be pointed directly at those who spew bullshit before even knowing what truly happened. Since MMA walked into the GOM studio without his slayers uniform, it might be telling that he left slayerS already.
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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
July 18 2012 08:54 GMT
#1366
On July 18 2012 16:40 xiselpirt666 wrote:
So guys ive figured it all out.
Now allegedly what happend was, SlayersJessica has recently lost that spark she has had with boxer. every since boxer quit playing SC2 he just isnt quite that sex god she fell in love with. Now while she was feeling lonley and vulnerable, she sees MMA. A young terran training hard; he reminds her of a young boxer; training hard, focused, he reminds her of everything she loved in boxer.
Now story has it, she becomes seduced by MMA's awesome terran skills and attempts to sleep with him, she has had the bull, now she wants the calf. she brings him into bed, now this is where things get interesting. MMA is a greedy player and almost as greedy in real life. He sees SlayersEve. she is lonely and misses HerO. MMA seduces her too. HAving a crazy wild threesome with Eve and Jessica. now in the morning Boxer walks in, sees what has happend and kick MMA out of the house. Boxer is destroyed, he doesn't know what to do, so he calls HerO.
Now HerO is in canada, he gets the call from boxer and is lost for words. he then is called up to play against stephano, he cant focus, all he can think about is getting revenge on MMA. he loses to stephano and runs back to korea to get his revenge on MMA, the man who has ruined his relationship with he only girl HerO has ever loved... Eve.
So here we are today just before the reckoning, just before HerO plays MMA in the GSL. Where HerO will get his revenge.....

So ya thats what happend allegedly and thats why MMA is out of the Slayers house and why HerO is going to win his GSL match.



tl;rd MMA had a threesome with Jessica and Eve... allegedly


Here we go again....wow, so many people are obssessed with sex.....truly obssessed....can't you make any other jokes that don't involve sex?

By the way, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MOD for that writing at the top <3 <3
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
VPVanek
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada238 Posts
July 18 2012 08:55 GMT
#1367
If he wants to go to a foreigner team and lose all his skill let him.
Follow you're korean brothers, and be a shade of your former self.
FoXer
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 18 2012 08:57 GMT
#1368
On July 18 2012 17:55 VPVanek wrote:
If he wants to go to a foreigner team and lose all his skill let him.
Follow you're korean brothers, and be a shade of your former self.


MC seems to be doing fine, as is Hero and Taeja.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 18 2012 08:57 GMT
#1369
On July 18 2012 17:55 VPVanek wrote:
If he wants to go to a foreigner team and lose all his skill let him.
Follow you're korean brothers, and be a shade of your former self.

Yeh, just like MC did. Oh wait.....
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 18 2012 08:58 GMT
#1370
On July 18 2012 17:54 dynwar7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 16:40 xiselpirt666 wrote:
So guys ive figured it all out.
Now allegedly what happend was, SlayersJessica has recently lost that spark she has had with boxer. every since boxer quit playing SC2 he just isnt quite that sex god she fell in love with. Now while she was feeling lonley and vulnerable, she sees MMA. A young terran training hard; he reminds her of a young boxer; training hard, focused, he reminds her of everything she loved in boxer.
Now story has it, she becomes seduced by MMA's awesome terran skills and attempts to sleep with him, she has had the bull, now she wants the calf. she brings him into bed, now this is where things get interesting. MMA is a greedy player and almost as greedy in real life. He sees SlayersEve. she is lonely and misses HerO. MMA seduces her too. HAving a crazy wild threesome with Eve and Jessica. now in the morning Boxer walks in, sees what has happend and kick MMA out of the house. Boxer is destroyed, he doesn't know what to do, so he calls HerO.
Now HerO is in canada, he gets the call from boxer and is lost for words. he then is called up to play against stephano, he cant focus, all he can think about is getting revenge on MMA. he loses to stephano and runs back to korea to get his revenge on MMA, the man who has ruined his relationship with he only girl HerO has ever loved... Eve.
So here we are today just before the reckoning, just before HerO plays MMA in the GSL. Where HerO will get his revenge.....

So ya thats what happend allegedly and thats why MMA is out of the Slayers house and why HerO is going to win his GSL match.



tl;rd MMA had a threesome with Jessica and Eve... allegedly


Here we go again....wow, so many people are obssessed with sex.....truly obssessed....can't you make any other jokes that don't involve sex?

By the way, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MOD for that writing at the top <3 <3


I'm actually more disappointed about how people have so little creativity. We've heard that story a dozen times already, each poster thinking they're being ooohhh so clever and cool, and not one was funny. Come on internet, you've gotta be a little more interesting than that
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 09:04:18
July 18 2012 09:03 GMT
#1371
No Slayers shirt at Code A apparently

Someone at the studio posted in the CodeA thread he wasnt wearing it anyway
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
July 18 2012 09:04 GMT
#1372
On July 18 2012 17:38 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 17:32 Aterons_toss wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:

Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.

1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.

They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.






I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out.


Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true.

They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so.

You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move.

Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this.


Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions.

The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion.

That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined.

MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.

Tell me exactly how this is related to the Kroula case ?
This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team.

Give me 1 good reason why, arguably ,the best player in a team is moved to "B team" without him having any strange performance issue ( he is in Code A after all, not all of them A team SlayerS player are... he is on a bad run lately but that happens from time to time ) OR map hacking/steam cheating/arranging matches.

Again, if there was some arguing between him and the other residents of the house than they can simply say that in a statement without going into details and than release him from the contract and allow him to move into another team practice house.

But they didn't do that... should i draw from this the conclusion that he indeed map hacked/steam cheated/arranged a match ? Some people might.
It is SlayerS that are hurting a players reputation not the "bad community" that is hurting SlayerS with there E-pitchforks.



If there were arguments between MMA and the team, SlayerS does not need to release a statement detailing the argument, which would likely be personal. They did release a statement without excessive details. It is also important that they note the punishment, because when people find out MMA is no longer in the team house or on their GSTL roster (I assume, since he is B team), even crazier speculation will occur.

A lot of the people here saying that players should be released from contracts whenever a player no longer wants to be on a team do not understand what a contract is. You can't just break one unless one party breaches said contract (and then, there will be fines/punishments/reprimands/etc), or a mutual dissolution of the contract is agreed upon.


I agree with all that you said, but i don't see how it contradicts my point ?
If there is an argument between the team and MMA than they don't need to give us details about it, but they did not even state there was an argument... thats my point here.
If they said " there was an argument between MMA and certain staff/team members" and leave it at that I would say its fine.
But unless they state so the community will speculate shit about match fixing or sharing replays with opponent teams, not to mention worse.

Same with the contract issue, I am not saying that a player should be free when he wants to go. But when a team release a statement shitting on one of there players and not giving any reason for doing so it hurts said player reputation.
A team should do the opposite, thus it would be "ethical" to let him go if you are not going to release a statement.

I don't understand your guys point...
Are you saying that this DOESN'T hurt MMA reputation as a player ? ( and arguably his ability to practice )

Are you saying that a team should be able to hurt one of there players reputation ( and again, arguably, his practice for an important match ) without allowing the player to go ? The contract doesn't imply MMA can't say a word about SlayerS, he could ( most likely ) take matter into his own hands and tweet/make a statement about what happened, and that would be the worst thing ever for SlayerS AND for MMA in 99% of the cases, and sadly enough that point might be reached if SlayerS doesn't release and official statement soon and MMA doesn't agree with that.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 09:08:53
July 18 2012 09:08 GMT
#1373
On July 18 2012 17:58 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 17:54 dynwar7 wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:40 xiselpirt666 wrote:
So guys ive figured it all out.
Now allegedly what happend was, SlayersJessica has recently lost that spark she has had with boxer. every since boxer quit playing SC2 he just isnt quite that sex god she fell in love with. Now while she was feeling lonley and vulnerable, she sees MMA. A young terran training hard; he reminds her of a young boxer; training hard, focused, he reminds her of everything she loved in boxer.
Now story has it, she becomes seduced by MMA's awesome terran skills and attempts to sleep with him, she has had the bull, now she wants the calf. she brings him into bed, now this is where things get interesting. MMA is a greedy player and almost as greedy in real life. He sees SlayersEve. she is lonely and misses HerO. MMA seduces her too. HAving a crazy wild threesome with Eve and Jessica. now in the morning Boxer walks in, sees what has happend and kick MMA out of the house. Boxer is destroyed, he doesn't know what to do, so he calls HerO.
Now HerO is in canada, he gets the call from boxer and is lost for words. he then is called up to play against stephano, he cant focus, all he can think about is getting revenge on MMA. he loses to stephano and runs back to korea to get his revenge on MMA, the man who has ruined his relationship with he only girl HerO has ever loved... Eve.
So here we are today just before the reckoning, just before HerO plays MMA in the GSL. Where HerO will get his revenge.....

So ya thats what happend allegedly and thats why MMA is out of the Slayers house and why HerO is going to win his GSL match.



tl;rd MMA had a threesome with Jessica and Eve... allegedly


Here we go again....wow, so many people are obssessed with sex.....truly obssessed....can't you make any other jokes that don't involve sex?

By the way, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MOD for that writing at the top <3 <3


I'm actually more disappointed about how people have so little creativity. We've heard that story a dozen times already, each poster thinking they're being ooohhh so clever and cool, and not one was funny. Come on internet, you've gotta be a little more interesting than that


Let me give it a shot:

Could be just a huge red herring to make TSL let down their guard. Think about it. MMA pre-patch was probably one of the scariest TvZ players out there, and could have all-killed TSL's entire Zerg line in his prime. He's slumping now, but the raw skill is still there. By pretending that MMA got kicked from the house and is no longer on the A-team, the TSL team slacked off on their vT practice (especially considering that Ryung and Puma are going to MLG that weekend).

Day of the match, boom! MMA comes in as the 2nd man after Clide (confirmed starter) falls, and all kills an unprepared TSL. In the post-match interview, MMA reveals to the world that it was all just a trick to lower TSL's guard. Slayers-EG makes it to the GSTL finals.

:p
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
July 18 2012 09:09 GMT
#1374
On July 18 2012 18:04 Aterons_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 17:38 lichter wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:32 Aterons_toss wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:

Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.

1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.

They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.






I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out.


Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true.

They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so.

You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move.

Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this.


Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions.

The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion.

That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined.

MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.

Tell me exactly how this is related to the Kroula case ?
This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team.

Give me 1 good reason why, arguably ,the best player in a team is moved to "B team" without him having any strange performance issue ( he is in Code A after all, not all of them A team SlayerS player are... he is on a bad run lately but that happens from time to time ) OR map hacking/steam cheating/arranging matches.

Again, if there was some arguing between him and the other residents of the house than they can simply say that in a statement without going into details and than release him from the contract and allow him to move into another team practice house.

But they didn't do that... should i draw from this the conclusion that he indeed map hacked/steam cheated/arranged a match ? Some people might.
It is SlayerS that are hurting a players reputation not the "bad community" that is hurting SlayerS with there E-pitchforks.



If there were arguments between MMA and the team, SlayerS does not need to release a statement detailing the argument, which would likely be personal. They did release a statement without excessive details. It is also important that they note the punishment, because when people find out MMA is no longer in the team house or on their GSTL roster (I assume, since he is B team), even crazier speculation will occur.

A lot of the people here saying that players should be released from contracts whenever a player no longer wants to be on a team do not understand what a contract is. You can't just break one unless one party breaches said contract (and then, there will be fines/punishments/reprimands/etc), or a mutual dissolution of the contract is agreed upon.


I agree with all that you said, but i don't see how it contradicts my point ?
If there is an argument between the team and MMA than they don't need to give us details about it, but they did not even state there was an argument... thats my point here.
If they said " there was an argument between MMA and certain staff/team members" and leave it at that I would say its fine.
But unless they state so the community will speculate shit about match fixing or sharing replays with opponent teams, not to mention worse.

Same with the contract issue, I am not saying that a player should be free when he wants to go. But when a team release a statement shitting on one of there players and not giving any reason for doing so it hurts said player reputation.
A team should do the opposite, thus it would be "ethical" to let him go if you are not going to release a statement.

I don't understand your guys point...
Are you saying that this DOESN'T hurt MMA reputation as a player ? ( and arguably his ability to practice )

Are you saying that a team should be able to hurt one of there players reputation ( and again, arguably, his practice for an important match ) without allowing the player to go ? The contract doesn't imply MMA can't say a word about SlayerS, he could ( most likely ) take matter into his own hands and tweet/make a statement about what happened, and that would be the worst thing ever for SlayerS AND for MMA in 99% of the cases, and sadly enough that point might be reached if SlayerS doesn't release and official statement soon and MMA doesn't agree with that.


I doubt it would affect slayers much at all. It would damage MMA's reputation immensely, however.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
July 18 2012 09:09 GMT
#1375
You don't know if this is actually "hurting" MMA's rep...

They could be doing him a favour by covering something up.

Think about how they handled CoCa, they pulled him out of Code S before Gom could punish him themselves.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
July 18 2012 09:16 GMT
#1376
On July 18 2012 17:52 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 17:39 dsousa wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:29 dsousa wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:
On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:

Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.

1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.

They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.






I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out.


Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true.

They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so.

You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move.

Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this.


Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions.

The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion.

That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined.

MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.


We can conclude that Slayers set out to hurt MMA's reputation, confidence and practice regime two days before his code A matches.

That's plenty of information right there as to what type of "team" Slayers is.

*Note: that I wrote this is a very calm fashion




That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.


Did they not kick a two time GSL champion out of the house and issue a press release about it 2 days before his GSL matches? Witches are fictional..... what Slayers did to MMA is fact.




Honestly, I can't tell if you're trolling at this point, that's literally how dumb you sound.

There are NUMEROUS reasons why MMA would be punished besides performance issues or some ridiculous and unjustified assumption of "malicious intent" on behalf of SlayerS. We just have to wait and see instead of certain people displaying this utterly stupid witch hunt mentality. I really like MMA and I really like SlayerS, so I'm personally just hoping everything works out amicably. Not sure why anyone would get out the pitchforks against MMA or SlayerS at this point because we don't know anything other than that MMA is being punished and is really upset about it. If/when more details are released, then maybe you can evaluate the situation for yourself and form an informed opinion about it.


Maybe I am dumb, because I can't think of a single reason why Slayers would do this like they have if they were not trying to hurt MMA's reputation and chances in the GSL.

What purpose did Slayers press release have? How did it help their team?

They could have kept it all "internal" and we would have heard something a few weeks from now once MMA moves on. They made a point of showing what they can do to their players and how rough they can be.

Slayers bullied MMA worse than you bullied me. And you almost made me cry with your meanie comments!
KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
July 18 2012 09:17 GMT
#1377
MMA still wearing his jersey in code A matches.
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
July 18 2012 09:18 GMT
#1378
Good to see he's wearing his jersey
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
Odanrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States37 Posts
July 18 2012 09:18 GMT
#1379
The jersey! :D <3
Play the game like a RPG, if you don't play you will not level up; you will always be behind.
Odanrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States37 Posts
July 18 2012 09:32 GMT
#1380
MMA playing like a boss
Play the game like a RPG, if you don't play you will not level up; you will always be behind.
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