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On July 18 2012 17:18 Xlancer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:14 ZodaSoda wrote:On July 18 2012 17:12 Xlancer wrote:
I'm curious if he can still be held to a contract when he gets removed from the practice rotation and they remove his lodging arrangements. Team slayers has essentially left MMA without the means of earning a living to provide himself with food, cloths, and lodging. Also, I'm sure MMA would never knowingly sign a contract that didn't include a practice house considering his reputation could get him on the A-team of every(other) pro team in the world. even the teams that are much better than Slayers. True but when your manager and team owner are your Friends for quite a few years, you can overlook such things. So you'd let someone take away your ability to earn a living just because you're old friends?
That's unfortunately how it has happened in previous cases.
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On July 18 2012 16:45 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 16:41 recklessfire wrote:On July 18 2012 16:32 Xlancer wrote:
Wow it's been well over 24hrs now, and still no press release. This seems very unprofessional on team slayers part. You can't just announce that you're demoting your star player and not give a reason. unprofessional lol? They can do w/e the fuck with him because he's contracted. He obviously did something wrong to get demoted and that's all we need to know. They didn't make his demotion public, word got leaked out that he did, so thats why theres a shitstorm of a thread now because of it. Players get sent to B teams all the time(bw teams at least) and there arent a thousand press releases why each player gets demoted. It's not like they are stopping him from participating in tournaments either, he's still in gsl and even though he didnt play in gstl, the fact that he was physically still there shows at least they are willing to use him. They could have just as easily told him not to come if his situation with slayers is as bad as we think. Yes they did make a public release. Read the OP "According to press materials released by SlayerS on the 17th of this month, MMA has been demoted to the SlayerS B-team removed from the team house. This measure initiated on the 16th of this month, while the reason for this disciplinary action remained unrevealed, cited as a internal issue of the team." They made a point of shaming him, but gave no reason as to why. That how all powerful they are, they can cut down their best player, issue "press materials" about it days before his Code A match and then give no reason. Fuck Slayers! The onus is on them to explain this. I'm not even an MMA fan, but I would defend anyone against this type of bullying and public shaming by management.
There is no 'onus' on Slayers to explain a thing. They are not beholden to the internet. I know, I know, we are the reason e-sports exists etc. But the simple truth is that we are not privy to every thing that happens, nor do we have a right to know anything that interests us.
And has it not occurred to you that if MMA is being kicked out for behavioural issues that they are doing his reputation a favour by not revealing the reason?
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Much bigger players than MMA back in Brood War have been demoted and asked to leave team houses before (temporarily). These teams presumably know what they are doing.
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On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.
We can conclude that Slayers set out to hurt MMA's reputation, confidence and practice regime two days before his code A matches.
That's plenty of information right there as to what type of "team" Slayers is.
*Note: that I wrote this is a very calm fashion 
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On July 18 2012 17:28 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 16:45 dsousa wrote:On July 18 2012 16:41 recklessfire wrote:On July 18 2012 16:32 Xlancer wrote:
Wow it's been well over 24hrs now, and still no press release. This seems very unprofessional on team slayers part. You can't just announce that you're demoting your star player and not give a reason. unprofessional lol? They can do w/e the fuck with him because he's contracted. He obviously did something wrong to get demoted and that's all we need to know. They didn't make his demotion public, word got leaked out that he did, so thats why theres a shitstorm of a thread now because of it. Players get sent to B teams all the time(bw teams at least) and there arent a thousand press releases why each player gets demoted. It's not like they are stopping him from participating in tournaments either, he's still in gsl and even though he didnt play in gstl, the fact that he was physically still there shows at least they are willing to use him. They could have just as easily told him not to come if his situation with slayers is as bad as we think. Yes they did make a public release. Read the OP "According to press materials released by SlayerS on the 17th of this month, MMA has been demoted to the SlayerS B-team removed from the team house. This measure initiated on the 16th of this month, while the reason for this disciplinary action remained unrevealed, cited as a internal issue of the team." They made a point of shaming him, but gave no reason as to why. That how all powerful they are, they can cut down their best player, issue "press materials" about it days before his Code A match and then give no reason. Fuck Slayers! The onus is on them to explain this. I'm not even an MMA fan, but I would defend anyone against this type of bullying and public shaming by management. There is no 'onus' on Slayers to explain a thing. They are not beholden to the internet. I know, I know, we are the reason e-sports exists etc. But the simple truth is that we are not privy to every thing that happens, nor do we have a right to know anything that interests us. And has it not occurred to you that if MMA is being kicked out for behavioural issues that they are doing his reputation a favour by not revealing the reason?
You guys need to give up replying to this dsousa guy. He's been at it since the start of this thread.
Fandom is awesome, but it also makes some people... 'less than reasonable'.
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On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.
I guess the argument's not about whether his punishment is deserved, but whether it's being handled appropriately. Based on everything that uhh...certain members of Slayers management...have shown us up to this point, I think it is reasonable to say that this could be a vindictive move to keep MMA from succeeding instead of just allowing him to part ways. Speculation, sure, but what else is this thread for?
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On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then.
Tell me exactly how this is related to the Kroula case ?
This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team.
Give me 1 good reason why, arguably ,the best player in a team is moved to "B team" without him having any strange performance issue ( he is in Code A after all, not all of them A team SlayerS player are... he is on a bad run lately but that happens from time to time ) OR map hacking/steam cheating/arranging matches.
Again, if there was some arguing between him and the other residents of the house than they can simply say that in a statement without going into details and than release him from the contract and allow him to move into another team practice house.
But they didn't do that... should i draw from this the conclusion that he indeed map hacked/steam cheated/arranged a match ? Some people might.
It is SlayerS that are hurting a players reputation not the "bad community" that is hurting SlayerS with there E-pitchforks.
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On July 18 2012 17:29 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then. We can conclude that Slayers set out to hurt MMA's reputation, confidence and practice regime two days before his code A matches. That's plenty of information right there as to what type of "team" Slayers is. *Note: that I wrote this is a very calm fashion
That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.
On July 18 2012 17:32 Aterons_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then. Tell me exactly how this is related to the Kroula case ? This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team. Give me 1 good reason why, arguably ,the best player in a team is moved to "B team" without him having any strange performance issue ( he is in Code A after all, not all of them A team SlayerS player are... he is on a bad run lately but that happens from time to time ) OR map hacking/steam cheating/arranging matches. Again, if there was some arguing between him and the other residents of the house than they can simply say that in a statement without going into details and than release him from the contract and allow him to move into another team practice house. But they didn't do that... should i draw from this the conclusion that he indeed map hacked/steam cheated/arranged a match ? Some people might. It is SlayerS that are hurting a players reputation not the "bad community" that is hurting SlayerS with there E-pitchforks.
So it is wrong to witch-hunt and ruin a player's career, but it is perfectly fine to witch-hunt a team and indirectly damage the careers of every player on the team? Come on man, it is really impossible for the community just to wait a few days to hear the full story, without getting worked up and witch-hunting a major team?
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It's probably something like he did heroine, or he hired a prostitute, or he gave replays to another team, etc, etc. Something that is better if no-one knows, but they still have to punish him.
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On July 18 2012 17:34 Shai wrote:
It's probably something like he did heroine, or he hired a prostitute, or he gave replays to another team, etc, etc. Something that is better if no-one knows, but they still have to punish him.
If it was anything like that he would accept the punishment I think. As I understood it it is something that Slayers considered an offence, but MMA does not agree.
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On July 18 2012 17:32 Aterons_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then. Tell me exactly how this is related to the Kroula case ? This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team. Give me 1 good reason why, arguably ,the best player in a team is moved to "B team" without him having any strange performance issue ( he is in Code A after all, not all of them A team SlayerS player are... he is on a bad run lately but that happens from time to time ) OR map hacking/steam cheating/arranging matches. Again, if there was some arguing between him and the other residents of the house than they can simply say that in a statement without going into details and than release him from the contract and allow him to move into another team practice house. But they didn't do that... should i draw from this the conclusion that he indeed map hacked/steam cheated/arranged a match ? Some people might. It is SlayerS that are hurting a players reputation not the "bad community" that is hurting SlayerS with there E-pitchforks.
If there were arguments between MMA and the team, SlayerS does not need to release a statement detailing the argument, which would likely be personal. They did release a statement without excessive details. It is also important that they note the punishment, because when people find out MMA is no longer in the team house or on their GSTL roster (I assume, since he is B team), even crazier speculation will occur.
A lot of the people here saying that players should be released from contracts whenever a player no longer wants to be on a team do not understand what a contract is. You can't just break one unless one party breaches said contract (and then, there will be fines/punishments/reprimands/etc), or a mutual dissolution of the contract is agreed upon.
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On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:29 dsousa wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then. We can conclude that Slayers set out to hurt MMA's reputation, confidence and practice regime two days before his code A matches. That's plenty of information right there as to what type of "team" Slayers is. *Note: that I wrote this is a very calm fashion That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.
Did they not kick a two time GSL champion out of the house and issue a press release about it 2 days before his GSL matches? Witches are fictional..... what Slayers did to MMA is fact.
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Might even be something silly like he helped someone practice who was playing a fellow SlayerS member. I just wish they would release the full story..
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On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:
That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.
Just give up Bagy, arguing with him is fruitless T_T
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On July 18 2012 17:32 Aterons_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then. Tell me exactly how this is related to the Kroula case ? This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team. Which is worse.Give me 1 good reason why, arguably ,the best player in a team is moved to "B team" without him having any strange performance issue ( he is in Code A after all, not all of them A team SlayerS player are... he is on a bad run lately but that happens from time to time ) OR map hacking/steam cheating/arranging matches. Again, if there was some arguing between him and the other residents of the house than they can simply say that in a statement without going into details and than release him from the contract and allow him to move into another team practice house. Disciplinary action citing internal issues - most likely some form of behavioural disagreement. And how crazy are you to just let go your team's face rather than try to work things out. But they didn't do that... should i draw from this the conclusion that he indeed map hacked/steam cheated/arranged a match ? Some people might. MMA contested the decision. It's safe to say that it's not something along the lines of cheating, coz if it was and MMA thinks he's above everyone else he would be a fucking moron, which he isn't.It is SlayerS that are hurting a players reputation not the "bad community" that is hurting SlayerS with there E-pitchforks. "This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team"
Say what now?
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On July 18 2012 17:32 Aterons_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then. Tell me exactly how this is related to the Kroula case ? This is not the community raising pitchforks against a player, but rather against a team. Give me 1 good reason why, arguably ,the best player in a team is moved to "B team" without him having any strange performance issue ( he is in Code A after all, not all of them A team SlayerS player are... he is on a bad run lately but that happens from time to time ) OR map hacking/steam cheating/arranging matches. Again, if there was some arguing between him and the other residents of the house than they can simply say that in a statement without going into details and than release him from the contract and allow him to move into another team practice house. But they didn't do that... should i draw from this the conclusion that he indeed map hacked/steam cheated/arranged a match ? Some people might. It is SlayerS that are hurting a players reputation not the "bad community" that is hurting SlayerS with there E-pitchforks.
That is pure speculation on your part. Both sides (SlayerS and MMA) have handled themselves professionally so far, at least publicly, regarding this incident .
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On July 18 2012 17:39 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:29 dsousa wrote:On July 18 2012 17:20 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 17:13 Aterons_toss wrote:On July 18 2012 16:57 Bagration wrote:On July 18 2012 16:55 dsousa wrote:
Imagine you were Slayer management and you wanted to inflict maximum revenge on a player.
1. Make a public release of their demotion
2. Remove their practice environment
3. Cast doubt on the players reputation
4. Keep him locked up so he can't sign with another team.
They could release him.... but that wouldn't be punitive enough. They need to hold him down and teach him a lesson.... while making sure all the other Slayers players get the message loud and clear.
I think it might be best if you calm down a bit and put down the pitchfork and torch that you are holding. Yes, this is a very uncertain time and the lack of information can be frustrating, but we need to be patient and have faith that this information will come out. Why is it that you say we need to be "patient" ? what this guy says it pretty much true. They are hurting MMA reputation and practice, they don't allow him to say "fuck off" due to a contract and they don't give the "community" a damn reason for doing so. You don't demote your star player to B team without giving a reason, kicking him... yeah that could be reasonable, to say " we fought over shit and we decided to part was, we don't want to talk about it", but while he is a contract with you and you have the responsibility of his image its a really shitty move. Slayers deserve a lot more shit than they get for doing this. Because we don't know what happened. MMA was supposedly demoted due to behavioral issues. We don't know exactly what these problems were, and without knowing what happened, we can't draw conclusions. The guy I replied to basically assumed MMA was being unfairly punished, and decided to start bashing the Slayers team. It's irresponsible, and while I understand that the lack of information might be frustrating for him, it is important we wait for the full story before reaching a conclusion. That's the kind of reddit pitchfork mentality that really gives this community a shitty reputation. Remember that EmpireKroula guy? Some imposter claims to be stream-cheating, people draw conclusions without the entire story, and now Kroula's reputation has been ruined. MMA has a match tonight in the GSL. Maybe we will get information then. We can conclude that Slayers set out to hurt MMA's reputation, confidence and practice regime two days before his code A matches. That's plenty of information right there as to what type of "team" Slayers is. *Note: that I wrote this is a very calm fashion That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community. Did they not kick a two time GSL champion out of the house and issue a press release about it 2 days before his GSL matches? Witches are fictional..... what Slayers did to MMA is fact.
You don't know why they kicked him out of the house so any further which hunt is stupid. You have no idea what caused this so how can you already lay blame and shit on one side?
Every drama thread gets huge amounts of pages filled with stupid bullshit arguments and people supporting "their" side even though they have absolutely no idea what really happened.
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On July 18 2012 17:40 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 17:34 Bagration wrote:
That kind of witch-hunt mentality that you have needs to be purged from this community.
Just give up Bagy, arguing with him is fruitless T_T
Alas, as a Slayers and MMA fan (big one at that), I feel somewhat obligated to try to stop another senseless community witchhunt, especially if it is directed toward a team that I like.
If there is one thing that I have learned from politics, it is that a lie or whatever ignorant rhetoric, if repeated long enough and is not refuted, can become logical to the masses after time.
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