On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet
Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.
And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.
2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event
LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet
Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.
And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.
2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event
LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year
On July 11 2012 03:00 neoghaleon55 wrote: I think if you got top 4 in the previous championship, you should be invited to the next championship. The arenas take too much time off the very top players.
Us DRG fans are sad
*pat pat it's ok, we already gave him a shirt last weekend. He knows how much we care. <3
International events and Korean events are starting to conflict, which makes it harder for Koreans to attend international events, and easier for international players to make it to the top of these events and stay there. With both OSL and GSL going on, plus Pro League when that gets started, and GSTL, it's going to be busy for a lot of the top Korean players.
For Summer, we've lined up an all-star group of casters, including some faces you'll be accustomed to seeing at Arenas, and some old friends who we're incredibly happy to have back. Casters for the Summer Arena will be Artosis, djWheat, Day9, Apollo, and Mr Bitter.
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet
Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.
And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.
2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event
LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year
Those are two completely different things.
Actually they aren't. Spring and summer are different mlg seasons. Just like different football seasons
On July 11 2012 03:06 Azarkon wrote: International events and Korean events are starting to conflict, which makes it harder for Koreans to attend international events, and easier for international players to make it to the top of these events and stay there. With both OSL and GSL going on, plus Pro League when that gets started, and GSTL, it's going to be busy for a lot of the top Korean players.
I'm so scared that KeSPA joining SC2 has/will ruin the involvement of Korean players in international competition due to schedule conflicts.
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG but this is the weakest line up of players yet
Wait it's my understanding that these guys were able to qualify for this Arena but just didn't get through the qualifiers right? The same thing happened with TSL qualifiers, what the public perceives as "best" might be true if they played 100 games, but the line dividing top tier and "next best" is very very thin.
People tend to forget that StarCraft is a much more non-static field than traditional games, favorites win 70% of the time is good. In these super competitive fields upsets happen. DRG and MKP haven't qualified for TSL either despite playing multiple times in the qualifiers. It happens.
Claiming a field of players who actually beat those guys is "weak" is just irresponsible. Yeah, they might have the same name recognition as the three you listed (debatable for Symbol) but to say the field is strong or weak based on the presence of just one or two players who have more name value is not fair at all to MLG or the players who went through a very difficult Korean qualification process.
Hot bid I love you, but the thing is DRG and MKP were qualified for the arena but cant attend because of GSL and OSL. I was saying these guys qualified and can't go because they are playing in two better tournaments. I understand you are mad because Taeja and Hero are in it an I said I was a weak field, and yes they are probably two of the favorites, but it's weaker than normal.
I am frankly getting very tired of people accusing Liquid bias every time I state an opinion about things. I feel that it is possible for me to cheer for players while remaining impartial in analysis, you don't have to yell "you work for TL therefore your opinion is discounted." It's very tiring and such a disrespectful thing to do every time. The very fact that our TSL is open qualifiers and not invite should speak to the lack of bias toward Liquid guys, if we wanted to we could just invite most of the Liquid team but we didn't. But here, where there's no real impact except for arguing against someone on the internet, I'm too offended because you're insulting a field that includes a few Liquid guys? Come on.
MLG created a format that requires attendance to their events, and created an incentive for players to show up to them. They separated seasons so this could happen. This was a big complaint about their format last time (same players staying in pools) and they listened to the feedback and changed. Yes, it is unfortunate that scheduling conflicts happened and the two biggest name guys aren't coming. However, in general fans put way too much value into name and disrespect just how tight and cutthroat the Korean scene is when it comes to skill level. One or two names does not break the overall skill of the field. It appears it does impact the perception of the skill of the field, but I suppose that's just something that we'll have to accept since fans overvalue big names.
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet
Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.
And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.
2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event
LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year
Those are two completely different things.
Actually they aren't. Spring and summer are different mlg seasons. Just like different football seasons
If you want to relate this to football which is stupid, I'll tell you what it's like. DrG is the giants, MkP is the 49ers. DRG just won the Super Bowl and MKP lost in the NFC finals. Well say that the arena is like the regular season and the top 16 in the regular season get into the division round of the playoffs (seeds at raleigh.) the giants and 49ers cant play in the regular season and are forced to be at a major disadvantage in the playoffs (play in the wild card game or open bracket) the giants and 49ers are clearly better than 90% of the population of the regular season on a bad day.
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG but this is the weakest line up of players yet
Wait it's my understanding that these guys were able to qualify for this Arena but just didn't get through the qualifiers right? The same thing happened with TSL qualifiers, what the public perceives as "best" might be true if they played 100 games, but the line dividing top tier and "next best" is very very thin.
People tend to forget that StarCraft is a much more non-static field than traditional games, favorites win 70% of the time is good. In these super competitive fields upsets happen. DRG and MKP haven't qualified for TSL either despite playing multiple times in the qualifiers. It happens.
Claiming a field of players who actually beat those guys is "weak" is just irresponsible. Yeah, they might have the same name recognition as the three you listed (debatable for Symbol) but to say the field is strong or weak based on the presence of just one or two players who have more name value is not fair at all to MLG or the players who went through a very difficult Korean qualification process.
Hot bid I love you, but the thing is DRG and MKP were qualified for the arena but cant attend because of GSL and OSL. I was saying these guys qualified and can't go because they are playing in two better tournaments. I understand you are mad because Taeja and Hero are in it an I said I was a weak field, and yes they are probably two of the favorites, but it's weaker than normal.
I am frankly getting very tired of people accusing Liquid bias every time I state an opinion about things. I feel that it is possible for me to cheer for players while remaining impartial in analysis, you don't have to yell "you work for TL therefore your opinion is discounted." It's very tiring and such a disrespectful thing to do every time. The very fact that our TSL is open qualifiers and not invite should speak to the lack of bias toward Liquid guys, if we wanted to we could just invite most of the Liquid team but we didn't. But here, where there's no real impact except for arguing against someone on the internet, I'm too offended because you're insulting a field that includes a few Liquid guys? Come on.
MLG created a format that requires attendance to their events, and created an incentive for players to show up to them. They separated seasons so this could happen. This was a big complaint about their format last time and they listened to the feedback and changed. Yes, it is unfortunate that scheduling conflicts happened and the two biggest name guys aren't coming. However, in general fans put way too much value into name and disrespect just how tight and cutthroat the Korean scene is when it comes to skill level. One or two names does not break the overall skill of the field. It appears it does impact the perception of the skill of the field, but I suppose that's just something that we'll have to accept since fans overvalue big names.
Well if you did that, nobody would take tsl4 seriously so you didn't have much of a choice. And I never said your opinion was discounted, I actually believe the opposite, that it's more than most everybody here, I just thought you were mad because I called a field with the two best liquid guys "weaker." I apologize. And I'm only really saying this because of how big of a DRG fan I am, not that these players aren't good, but DRG is the most successful player of 2012 and MKp is probably second and neither of them not being here, for sure lowers the skill level. But it will be nice to see games from players I don't often see. EDIT: I'm typing this in iPhone so sorry for errors lol, it's hard to type for long periods of time on.
On July 11 2012 03:20 Fionn wrote: Wonder why Polt isn't going. Maybe he realized that to get back into Code S he needs to focus in Korea for a while?
Probably WCS. Every korean except the top 10 in GSL points has to qualify for WCS. Only hero and taeja are in top 10 out of this arena list, which means every korean there will be skipping WCS qualifiers, if this is a confirmed list.
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG but this is the weakest line up of players yet
Wait it's my understanding that these guys were able to qualify for this Arena but just didn't get through the qualifiers right? The same thing happened with TSL qualifiers, what the public perceives as "best" might be true if they played 100 games, but the line dividing top tier and "next best" is very very thin.
People tend to forget that StarCraft is a much more non-static field than traditional games, favorites win 70% of the time is good. In these super competitive fields upsets happen. DRG and MKP haven't qualified for TSL either despite playing multiple times in the qualifiers. It happens.
Claiming a field of players who actually beat those guys is "weak" is just irresponsible. Yeah, they might have the same name recognition as the three you listed (debatable for Symbol) but to say the field is strong or weak based on the presence of just one or two players who have more name value is not fair at all to MLG or the players who went through a very difficult Korean qualification process.
Hot bid I love you, but the thing is DRG and MKP were qualified for the arena but cant attend because of GSL and OSL. I was saying these guys qualified and can't go because they are playing in two better tournaments. I understand you are mad because Taeja and Hero are in it an I said I was a weak field, and yes they are probably two of the favorites, but it's weaker than normal.
I am frankly getting very tired of people accusing Liquid bias every time I state an opinion about things. I feel that it is possible for me to cheer for players while remaining impartial in analysis, you don't have to yell "you work for TL therefore your opinion is discounted." It's very tiring and such a disrespectful thing to do every time. The very fact that our TSL is open qualifiers and not invite should speak to the lack of bias toward Liquid guys, if we wanted to we could just invite most of the Liquid team but we didn't. But here, where there's no real impact except for arguing against someone on the internet, I'm too offended because you're insulting a field that includes a few Liquid guys? Come on.
MLG created a format that requires attendance to their events, and created an incentive for players to show up to them. They separated seasons so this could happen. This was a big complaint about their format last time and they listened to the feedback and changed. Yes, it is unfortunate that scheduling conflicts happened and the two biggest name guys aren't coming. However, in general fans put way too much value into name and disrespect just how tight and cutthroat the Korean scene is when it comes to skill level. One or two names does not break the overall skill of the field. It appears it does impact the perception of the skill of the field, but I suppose that's just something that we'll have to accept since fans overvalue big names.
Well if you did that, nobody would take tsl4 seriously so you didn't have much of a choice. And I never said your opinion was discounted, I actually believe the opposite, that it's more than most everybody here, I just thought you were mad because I called a field with the two best liquid guys "weaker." I apologize. And I'm only really saying this because of how big of a DRG fan I am, not that these players aren't good, but DRG is the most successful player of 2012 and MKp is probably second and neither of them not being here, for sure lowers the skill level. But it will be nice to see games from players I don't often see.
I don't like this attitude. Just because DRG/MKP were the most successful of 2012 with respect to the sum of their achievements doesn't mean that they're the best players or even a level above everyone else. MKP isn't exactly tearing up GSL right now and DRG has a pretty big rival in Symbol. There are a lot of players in Korea who could give DRG/MKP a serious run for their money on any given day. They just haven't won as much this year, yet.
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote: So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet
Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.
And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.
2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event
LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year
Those are two completely different things.
Actually they aren't. Spring and summer are different mlg seasons. Just like different football seasons
The winners of the FIBA World Championship get a seed into the Olympic basketball tournament two years later. Up until 2002, the reigning FIFA World Cup champions got a direct seed into the next World Cup Finals tournament. It all depends on what the organizers want to do.
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