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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#41
On July 11 2012 02:59 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet

Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.

And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.

2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event

LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year
www.superbeerbrothers.com
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#42
On July 11 2012 03:04 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 02:59 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet

Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.

And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.

2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event

LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year

Those are two completely different things.
#TheOneTrueDong
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
July 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#43
On July 11 2012 03:03 TommyP wrote:
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On July 11 2012 03:00 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I think if you got top 4 in the previous championship, you should be invited to the next championship.
The arenas take too much time off the very top players.

Us DRG fans are sad


*pat pat
it's ok, we already gave him a shirt last weekend.
He knows how much we care.
<3
moo...for DRG
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:07:13
July 10 2012 18:06 GMT
#44
International events and Korean events are starting to conflict, which makes it harder for Koreans to attend international events, and easier for international players to make it to the top of these events and stay there. With both OSL and GSL going on, plus Pro League when that gets started, and GSTL, it's going to be busy for a lot of the top Korean players.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 10 2012 18:08 GMT
#45
On July 11 2012 02:59 Etox wrote:
What about MC?

He didn't qualify
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Ambre
Profile Joined July 2011
France416 Posts
July 10 2012 18:09 GMT
#46
For Summer, we've lined up an all-star group of casters, including some faces you'll be accustomed to seeing at Arenas, and some old friends who we're incredibly happy to have back. Casters for the Summer Arena will be Artosis, djWheat, Day9, Apollo, and Mr Bitter.


OMG OMG.
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." - Aldous Huxley
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 10 2012 18:09 GMT
#47
On July 11 2012 03:05 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:04 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:59 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet

Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.

And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.

2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event

LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year

Those are two completely different things.

Actually they aren't. Spring and summer are different mlg seasons. Just like different football seasons
www.superbeerbrothers.com
jpaolof
Profile Joined November 2011
28 Posts
July 10 2012 18:10 GMT
#48
Hope it'll be Stephano this time!!!!
Nestea ------ Stephano -------Scarlett------Enderr-----NA'VI
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
July 10 2012 18:10 GMT
#49
On July 11 2012 03:06 Azarkon wrote:
International events and Korean events are starting to conflict, which makes it harder for Koreans to attend international events, and easier for international players to make it to the top of these events and stay there. With both OSL and GSL going on, plus Pro League when that gets started, and GSTL, it's going to be busy for a lot of the top Korean players.



I'm so scared that KeSPA joining SC2 has/will ruin the involvement of Korean players in international competition due to schedule conflicts.
moo...for DRG
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:19:26
July 10 2012 18:13 GMT
#50
On July 11 2012 02:57 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 02:53 Hot_Bid wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG but this is the weakest line up of players yet

Wait it's my understanding that these guys were able to qualify for this Arena but just didn't get through the qualifiers right? The same thing happened with TSL qualifiers, what the public perceives as "best" might be true if they played 100 games, but the line dividing top tier and "next best" is very very thin.

People tend to forget that StarCraft is a much more non-static field than traditional games, favorites win 70% of the time is good. In these super competitive fields upsets happen. DRG and MKP haven't qualified for TSL either despite playing multiple times in the qualifiers. It happens.

Claiming a field of players who actually beat those guys is "weak" is just irresponsible. Yeah, they might have the same name recognition as the three you listed (debatable for Symbol) but to say the field is strong or weak based on the presence of just one or two players who have more name value is not fair at all to MLG or the players who went through a very difficult Korean qualification process.
Hot bid I love you, but the thing is DRG and MKP were qualified for the arena but cant attend because of GSL and OSL. I was saying these guys qualified and can't go because they are playing in two better tournaments. I understand you are mad because Taeja and Hero are in it an I said I was a weak field, and yes they are probably two of the favorites, but it's weaker than normal.

I am frankly getting very tired of people accusing Liquid bias every time I state an opinion about things. I feel that it is possible for me to cheer for players while remaining impartial in analysis, you don't have to yell "you work for TL therefore your opinion is discounted." It's very tiring and such a disrespectful thing to do every time. The very fact that our TSL is open qualifiers and not invite should speak to the lack of bias toward Liquid guys, if we wanted to we could just invite most of the Liquid team but we didn't. But here, where there's no real impact except for arguing against someone on the internet, I'm too offended because you're insulting a field that includes a few Liquid guys? Come on.

MLG created a format that requires attendance to their events, and created an incentive for players to show up to them. They separated seasons so this could happen. This was a big complaint about their format last time (same players staying in pools) and they listened to the feedback and changed. Yes, it is unfortunate that scheduling conflicts happened and the two biggest name guys aren't coming. However, in general fans put way too much value into name and disrespect just how tight and cutthroat the Korean scene is when it comes to skill level. One or two names does not break the overall skill of the field. It appears it does impact the perception of the skill of the field, but I suppose that's just something that we'll have to accept since fans overvalue big names.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 10 2012 18:14 GMT
#51
On July 11 2012 03:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:05 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:04 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:59 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet

Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.

And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.

2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event

LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year

Those are two completely different things.

Actually they aren't. Spring and summer are different mlg seasons. Just like different football seasons

If you want to relate this to football which is stupid, I'll tell you what it's like. DrG is the giants, MkP is the 49ers. DRG just won the Super Bowl and MKP lost in the NFC finals. Well say that the arena is like the regular season and the top 16 in the regular season get into the division round of the playoffs (seeds at raleigh.) the giants and 49ers cant play in the regular season and are forced to be at a major disadvantage in the playoffs (play in the wild card game or open bracket) the giants and 49ers are clearly better than 90% of the population of the regular season on a bad day.
#TheOneTrueDong
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
July 10 2012 18:16 GMT
#52
On July 11 2012 02:40 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 02:32 Shadow_Dog wrote:
LG-IM.First is a Protoss.

Fixed, thank you.


What will the premium fee look like? Any Gold discount, or are you removing that bit on account of the whole "it's free now"?
ToD
Profile Joined December 2008
France222 Posts
July 10 2012 18:17 GMT
#53
how do the invites work for each qualifier ? never heard about this, would have loved to play
Commentator
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 10 2012 18:20 GMT
#54
Wonder why Polt isn't going. Maybe he realized that to get back into Code S he needs to focus in Korea for a while?
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 18:22:56
July 10 2012 18:21 GMT
#55
On July 11 2012 03:13 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 02:57 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:53 Hot_Bid wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG but this is the weakest line up of players yet

Wait it's my understanding that these guys were able to qualify for this Arena but just didn't get through the qualifiers right? The same thing happened with TSL qualifiers, what the public perceives as "best" might be true if they played 100 games, but the line dividing top tier and "next best" is very very thin.

People tend to forget that StarCraft is a much more non-static field than traditional games, favorites win 70% of the time is good. In these super competitive fields upsets happen. DRG and MKP haven't qualified for TSL either despite playing multiple times in the qualifiers. It happens.

Claiming a field of players who actually beat those guys is "weak" is just irresponsible. Yeah, they might have the same name recognition as the three you listed (debatable for Symbol) but to say the field is strong or weak based on the presence of just one or two players who have more name value is not fair at all to MLG or the players who went through a very difficult Korean qualification process.
Hot bid I love you, but the thing is DRG and MKP were qualified for the arena but cant attend because of GSL and OSL. I was saying these guys qualified and can't go because they are playing in two better tournaments. I understand you are mad because Taeja and Hero are in it an I said I was a weak field, and yes they are probably two of the favorites, but it's weaker than normal.

I am frankly getting very tired of people accusing Liquid bias every time I state an opinion about things. I feel that it is possible for me to cheer for players while remaining impartial in analysis, you don't have to yell "you work for TL therefore your opinion is discounted." It's very tiring and such a disrespectful thing to do every time. The very fact that our TSL is open qualifiers and not invite should speak to the lack of bias toward Liquid guys, if we wanted to we could just invite most of the Liquid team but we didn't. But here, where there's no real impact except for arguing against someone on the internet, I'm too offended because you're insulting a field that includes a few Liquid guys? Come on.

MLG created a format that requires attendance to their events, and created an incentive for players to show up to them. They separated seasons so this could happen. This was a big complaint about their format last time and they listened to the feedback and changed. Yes, it is unfortunate that scheduling conflicts happened and the two biggest name guys aren't coming. However, in general fans put way too much value into name and disrespect just how tight and cutthroat the Korean scene is when it comes to skill level. One or two names does not break the overall skill of the field. It appears it does impact the perception of the skill of the field, but I suppose that's just something that we'll have to accept since fans overvalue big names.

Well if you did that, nobody would take tsl4 seriously so you didn't have much of a choice. And I never said your opinion was discounted, I actually believe the opposite, that it's more than most everybody here, I just thought you were mad because I called a field with the two best liquid guys "weaker." I apologize. And I'm only really saying this because of how big of a DRG fan I am, not that these players aren't good, but DRG is the most successful player of 2012 and MKp is probably second and neither of them not being here, for sure lowers the skill level. But it will be nice to see games from players I don't often see. EDIT: I'm typing this in iPhone so sorry for errors lol, it's hard to type for long periods of time on.
#TheOneTrueDong
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
July 10 2012 18:22 GMT
#56
On July 11 2012 03:20 Fionn wrote:
Wonder why Polt isn't going. Maybe he realized that to get back into Code S he needs to focus in Korea for a while?


Probably WCS. Every korean except the top 10 in GSL points has to qualify for WCS. Only hero and taeja are in top 10 out of this arena list, which means every korean there will be skipping WCS qualifiers, if this is a confirmed list.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
July 10 2012 18:22 GMT
#57
What a crazy line-up. I can't wait to see if any of these lesser-known NA and EU can punch through the big Korean names that are attending.
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 10 2012 18:23 GMT
#58
On July 11 2012 03:21 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:13 Hot_Bid wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:57 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:53 Hot_Bid wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG but this is the weakest line up of players yet

Wait it's my understanding that these guys were able to qualify for this Arena but just didn't get through the qualifiers right? The same thing happened with TSL qualifiers, what the public perceives as "best" might be true if they played 100 games, but the line dividing top tier and "next best" is very very thin.

People tend to forget that StarCraft is a much more non-static field than traditional games, favorites win 70% of the time is good. In these super competitive fields upsets happen. DRG and MKP haven't qualified for TSL either despite playing multiple times in the qualifiers. It happens.

Claiming a field of players who actually beat those guys is "weak" is just irresponsible. Yeah, they might have the same name recognition as the three you listed (debatable for Symbol) but to say the field is strong or weak based on the presence of just one or two players who have more name value is not fair at all to MLG or the players who went through a very difficult Korean qualification process.
Hot bid I love you, but the thing is DRG and MKP were qualified for the arena but cant attend because of GSL and OSL. I was saying these guys qualified and can't go because they are playing in two better tournaments. I understand you are mad because Taeja and Hero are in it an I said I was a weak field, and yes they are probably two of the favorites, but it's weaker than normal.

I am frankly getting very tired of people accusing Liquid bias every time I state an opinion about things. I feel that it is possible for me to cheer for players while remaining impartial in analysis, you don't have to yell "you work for TL therefore your opinion is discounted." It's very tiring and such a disrespectful thing to do every time. The very fact that our TSL is open qualifiers and not invite should speak to the lack of bias toward Liquid guys, if we wanted to we could just invite most of the Liquid team but we didn't. But here, where there's no real impact except for arguing against someone on the internet, I'm too offended because you're insulting a field that includes a few Liquid guys? Come on.

MLG created a format that requires attendance to their events, and created an incentive for players to show up to them. They separated seasons so this could happen. This was a big complaint about their format last time and they listened to the feedback and changed. Yes, it is unfortunate that scheduling conflicts happened and the two biggest name guys aren't coming. However, in general fans put way too much value into name and disrespect just how tight and cutthroat the Korean scene is when it comes to skill level. One or two names does not break the overall skill of the field. It appears it does impact the perception of the skill of the field, but I suppose that's just something that we'll have to accept since fans overvalue big names.

Well if you did that, nobody would take tsl4 seriously so you didn't have much of a choice. And I never said your opinion was discounted, I actually believe the opposite, that it's more than most everybody here, I just thought you were mad because I called a field with the two best liquid guys "weaker." I apologize. And I'm only really saying this because of how big of a DRG fan I am, not that these players aren't good, but DRG is the most successful player of 2012 and MKp is probably second and neither of them not being here, for sure lowers the skill level. But it will be nice to see games from players I don't often see.

I don't like this attitude. Just because DRG/MKP were the most successful of 2012 with respect to the sum of their achievements doesn't mean that they're the best players or even a level above everyone else. MKP isn't exactly tearing up GSL right now and DRG has a pretty big rival in Symbol. There are a lot of players in Korea who could give DRG/MKP a serious run for their money on any given day. They just haven't won as much this year, yet.
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
July 10 2012 18:24 GMT
#59
On July 11 2012 03:09 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 03:05 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 03:04 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:59 TommyP wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:54 jmbthirteen wrote:
On July 11 2012 02:42 TommyP wrote:
So basically for summer championship, The best players in the world (DRG,mkp,symbol,etc) are going to have to play through open bracket just because they qualified for a more prestigious tournament and these guys didn't? I love MLG buat this is the weakest line up of players yet

Depending on dropouts and such they may get seeded further into the open bracket. What is mlg supposed to do here dude? They are skipping MLG, they cant just bend the rules for DRG. Taeja is in the round of 8 and is going to the arena. Its not impossible.

And even though this is there "weakest lineup yet" it still smashes pretty much every other tournaments line up.

2 arenas like last time? Im not mad at MLG, I'm just saying its stupid how 2 out of the top 3 of your spring champs. Will be in open next event

LOL its not stupid, they are separate seasons. You don't get a playoffs spot for winning the super bowl the previous year

Those are two completely different things.

Actually they aren't. Spring and summer are different mlg seasons. Just like different football seasons


The winners of the FIBA World Championship get a seed into the Olympic basketball tournament two years later. Up until 2002, the reigning FIFA World Cup champions got a direct seed into the next World Cup Finals tournament. It all depends on what the organizers want to do.

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VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
July 10 2012 18:25 GMT
#60
I know this may not be important but LosirA is more correct than Losira
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