I wasn’t able to practise a lot because of some personal matters. So I wasn’t expecting to advance in first place which makes me even happier that I did. Looking at the rest of the bracket, it seems like I can get to the finals with no problem.
You are doing rather well lately.
I lose often in practice at the moment but I feel like I’m invincible on the stage. That’s why I think it’s time for another championship. If I stay the way I am, this season is mine.
The finals is in your hometown so doesn’t that motivate you even more?
When I heard, I told myself that I had to get to the finals no matter what. Ro16 was the hardest step and since I’m advancing in first place, I should be able to get to the finals no matter what. The only thing I need to think about now is the finals in my hometown.
It wasn’t on easy group so how did you prepare for it?
I was very confident in ZvT. So even I knew that I could advance through the final match even if I lost to Nestea in the winner’s match.
You had a very long game against Ryung.
I had a very sloppy first battle so got backed into a corner. I wasn’t able to spend my resources after some tight battles so my composition was ruined. Ryung is a great player so I prepared specifically for him but he surprised me by blocking all my moves.
You faced Nestea in the winner’s match.
I feel like I play faster lately. So I thought I’d have the upper hand if it got to the late game and strategized around that concept.
You will face Naniwa in ro8
I can do whatever I want and still win. That’s all I have to say.
GSTL and GSL are being held in Busan.
This is my one chance to be in both the individual and team leagues in my hometown Busan. I think this might be a first and last chance for me as a progamer. I want to win both leagues in style in my hometown.
Anything to add?
I want to thank our sponsor Razer, our partner MYM and people who helped with practice Dream and Sniper. I had a headache at the studio but got better because my coach took great care of me. I want to thank the coach, his family, my girlfriend, my parents, family and last but not least, the fans who cheer for me.
Your thoughts on advancing after some close games?
I’m glad because I haven’t been in ro8 in a while. I’m glad to have secured a Code S spot for next season.
Did you intend to rely on TvZ only for your advancement?
Yes, I did. That’s why I didn’t practise any ZvZ but DRG seemed to have the same idea. I think it was still a good decision.
Did you expect to face DRG in the winner’s match?
Somewhat. Even if it were a Terran, I was confident that I would advance to ro8.
You seemed to lose more concentration the longer a game went.
Indeed, I did. Maybe it’s because I’m getting older but I had a hard time physically in longer games. However, I tried my best thinking that a loss was not acceptable. I think I’ll start exercising from tomorrow to prepare for such lengthy games.
You had some disappointing play such as having idle drones in Set 2 of the final match.
I didn’t find out until the match was over. I was playing without any idea of what I was doing.
You did an all-in for the last set of the final match.
I was actually planning to use it for the first map but saved it because I felt I could win with macro on that map. Later, I intentionally chose Daybreak with its long rush distance to use that strategy.
You now have a best of 5 series in store.
I’ve been looking forward to this. A best of 5 series is much easier to prepare for than the dual tournament.
You face Byun in ro8
Byun is one Terran I really wanted to avoid. He is exceptionally good. However since it’s decided, I hope we have a fun and amazing match.
Are you confident about getting to the finals?
I give myself about 10%. I really want to but can’t guarantee it. There are too many great players so I’ll just focus on the match at hand.
OSL is starting soon.
I’ve gotten to the dual tournament stage in Starcraft 1. At the time, I went 0:2 so I want to do well in Starcraft 2. GSL is my top priority but I still want to prepare and perform well.
What are your plans for the future?
I’m planning to skip foreign tournaments for a while. I will focus on Korean tournaments or a month or two. Attending some foreign tournaments early this year took its toll on me.
How do you think you will do in the WCG 2012 qualifiers?
Again I can’t be sure because there are too many great players. I think I’ll just have to do my best.
Anything to add?
I want to thank Happy for practising with me and also IMHirai. Today’s my lovely girlfriend’s birthday so I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to spend the day with her and I wish to dedicate my victory to her. I want to thank her for being so understanding and I want to say that I love her very much. Lastly, I want to thank our sponsors: LG Electronics, Googims, Nvidia, Cocacola and SteelSeries.
My goodness, it is definitely going to be hard to stop DRG from taking this tournament. He may soon surpass Nestea as the most accomplished Zerg player in history.
This is my one chance to be in both the individual and team leagues in my hometown Busan. I think this might be a first and last chance for me as a progamer. I want to win both leagues in style in my hometown. "
What, is he considering retiring or am I missing something? Seems like a weird comment given his sucess, so I am trying to pinpoint other factors.
On July 05 2012 22:55 TheBamf wrote: "GSTL and GSL are being held in Busan.
This is my one chance to be in both the individual and team leagues in my hometown Busan. I think this might be a first and last chance for me as a progamer. I want to win both leagues in style in my hometown. "
What, is he considering retiring or am I missing something? Seems like a weird comment given his sucess, so I am trying to pinpoint other factors.
Well, it is probably because it is rare to have both tournaments both be held at Busan at the same time
On July 05 2012 22:55 TheBamf wrote: "GSTL and GSL are being held in Busan.
This is my one chance to be in both the individual and team leagues in my hometown Busan. I think this might be a first and last chance for me as a progamer. I want to win both leagues in style in my hometown. "
What, is he considering retiring or am I missing something? Seems like a weird comment given his sucess, so I am trying to pinpoint other factors.
I thought that too but its probably just lost in translation I think he means "This is the only time I could try to win both leagues in my hometown" type of thing
I think this might be a first and last chance for me as a progamer. I want to win both leagues in style in my hometown.
Hope he just means he thinks that GSL is stacked and that zerg will be nerfed, not that he thinks he will fall from the top. It would be perfect though for him to win both the GSL and him to help his team to win GSTL in his hometown.... I mean after that, what do you give the man who has everything?
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I thought that too but its probably just lost in translation I think he means "This is the only time I could try to win both leagues in my hometown" type of thing
Ah yeah that seems most likely, it really is an amazing chance for him.
On July 05 2012 22:55 TheBamf wrote: "GSTL and GSL are being held in Busan.
This is my one chance to be in both the individual and team leagues in my hometown Busan. I think this might be a first and last chance for me as a progamer. I want to win both leagues in style in my hometown. "
What, is he considering retiring or am I missing something? Seems like a weird comment given his sucess, so I am trying to pinpoint other factors.
Mandatory South Korean military service of course. Also what someone said earlier about winning both in his hometown.
I love how Naniwa is immediately on this thread to see what DRG had to say about him--prepping as much as he can. I'm conflicted: epic Busan finals for DRG or foreigner hope?
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
That one is a PR nightmare. Flaming MC/DRG/Nestea/EG. No idea what he is thinking when he says those things.
Naniwa flames everyone if he is in a bad mood even the tournament organisers(MLG).
He is such a good player but he just crushes his own reputation with all those comments he made in the past and present. No idea why he do those stuff unless he wants attention.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
The difference is that DRG is a fun and funny guy and BM's with good humor, whereas Naniwa..
DRG has been my favorite player since last year, if he Nani wasnt play DRG I would be rooting for him becuase hes a foreigner, but Naniwa would be the last foreigner i would want to win a GSL
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
That one is a PR nightmare. Flaming MC/DRG/Nestea/EG. No idea what he is thinking when he says those things.
Naniwa flames everyone if he is in a bad mood even the tournament organisers(MLG).
He is such a good player but he just crushes his own reputation with all those comments he made in the past and present. No idea why he do those stuff unless he wants attention.
I don't think its attention. I think its just...he doesn't think its wrong. Some people just aren't good socially. Skill wise I will give you that he is good. Socially.. :/
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
You must feel like such a success compared to Naniwa right? No.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
I don't think it quite compares to situations like Nestea's outrage when Naniwa said he did something idiotic, and I guarantee in every team house when someone loses a game they say "fuck this guy, fuck this unit" The only difference with Naniwa is that he acts the same around everyone rather than putting on a PR mask. I'm cool with that.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
On July 05 2012 22:55 TheBamf wrote: "GSTL and GSL are being held in Busan.
This is my one chance to be in both the individual and team leagues in my hometown Busan. I think this might be a first and last chance for me as a progamer. I want to win both leagues in style in my hometown. "
What, is he considering retiring or am I missing something? Seems like a weird comment given his sucess, so I am trying to pinpoint other factors.
unlikely that both the GSL and GSTL finals will be held in Busan again, perhaps
The difference between naniwa's bm and someone like DRG/Stephano/MC is that the former is crazy serious about the game and tries really hard, so the same words coming from Naniwa would be taken way more seriously. He is not known for joking around and friendly BM, like DRG.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact. Read interviews, all agree Z v P is not affected.
He is A top protoss player, one of the top 5 or 8 or so overall and the best foreigner protoss. The top players don't need to get together and agree on something before anyone says anything, I'm cool with them being unique and having differing opinions.
It is not double standard because DRGs results shows he is the clear favorite. Say Naniwa was to play Destiny and he said the same thing as DRG, no one would think twice about it. But if Destiny said that about playing Naniwa, people would laugh at him. This doesn't mean it is double standard.
The funny thing he, Naniwa was talking shit about Jinro because making 'Ro4' was easier a year ago. But in competition, everything is relative. You could argue it is actually easier for foreigners NOW because of the infrastructure in place and Koreans being on foreign teams. You cannot just look at the technical game play aspect. That is like saying qualifying for an BW OSL now is a bigger acheivement then when Boxer winning it 10 years ago.
On July 05 2012 23:27 polyphonyEX wrote: He's entitled to his opinion. You're not a pro, so shut up please.
Why so aggressive? Teamliquid is a place for opinions. You attacking posters isn't a opinion. Reported.
'shut up' isn't being aggressive. It's advice.
You don't know better than Naniwa, so don't presume you do. This is silly.
Its being aggressive. Please choose your words wisely is a advice. And you probably don't understand what I am saying when I say other TOP protoss players say Z v P is not affected by queen buff. I even used the shift key for you bro.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact. Read interviews, all agree Z v P is not affected.
He is A top protoss player, one of the top 5 or 8 or so overall and the best foreigner protoss. The top players don't need to get together and agree on something before anyone says anything, I'm cool with them being unique and having differing opinions.
If he looses 3-0 no shame in that. He will devote 100% of his time to PvZ now. Too bad Curious is the only TOP zerg on the team. Not sure how much July can play similar style as DRG. But I can see him and SaSe trying to find a new timing that can win him a map or 2.
On July 05 2012 23:27 polyphonyEX wrote: He's entitled to his opinion. You're not a pro, so shut up please.
Why so aggressive? Teamliquid is a place for opinions. You attacking posters isn't a opinion. Reported.
'shut up' isn't being aggressive. It's advice.
You don't know better than Naniwa, so don't presume you do. This is silly.
Its being aggressive. Please choose your words wisely is a advice. And you probably don't understand what I am saying when I say other TOP protoss players say Z v P is not affected by queen buff. I even used the shift key for you bro.
Guess what? Naniwa is also a top protoss player. He can have his own opinion, too!
On July 05 2012 23:27 polyphonyEX wrote: He's entitled to his opinion. You're not a pro, so shut up please.
Why so aggressive? Teamliquid is a place for opinions. You attacking posters isn't a opinion. Reported.
'shut up' isn't being aggressive. It's advice.
You don't know better than Naniwa, so don't presume you do. This is silly.
Its being aggressive. Please choose your words wisely is a advice. And you probably don't understand what I am saying when I say other TOP protoss players say Z v P is not affected by queen buff. I even used the shift key for you bro.
Guess what? Naniwa is also a top protoss player. He can have his own opinion, too!
Yes he can. One protoss player = Naniwa against the words of All other top protoss players = players apart from naniwa. I would say I go with the rest. Thank you very much. I am glad we can agree. Thank you for not being aggressive. I like friendly conversations.
On July 05 2012 23:28 zefreak wrote: The difference between naniwa's bm and someone like DRG/Stephano/MC is that the former is crazy serious about the game and tries really hard, so the same words coming from Naniwa would be taken way more seriously. He is not known for joking around and friendly BM, like DRG.
You act like DRG/MC don't take the game not as serious and don't try as hard...
On July 05 2012 22:52 Naniwa wrote: its ok, i know im the underdog we will see how it goes.
Damn you Naniwa. Why did you have to face him in Ro8 You and DRG are my favorite players for this season and now one of you will not continue to the finals
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
dude get out with your naniwa hate. your posts are terrible, you have no idea what you're talking about.
On July 05 2012 23:28 zefreak wrote: The difference between naniwa's bm and someone like DRG/Stephano/MC is that the former is crazy serious about the game and tries really hard, so the same words coming from Naniwa would be taken way more seriously. He is not known for joking around and friendly BM, like DRG.
You act like DRG/MC don't take the game not as serious and don't try as hard...
They take is as serious, but they aren't as serious personality wise. That is of course what I meant.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
Except getting to Ro8 GSL few times in a row also makes Naniwa a top protoss player. You acting like he isn't is not changing this fact.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
dude get out with your naniwa hate. your posts are terrible, you have no idea what you're talking about.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
dude get out with your naniwa hate. your posts are terrible, you have no idea what you're talking about.
No offense man, but I think you just don't know how to read what I am saying.
Here is a summary Naniwa opinion : Queen buff ruined z v p Other top protoss opinion: Queen buff doesn't affect Z v P. You are welcome.
On July 05 2012 22:52 Naniwa wrote: its ok, i know im the underdog we will see how it goes.
DRG has shown several times this season, that he is vulnerable. I think you have a good chance if you find some nice timings to throw him off. Of course maps will play a huge role here, but you'll have a fair chance. GOGO for it
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
dude get out with your naniwa hate. your posts are terrible, you have no idea what you're talking about.
he's making it far too personal, that's for sure
All this talk about e-sports and its not okay to dislike a player? lol. You should watch football, one example being manchester united/city rivalry. If you want to talk about sc2 being a esports game, THAT is how much you should be emotionally invested in a team/player.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Well, except that those people Naniwa shit on aren't exactly his ffriends, or friends of his friends...he's got none in the pro-scene(bar Sase)...
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Well, except that those people Naniwa shit on aren't exactly his ffriends, or friends of his friends...he's got none in the pro-scene(bar Sase)...
Yeah, I have no problem with them legitimately hating each other either, it all adds to the fun.
On July 05 2012 22:44 Darneck wrote: If DRG beats Naniwa then Naniwa is probably gonna have been eliminated from Ro8 by the 2 players that goes on to win those seasons
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Well, except that those people Naniwa shit on aren't exactly his ffriends, or friends of his friends...he's got none in the pro-scene(bar Sase)...
Yeah, I have no problem with them legitimately hating each other either, it all adds to the fun.
-_-
Hate never adds fun...where have you been living all this time?
On July 05 2012 23:42 ragz_gt wrote: WTF with all the Nani post??! Did he won group D or something?
Read the OP. That's why you're here anyway, isn't it? :p
Yeah, I read that DRG is confident against Naniwa, and that Naniwa posted that he is OK as being the underdog. What I don't get is what Naniwa's personality and opinion has to do with this thread?
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Well, except that those people Naniwa shit on aren't exactly his ffriends, or friends of his friends...he's got none in the pro-scene(bar Sase)...
Yeah, I have no problem with them legitimately hating each other either, it all adds to the fun.
-_-
Hate never adds fun...where have you been living all this time?
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
If you're walking along the side of the highway with a jerrycan of gasoline, and a passing policeman identifies you as a known arsonist, you can expect to have to answer some questions. That isn't a double standard. That's just how it is.
Same thing for DRG and Naniwa. Different players, different histories, different attitudes. Naniwa's shown a lot of improvement in all areas, including attitude imo, but he still has a history that he created that follows him around. That's his own fault and his own problem. DRG doesn't have that controversial history, and it's not because DRG was shown some sort of favoritism.
Besides the question of attitude, it's just a fact that DRG is favored. DRG knows it, Naniwa knows it. If Naniwa came out and said he could do anything against DRG and win, Naniwa would just be undermining his own credibility.
Let Naniwa play for two years without any manners controversy, plus establishing a record for good manners, plus let him get to the point that he's heavily favored in a matchup. Then if he says something like that about another player, nobody's going to "explode with rage", because at that point, he'll just be saying what time it is - much like DRG is now.
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For what it's worth, I think Naniwa's doing a lot better personally and professionally these days, and that he'll give DRG some pretty decent games. I don't favor Naniwa to win, but I don't think DRG's just going to steamroll.
Nor do I think DRG is expecting to steamroll. I think DRG knows Naniwa has to be taken seriously, even if DRG considers that he himself is favored to win.
On July 05 2012 23:42 ragz_gt wrote: WTF with all the Nani post??! Did he won group D or something?
Read the OP. That's why you're here anyway, isn't it? :p
Yeah, I read that DRG is confident against Naniwa, and that Naniwa posted that he is OK as being the underdog. What I don't get is what Naniwa's personality and opinion has to do with this thread?
Haters will hate .... Naniwa took a couple of seconds to answer by himself and posted here, this is rare enough for everyone to comment about. Shocking news .... things aren't always used for what they are meant.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
dude get out with your naniwa hate. your posts are terrible, you have no idea what you're talking about.
he's making it far too personal, that's for sure
All this talk about e-sports and its not okay to dislike a player? lol. You should watch football, one example being manchester united/city rivalry. If you want to talk about sc2 being a esports game, THAT is how much you should be emotionally invested in a team/player.
In that case I think you've got it backwards. City/United fans can hate eachother to the point of actual harm being caused to the opposite sides fans, if anything it's regular sports that would be a better place if people wasn't so hateful. Let's not pull esports into this neverending spiral as well please.
Sure, DRG is one of the absolutely best players around, but a statement like that.. if Nani said anything even close to that there would be 1000 shitstorms.. -______-
Even though I really like DRG, I hope Nani can put him in place! <3
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
So what? He is a top protoss player and his opinion carries exponentially more weight than anything you have to say.
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
dude get out with your naniwa hate. your posts are terrible, you have no idea what you're talking about.
he's making it far too personal, that's for sure
All this talk about e-sports and its not okay to dislike a player? lol. You should watch football, one example being manchester united/city rivalry. If you want to talk about sc2 being a esports game, THAT is how much you should be emotionally invested in a team/player.
In that case I think you've got it backwards. City/United fans can hate eachother to the point of actual harm being caused to the opposite sides fans, if anything it's regular sports that would be a better place if people wasn't so hateful. Let's not pull esports into this neverending spiral as well please.
I guess that is where we have different opinions. I have gotten into rows with city bastards, but that's what makes it so good when they face each other ain't it? The dislike of each other where you just don't want to lose to them. Manchester is red.
Is it the WCG or WCS qualifiers that they talk about in the Nestea interview? I thought they were still deciding on whether to include SC2 or not in WCG.
On July 05 2012 22:52 Naniwa wrote: its ok, i know im the underdog we will see how it goes.
DRG has shown several times this season, that he is vulnerable. I think you have a good chance if you find some nice timings to throw him off. Of course maps will play a huge role here, but you'll have a fair chance. GOGO for it
Several times? As in game one of today's game versus Ryung where Ryung played the best of his life? I cant think of another time he's looked vunerable in a major tournament since MLG Winter tournaments and the couple weeks that followed MLG columbus. Naniwa will only will win map and that will be because it will be on Entombed Valley.
On July 05 2012 22:22 storywriter wrote: I want to thank Happy for practising with me and also IMHirai. Today’s my lovely girlfriend’s birthday so I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to spend the day with her and dedicate my victory to her. I want to thank her for being so understanding and I want to say that I love her very much.
On July 05 2012 23:58 Coal wrote: Sure, DRG is one of the absolutely best players around, but a statement like that.. if Nani said anything even close to that there would be 1000 shitstorms.. -______-
Even though I really like DRG, I hope Nani can put him in place! <3
His place is as the best player in the world, and Naniwa hasnt won a GSL and two MLG's this year.
Today’s my lovely girlfriend’s birthday so I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to spend the day with her and dedicate my victory to her. I want to thank her for being so understanding and I want to say that I love her very much.
Keep calm and carry on. A few playful words back and forth doesn't mean anything. I've read plenty of post Code-S interviews where players say something to playfully taunt the other player. Let the keyboard and mouse do the real talking. We aren't the players, we aren't in their shoes, we watch the games. As fans of these players, just cheer for them!
So he is better then other top protoss players? I would say if we count numbers, all top protoss players agree that z v p isn't affected by queens. Protoss ladder players lose just because they are bad but they can't accept that fact so jump on the queen buff made zerg op train. Read interviews, all TOP players agree Z v P is not affected by queens. Only naniwa agrees with you.
Could you point me to the interview he talked about it? I´m interested in what he have to say about the match-up.
DRG is fun, he's right to hype the game. Even if I prefer DRG to naniwa as a player, I'm rooting for nani because he's the foreigner hope! On the other side if he wins this match the LR threads including naniwa will reach the quality of those including stephano, a huge fight between fanboys & haters.
I would've given Naniwa a 50/50 shot against Nestea but no way that he's gonna beat DRG . I really want him to though so I hope he works some magic on his PvZ.
I think the better man will win, drg v nani. I think DRG's statement was confident, not necessarily BM. It's funny, implications tend to be better received by the community. It's unfair of us, and I'll start re-evaluating my stances on that in the future.
The Nestea interview was honest, it was nice to see.
Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
Very nice to see DRG speaking from his heart and not worrying about being humble, and that's not sarcastic... It's refreshing. It's nice to respect people and say they have a fighting chance, but it's much more exciting to add a pinch of drama to it. So if Nani wins the series, or keeps it close, it just makes it that much better. Then if DRG sweeps Nani, we all oooo and aaaah at his prediction.
On July 06 2012 02:43 CidO wrote: Very nice to see DRG speaking from his heart and not worrying about being humble, and that's not sarcastic... It's refreshing. It's nice to respect people and say they have a fighting chance, but it's much more exciting to add a pinch of drama to it. So if Nani wins the series, or keeps it close, it just makes it that much better. Then if DRG sweeps Nani, we all oooo and aaaah at his prediction.
I'll be watching! :D
I agree with you. It causes more drama in the game. I don't think DRG is thinking of him as a easy opponent just trying to hype the game.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Except you know, naniwa whines publicly? He has been saying Koreans are against him and that zerg is op. And the queen buff actually cause protoss to have trouble. I mean seriously if he is terran I would agree, protoss?? Queens don't affect the P v Z match up, top protoss players agree. He is the only one who says it.
Riiiight that's why no protoss but MC can reliably hold the roach max even though they know it's coming. Not parting. Not Squirtle. Not Naniwa. Stronger queens limit protoss agro just like terran. Agro neccesary to limit zerg's exponential growth. Stronger queen is lynchpin to zerg whole economy.
And for your information Genius said it was too strong and zerg need -1 larva now. So you're wrong about no other pros besides nani.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
I think you're taking it a bit too seriously ... I'm little taken aback by DRG's kinda arrogant words too, he was always very manner and humble in the early days of GSL..
Maybe he's metagaming a bit and trying to scare Naniwa, I'm pretty sure DRG will practice like a madman still, he wants to win these finals a lot.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
HAHAHAHA this is the first time I've seen DRG described as disgusting.
Are you one of those people who emails sponsors that reddit is always going on about?
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
In group play he wanted to face Protoss and Terran not a Zerg. We know his Zerg is the weakest. I do feel bad for Naniwa that he has to face DongRaeGu in the group of 8. Even if Naniwa does lose he has been super impressive in GSL.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Well, except that those people Naniwa shit on aren't exactly his ffriends, or friends of his friends...he's got none in the pro-scene(bar Sase)...
Lol are you stupid? DRG and Naniwa are even very good mates. Obviously his relation with SaSe is bigger than everybody elses because they live together and are swedish, But everybody who follows Naniwa are well aware that he has a lot of friends in the scene (MorroW, Select, Sjow, Khaldor, Tails, PartinG, Squirtle, White-Ra etc.). Don't come and spread stupid BS like that.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
Well, except that those people Naniwa shit on aren't exactly his ffriends, or friends of his friends...he's got none in the pro-scene(bar Sase)...
Lol are you stupid? DRG and Naniwa are even very good mates. Obviously his relation with SaSe is bigger than everybody elses because they live together and are swedish, But everybody who follows Naniwa are well aware that he has a lot of friends in the scene (MorroW, Select, Sjow, Khaldor, Tails, PartinG, Squirtle, White-Ra etc.). Don't come and spread stupid BS like that.
Meh,, i stopped reading your post when i saw where you were coming from(which as you may have noticed means i haven't read your post at all)...fanboys -_-
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
In group play he wanted to face Protoss and Terran not a Zerg. We know his Zerg is the weakest. I do feel bad for Naniwa that he has to face DongRaeGu in the group of 8. Even if Naniwa does lose he has been super impressive in GSL.
He could go all the way if the three zergs wernt in his way. PvP is sorta random at the tippy top. One week MC will shut out Squitle next week vis versa. SO he could take MC and Seed. He's probably the second best PvTer so I think he beats Taeja and Byun. But no way he beats these Zergs. MC will have to do it.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.
Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
In group play he wanted to face Protoss and Terran not a Zerg. We know his Zerg is the weakest. I do feel bad for Naniwa that he has to face DongRaeGu in the group of 8. Even if Naniwa does lose he has been super impressive in GSL.
He could go all the way if the three zergs wernt in his way. PvP is sorta random at the tippy top. One week MC will shut out Squitle next week vis versa. SO he could take MC and Seed. He's probably the second best PvTer so I think he beats Taeja and Byun. But no way he beats these Zergs. MC will have to do it.
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
Some ppl at high level say things to get thier mind right. Inside they may not be confident but if you keep telling yourself nothing going to stand in my way it helps them. Least that's how I take it.
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
lol whos creator and whats he won?
Bank accounts and golds speak for themselves. MC has most of 2010, 2011 and 2012 so far. And as much as next 5 behind him combined.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
I think you're sort of hanging on his every word here and this kind of reaction is why things get blown out of proportion. People need to remember that the collective community puts far more thought and analysis into what players say than the players themselves. For every sentence a pro says entire pages are written by us. What is easily just a little quip for them is translated and taken out of context by a massive number of people.
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
Creator is simply not accomplished enough to even be considered for number 1 protoss...he's not even close. Sure, achievements aren't EVERYTHING but to be considered the "best" you need something to actually back it up.
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
How on Earth do you justify having Creator above MC, Squirtle and Parting?
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.
Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.
Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.
When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started. "I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
I think you're sort of hanging on his every word here and this kind of reaction is why things get blown out of proportion. People need to remember that the collective community puts far more thought and analysis into what players say than the players themselves. For every sentence a pro says entire pages are written by us. What is easily just a little quip for them is translated and taken out of context by a massive number of people.
You have a point there. Might also be a translation issue. Also, we can't say anything about intonation and HOW he said things, That is why I used expressions like "Either the interview is a tad misleading" or "was quoted". Actually I did not post this to launch a personal assault on DRG, but rather to defend Naniwa in some sense. But overall: You have a point.
"I can do whatever I want and still win. That’s all I have to say. "
Maybe its translation, maybe there is something we dont know about with him and Naniwa. Either way (coming from a fanboy) i think its a badass thing to say.
I think it would be sick if Nestea helped Nani train for the DRG match so that they could meet in the finals but sadly I don't think it's going to happen...
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
Creator is simply not accomplished enough to even be considered for number 1 protoss...he's not even close. Sure, achievements aren't EVERYTHING but to be considered the "best" you need something to actually back it up.
+/- 2 spots for everyone :p
When Creator plays well its amazing, I don't know. I don't get quite the same feel from Parting or Squirtle. MC is different completely though, but he hasn't come close to a final in a long time. I'm more concerned about who is considered a top protoss than the ranks within that group. Right now my favorite is Creator, but I'd rather not debate to heavily about a list I made in 3 or 4 minutes and put 0% of my heart and soul into.
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
How on Earth do you justify having Creator above MC, Squirtle and Parting?
Probably because Naniwa said he's the best Protoss :p.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.
Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.
Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.
When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started. "I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?
Calling Nestea trash and acting like a douche after defeating him isn't arrogant? Claiming your double Ro8 is more impressive than a previous foreigner because "It was easy back then, and he sucks now" isn't arrogant? Probe rushing a "rival" (who you called trash) because you don't deem the match worthy isn't arrogant?
I could go on, but I think I've made my point... DRG is confident because he deserves to be confident. This is NaNi's worst matchup and arguably DRGs best. DRG is a champion and NaNi's only accomplishment recently is Ro8 in GSL.
If anything, the comment was a dig at NaNi for always being so arrogant towards other Koreans.
On July 06 2012 01:30 Psychobabas wrote: Go Naniwa!!!
Best Protoss!
hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
On July 06 2012 02:16 Olinim wrote: [quote] hmm...wat?
Naniwa hater?
Questioning someone's claim that Naniwa is the best Protoss in the world (LOL) does not make him a hater.
I think MC holds that imo..but best player is subjective.
Both MC and Squirtle are definitely better than Naniwa, and Parting is a strong contender for 3rd.
I agree I would say Naniwa is in the top 5 though .
how generic: who is 4th then?
I would say right now 1.Creator 2.MC 3.Squirtle 4.Parting 5.Puzzle 6.Hero 7.Naniwa
+/- a place or two for everyone.
But I do consider him up there. Before I said top 5 or top 8ish but didn't bother to actually go through and list them, but those 7 are what I consider the top protoss with a large dropoff after that.
Seed I don't know about because he was never remarkable before this season.
How on Earth do you justify having Creator above MC, Squirtle and Parting?
Probably because Naniwa said he's the best Protoss :p.
Like I said, Seed wasn't anybody before this season. Everyone else on the list has had a strong presence for at least 2 seasons. And I only care about GSL/GSTL achievements so I don't care to rank SaSe.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
This. That all-in is godlike when executed perfectly. Macro won't save DRG.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
This. That all-in is godlike when executed perfectly. Macro won't save DRG.
If nestea crushed this push, i'm pretty sure DRG will do the same.
Storywriter's translation is correct but what DRG said sounds somewhat more nuanced. To me what he said comes off like:
You will face Naniwa in ro8
I am not sure how things will pan out but in any case I feel like I will win in the end. I don't want to say anything more than that because I don't want any drama (knowing dramas between Naniwa and Nestea).
He said it more compact so the translation doesn't convey the nuance.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.
Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.
Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.
When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started. "I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?
Lol, ok what I got out of all that is Naniwa can disrespect anyone and act arrogant, but it's just being "honest" according to you. I guess by your logic, Naniwa has been an angel his entire time since he's such a nice and honest guy. I can't believe you actually said you don't remember a time naniwa's been disrespectful or arrogant, or when the 100s of examples are brought up you try to hide behind a non-intent excuse. What DRG said is benign compared to what naniwa has said his entire career. No point in debating someone with such a viewpoint.
Interesting that DRG feels so confident against Naniwa. But then again that's how a lot of koreans feel against foreigners, even though we all know foreigners can hold their own. That's ok, if anything it gives Naniwa an edge.
On July 06 2012 01:44 Logros wrote: I would've given Naniwa a 50/50 shot against Nestea but no way that he's gonna beat DRG . I really want him to though so I hope he works some magic on his PvZ.
Naniwa really would only have a 50/50 chance against Nestea in a tournament such at MLG or IPL and the like as Nestea doesnt have very good endurance in those tournaments (IPL4 showed it big time). But put them both in GSL settings with time to study Nestea gets the major advantage. On the other hand DRG is able to do very well in both styles of tournaments so I wouldnt even give him a 50/50 chance against DRG
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
This. That all-in is godlike when executed perfectly. Macro won't save DRG.
It's not a "Godlike" unbeatable push. If you scout it and prepare accordingly you can completely demolish it. Only reason it seems "Godlike" and "Unbeatable" is because zergs get caught committing way too much to roaches and dont have the tech necessary to defend it as the push is really strong against the pure roach or large roach with lings mixed in style
On July 06 2012 05:10 usethis2 wrote: Storywriter's translation is correct but what DRG said sounds somewhat more nuanced. To me what he said comes off like:
I am not sure how things will pan out but in any case I feel like I will win in the end. I don't want to say anything more than that because I don't want any drama (knowing dramas between Naniwa and Nestea).
He said it more compact so the translation doesn't convey the nuance.
Nope. Storywriter has it right.
DRG's personality is to be blunt and to straight to the point. Clearly DRG is excited to face NaNiwa but he most certainly also wants to entice him before facing him
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.
Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.
Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.
When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started. "I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?
Lol, ok what I got out of all that is Naniwa can disrespect anyone and act arrogant, but it's just being "honest" according to you. I guess by your logic, Naniwa has been an angel his entire time since he's such a nice and honest guy. I can't believe you actually said you don't remember a time naniwa's been disrespectful or arrogant, or when the 100s of examples are brought up you try to hide behind a non-intent excuse. What DRG said is benign compared to what naniwa has said his entire career. No point in debating someone with such a viewpoint.
The last sentence was in your post was completely unnecessary. I do indeed understand the argumentation brought up against what I wrote. And to some extend, they are right. But my point is not that Naniwa is an angel or DRG an asshole. It is rather that Naniwa has always been consistent in his (bad mannered?) behaviour, but I do not feel that is related to him thinking that he is the best, cooles, most awesome person ever (read overconfidence, arrogance) and that everybody else (his opponents) are trash (AFAIR Naniwa did not want to say that Nestea is trash in that MLG interview, but rather say that he did a bad move. He just ill-worded it. Probe rush was rage rather meant to insult a player.). I believe Naniwa knows where he stands in terms of skill.
So to sum it up: I never said Naniwa is an angel. I never said he is nice. He may be akward, blunt, even arrogant. But I have the impression that is arrogance is just a means to deal with certain unpleasant things rather than a sign of him believing he is the uber-baller. Actually, I neither worded his behaviour "honest" nor said that his behaviour was right. I never said that I like Naniwa as a person or that I find him sympathetic.
The reason why I actually started taking the position was, that somebody wanted to excuse DRG's statements by saying "But Naniwa did this and that and there everybody finds it 'real' and 'authentic'". However, that should not be a justification for others being "arrogant". Somebody wondered why no one seems to care about Naniwa being "BM", but everybody getting mad at DRG. The reason I see: Given what kind of a cool guy DRG seemed to be, this interview was really irritating and upsetting to some people, including me. It felt like having been deceived. And being disappointed weighs often harder than having to deal with the constant and consistent difficult to like behaviour of "bad boys" like Naniwa. With regards to this, I am glad that somebody posted a more nuanced version of this statement. Apologies for jumping on DRG so quickly.
So, I hope this clears things up a bit. Yet my points still stand (on a more general basis though). You may bother to read this, you may bother to get what I am trying to say here and see my point - as I do see yours (and those of others debating my statements), but what I do demand is not to brush somebody off by saying "can't debate with such people anyways." Thanks.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is definitely not a couple tier below DRG in ZvP. And they do play a pretty similar style, only drg plays mutas more often and has tweaked the mass roaches with drops, just like the TSL zergs.
And DRG loses to the immortal all-in just as hard as Stephano, so there might be a way for our little Swedish friend
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
Naniwa and DRG (or as my friends and I call him, DRmotherfuckingG) are my two favorite players, but I'm rooting for Nani all the way. DRG had his time, Nani deserves his!
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
I looked at Stephano's top 3 tournaments (in terms of monetary earnings): IPL 3, ESWC 2011, and IPL 4 Qualifiers.
The only top koreans he faced in each tournament were:
IPL 3: can't say any were top tier, best was TheStC ESWC 2011: Marineking IPL 4 qualifiers: TAiLS was the best
Honestly, I like Stephano, but the notion that he's one of the best players in the world is unfounded.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
Naniwa and DRG (or as my friends and I call him, DRmotherfuckingG) are my two favorite players, but I'm rooting for Nani all the way. DRG had his time, Nani deserves his!
Yeah, Symbol, Sniper, Shine and Revival are all better than Stephano because of their huge achievements....wait, they all pale compared to Stephano... Oh i got it now, they are korean and Stephano isn't...he must be weaker than them.
Every single korean respect Stephano, he's one of the most studied players in Korea(JD loves his play), MC, MKP and MVP and others said he was top 3 zerg in the world...will you excuse me, but i'd rather follow their opinion than that of a random poster in a forum :p
STOP HAVING OPINIONS THAT DON'T AGREE WITH MY OPINION
Player rankings are always subjective and usually bias, it's impossible to know who's where, compare players who don't often meet eachother/play the same opponents etc. Getting mad at people who think other players are better is completely pointless.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
Naniwa and DRG (or as my friends and I call him, DRmotherfuckingG) are my two favorite players, but I'm rooting for Nani all the way. DRG had his time, Nani deserves his!
Yeah, Symbol, Sniper, Shine and Revival are all better than Stephano because of their huge achievements....wait, they all pale compared to Stephano... Oh i got it now, they are korean and Stephano isn't...he must be weaker than them.
Every single korean respect Stephano, he's one of the most studied players in Korea(JD loves his play), MC, MKP and MVP and others said he was top 3 zerg in the world...will you excuse me, but i'd rather follow their opinion than that of a random poster in a forum :p
I believe he was counting Dreamhack which was less than a month ago.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
Naniwa and DRG (or as my friends and I call him, DRmotherfuckingG) are my two favorite players, but I'm rooting for Nani all the way. DRG had his time, Nani deserves his!
Yeah, Symbol, Sniper, Shine and Revival are all better than Stephano because of their huge achievements....wait, they all pale compared to Stephano... Oh i got it now, they are korean and Stephano isn't...he must be weaker than them.
That's a bit unfair, no? To compare Symbol and the rest of these Korean Zerg's to Stephano's achievements. Just because they don't attend foreign tournaments doesn't mean Stephano is automatically better than them. Symbol took 2nd in Iron Squid (A tournament where Stephano dropped out on) and is currently in Ro8 of the GSL, which I think is a huge achievement.
The other Zergs are pretty damn good Zergs as evident in the GSTL.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
Man, he's so bad... Yeah, definitely bad...
Never said he was BAD.
The last two tourneys he played were: Dreamhack and Red Bull Battlegrounds.
Dreamhack Open: Beat none of the people you noted Red Bull Battlegrounds: Lost to MC, but I he did beat Parting and Squirtle (not known for PvZ) Edit: Shit, forgot about Spring Championship. You're right, he did beat Alicia and JYP (lol top tier koreans).
If you want to be called a top two ZvP-er, as you called Stephano, you need to have consistent success in that field, which Stephano DOESN'T HAVE, especially against MC, who has a major win advantage over Stephano.
P.S. I like how you resort to major ad hominem when faced with a dissenting opinion
These are two polar opposite interviews. While DRG is booming with confidence, Nestea is being incredibly modest. I wonder which one makes it. DRG still has Symbol to go through.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
Man, he's so bad...
On July 06 2012 07:38 Lozos wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:09 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:01 DoctorDeath wrote:
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
Naniwa and DRG (or as my friends and I call him, DRmotherfuckingG) are my two favorite players, but I'm rooting for Nani all the way. DRG had his time, Nani deserves his!
Yeah, Symbol, Sniper, Shine and Revival are all better than Stephano because of their huge achievements....wait, they all pale compared to Stephano... Oh i got it now, they are korean and Stephano isn't...he must be weaker than them.
That's a bit unfair, no? To compare Symbol and the rest of these Korean Zerg's to Stephano's achievements. Just because they don't attend foreign tournaments doesn't mean Stephano is automatically better than them. Symbol took 2nd in Iron Squid (A tournament where Stephano dropped out on) and is currently in Ro8 of the GSL, which I think is a huge achievement.
The other Zergs are pretty damn good Zergs as evident in the GSTL.
No, it isn't unfair since all those zergs haven't been hyped by proplayers as Stephano has been...It's not because zerg have had a huge buff and start being "notale terran players" that they became better than Stephano, it's just that Stephano doesn't have the chance to face everyday top korean players...
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
Man, he's so bad... Yeah, definitely bad...
Never said he was BAD.
The last two tourneys he played were: Dreamhack and Red Bull Battlegrounds.
Dreamhack Open: Beat none of the people you noted Red Bull Battlegrounds: Lost to MC, but I he did beat Parting and Squirtle (not known for PvZ)
If you want to be called a top two ZvP-er, as you called Stephano, you need to have consistent success in that field, which Stephano DOESN'T HAVE, especially against MC, who has a major win advantage over Stephano.
P.S. I like how you resort to major ad hominem when faced with a dissenting opinion
Would you have the kindness of giving me who the notable PvZer are: I guess i know the answer, it's either someone Stephano beat or haven't played :p
And against MC, on the last three tournaments(don't give me the HSC4 crap, he was drunk) he's 8-9...that's pretty good and MC is the best ZvPer in the world by far...
Yet again, you're wrong: the last two tourneys he played are MLG and Dreamhack, in which he beat JYP and Alicia(who are i believe known for having some decent PvZ), because we all know Parting and Squirtle are scrubs and Stephano only beat them because this is their weakest match-up..;
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
Naniwa and DRG (or as my friends and I call him, DRmotherfuckingG) are my two favorite players, but I'm rooting for Nani all the way. DRG had his time, Nani deserves his!
Yeah, Symbol, Sniper, Shine and Revival are all better than Stephano because of their huge achievements....wait, they all pale compared to Stephano... Oh i got it now, they are korean and Stephano isn't...he must be weaker than them.
Every single korean respect Stephano, he's one of the most studied players in Korea(JD loves his play), MC, MKP and MVP and others said he was top 3 zerg in the world...will you excuse me, but i'd rather follow their opinion than that of a random poster in a forum :p
Symbol is on a mad tear right now, I don't know where you've been. He's in GSL ro8, he took 2nd in Iron Squid and 2nd in MLG Spring Arena 2. The other Koreans I mentioned are killing it in GSTL.
And I don't know what tourny's you're looking at but Stephano came in 3rd in Dreamhack Summer for beating Keen and a bunch of foreigners and 5th/6th in MLG Spring Championship by beating some Koreans who are on a downward spiral, some of which I wouldn't even call middle tier. Or maybe you mean MLG Spring Arena where he did beat MC but got rocked by who? Violet and Symbol, the guy who has no achievements according to you.
EDIT forgot about Red Bull Lan, yes he did beat them MC and Squirtle, which is a great accomplishment, I'll give him that. But to say he's one of the best in the world is crazy.
I hope that somehow Naniwa can wipe the smirk off of DRG's face. I'm not sure if he can, but I'm hoping he will. I was hoping that Ryung would pull out a miracle and take DRG out, but it was not meant to be.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
rofl indeed.
Has Stephano had consistent success in beating Code S-tier protosses? I would say no.
He was torn-up by MC in their best of 7 or 9, beat by Mana (who isn't Code S) multiple times, and loses to top Korean protosses in tournaments.
Stop drinking the Stephano kool-aid. He's a top two foreigner with Naniwa but he just isn't on the same level as DRG.
Lost all credibility here(unless you start counting matches before ESWC or even before 2012 where Stephano's ZvP became strong in which case you're also wrong), you don't know shit about sc2, so i'm not even gonna bother answer this... And just to make you look even more stupid than you already do, here are the koreans stephano beat in the last two tourneys he played:
MC(2-0 and 2-3). Alicia(2-0) JYP(2-0) Parting(3-1) Squirtle(2-0)
Man, he's so bad...
On July 06 2012 07:38 Lozos wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:09 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:01 DoctorDeath wrote:
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
Naniwa and DRG (or as my friends and I call him, DRmotherfuckingG) are my two favorite players, but I'm rooting for Nani all the way. DRG had his time, Nani deserves his!
Yeah, Symbol, Sniper, Shine and Revival are all better than Stephano because of their huge achievements....wait, they all pale compared to Stephano... Oh i got it now, they are korean and Stephano isn't...he must be weaker than them.
Every single korean respect Stephano, he's one of the most studied players in Korea(JD loves his play), MC, MKP and MVP and others said he was top 3 zerg in the world...will you excuse me, but i'd rather follow their opinion than that of a random poster in a forum :p
Symbol is on a mad tear right now, I don't know where you've been. He's in GSL ro8, he took 2nd in Iron Squid and 2nd in MLG Spring Arena 2. The other Koreans I mentioned are killing it in GSTL.
And I don't know what tourny's you're looking at but Stephano came in 3rd in Dreamhack Summer for beating Keen and a bunch of foreigners and 5th/6th in MLG Spring Championship by beating some Koreans who are on a downward spiral, some of which I wouldn't even call middle tier. Or maybe you mean MLG Spring Arena where he did beat MC but got rocked by who? Violet and Symbol, the guy who has no achievements according to you.
EDIT forgot about Red Bull Lan, yes he did beat them MC and Squirtle, which is a great accomplishment, I'll give him that. But to say he's one of the best in the world is crazy.
All the progamers say otherwise...and their opinion is infinitely more relevant than yours
I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.
On July 06 2012 02:24 Dakure wrote: Wow I am completely outraged how little respect DRG has for other players. Really, DRG? Care to show a little more professionalism here? Wasn't it just last season that you were knocked out by some 14 year old and an old-timer Terran? I hope he gets crushed so he can realize just how arrogant and disgusting he really is.
lol drg just making and honest assesment. Nani is bad vs zerg. DRG is really good. Isnt keeping it real what we like about nani?
Naniwa has always been "keeping it real" - as you put, even back in the WC3 days. He always spoke his mind and showed emotions (mostly rage) without hesitation. However I do not remember him being disrespectful or overly arrogant. If he said something which might have been mistaken as disrespect, it was in the end just what he thought - without any intention to insult somebody. When he said he would win something, he did so because he was confident and because by rather objective judgement from his perspective would predict so.
The way DRG was quoted in this interview do not only resemble confidence, but arrogance. That is how I feel. The unpleasant thing about this is that I perceived DRG to be a nice guy. Either the interview is a tad misleading or DRG has appearantly changed for the worse. May be too much succes gotten to his head? No idea. But saying finals is no problem (This upsets me more than the Naniwa part tbh), is plain cocky.
The point is not that DRG behaves like this, but the fact that he seemed to be a nice, friendly guy - which totally contradicts the things said in this interview.
Wait what? You don't think Naniwa acts arrogantly at all? He has shown disrespect to his opponents before as well like wtf lol.
Also I am pretty sure it's confidence, it's DRG facing a foreign toss naniwa who's weakest match ups is PvZ. DRG is the best zerg player in the world right now with symbol being a close 2nd. He has every right to be confident, but to see what you just said O_O.
Okay, then I will be a bit more precise. If you are arrogant, it imo also involves looking down at others and believing in your own superiority. I really believe that whenever one perceives Naniwa as acting arrogantly, it is rather a lack of mannerism and self-control, than real arrogance or disrespect. If he says something along these lines, it seems (at least to me) that he does so out of emotions or because he objectively thinks so. When he says "I will win" or "I should win the tournament" it is probably because he considers himself to be in a good shape and his opponents skillwise inferior. But I do not believe that involves arrogance or disrespect.
When a once humble and nice DRG says something like "Finals should'nt be a problem" when playing in the hardest and most prestigeous SC2 tournament, it is imo no objective assessment of the situation. Sure DRG has a pretty good shot at winning the whole thing, but players have time to prepare and we have seen how PvT god Parting fell to MVP when had already claimed victory before the series had even started. "I have good chances to make it to the finals" VS "Finals are easy peasy, np." See the difference?
Lol, ok what I got out of all that is Naniwa can disrespect anyone and act arrogant, but it's just being "honest" according to you. I guess by your logic, Naniwa has been an angel his entire time since he's such a nice and honest guy. I can't believe you actually said you don't remember a time naniwa's been disrespectful or arrogant, or when the 100s of examples are brought up you try to hide behind a non-intent excuse. What DRG said is benign compared to what naniwa has said his entire career. No point in debating someone with such a viewpoint.
, but what I do demand is not to brush somebody off by saying "can't debate with such people anyways." Thanks.
Sorry for the last sentence then, it was not my intent......or was it However, I do disagree with everything you said in your rebuttal because your stance takes the assumption that naniwa is a social idiot who says things without thinking and he doesn't really mean to be disrespectful and arrogant. I like to give naniwa a little more credit and think naniwa knows exactly what he's saying and knows he's being disrespectful and arrogant, but he just doesn't care what others think about him.
See the diffrence b/w my stance and yours? You think naniwa does it unintentionally, so excuse his behaviour, while I think he does it intentionally because he just doesn't care what others think of him, so has no filter. Also, I don't care about the naniwa examples you gave such as "I will win" or "I'm going to win" this tournament because I don't really consider those things that arrogant because everyone thinks they're going to win a tournament and no one says I'm going to lose a tournament or I'm going to lose this match.
When I talk about his bm, I'm talking about things like how he tried to get nightend kicked from his team, how he called MLG a joke tournament live on stream, etc.
On July 06 2012 08:18 zefreak wrote: I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.
Zergs that I think are better than Stephano: DRG, Symbol, Nestea, Leenock, Sniper, Monster, Curious, viOlet, Freaky, Seal, LosirA, Shine, Annyeong, Monster, HyuN, Life, BB4, ByuL, Moon, CoCa
Protoss that I think are better than Naniwa: MC, Squirtle, Creator, Parting (maybe)
..... yeah. This shouldn't even be a question. Stephano should not be compared to Naniwa until he competes in the GSL.
On July 06 2012 08:18 zefreak wrote: I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.
Zergs that I think are better than Stephano: DRG, Symbol, Nestea, Leenock, Sniper, Monster, Curious, viOlet, Freaky, Seal, LosirA, Shine, Annyeong, Monster, HyuN, Life, BB4, ByuL, Moon, CoCa
Protoss that I think are better than Naniwa: MC, Squirtle, Creator, Parting (maybe)
..... yeah. This shouldn't even be a question. Stephano should not be compared to Naniwa until he competes in the GSL.
I don't think Naniwa is better than Genius, even if he beat him several times head to head. That's not how you determine who is a better player. Genius' PvT and PvZ is better than Naniwa's IMO, and his PvP might be better as well (he outplayed Naniwa in the final match but forgot colossus range, Naniwa should have died).
I also think Puzzle and Hero are better well-rounded, even if they aren't currently in ro8.
On July 06 2012 08:18 zefreak wrote: I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.
Zergs that I think are better than Stephano: DRG, Symbol, Nestea, Leenock, Sniper, Monster, Curious, viOlet, Freaky, Seal, LosirA, Shine, Annyeong, Monster, HyuN, Life, BB4, ByuL, Moon, CoCa
Protoss that I think are better than Naniwa: MC, Squirtle, Creator, Parting (maybe)
..... yeah. This shouldn't even be a question. Stephano should not be compared to Naniwa until he competes in the GSL.
On July 06 2012 08:18 zefreak wrote: I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.
Zergs that I think are better than Stephano: DRG, Symbol, Nestea, Leenock, Sniper, Monster, Curious, viOlet, Freaky, Seal, LosirA, Shine, Annyeong, Monster, HyuN, Life, BB4, ByuL, Moon, CoCa
Protoss that I think are better than Naniwa: MC, Squirtle, Creator, Parting (maybe)
..... yeah. This shouldn't even be a question. Stephano should not be compared to Naniwa until he competes in the GSL.
On July 06 2012 04:16 artosismermaid wrote: Naniwa here is what you need to do. Practice 100 games with stephano. Get Sase to teach you how to 2 base immortal all in. Profit.
Stephano is a couple of tiers below DRG to be honest. I don't think their styles are all that similar either.
DongRaeGu knows how to work a crowd and make everyone excited for a match, kind of like boxing or pro-wrestling. So does Naniwa, who even admitted that rivalries make fans interested in upcoming matches.
Stephano is top 5 zerg in the world, don't know what you're talkin' about...
and top two ZvP...
DRG, Nestea, Symbol, Violet, then a toss up between Sniper, Shine, Revival who have all been extremely good lately. Stephano is a top foreign zerg, but he doesn't do very well against mid-top tier Koreans.
I looked at Stephano's top 3 tournaments (in terms of monetary earnings): IPL 3, ESWC 2011, and IPL 4 Qualifiers.
The only top koreans he faced in each tournament were:
IPL 3: can't say any were top tier, best was TheStC ESWC 2011: Marineking IPL 4 qualifiers: TAiLS was the best
Honestly, I like Stephano, but the notion that he's one of the best players in the world is unfounded.
He places top 5 in every major tournament except GSL bro. He's a top 5 zerg, if only he wouldnt party so hard on saturday and be completely hung over for sunday =[
On July 06 2012 08:02 GhostLink wrote: These are two polar opposite interviews. While DRG is booming with confidence, Nestea is being incredibly modest. I wonder which one makes it. DRG still has Symbol to go through.
Also somebody said they are mad at DRG for being cocky and that hes changed on us. Actually at MLG Columbus he was asked if the Kespa players would ever be better than him in Sc2 and he said "No!! never" and he also said that he was going to take that championship and MKP was his only competition.
On July 06 2012 07:53 Ruscour wrote: STOP HAVING OPINIONS THAT DON'T AGREE WITH MY OPINION
Player rankings are always subjective and usually bias, it's impossible to know who's where, compare players who don't often meet eachother/play the same opponents etc. Getting mad at people who think other players are better is completely pointless.
On July 06 2012 08:02 GhostLink wrote: These are two polar opposite interviews. While DRG is booming with confidence, Nestea is being incredibly modest. I wonder which one makes it. DRG still has Symbol to go through.
Actually, it is Nestea, Byun, Seed, Symbol on one side and DRG, Nani, MC, Taeja on the other.
On July 06 2012 10:38 QuanticTheognis wrote: I thought Naniwa and DRG were decent friends since Nani spent some time in the MVP house. Lol.. regardless tho, I love the smack talk
I love the smack talk because it will bring out the best in both players in the series to come . They probably are decent friends. DRG seems like a nice guy.
On July 06 2012 10:38 QuanticTheognis wrote: I thought Naniwa and DRG were decent friends since Nani spent some time in the MVP house. Lol.. regardless tho, I love the smack talk
I love the smack talk because it will bring out the best in both players in the series to come . They probably are decent friends. DRG seems like a nice guy.
Agreed, this is going to get waaaay more competitive once Nani reads that
On July 06 2012 10:38 QuanticTheognis wrote: I thought Naniwa and DRG were decent friends since Nani spent some time in the MVP house. Lol.. regardless tho, I love the smack talk
I love the smack talk because it will bring out the best in both players in the series to come . They probably are decent friends. DRG seems like a nice guy.
Agreed, this is going to get waaaay more competitive once Nani reads that
On July 06 2012 07:51 Gladiator333 wrote: 1. MC 2. Squirtle 3. Seed 4. Genius 5. NaNiwa 6. Creator 7. HerO 8. PartinG 9. Oz 10. Puzzle
No way in motherfucking shit god damn hell is Naniwa ahead of Hero and Parting.
They got left behind.
I feel like Puzzle is too low and Seed is too high. Oz should also be at the bottom. Pains me to say that as a huge Oz fan, but hes been massively slumping lately. Though maybe qualifying for OSL is a sign of some resurgence :D
Anyone who doesnt include Stepahno in top 5 is out of thier mind. He has money in bank and golds that put hm in top 3. He finsihes always high in tounaments with plenty of Koreans. I'd say he's the #1 consistant player as well. His weakness is lack of mind games and mixing it up like a GSL champ like MC/Nestea/MVP but he'd still make a good run in every GSL if he could deal with 2 whole months spent chasing an inprobable 44K. Face it - GSL is strung out too long and is too hard for amount of money up for grabs and odds of taking it for mosr foeinergs to bother. Not to mention in a totally alien culture Can't fault him for that.
I admire nani for trying 'to be the best' but Stephano openly states he's a money man. Different strokes for different folks but you can't hold his non-GSL attendance against him IMO when internationally he matches up well vs top Koreans.
great interviews and entertaining matches though I am sad Ryung and Supernova couldn't go farther, I am glad Zerg is succeeding this season. A lot of the games were sloppy from all players, but still fun and some strong play was shown overall.
On July 05 2012 23:58 Coal wrote: Sure, DRG is one of the absolutely best players around, but a statement like that.. if Nani said anything even close to that there would be 1000 shitstorms.. -______-
Even though I really like DRG, I hope Nani can put him in place! <3
So weird the double standard people have in this community. Korean pros say jokey arrogant stuff about other players all the time, but if Naniwa says anything similar people assume he's 100% serious and BM. Imagine the shitstorm there would have been if Naniwa had danced his units when beating Genius, and yet Korean players (including DRG) dance their units all the time as well as dropping manner mules, making manners nexuses etc.
And lol at people trying to say DRG is usually humble- I've seen DRG say plenty of cocky things in other interviews.
There's nothing wrong with players talking smack sometimes and some of you need to realize Naniwa just does the same thing the Korean players do and stop acting so butthurt about him.
On July 05 2012 23:58 Coal wrote: Sure, DRG is one of the absolutely best players around, but a statement like that.. if Nani said anything even close to that there would be 1000 shitstorms.. -______-
Even though I really like DRG, I hope Nani can put him in place! <3
On July 06 2012 12:28 tomatriedes wrote: So weird the double standard people have in this community. Korean pros say jokey arrogant stuff about other players all the time, but if Naniwa says anything similar people assume he's 100% serious and BM. Imagine the shitstorm there would have been if Naniwa had danced his units when beating Genius, and yet Korean players (including DRG) dance their units all the time as well as dropping manner mules, making manners nexuses etc.
And lol at people trying to say DRG is usually humble- I've seen DRG say plenty of cocky things in other interviews.
There's nothing wrong with players talking smack sometimes and some of you need to realize Naniwa just does the same thing the Korean players do and stop acting so butthurt about him.
Uhhh there is no double standard in this scenario.
DRG is similar to MC. They said plenty of stuff that make people think they are cocky but in reality they are humble people. Those comments they make are for the sake of entertainment.(Idra said MC make many ceremonies on him but MC is a nice person in general).Same here with DRG smacktalking with Naniwa.
I agreed with you there is nothing wrong with players smack talking sometimes but the thing is Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and has created many controversial events and so on eventhough he has now improved in terms of skill and personality compare to the past. The bad history will always be there whereas DRG doesn't have any. That's why some people are butthurt about him or so you called it.
"So weird the double standard people have in this community. Korean pros say jokey arrogant stuff about other players all the time, but if Naniwa says anything similar people assume he's 100% serious and BM. Imagine the shitstorm there would have been if Naniwa had danced his units when beating Genius, and yet Korean players (including DRG) dance their units all the time as well as dropping manner mules, making manners nexuses etc."
Do you Naniwa fans even subscribe to his twitter? He makes a stink about every little thing, the guy lives for drama. When he says something stupid, he means it.
I like how his tweets during WCS UK were about how shameful it is that the prize pool and seeding was identical to Swedens, when if he followed that logic nobody would be seeded to the championships except for koreans. I don't see him complaining that sweden has the same prize money/seeding opportunities as Korea..
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
I don't care, I like Naniwa's attitude. When I play anything with friends or even friends of friends of friends we shit on each other and trash talk constantly. I wouldn't act any differently with the public watching. The correct response to someone trash talking you is to trash talk back or beat them, not to whine publicly.
You are playing a game with friends. He is playing this game as his full time career, as a living.
On July 06 2012 12:28 tomatriedes wrote: So weird the double standard people have in this community. Korean pros say jokey arrogant stuff about other players all the time, but if Naniwa says anything similar people assume he's 100% serious and BM. Imagine the shitstorm there would have been if Naniwa had danced his units when beating Genius, and yet Korean players (including DRG) dance their units all the time as well as dropping manner mules, making manners nexuses etc.
And lol at people trying to say DRG is usually humble- I've seen DRG say plenty of cocky things in other interviews.
There's nothing wrong with players talking smack sometimes and some of you need to realize Naniwa just does the same thing the Korean players do and stop acting so butthurt about him.
Pro players dance their units all the time, I don't think anyone would care if Naniwa did it. Cool off guys, it's not like that at all. Some pro gamers act arrogant, but that's because they've earned it.
On July 06 2012 08:18 zefreak wrote: I think Naniwa is top 10 protoss and Stephano is below DRG, Nestea and Symbol, maybe Life, Sniper and Violet as well, but very close. There are so many up and coming zergs in korea that Stephano can't afford to slack if he wants to stay in top 10.
Zergs that I think are better than Stephano: DRG, Symbol, Nestea, Leenock, Sniper, Monster, Curious, viOlet, Freaky, Seal, LosirA, Shine, Annyeong, Monster, HyuN, Life, BB4, ByuL, Moon, CoCa
Protoss that I think are better than Naniwa: MC, Squirtle, Creator, Parting (maybe)
..... yeah. This shouldn't even be a question. Stephano should not be compared to Naniwa until he competes in the GSL.
I think stephano should be rated higher honestly hes been consistently finishing top4 at the last few mlgs (with top code s koreans attending)
it is obvious that you are naniwa fanboy but come on this list of yours is just funny DRG(sure), Symbol(sure), Nestea(probably), Leenock(what has this guy done recently), Sniper(hes only good vs code a players), Monster(top 8 finish in foreign events), Curious(same if not worse than leenock), viOlet(i say hes around same level), Freaky(the guy whos played like 3 official gsl matches?), Seal(no), LosirA(no with his current condition), Shine(no), Annyeong(no), Monster(even if he appears twice on the list, still no lol), HyuN(nope), Life(maybe), BB4(nope), ByuL(nope), Moon(no), CoCa(maybe if stephano switch to terran)
Heh, whatever the PR and community wants them to be, they're all nice, normal guys when it comes down to it. A cocky comment in some interview doesn't really say anything about them, whether it's DRG or Naniwa.
While Naniwa's hard work has paid off already (two seasons of good Code S showings gotta count for something), I want him to take it all so badly. Obviously in Code S everyone works really hard and are more or less equally deserving, but Naniwa left everything behind for this. D:
'sides, back home in Sweden he's a hero to many of us, and having him win the most hyped league on the planet would be good for the growth of eSports here. Considering Swedish television has taken a lot of interest in it, there might be a chance something like that would make it into the news.
On a side note, if it turns out Naniwa has to wait til next season after all, I'm happy it ends against DRG who's likely to win it all. And rightfully so. It's a bit of a win-(semi)win situation heh.
On July 06 2012 12:28 tomatriedes wrote: So weird the double standard people have in this community. Korean pros say jokey arrogant stuff about other players all the time, but if Naniwa says anything similar people assume he's 100% serious and BM. Imagine the shitstorm there would have been if Naniwa had danced his units when beating Genius, and yet Korean players (including DRG) dance their units all the time as well as dropping manner mules, making manners nexuses etc.
And lol at people trying to say DRG is usually humble- I've seen DRG say plenty of cocky things in other interviews.
There's nothing wrong with players talking smack sometimes and some of you need to realize Naniwa just does the same thing the Korean players do and stop acting so butthurt about him.
Uhhh there is no double standard in this scenario.
DRG is similar to MC. They said plenty of stuff that make people think they are cocky but in reality they are humble people. Those comments they make are for the sake of entertainment.(Idra said MC make many ceremonies on him but MC is a nice person in general).Same here with DRG smacktalking with Naniwa.
I agreed with you there is nothing wrong with players smack talking sometimes but the thing is Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and has created many controversial events and so on eventhough he has now improved in terms of skill and personality compare to the past. The bad history will always be there whereas DRG doesn't have any. That's why some people are butthurt about him or so you called it.
Also, DRG is a GSL Champion.XD
When Naniwa says anything cocky, it's BM. When a Korean player says anything cocky or does BM ceremonies it's for the sake of entertainment. Why does Naniwa never get the benefit of the doubt like the Korean players? Naniwa's said plenty of humble things (like what he said in the first page of this thread about being the underdog) but haters like you choose to ignore those comments.
I find it strange this whole "naniwa" conversation is based off an assumption of what "would" happen...are people that desperate for human interaction they must have idiotic, irrelevant "arguments" on a forum.
Also, seems like DRG is talking some smack talk to Naniwa! Naniwa fighting! Prepare a ceremony will ya?
Btw when will Nestea have to go to the military? Don't you have to go by age 28 or something? (Rainbow, July, and Nada are all going) Or is there just a "milestone" at 28 (I read that you can delay military a few times, but for a price...)?
On July 06 2012 12:28 tomatriedes wrote: So weird the double standard people have in this community. Korean pros say jokey arrogant stuff about other players all the time, but if Naniwa says anything similar people assume he's 100% serious and BM. Imagine the shitstorm there would have been if Naniwa had danced his units when beating Genius, and yet Korean players (including DRG) dance their units all the time as well as dropping manner mules, making manners nexuses etc.
And lol at people trying to say DRG is usually humble- I've seen DRG say plenty of cocky things in other interviews.
There's nothing wrong with players talking smack sometimes and some of you need to realize Naniwa just does the same thing the Korean players do and stop acting so butthurt about him.
Uhhh there is no double standard in this scenario.
DRG is similar to MC. They said plenty of stuff that make people think they are cocky but in reality they are humble people. Those comments they make are for the sake of entertainment.(Idra said MC make many ceremonies on him but MC is a nice person in general).Same here with DRG smacktalking with Naniwa.
I agreed with you there is nothing wrong with players smack talking sometimes but the thing is Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and has created many controversial events and so on eventhough he has now improved in terms of skill and personality compare to the past. The bad history will always be there whereas DRG doesn't have any. That's why some people are butthurt about him or so you called it.
Also, DRG is a GSL Champion.XD
When Naniwa says anything cocky, it's BM. When a Korean player says anything cocky or does BM ceremonies it's for the sake of entertainment. Why does Naniwa never get the benefit of the doubt like the Korean players? Naniwa's said plenty of humble things (like what he said in the first page of this thread about being the underdog) but haters like you choose to ignore those comments.
I don't hate Naniwa btw. Just stating that Naniwa has a bad history whereas SC2 Korean player doesn't have any with a few exception(Byun,Coca,Choya).That's the reason. Also,Naniwa is a really blunt person like Idra.
On July 06 2012 14:31 lichter wrote: I think there is something akin to Godwin's law here on TL. I shall eponymously name it lichter's law:
"As a discussion on TL.net grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Naniwa or Idra approaches 1."
don't forget stephano...
Revised lichter-ghaleon law:
"As a discussion on TL.net grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Naniwa, Idra or Stephano approaches 1."
Yay! I'm published!
neat, stealing
To be frank, i remember seeing almost identical sentence on TL in 2010 (well regarding idra only back then).
Yea Idra's Law has been around for a while. I also remember seeing in either late 2010 or early 2011 back when I was still a lurker. tried searching for it but there are too many posts referencing Idra to find it >.>
On July 06 2012 14:31 lichter wrote: I think there is something akin to Godwin's law here on TL. I shall eponymously name it lichter's law:
"As a discussion on TL.net grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Naniwa or Idra approaches 1."
don't forget stephano...
Revised lichter-ghaleon law:
"As a discussion on TL.net grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Naniwa, Idra or Stephano approaches 1."
Yay! I'm published!
neat, stealing
To be frank, i remember seeing almost identical sentence on TL in 2010 (well regarding idra only back then).
Yea Idra's Law has been around for a while. I also remember seeing in either late 2010 or early 2011 back when I was still a lurker. tried searching for it but there are too many posts referencing Idra to find it >.>
On July 06 2012 14:31 lichter wrote: I think there is something akin to Godwin's law here on TL. I shall eponymously name it lichter's law:
"As a discussion on TL.net grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Naniwa or Idra approaches 1."
don't forget stephano...
Revised lichter-ghaleon law:
"As a discussion on TL.net grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Naniwa, Idra or Stephano approaches 1."
Yay! I'm published!
neat, stealing
To be frank, i remember seeing almost identical sentence on TL in 2010 (well regarding idra only back then).
Yea Idra's Law has been around for a while. I also remember seeing in either late 2010 or early 2011 back when I was still a lurker. tried searching for it but there are too many posts referencing Idra to find it >.>
I gave it a legit name though >.>
You guys get a +1.
Seriously though, NesTea will win this tournament.
On July 06 2012 17:10 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Nestea's got a gf! yay!
Also, seems like DRG is talking some smack talk to Naniwa! Naniwa fighting! Prepare a ceremony will ya?
Btw when will Nestea have to go to the military? Don't you have to go by age 28 or something? (Rainbow, July, and Nada are all going) Or is there just a "milestone" at 28 (I read that you can delay military a few times, but for a price...)?
I will be sad when Nestea has to go T_T
He has already served his military term few years back =)
If Naniwa wins over DongRaeGu, I hope he just play it cool without making some kind of cermony. That would be more baller than making a cermony becaues of smashtalk in an interview.
On July 06 2012 17:10 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Nestea's got a gf! yay!
Also, seems like DRG is talking some smack talk to Naniwa! Naniwa fighting! Prepare a ceremony will ya?
Btw when will Nestea have to go to the military? Don't you have to go by age 28 or something? (Rainbow, July, and Nada are all going) Or is there just a "milestone" at 28 (I read that you can delay military a few times, but for a price...)?
I will be sad when Nestea has to go T_T
He has already served his military term few years back =)
Naniwa's ceremony = magnet for shitstorm lol.
OMFG REALLY? I kept reading people asking about whether or not Nestea served it already, and kept seeing answers of people saying that he hasn't yet. No wonder Nestea hasn't talked about worrying about entering military service <3
On July 06 2012 17:10 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Nestea's got a gf! yay!
Also, seems like DRG is talking some smack talk to Naniwa! Naniwa fighting! Prepare a ceremony will ya?
Btw when will Nestea have to go to the military? Don't you have to go by age 28 or something? (Rainbow, July, and Nada are all going) Or is there just a "milestone" at 28 (I read that you can delay military a few times, but for a price...)?
I will be sad when Nestea has to go T_T
He has already served his military term few years back =)
Naniwa's ceremony = magnet for shitstorm lol.
OMFG REALLY? I kept reading people asking about whether or not Nestea served it already, and kept seeing answers of people saying that he hasn't yet. No wonder Nestea hasn't talked about worrying about entering military service <3
Wow this is awesome <3 thx for replying btw
iirc, he did it in a pretty bad timing which screw up his BW career. He was very good and up and coming player but then he did his service and when he came back everyone had just improved so much.and the game had changed. Like, imagine someone in the top from late 2010/early 2011 sc2 going away ~2 years and then jump into sc2 again. They would be so bad and probably not have a chance to catch up again. I think it was something like this that happened to da ZerGb0nG~~
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
That one is a PR nightmare. Flaming MC/DRG/Nestea/EG. No idea what he is thinking when he says those things.
Naniwa flames everyone if he is in a bad mood even the tournament organisers(MLG).
He is such a good player but he just crushes his own reputation with all those comments he made in the past and present. No idea why he do those stuff unless he wants attention.
I don't think its attention. I think its just...he doesn't think its wrong. Some people just aren't good socially. Skill wise I will give you that he is good. Socially.. :/
Haters gonna hate. Plus it's always fun to read them.
Naniwa is just extremely honest with what he feels. He's young, he'll learn, that it's better to not say some things in order to be called "socially skilled"...
On July 05 2012 23:11 Ccx55 wrote: If Naniwa was the one who said that, this forum would be exploding in rage.
Oh, the double standards.. Anyway, great play by DRG.
Well Naniwa has a history in BM-ing and also isn't that likeable compared to DRG.
That one is a PR nightmare. Flaming MC/DRG/Nestea/EG. No idea what he is thinking when he says those things.
Naniwa flames everyone if he is in a bad mood even the tournament organisers(MLG).
He is such a good player but he just crushes his own reputation with all those comments he made in the past and present. No idea why he do those stuff unless he wants attention.
I don't think its attention. I think its just...he doesn't think its wrong. Some people just aren't good socially. Skill wise I will give you that he is good. Socially.. :/
Haters gonna hate. Plus it's always fun to read them.
Naniwa is just extremely honest with what he feels. He's young, he'll learn, that it's better to not say some things in order to be called "socially skilled"...
Presenting a fake version of yourself to be called 'socially skilled' isn't...... Naniwa is fine.
Anyone that knows Naniwa from the wc3 times knows that this guy reeks of arrogance and has a gigantic ego, despite never winning anything of note till recently, meh.
EPT
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we will see how it goes.
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