We're shifting gears in our StarCraft II division, as we're signing one of the Swarm's most gifted European players, while waving goodbye to an old veteran and former Grand Champion meanwhile. Jonne "Protosser" Sotala will join forces with mousesports, becoming the new teammate of DreamHack Summer 2012 champion MaNa. The 18-year-old StarCraft II player from Finland has made an impact at this years DreamHack Summer by beating the favored ThorZaIN aswell as MaNa. Despite his name, Protosser is actually playing Zerg in SC2, while he has been fighting for Aiur in SCBW, and will be the second Zerg in mousesports besides biGs. While he is holding no major championship belt so far, we're very happy for the opportunity to work together with Jonne and let him become of the Europe's finest Zerg players. We're positive that he is able to become a feared competitor among the StarCraft II scene.
Statement Jonne "Protosser" Sotala: "I’m really happy to join mousesports. They have a lot of very good players and I’ve always had a lot of respect for the team. I’m glad get to be part of it now. They are the first well-known team I enter and I believe they will help me to get better as a player in the future. I will do my best to show great results in the upcoming tournaments and also want to thank mousesports and its sponsors GeIL, Razer, CardCoachess, Thortech, MEDION, Intel & Sansibar for giving me this opportunity."
You can find a brief interview with Protosser at the Team Razer Facebook page.
On the other hand, we're waving goodbye to Stefan "MorroW" Andersson, who has been a part of mousesports since StarCraft II Beta, as he joined the family in March 2010. Both parties agreed not to extend to contract, so MorroW becomes a Free Agent for now. Together with MorroW, we're looking back at his IEM gamescom championship, where he became the first major StarCraft II champion, aswell as his second place at Assembly Winter 2011 and his trip to Korea for GSL, not to mention the titles he has won with the SC2 squad in team tournaments. We would like to thank Stefan for the time in mousesports, all the events and matches he has played for the franchise during his contract period.
In his entire career for mousesports there has been only a few players who worked as hard and precise as MorroW - unfortunately with no real reward. We would like to wish him the best in his future career and hope he can catch up to his performances in the past, which he's definitely still capable of.
Goodbye, Mr. Andersson.
Statement Stefan "MorroW" Andersson: "I just want to thank the team for my stay for giving me a lot of opportunities to go to diffierent tournaments around the world as well as my trip to Korea. I've made some great friends during my stay in mousesports and I hope they still give good results regardless if I'm not on the team anymore. I wish them best of luck in the future!"
mousesports StarCraft II division 2012/2013: Grzegorz "MaNa" Komincz (P) Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider (P) Han Sang "biGs" Cho (Z) Jonne "Protosser" Sotala (Z) Gabriel "Marine" Segat (T)
Woah! Grats to Protosser, but your annoucement is overshadowed by Morrow leaving. I'm hoping for a good team for Morrow and that we'll be seeing bigger and better things from him in the near future!
First of congratz to Protosser definitely a player worth having in a sponsored bigger team!
Second point, I am so clueless about what team MorroW will join now, will be really interesting to follow, and if it'll be one of the bigger teams we hopefully will se him travel a lot more to future events in america too which hopefully leads to more and better results!
Well the problem with mouz is just that they have some huge talents but can't afford to hold them. I think it's the right step of morrow as he seems very, very talented. Same goes for Thorzain. And I think HasuObs would have had great chances of becoming a very successfull progamer too, if he wouldn't study while playing.
Didn't Thorzain say part of why he left Mouz was lack of support to be in Korea? Maybe/hopefully the same is true of Morrow, I'd love to see him back in GSL.
On June 28 2012 00:23 roym899 wrote: Well the problem with mouz is just that they have some huge talents but can't afford to hold them. I think it's the right step of morrow as he seems very, very talented. Same goes for Thorzain. And I think HasuObs would have had great chances of becoming a very successfull progamer too, if he wouldn't study while playing.
He doesn't study. He's on a break as long as he actively participates in SC2.
Well, Millenium.Morrow perhaps? Mouz rooster becoming younger and younger. They are like football school only in sc2. Devloping and nursing new talents only to sell them later (only mouz isnt selling them)
Great news to see Protossr, hope he can make a splash on the EU scene just like biGs did! I'm sad for Morrow, but things have to come to an end, hopefully he will be able to continue progaming in another team (Quantic? Fnatic?)
Grats to protosser who did really well at Dreamhack but MORROW WHY?! T_T I hope he finds another great team and finally gets to play his best game during a tournament.
Very sad about MorroW, but very very happy for Protosser. His Dreamhack runs were very promising. With him and Marine mouz has two very young and talented players, I hope these moves pay off for them.
Morrow would be a great fit for Liquid. I remember him back in the day as a kid helping out people on the forum and making cool maps. Amazed to see how far he's come.
It's sad for morrow, especially since in the statement it's indicated that mouz did not want to prolong the contract because of morrows lack of results in the past months.
On June 28 2012 00:39 GTR wrote: Morrow would be a great fit for Liquid. I remember him back in the day as a kid helping out people on the forum and making cool maps. Amazed to see how far he's come.
On June 28 2012 00:39 GTR wrote: Morrow would be a great fit for Liquid. I remember him back in the day as a kid helping out people on the forum and making cool maps. Amazed to see how far he's come.
100% agree but Quantic.Morrow could be pretty cool as well
Honestly, I'm not too sure a larger team like Liquid or EG will add Morrow to their roster. Morrow hasn't really shown good play in a long time. Plus him playing two races doesn't allow him to develop as fast as others just playing one. I wish him the best though. He used to be such a beast.
Protosser joins mouz, 4 pages about morrow leaving
So gratz and gl to protosser, i've seen him achieving quite good results over the past few weeks, i hope that mouz will be able to raise his skill !
As for morrow, it will be hard to say "HisnewtagMorrow", i'm so used to mouzMorrow ... But yeah, maybe they didn't offer him enough for him to be able to express his skill as its fullest. Gl for him too !
On June 28 2012 00:43 bonse wrote: Liquid`Morrow sounds very nice...
I doubt it is going to happen. He is not as strong as new liquid recruits tend to be, and liquid has a rather larger roaster currently, especially regarding zerg's.
So many free agents floating around now. Genius, the ogs guys (Supernova, ForGG, Inca, Jookto, etc), and now Morrow. I hope he gets picked up soon, but I doubt it'll be by a team that can afford to pay for any of the Code S level Korean players that are currently on the market.
It'll be really interesting to see who snaps him up - I think he's a pretty valuable player.
hope morrow finds a great team. but did he leave korea entirely ? or is he just taking a vacation for now ? the article seems to imply his trip is over with his departure....
Ouch, protosser is good, but losing morrow and thorzain while only picking up him is a huge loss. Mouz looks like they mught pull a dignitias and drop out of the top tier of foreign teams, even with mana.
I don't understand why people think Mouz has gotten weaker lately. They had a lot of talent other than ThorZain when he was on the team, and that talent still remains in the roster. Had two great players left the team without any sort of replacement, they would have been in a bit of trouble, but Protosser is an awesome zerg player who reached the championship bracket in both of the last two Dreamhacks. Just because a player is fairly unknown and hasn't played in all the american and korean tournaments it doesn't mean he/she isn't any good.
For someone who is probably amongst the top 20 foreign players I always felt like Morrow didn't get sent to that many tournaments. Whether this was his choice or Mousesports's I don't know.
We're shifting gears in our StarCraft II division, as we're signing one of the Swarm's most gifted European players, while waving goodbye to an old veteran and former Grand Champion meanwhile. Jonne "Protosser" Sotala will join forces with mousesports, becoming the new teammate of DreamHack Summer 2012 champion MaNa. The 18-year-old StarCraft II player from Finland has made an impact at this years DreamHack Summer by beating the favored ThorZaIN aswell as MaNa. Despite his name, Protosser is actually playing Zerg in SC2, while he has been fighting for Aiur in SCBW, and will be the second Zerg in mousesports besides biGs. While he is holding no major championship belt so far, we're very happy for the opportunity to work together with Jonne and let him become of the Europe's finest Zerg players. We're positive that he is able to become a feared competitor among the StarCraft II scene.
Statement Jonne "Protosser" Sotala: "I’m really happy to join mousesports. They have a lot of very good players and I’ve always had a lot of respect for the team. I’m glad get to be part of it now. They are the first well-known team I enter and I believe they will help me to get better as a player in the future. I will do my best to show great results in the upcoming tournaments and also want to thank mousesports and its sponsors GeIL, Razer, CardCoachess, Thortech, MEDION, Intel & Sansibar for giving me this opportunity."
You can find a brief interview with Protosser at the Team Razer Facebook page.
On the other hand, we're waving goodbye to Stefan "MorroW" Andersson, who has been a part of mousesports since StarCraft II Beta, as he joined the family in March 2010. Both parties agreed not to extend to contract, so MorroW becomes a Free Agent for now. Together with MorroW, we're looking back at his IEM gamescom championship, where he became the first major StarCraft II champion, aswell as his second place at Assembly Winter 2011 and his trip to Korea for GSL, not to mention the titles he has won with the SC2 squad in team tournaments. We would like to thank Stefan for the time in mousesports, all the events and matches he has played for the franchise during his contract period.
In his entire career for mousesports there has been only a few players who worked as hard and precise as MorroW - unfortunately with no real reward. We would like to wish him the best in his future career and hope he can catch up to his performances in the past, which he's definitely still capable of.
Goodbye, Mr. Andersson.
Statement Stefan "MorroW" Andersson: "I just want to thank the team for my stay for giving me a lot of opportunities to go to diffierent tournaments around the world as well as my trip to Korea. I've made some great friends during my stay in mousesports and I hope they still give good results regardless if I'm not on the team anymore. I wish them best of luck in the future!"
mousesports StarCraft II division 2012/2013: Grzegorz "MaNa" Komincz (P) Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider (P) Han Sang "biGs" Cho (Z) Jonne "Protosser" Sotala (Z) Gabriel "Marine" Segat (T)
The sad truth is that u does not need 1000 thousand hours to be the bast (or actually really good) at SC2, You can perform as well as anyother guy with less pratice...
A really good exemple of this happening is Stephano...he trains like a 10th of what IdrA or other Korean guy AND he can still perform really well.
The ones that win something gets some luck to win, some good decisions(with can came with a pratice, but knowing when and how to attack does not need 1000 hours of pratice, only some hours), timing(same as good decision), new B.O. (witch does not require lots of hours of training but needs some), macro and micro....
SC2 micro and macro are not that hard to learn...so if i know how to use keyboard and mouse very quick and well i can be as good as morrow that lives up to train.
IdrA said it someday and i TOTTALLY agree: "This is a bullshit I play like 10 hours a day everyday i shouldn't be losing to the kinds of him".
SC2 Macro and Micro is not that decisive...what takes more of SC2 early game is B.O. (by far), followed by a timming, followed by some lucy(spoting a scv that's going to see your expo), followed by macro and micro.
In SC2 Lategame the order changes Decision making combined with Luck>>Macro>>Micro(well not that much if you are protoss facing terran)>>B.O.(tech switch)>>Lucky(catching anemy tanks unsieged)
As u can see, factors as Luck, B.O. and decision making takes hard place to win a SC2 game. So those itens does not requires thousand hours of training...that's why morrow does not succeed.
Oh no With Thorzain and Morrow gone from Mouz,I think I have to change my progaming team Those 2 were really my favorites. Where is Morrow going?? I would love Dignitas,but propably Quantic.
morrow is definitely much better than what his results have shown lately, he deserves to be in a good team. He is a hard worker really wish him the best. He might become the next nestea type of guy as long he keeps trying and does not give up. He is genius when it comes to understanding of the game. morrow fighting!
We're shifting gears in our StarCraft II division, as we're signing one of the Swarm's most gifted European players, while waving goodbye to an old veteran and former Grand Champion meanwhile. Jonne "Protosser" Sotala will join forces with mousesports, becoming the new teammate of DreamHack Summer 2012 champion MaNa. The 18-year-old StarCraft II player from Finland has made an impact at this years DreamHack Summer by beating the favored ThorZaIN aswell as MaNa. Despite his name, Protosser is actually playing Zerg in SC2, while he has been fighting for Aiur in SCBW, and will be the second Zerg in mousesports besides biGs. While he is holding no major championship belt so far, we're very happy for the opportunity to work together with Jonne and let him become of the Europe's finest Zerg players. We're positive that he is able to become a feared competitor among the StarCraft II scene.
Statement Jonne "Protosser" Sotala: "I’m really happy to join mousesports. They have a lot of very good players and I’ve always had a lot of respect for the team. I’m glad get to be part of it now. They are the first well-known team I enter and I believe they will help me to get better as a player in the future. I will do my best to show great results in the upcoming tournaments and also want to thank mousesports and its sponsors GeIL, Razer, CardCoachess, Thortech, MEDION, Intel & Sansibar for giving me this opportunity."
You can find a brief interview with Protosser at the Team Razer Facebook page.
On the other hand, we're waving goodbye to Stefan "MorroW" Andersson, who has been a part of mousesports since StarCraft II Beta, as he joined the family in March 2010. Both parties agreed not to extend to contract, so MorroW becomes a Free Agent for now. Together with MorroW, we're looking back at his IEM gamescom championship, where he became the first major StarCraft II champion, aswell as his second place at Assembly Winter 2011 and his trip to Korea for GSL, not to mention the titles he has won with the SC2 squad in team tournaments. We would like to thank Stefan for the time in mousesports, all the events and matches he has played for the franchise during his contract period.
In his entire career for mousesports there has been only a few players who worked as hard and precise as MorroW - unfortunately with no real reward. We would like to wish him the best in his future career and hope he can catch up to his performances in the past, which he's definitely still capable of.
Goodbye, Mr. Andersson.
Statement Stefan "MorroW" Andersson: "I just want to thank the team for my stay for giving me a lot of opportunities to go to diffierent tournaments around the world as well as my trip to Korea. I've made some great friends during my stay in mousesports and I hope they still give good results regardless if I'm not on the team anymore. I wish them best of luck in the future!"
mousesports StarCraft II division 2012/2013: Grzegorz "MaNa" Komincz (P) Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider (P) Han Sang "biGs" Cho (Z) Jonne "Protosser" Sotala (Z) Gabriel "Marine" Segat (T)
The sad truth is that u does not need 1000 thousand hours to be the bast (or actually really good) at SC2, You can perform as well as anyother guy with less pratice...
A really good exemple of this happening is Stephano...he trains like a 10th of what IdrA or other Korean guy AND he can still perform really well.
The ones that win something gets some luck to win, some good decisions(with can came with a pratice, but knowing when and how to attack does not need 1000 hours of pratice, only some hours), timing(same as good decision), new B.O. (witch does not require lots of hours of training but needs some), macro and micro....
SC2 micro and macro are not that hard to learn...so if i know how to use keyboard and mouse very quick and well i can be as good as morrow that lives up to train.
IdrA said it someday and i TOTTALLY agree: "This is a bullshit I play like 10 hours a day everyday i shouldn't be losing to the kinds of him".
SC2 Macro and Micro is not that decisive...what takes more of SC2 early game is B.O. (by far), followed by a timming, followed by some lucy(spoting a scv that's going to see your expo), followed by macro and micro.
In SC2 Lategame the order changes Decision making combined with Luck>>Macro>>Micro(well not that much if you are protoss facing terran)>>B.O.(tech switch)>>Lucky(catching anemy tanks unsieged)
As u can see, factors as Luck, B.O. and decision making takes hard place to win a SC2 game. So those itens does not requires thousand hours of training...that's why morrow does not succeed.
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Sad Truth of SC2 =/
Oh, so that's how you do it. A good build and luck. Thanks !
That's hardly how it works. Using IdrA as an example isn't good, because he's stubborn and won't adapt. He's not the top tier player he used to be. There is an aspect to luck in almost every game, but in Starcraft the best players learn how to remove it from the equation.
On June 28 2012 01:05 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: For someone who is probably amongst the top 20 foreign players I always felt like Morrow didn't get sent to that many tournaments. Whether this was his choice or Mousesports's I don't know.
If I recall right Hasuobs stated on an interview with hotbid or the german szenecast that morrow doesnt want to travel that much because he did not feel ready to play tournaments or something.
it's always sad when you see players who were franchise players for team depart. for me, MouzSport's big 4 was Morrow, Thorzain, HasuObs and Mana, especially since that was the roster they had when i first got into the scene. so definitely it's weird as a fan to no longer see Thorzain and Morrow on the roster. Best of luck to Morrow who is departing and best of luck to Protosser who is joining. both Protosser and Marine have big roles to fill, left behind by Morrow and Thorzain respectively
mouz always seems to be a nice team, but compared to EG or Liquid they dont advertise or use their players in a other way than just giving them their shirt and let them use their tag, kinda sad cuz their roster was/is very strong
We're shifting gears in our StarCraft II division, as we're signing one of the Swarm's most gifted European players, while waving goodbye to an old veteran and former Grand Champion meanwhile. Jonne "Protosser" Sotala will join forces with mousesports, becoming the new teammate of DreamHack Summer 2012 champion MaNa. The 18-year-old StarCraft II player from Finland has made an impact at this years DreamHack Summer by beating the favored ThorZaIN aswell as MaNa. Despite his name, Protosser is actually playing Zerg in SC2, while he has been fighting for Aiur in SCBW, and will be the second Zerg in mousesports besides biGs. While he is holding no major championship belt so far, we're very happy for the opportunity to work together with Jonne and let him become of the Europe's finest Zerg players. We're positive that he is able to become a feared competitor among the StarCraft II scene.
Statement Jonne "Protosser" Sotala: "I’m really happy to join mousesports. They have a lot of very good players and I’ve always had a lot of respect for the team. I’m glad get to be part of it now. They are the first well-known team I enter and I believe they will help me to get better as a player in the future. I will do my best to show great results in the upcoming tournaments and also want to thank mousesports and its sponsors GeIL, Razer, CardCoachess, Thortech, MEDION, Intel & Sansibar for giving me this opportunity."
You can find a brief interview with Protosser at the Team Razer Facebook page.
On the other hand, we're waving goodbye to Stefan "MorroW" Andersson, who has been a part of mousesports since StarCraft II Beta, as he joined the family in March 2010. Both parties agreed not to extend to contract, so MorroW becomes a Free Agent for now. Together with MorroW, we're looking back at his IEM gamescom championship, where he became the first major StarCraft II champion, aswell as his second place at Assembly Winter 2011 and his trip to Korea for GSL, not to mention the titles he has won with the SC2 squad in team tournaments. We would like to thank Stefan for the time in mousesports, all the events and matches he has played for the franchise during his contract period.
In his entire career for mousesports there has been only a few players who worked as hard and precise as MorroW - unfortunately with no real reward. We would like to wish him the best in his future career and hope he can catch up to his performances in the past, which he's definitely still capable of.
Goodbye, Mr. Andersson.
Statement Stefan "MorroW" Andersson: "I just want to thank the team for my stay for giving me a lot of opportunities to go to diffierent tournaments around the world as well as my trip to Korea. I've made some great friends during my stay in mousesports and I hope they still give good results regardless if I'm not on the team anymore. I wish them best of luck in the future!"
mousesports StarCraft II division 2012/2013: Grzegorz "MaNa" Komincz (P) Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider (P) Han Sang "biGs" Cho (Z) Jonne "Protosser" Sotala (Z) Gabriel "Marine" Segat (T)
The sad truth is that u does not need 1000 thousand hours to be the bast (or actually really good) at SC2, You can perform as well as anyother guy with less pratice...
A really good exemple of this happening is Stephano...he trains like a 10th of what IdrA or other Korean guy AND he can still perform really well.
The ones that win something gets some luck to win, some good decisions(with can came with a pratice, but knowing when and how to attack does not need 1000 hours of pratice, only some hours), timing(same as good decision), new B.O. (witch does not require lots of hours of training but needs some), macro and micro....
SC2 micro and macro are not that hard to learn...so if i know how to use keyboard and mouse very quick and well i can be as good as morrow that lives up to train.
IdrA said it someday and i TOTTALLY agree: "This is a bullshit I play like 10 hours a day everyday i shouldn't be losing to the kinds of him".
SC2 Macro and Micro is not that decisive...what takes more of SC2 early game is B.O. (by far), followed by a timming, followed by some lucy(spoting a scv that's going to see your expo), followed by macro and micro.
In SC2 Lategame the order changes Decision making combined with Luck>>Macro>>Micro(well not that much if you are protoss facing terran)>>B.O.(tech switch)>>Lucky(catching anemy tanks unsieged)
As u can see, factors as Luck, B.O. and decision making takes hard place to win a SC2 game. So those itens does not requires thousand hours of training...that's why morrow does not succeed.
I think Morrow has a strength in practicing in a smart way, where he not only puts in the hours but he is really thinking about the practicing. Analyzing games is probably a big part of that.
Its that kind of strength that I think he could bring to another team to help them all get much better. That sort of practice style and some dedication could make him a really attractive player to almost any team.
On June 28 2012 00:20 aintz wrote: first thorzain and now morrow. mouz is getting weaker and weaker
I think Protosser is actually better than Morrow, so Mouz is getting stronger with his addition. The loss of the Thorzain though really weakened Mouz, but Mana is really stepping up.
We're shifting gears in our StarCraft II division, as we're signing one of the Swarm's most gifted European players, while waving goodbye to an old veteran and former Grand Champion meanwhile. Jonne "Protosser" Sotala will join forces with mousesports, becoming the new teammate of DreamHack Summer 2012 champion MaNa. The 18-year-old StarCraft II player from Finland has made an impact at this years DreamHack Summer by beating the favored ThorZaIN aswell as MaNa. Despite his name, Protosser is actually playing Zerg in SC2, while he has been fighting for Aiur in SCBW, and will be the second Zerg in mousesports besides biGs. While he is holding no major championship belt so far, we're very happy for the opportunity to work together with Jonne and let him become of the Europe's finest Zerg players. We're positive that he is able to become a feared competitor among the StarCraft II scene.
Statement Jonne "Protosser" Sotala: "I’m really happy to join mousesports. They have a lot of very good players and I’ve always had a lot of respect for the team. I’m glad get to be part of it now. They are the first well-known team I enter and I believe they will help me to get better as a player in the future. I will do my best to show great results in the upcoming tournaments and also want to thank mousesports and its sponsors GeIL, Razer, CardCoachess, Thortech, MEDION, Intel & Sansibar for giving me this opportunity."
You can find a brief interview with Protosser at the Team Razer Facebook page.
On the other hand, we're waving goodbye to Stefan "MorroW" Andersson, who has been a part of mousesports since StarCraft II Beta, as he joined the family in March 2010. Both parties agreed not to extend to contract, so MorroW becomes a Free Agent for now. Together with MorroW, we're looking back at his IEM gamescom championship, where he became the first major StarCraft II champion, aswell as his second place at Assembly Winter 2011 and his trip to Korea for GSL, not to mention the titles he has won with the SC2 squad in team tournaments. We would like to thank Stefan for the time in mousesports, all the events and matches he has played for the franchise during his contract period.
In his entire career for mousesports there has been only a few players who worked as hard and precise as MorroW - unfortunately with no real reward. We would like to wish him the best in his future career and hope he can catch up to his performances in the past, which he's definitely still capable of.
Goodbye, Mr. Andersson.
Statement Stefan "MorroW" Andersson: "I just want to thank the team for my stay for giving me a lot of opportunities to go to diffierent tournaments around the world as well as my trip to Korea. I've made some great friends during my stay in mousesports and I hope they still give good results regardless if I'm not on the team anymore. I wish them best of luck in the future!"
mousesports StarCraft II division 2012/2013: Grzegorz "MaNa" Komincz (P) Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider (P) Han Sang "biGs" Cho (Z) Jonne "Protosser" Sotala (Z) Gabriel "Marine" Segat (T)
The sad truth is that u does not need 1000 thousand hours to be the bast (or actually really good) at SC2, You can perform as well as anyother guy with less pratice...
A really good exemple of this happening is Stephano...he trains like a 10th of what IdrA or other Korean guy AND he can still perform really well.
The ones that win something gets some luck to win, some good decisions(with can came with a pratice, but knowing when and how to attack does not need 1000 hours of pratice, only some hours), timing(same as good decision), new B.O. (witch does not require lots of hours of training but needs some), macro and micro....
SC2 micro and macro are not that hard to learn...so if i know how to use keyboard and mouse very quick and well i can be as good as morrow that lives up to train.
IdrA said it someday and i TOTTALLY agree: "This is a bullshit I play like 10 hours a day everyday i shouldn't be losing to the kinds of him".
SC2 Macro and Micro is not that decisive...what takes more of SC2 early game is B.O. (by far), followed by a timming, followed by some lucy(spoting a scv that's going to see your expo), followed by macro and micro.
In SC2 Lategame the order changes Decision making combined with Luck>>Macro>>Micro(well not that much if you are protoss facing terran)>>B.O.(tech switch)>>Lucky(catching anemy tanks unsieged)
As u can see, factors as Luck, B.O. and decision making takes hard place to win a SC2 game. So those itens does not requires thousand hours of training...that's why morrow does not succeed.
=/
Sad Truth of SC2 =/
Dude you can train 12 hours a day but if you lack talent and lack physical abilities(multitasking)(fast) you will never be one of the best. It have nothign todo with sc2 it happends everywhere in sports.
On June 28 2012 01:23 ChriseC wrote: mouz always seems to be a nice team, but compared to EG or Liquid they dont advertise or use their players in a other way than just giving them their shirt and let them use their tag, kinda sad cuz their roster was/is very strong
I think they could "push" their sponsorships harder to get more exposure through them, as that pushes Liquid and EG players into the spotlight a lot.
I think Mouz should also add Krass to the lineup as that way they have more diversity and he would fit well with his profile. With two big names being gone Mouz needs to take care though that the team doesn`t evolve into a talent-pool for bigger teams. In the case of Morrow I`m skeptical though whether there is a team that will make him a financially viable offer. He is not really visible most of the time and currently the market is flooded with Koreans that provide better results while being cheaper. I hope he won`t face the same fate as e. g. Naama.
Wow, in a couple of weeks Mouz went from one of the most impressive foreign teams to, let's be honest here, pretty much a low league team. Only Mana is able to deliver some results, if at all!
Liquid : Totally fits the Liquid concept that they've been talking about in ''Liquid Rising'' Quantic : He could join 2 fellow countrymen in Startale's teamhouse, seems nice, but Quantic has tons of players already. Complexity : They did lose Nada, they need a good zerg and they're planning on a nice teamhouse, except it's outside Korea.
On June 28 2012 01:32 Irrational_Animal wrote: I think Mouz should also add Krass to the lineup as that way they have more diversity and he would fit well with his profile. With two big names being gone Mouz needs to take care though that the team doesn`t evolve into a talent-pool for bigger teams. In the case of Morrow I`m skeptical though whether there is a team that will make him a financially viable offer. He is not really visible most of the time and currently the market is flooded with Koreans that provide better results while being cheaper. I hope he won`t face the same fate as e. g. Naama.
Krass and roof turned them down because they wouldn't salary them
Now that my favourite SC2 player, Morrow isn't on Mouzsports anymore coupled with the recent loss of Thorzain – this team is falling quickly in the ranks in my eyes. I think Morrow provides the most engaging and intelligent matches in SC2 and it's always a treat to watch him play. I hope player teams see this too and that things works out for the best for Morrow.
All three are unlikely destinations. Liquid has already 5 Zergs who are in a similar skill range. Also they seem reluctant to increase their roster and even if it would likely be a Ogs Terran like Supernova or Forgg. Quantic and Complexity also seem to be more focussed on established Koreans or young unknown foreign talent. Morrow doesn`t fit in either category. Edit @TidusMino: Thanks, I didn`t know that. It`s not really undertandable why they wouldn`t offer a salary as they both seem to be the best upcoming players from Germany and they always seemed to try to find another German player for the EPS etc.
We're shifting gears in our StarCraft II division, as we're signing one of the Swarm's most gifted European players, while waving goodbye to an old veteran and former Grand Champion meanwhile. Jonne "Protosser" Sotala will join forces with mousesports, becoming the new teammate of DreamHack Summer 2012 champion MaNa. The 18-year-old StarCraft II player from Finland has made an impact at this years DreamHack Summer by beating the favored ThorZaIN aswell as MaNa. Despite his name, Protosser is actually playing Zerg in SC2, while he has been fighting for Aiur in SCBW, and will be the second Zerg in mousesports besides biGs. While he is holding no major championship belt so far, we're very happy for the opportunity to work together with Jonne and let him become of the Europe's finest Zerg players. We're positive that he is able to become a feared competitor among the StarCraft II scene.
Statement Jonne "Protosser" Sotala: "I’m really happy to join mousesports. They have a lot of very good players and I’ve always had a lot of respect for the team. I’m glad get to be part of it now. They are the first well-known team I enter and I believe they will help me to get better as a player in the future. I will do my best to show great results in the upcoming tournaments and also want to thank mousesports and its sponsors GeIL, Razer, CardCoachess, Thortech, MEDION, Intel & Sansibar for giving me this opportunity."
You can find a brief interview with Protosser at the Team Razer Facebook page.
On the other hand, we're waving goodbye to Stefan "MorroW" Andersson, who has been a part of mousesports since StarCraft II Beta, as he joined the family in March 2010. Both parties agreed not to extend to contract, so MorroW becomes a Free Agent for now. Together with MorroW, we're looking back at his IEM gamescom championship, where he became the first major StarCraft II champion, aswell as his second place at Assembly Winter 2011 and his trip to Korea for GSL, not to mention the titles he has won with the SC2 squad in team tournaments. We would like to thank Stefan for the time in mousesports, all the events and matches he has played for the franchise during his contract period.
In his entire career for mousesports there has been only a few players who worked as hard and precise as MorroW - unfortunately with no real reward. We would like to wish him the best in his future career and hope he can catch up to his performances in the past, which he's definitely still capable of.
Goodbye, Mr. Andersson.
Statement Stefan "MorroW" Andersson: "I just want to thank the team for my stay for giving me a lot of opportunities to go to diffierent tournaments around the world as well as my trip to Korea. I've made some great friends during my stay in mousesports and I hope they still give good results regardless if I'm not on the team anymore. I wish them best of luck in the future!"
mousesports StarCraft II division 2012/2013: Grzegorz "MaNa" Komincz (P) Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider (P) Han Sang "biGs" Cho (Z) Jonne "Protosser" Sotala (Z) Gabriel "Marine" Segat (T)
The sad truth is that u does not need 1000 thousand hours to be the bast (or actually really good) at SC2, You can perform as well as anyother guy with less pratice...
A really good exemple of this happening is Stephano...he trains like a 10th of what IdrA or other Korean guy AND he can still perform really well.
The ones that win something gets some luck to win, some good decisions(with can came with a pratice, but knowing when and how to attack does not need 1000 hours of pratice, only some hours), timing(same as good decision), new B.O. (witch does not require lots of hours of training but needs some), macro and micro....
SC2 micro and macro are not that hard to learn...so if i know how to use keyboard and mouse very quick and well i can be as good as morrow that lives up to train.
IdrA said it someday and i TOTTALLY agree: "This is a bullshit I play like 10 hours a day everyday i shouldn't be losing to the kinds of him".
SC2 Macro and Micro is not that decisive...what takes more of SC2 early game is B.O. (by far), followed by a timming, followed by some lucy(spoting a scv that's going to see your expo), followed by macro and micro.
In SC2 Lategame the order changes Decision making combined with Luck>>Macro>>Micro(well not that much if you are protoss facing terran)>>B.O.(tech switch)>>Lucky(catching anemy tanks unsieged)
As u can see, factors as Luck, B.O. and decision making takes hard place to win a SC2 game. So those itens does not requires thousand hours of training...that's why morrow does not succeed.
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Sad Truth of SC2 =/
It seems you've pulled a lot of facts out of somewhere dark and damp. And yes you can play less than someone and beat them but doesn't mean you're better than them.
So many things you don't take into account, sc2 isn't weight lifting you're not just training one muscle, but your point is like saying if you trained as much as Lionel Messi you'd be as good as him. You have to take into account talent, a players natural ability, how they practice, who they practice with, their sleep, how much pressure they're under to get results and their motivation and desire.
And I'm pretty sure Stephano practices quite a lot, could go on but it might be lost on you.
I'd love to see morrow in liquid if they didn't already have so many zergs. Good luck to him finding a new team. Shouldn't be too hard, though, given how talented he is.
On June 28 2012 01:33 chocopaw wrote: Wow, in a couple of weeks Mouz went from one of the most impressive foreign teams to, let's be honest here, pretty much a low league team. Only Mana is able to deliver some results, if at all!
lol "if at all"? you really saying that about probably the most talented foreign starcraft 2 player that will most likely win the most tournament out of every foreigner if not overall in the coming year?
On June 28 2012 01:33 chocopaw wrote: Wow, in a couple of weeks Mouz went from one of the most impressive foreign teams to, let's be honest here, pretty much a low league team. Only Mana is able to deliver some results, if at all!
lol "if at all"? you really saying that about probably the most talented foreign starcraft 2 player that will most likely win the most tournament out of every foreigner if not overall in the coming year?
On June 28 2012 00:39 GTR wrote: Morrow would be a great fit for Liquid. I remember him back in the day as a kid helping out people on the forum and making cool maps. Amazed to see how far he's come.
One of the things that amazed me most about Morrow was in TSL3 when he wrote about the disconnect in the match between nightend and boxer, writing a really really extensive and insightful comment on why he didn't think nightend still could win that match. Really putting his heart into making sure that he provided why he did a fair decision.
I dont think mouz needed to cut funds, but the more teams are coming into play the more moneys flows into sc2 the biger ar players expectations, my bet is that mouz wasnt able or wasnt willing to accept rising financial expectations.
jk guys. Seriously though, sad to hear Morrow leave his old team. mouz morrow had such a good ring to it. I wish him the best and hope he finds a team that's a good fit for him. GL Morrow!
Also grats to Protosser - I was really impressed with his performance in DH
Wow, really unexpected. I guess mouz isnt willing to increase salaries unlike other top organizations.
Which is his new team? Millenium sounds unlikely if the new player is indeed a korean. The Liquid speculations (which are there for every player) may not be too far fetched in this case. Morrow has been active on TL and is known for great sportmanship like every Liquid player.
Lets create a pointless poll.
Poll: Which team will Morrow join?
Quantic (18)
42%
Millenium (6)
14%
Liquid (4)
9%
EG (3)
7%
Dignitas (3)
7%
A korean team (3)
7%
Acer (2)
5%
Another foreign team (2)
5%
complexity (1)
2%
Fnatic (1)
2%
43 total votes
Your vote: Which team will Morrow join?
(Vote): Liquid (Vote): Quantic (Vote): EG (Vote): Acer (Vote): complexity (Vote): Millenium (Vote): Fnatic (Vote): Dignitas (Vote): Another foreign team (Vote): A korean team
Seems like an extreamly horrible trade off. Picking up a virtual nobody who could flop hard while dropping one of the best zergs in the world :l. What the hell is going through their heads? Now their only good players are their Protosses otherwise it's a whole lot of nothing on Mouz.
What is with Mouz's insistence on not signing a Korean? Still plenty of big names out there. I don't see Mouz continuing to compete as a premiere team unless they take the plunge into the Korean market.
On June 28 2012 02:25 setzer wrote: What is with Mouz's insistence on not signing a Korean? Still plenty of big names out there. I don't see Mouz continuing to compete as a premiere team unless they take the plunge into the Korean market.
Mouz doesn't need Koreans. They already have 2 major tournament wins this year. That's more than most other foreign team with lots of Korean mercenaries have.
On June 28 2012 02:28 Eee wrote: MorroW is joining quantic, remember where you heard it first.
First page of this thread lol, Quantic is definitely the obvious choice. But they just signed theSTC so we don't know if they still have the budget right now for another player.
On June 28 2012 02:16 00Visor wrote: Wow, really unexpected. I guess mouz isnt willing to increase salaries unlike other top organizations.
Which is his new team? Millenium sounds unlikely if the new player is indeed a korean. The Liquid speculations (which are there for every player) may not be too far fetched in this case. Morrow has been active on TL and is known for great sportmanship like every Liquid player.
Lets create a pointless poll.
Poll: Which team will Morrow join?
Quantic (18)
42%
Millenium (6)
14%
Liquid (4)
9%
EG (3)
7%
Dignitas (3)
7%
A korean team (3)
7%
Acer (2)
5%
Another foreign team (2)
5%
complexity (1)
2%
Fnatic (1)
2%
43 total votes
Your vote: Which team will Morrow join?
(Vote): Liquid (Vote): Quantic (Vote): EG (Vote): Acer (Vote): complexity (Vote): Millenium (Vote): Fnatic (Vote): Dignitas (Vote): Another foreign team (Vote): A korean team
Feeling like Quantic will want to add player number 20 soon so why not lol
Mouz may should aquire LucifroN, since their Terran line-up sucks.
It's not that easy to simply "acquire" a player. I know they tried to get Kas back in February or something but apparently that didn't work out either.
They'll find another player who fits in with them sooner or later, at least I hope so. Just curious how long it'll take.
ouch, Mouz really is taking some serious hits right now ... wonder what lucky team is going to end up with Morrow, him joining Quantic will make it extremely stacked... my goodness
Seems like Quantic is the popular choice. I'm thinking coL though, I'm sure they gained a lot of capital back with NaDa's departure. coL.MorroW anyone?
ah, this is so sad! i was waiting for an announcement since thorzain left, but i expected them to pick up 1 or 2 really strong eu player and at least one terran that would become even better with a team like mouz. but this development is so disappointing... now they have some really good talents, but atm this team doesnt feel complete nor capable of winning a major teamleague and they definetly lost the impression of a family-like team =(
On June 28 2012 02:52 wfire wrote: Now the mouse team is much much weaker...wonder who will pick up morrow....although morrow is getting behind
protosser>morrow, at this moment. MorroW practices full time while protosser isn't full time. Also Protosser is much younger and has more potential if he goes full-time.
On June 28 2012 02:52 wfire wrote: Now the mouse team is much much weaker...wonder who will pick up morrow....although morrow is getting behind
protosser>morrow, at this moment. MorroW practices full time while protosser isn't full time. Also Protosser is much younger and has more potential if he goes full-time.
much younger? morrow is 19, what is protosser? 12?
On June 28 2012 02:52 wfire wrote: Now the mouse team is much much weaker...wonder who will pick up morrow....although morrow is getting behind
protosser>morrow, at this moment. MorroW practices full time while protosser isn't full time. Also Protosser is much younger and has more potential if he goes full-time.
Lmao morrow is one year older, and a hundred times more accomplished in sc2. Cool logic man. Also morrow won an ESL world while still in school.
I'm sad. Mouz was one of my favourite teams because he had really strong line up: the trio Mana/TZain/Morrow combined with Hasuobs was very scaryu and well-rounded. Sad
On June 28 2012 02:52 wfire wrote: Now the mouse team is much much weaker...wonder who will pick up morrow....although morrow is getting behind
protosser>morrow, at this moment. MorroW practices full time while protosser isn't full time. Also Protosser is much younger and has more potential if he goes full-time.
much younger? morrow is 19, what is protosser? 12?
I am sad for Mouz with Morrow leaving, but it feels like he could use a fresh start to get going again. Also Protosser seems like a good choise, Mouz will still be one of my favorite teams, but I will miss the old "garde" Gl to everyone!
On June 28 2012 03:53 Antithesis wrote: Woot, Morrow leaving Mouz? Protosser certainly looks promising, but Thorzain + Morrow + Mana + Hasu were such an awesome team in clan leagues...
But Mouz has been kind of dead in clan leagues since Thorzain left...
Aww, MorroW no!!! Guess I gotta change my team icon now o_o
On the other hand, Mousesports was kinda falling apart with ThorZaIN gone too, so I'm also partially glad that he might be moving to another strong team. Probably Quantic? It would be cool :D
On June 28 2012 04:14 Hulavuta wrote: Aww, MorroW no!!! Guess I gotta change my team icon now o_o
On the other hand, Mousesports was kinda falling apart with ThorZaIN gone too, so I'm also partially glad that he might be moving to another strong team. Probably Quantic? It would be cool :D
Pretty much this. I loved the morrow/thorzain/hasu/mana combo, as long as morrow joins a good team (hopefully with korean ties) its not too bad.
EDIT: My posts just don't look the same with an empire tag
Changed my team to Slayers now :-/ Morrow was the only one holding me back after Thorzain left. This is pretty sad news. I wonder what he's going to be doing?
Grats to Protosser, he looked really good at DH. So much untapped and unknown talent in Europe. But damn, Mouz is only a shadow of their former self ;\ since BiGs and Marine both have a long road until they are really competitive.
good luck Morrow! Hope to see you on a team soon, and best of luck to Mouz and Protosser. Mouz has always been one of my favourite teams I hope they stay awesome as they lose my favourite players.
well i wanna know who would be liquids next big signing. am hoping its some! like supernova or genius, i a big liquid fan and i want them to post better results in the nest gstl. and acquiring 1 of these players would surely be huge for liquid
Morrow is extremely talented. I could see maybe even Liquid picking him up? Not that they need more zergs currently. But any team would be foolish (imo) not to at least consider Morrow, if they have the means to acquire him that is.
From what I gathered with Morrow's departure, it seems like he was being paid too much for no results, and wasnt willing to renegotiate his payment thinking he is going to get a better offer somewhere else.
On June 28 2012 06:45 RodrigoX wrote: From what I gathered with Morrow's departure, it seems like he was being paid too much for no results, and wasnt willing to renegotiate his payment thinking he is going to get a better offer somewhere else.
Any actual hard evidence to back that up rather than just coming hot off the press from the rumour mill?
I guess QuanticMorroW is highly possible and MorroW does want to go to Korea
I don't really see MorroW with Liquid because they're already stacked with Zerg
Quantic already has like 20 players, but it'd probably be good idea for Sasewa to get a new roommate. Just so things don't get too steamy in the ST house.
Morrow is head and shoulders above everyone in root, and they don't have any sponsors.... would make absolutely zero sense for him to go there. Only thing I can see is one of the big guns picking him up, as they're the only ones who can match a salary in mouz; EG, fnatic, Liquid, coL etc
Man... not long ago Mouz was probably my favorite team, and with Thorzain leaving it didn't feel the same, and now Morrow too? Ah man... well, I hope Mouz can still perform well. Best of luck to Protosser!
And Morrow, this seems like a huge opportunity for you. Good luck finding the right team for you!
Personally I think EG needs a player like Morrow. Would be great to see if Idra, Machine and Morrow could help each other out. He could even help DeMuslim with his TvZ. Liquid or Quantic would be cool too though.
Morrow teamles... I hope he gets picked up soon Fnatic Morrow? seems likely, both parties offer something to gain. Mouz. gets a foreign Zerg/ Terran to supplement ToD and NightEnd, while Morrow can practise in Korea
On June 28 2012 08:30 Hulavuta wrote: Quantic seems the most likely, but I'm really hoping Liquid.
I hope not. They really need to save salary space for top tier players.
No offense to Morrow... but he hasn't been relevant at all so far this year and hasn't really won anything since IEM in 2010. It's actually kind of refreshing to see a premier foreign team pick up some new talent and not keep the same ol' boys club.
On June 28 2012 08:05 DrZealot wrote: i really think root would be a good place for morrow to settle in.
Morrow is a serious player, he won't be joining Root.
Oooh, aaah, ziiiing! Name a team with a better AMERICAN roster. Now I know Morrow isn't America, but I'm tired of jerkoffs dumping on ROOT every time somebody brings them up (flair up). The reason Morrow wouldn't ever join ROOT is not because he's a "serious player", like the rest of ROOT isn't or something, but because ROOT recruits players based on personal camaraderie and marketable personalities. Often times, that even makes a bit more financial sense for a team. Or do you think Morrow makes more money than Destiny does?
On June 28 2012 08:30 Hulavuta wrote: Quantic seems the most likely, but I'm really hoping Liquid.
I hope not. They really need to save salary space for top tier players.
No offense to Morrow... but he hasn't been relevant at all so far this year and hasn't really won anything since IEM in 2010. It's actually kind of refreshing to see a premier foreign team pick up some new talent and not keep the same ol' boys club.
He's been in Korea training, while maybe he doesn't have tournament wins he's looked impressive everywhere else that I've seen him. He demolished IdrA 4-0 (which you can argue isn't an achievement at all), and a while back his games vs Leenock were incredible. He's a lot better than most Liquid players, the reason I'd say he'd be a bad pickup for them isn't his skill, it's his race.
Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
On June 28 2012 08:05 DrZealot wrote: i really think root would be a good place for morrow to settle in.
Morrow is a serious player, he won't be joining Root.
Oooh, aaah, ziiiing! Name a team with a better AMERICAN roster. Now I know Morrow isn't America, but I'm tired of jerkoffs dumping on ROOT every time somebody brings them up (flair up). The reason Morrow wouldn't ever join ROOT is not because he's a "serious player", like the rest of ROOT isn't or something, but because ROOT recruits players based on personal camaraderie and marketable personalities. Often times, that even makes a bit more financial sense for a team. Or do you think Morrow makes more money than Destiny does?
ViBE, puCk, Fitzy and Destiny actually isn't all that. Removing everyone except Americans from the ROOT roster hurts it quite a bit.
How about Quantic? Illusion, Hawk, State, theognis and Spanishiwa? Or Pyre, Insur and Axslav from i7? Goswser, Minigun, qxc and Trimaster from coL seems better too. Even LighT stacks up pretty well with KawaiiRice, binski, Caliber and Heavens. x6 has Suppy, Perfect, ThisIsJimmy, Ver and Mystik. Liquid itself has Nony and Sheth. EG's got Idra, LzGaMeR, Machine and iNcontroL. I'd actually say ROOT is pretty much right in the middle if you only look at the American players.
Of course, it doesn't matter because Morrow's not an American. And penis-measuring contests between fans of different teams are a bit pointless.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
Because he is a Pro ... Tosser ..
I hear he practices A LOT!
Good pick up but really sad to see MorroW leave; i thought with Thorzain leaving, MorroW would see it as an opportuntiy to step up in the team and take the position as ace and superstar. I look forward to see who he joins up with
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
lol... first of all he plays Zerg, 2nd he's definitely not "one of the most talented players in the world" lol
its not like he started playing 4 months ago... he is a European Zerg who is rather unknown but there are many guys in the same situations like him.
To be honest I wonder why not more teams pick up players like Protosser. I mean managers can just ask their players if they noticed a few rather unknown players on ladder after playing tons with them and then they can research how good they are etc. Maybe some players don't want more good teammates on their team because they are afraid of losing their comfortable position within the team? I am actually pretty sure this is often the case lol.
There are so many good players who are pretty much completely unknown but who give the top players daily practice on ladder and sometimes they are even on the same level like established progamers, they simply don't get opportunities to prove themself.. I think I could name like 10 players from Europe who are worth picking up, because they don't have high demands but are already on a pretty high level. I think teams prefer to pickup already established names because it gives them more exposure, as most sc2 followers have no idea who is good and who is not. In this topic for example more replies have to do with MorroW leaving mouz and only a few people seem to care about Protosser.
I think teams should definitely concentrate more on discovering talents.
Happy to see Protosser got such an opportunity, hope he doesn't fuck up!
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
Protosser is one of the "most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known". A guy who is "probably one of the most talented players in the world overall" that you will be "looking forward to share some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies". And he plays Zerg. You have no idea who the fuck he is, but feel comfortable writing a mini paragraph summing up his career and the value of the pickup.
And you are a 4500 post user.
This basically sums up the level of commentary throughout most of these forums.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
Protosser is one of the "most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known". A guy who is "probably one of the most talented players in the world overall" that you will be "looking forward to share some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies". And he plays Zerg. You have no idea who the fuck he is, but feel comfortable writing a mini paragraph summing up his career and the value of the pickup.
And you are a 4500 post user.
This basically sums up the level of commentary throughout most of these forums.
Even if you're right you still sound like a condescending bastard.
Protosser is a good Zerg, so congrats to Mouz. Hopefully they continue to develop up and coming talent like they have in the past.
However, they do need to learn how to keep that talent. Losing Thorzain and now Morrow is a huge blow to them. Morrow is one of my favorites. He always seems to be very manner and very talented. Seems like he also enjoys being a part of the community (plenty of quality posts on TL) and just needs a team like Liquid or EG to really bring him to the forefront. I do hope he chooses Liquid since he fits in so well personality-wise. It'd also give him the opportunity to practice in the Liquid Korean house and bolster the Liquid lineup for next GSTL.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
Protosser is one of the "most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known". A guy who is "probably one of the most talented players in the world overall" that you will be "looking forward to share some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies". And he plays Zerg. You have no idea who the fuck he is, but feel comfortable writing a mini paragraph summing up his career and the value of the pickup.
And you are a 4500 post user.
This basically sums up the level of commentary throughout most of these forums.
Even if you're right you still sound like a condescending bastard.
The post he was replying to quite frankly deserved every condescension you can think of.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
Protosser is one of the "most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known". A guy who is "probably one of the most talented players in the world overall" that you will be "looking forward to share some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies". And he plays Zerg. You have no idea who the fuck he is, but feel comfortable writing a mini paragraph summing up his career and the value of the pickup.
And you are a 4500 post user.
This basically sums up the level of commentary throughout most of these forums.
Even if you're right you still sound like a condescending bastard.
The post he was replying to quite frankly deserved every condescension you can think of.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
Protosser is one of the "most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known". A guy who is "probably one of the most talented players in the world overall" that you will be "looking forward to share some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies". And he plays Zerg. You have no idea who the fuck he is, but feel comfortable writing a mini paragraph summing up his career and the value of the pickup.
And you are a 4500 post user.
This basically sums up the level of commentary throughout most of these forums.
Ha this is so funny! It's quite similar to the strategy forum, where a silver level player gives adivce to others.
On June 28 2012 10:00 ZenithM wrote: Protosser is one of the most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known, that's the sickest mouzPickUp in a while, probably one of the most talented players in the world overall. I'll be sure to follow him not too often, but quite often still, as I don't play Protoss, I play Terran. Still looking forward to some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies.
Edit: typo haha
Protosser is Zerg......?!
Oh he is? Lol my mistake, what a confusing name... Why not Zerger or something :D
Protosser is one of the "most talented Protoss the scene has yet to have known". A guy who is "probably one of the most talented players in the world overall" that you will be "looking forward to share some replay packs that I'll be sure to share with my Protoss buddies". And he plays Zerg. You have no idea who the fuck he is, but feel comfortable writing a mini paragraph summing up his career and the value of the pickup.
And you are a 4500 post user.
This basically sums up the level of commentary throughout most of these forums.
Ha this is so funny! It's quite similar to the strategy forum, where a silver level player gives adivce to others.
lol. TL should just shut down the forums except for the LR threads and only keep the news.
gj mouz love it they are the only team that at least tries to push foreign talent and they have had success with that in the past so i hope it will continue to work for them
gz to protosser he has really been playing well lately
Oh god no, I don't want to see morrow start slumping like crazy.
Like he isn't slumping already. I really don't know what to think, i have watched him as terran, he was good then, but since that time, he hasn't been nowhere near top tier foregners, not to mention koreans...
Very nice, but I still think mouz are lacking players. With a team consisting of only 5 players, they will have a hard time in team leagues. Shouldn't the exit of Thorzain leave them with enough funds to invest in two or three up-and-comers?
Congrats Protosser We've been team mates for a year now. Expected him to move on to a more professional team but Mouz. That is one sick of a team. Another up and coming finish player to watch out for would be Core from Fightline as well. Constantly beating grandmaster players too.
On June 28 2012 17:25 valaki wrote: Morrow hasn't produced any results since the 5 rax reaper thing was nerfed to the ground, so I think it's understandable from mouz.
... Morrow has been one of the strongest Zerg players for the last 1 1/2 years. He had good phases and bad phases, but during his good phases he was right up there with the best players.
I feel bad for mouz. They losing good players and getting new players with not that much potential to begin with. Well good luck to all of them. Hope they can achieve what they want and get the max out of eachother and out of themself!!
morrow mouz used to have three extremely strong players for each race (Thorzain, MaNa, MorroW + Hasu)..now they have loads of players with loads of potential, but they can't really replace the departures at their current skill level
On June 28 2012 17:43 JustPassingBy wrote: Very nice, but I still think mouz are lacking players. With a team consisting of only 5 players, they will have a hard time in team leagues. Shouldn't the exit of Thorzain leave them with enough funds to invest in two or three up-and-comers?
Yeah I'm pretty sure that they will sign 1 or 2 more players in the near future, while Protosser is great and will most likely be a beast soon, the gap left by morrow and thorzain isn't quite filled.
i feel Morrow is a good fit for a team like Dignitas or a team in that nature. I don't believe there's many places where Morrow can go and be one of the top players for his race.
I dug up the most recent interview with Morrow I could find. Those predicting his retirement will most like have to wait for quite some time.
Morrow is one of the best value picks a foreign team can make atm. He always posts solid results but has recently come short of winning high profile tournaments which lowers his price tag, there's also very few players who can compete with his dedication and low maintenance needs. My guess is he wants a Korean practice environment with foreigner presence. Quantic, TL and EG are obvious possibilities of which Quantic seems the most natural. There's also Fnatic, they announced their most recent recruit, Luvsic, a few hours ago.
Best of luck to Morrow in finding a team he likes, I have always respected him. Sad to see morrow leaving mouz as he was so iconic for the. I wish both morrow and mouz the best in the future.
On June 28 2012 00:39 kusto wrote: It's sad for morrow, especially since in the statement it's indicated that mouz did not want to prolong the contract because of morrows lack of results in the past months.....
It was kind of bitchy to say that I agree... especially when hiring a relatively unaccomplished player that is Protosser. Morrow may not be Stephano but he has bouts of brilliance that are unequaled by any Zerg I have seen that just have to be more consistent.
On June 28 2012 00:39 kusto wrote: It's sad for morrow, especially since in the statement it's indicated that mouz did not want to prolong the contract because of morrows lack of results in the past months.....
It was kind of bitchy to say that I agree... especially when hiring a relatively unaccomplished player that is Protosser. Morrow may not be Stephano but he has bouts of brilliance that are unequaled by any Zerg I have seen that just have to be more consistent.
Yeah I also raised an eyebrow. Kind of weird how teams make such aggressive statements when they're parting ways with a player. There's quite often one or two jabs to the player in the statements. The players always say something like "oh well, best of luck in the future, I'll still cheer for my past team mates etc." Kind of weird. You'd think the organizations would be professional enough not to show such childishness.
Anyway, I can't see him going anywhere but one of the top teams to be honest. MIlennium perhaps?
I've never even heard of protosser so I can't say much there, but good luck I guess ^^
On June 28 2012 00:39 kusto wrote: It's sad for morrow, especially since in the statement it's indicated that mouz did not want to prolong the contract because of morrows lack of results in the past months.....
It was kind of bitchy to say that I agree... especially when hiring a relatively unaccomplished player that is Protosser. Morrow may not be Stephano but he has bouts of brilliance that are unequaled by any Zerg I have seen that just have to be more consistent.
Yeah I also raised an eyebrow. Kind of weird how teams make such aggressive statements when they're parting ways with a player. There's quite often one or two jabs to the player in the statements. The players always say something like "oh well, best of luck in the future, I'll still cheer for my past team mates etc." Kind of weird. You'd think the organizations would be professional enough not to show such childishness.
Anyway, I can't see him going anywhere but one of the top teams to be honest. MIlennium perhaps?
I've never even heard of protosser so I can't say much there, but good luck I guess ^^
i think they did that to give a reason and because no one knows how the community will react. If they wouldn't have given a reason, maybe a couple of people would have criticized Mouz for just letting a good player go without any reasons which may have caused a chain reaction. Just my theory
On June 28 2012 00:39 kusto wrote: It's sad for morrow, especially since in the statement it's indicated that mouz did not want to prolong the contract because of morrows lack of results in the past months.....
It was kind of bitchy to say that I agree... especially when hiring a relatively unaccomplished player that is Protosser. Morrow may not be Stephano but he has bouts of brilliance that are unequaled by any Zerg I have seen that just have to be more consistent.
Yeah I also raised an eyebrow. Kind of weird how teams make such aggressive statements when they're parting ways with a player. There's quite often one or two jabs to the player in the statements. The players always say something like "oh well, best of luck in the future, I'll still cheer for my past team mates etc." Kind of weird. You'd think the organizations would be professional enough not to show such childishness.
Anyway, I can't see him going anywhere but one of the top teams to be honest. MIlennium perhaps?
I've never even heard of protosser so I can't say much there, but good luck I guess ^^
Hm ... I doubt they wanted to criticize Morrow. Even if they were indeed unsatisfied, why should they say that in their release, it just makes everyone look bad. Maybe it's a translation issue or poor choice of words and they just wanted to say they think Morrow would have deserved a big title but unfortunately didn't get one.
And isn't Morrow still a strong player in the Mouz roster? So if his lack of tournament wins was a reason to kick him, why not kick the others?
It's such wierd news to hear since Morrow sounds well only with "mouz" in front of Morrow, just like Huk without "liquid" in front of it... I guess things change Edit: About Protosser, I don't think it's possible to replace Morrow's skill and talent, and all he has done and what he could have done more if he had stayed with mouz. Hopefully, Protosser will get close.
I am very sad that Morrow leaves mouz but it also seems to be a logical step. He is a great player - very skilled with zerg and terran - but it always felt like he was not really part of the team. Technically he was of course but I am not sure how involved he was with the other mouz players. Also he was no all that successful. I wish him the best of luck though for the future.
On June 28 2012 20:21 Blueblister wrote: I dug up the most recent interview with Morrow I could find. Those predicting his retirement will most like have to wait for quite some time.
Morrow is one of the best value picks a foreign team can make atm. He always posts solid results but has recently come short of winning high profile tournaments which lowers his price tag, there's also very few players who can compete with his dedication and low maintenance needs. My guess is he wants a Korean practice environment with foreigner presence. Quantic, TL and EG are obvious possibilities of which Quantic seems the most natural. There's also Fnatic, they announced their most recent recruit, Luvsic, a few hours ago.
He also seems like the perfect training partner. If you watch his play closely he always has a ton of smart little things in his play.
He's not one of those copy and follow the meta game players, which is exactly what you need if you want to be ahead of the curve.
Morrow has a ton of talent, unfortunately he wastes it by going two races. As he has to practice each race twice as much as everyone else just to be on an even footing. Not to mention that he can't even ladder properly.
On July 01 2012 05:02 Paladia wrote: Morrow has a ton of talent, unfortunately he wastes it by going two races. As he has to practice each race twice as much as everyone else just to be on an even footing. Not to mention that he can't even ladder properly.
It's not the same as playing two races. He still only plays 3 matchups. It's not like he has to practice for 6 matchups. Also, he has a ton of prior experience playing Terran. In the end all that matters is he feels more confident in his TvZ than his ZvZ.
On July 01 2012 05:02 Paladia wrote: Morrow has a ton of talent, unfortunately he wastes it by going two races. As he has to practice each race twice as much as everyone else just to be on an even footing. Not to mention that he can't even ladder properly.
I don't think it's as big of a problem as you are making it out to be. Many high level players have been able to play random very well. I'm not claiming that it's not a disadvantage of sorts, but as others pointed out, he is still only playing 3 matchups and he believes his tvz is stronger than his zvz. Obviously, no pro has stuck with random and MorroW is the only race picker that I know of, but I wouldn't be so quick to blame stuff on that choice.
On July 01 2012 05:02 Paladia wrote: Morrow has a ton of talent, unfortunately he wastes it by going two races. As he has to practice each race twice as much as everyone else just to be on an even footing. Not to mention that he can't even ladder properly.
It's not the same as playing two races. He still only plays 3 matchups. It's not like he has to practice for 6 matchups. Also, he has a ton of prior experience playing Terran. In the end all that matters is he feels more confident in his TvZ than his ZvZ.
It isn't three match-ups when you ladder a lot, which is what he did in for example Korea. Also, for other people who play one race, every match-up help them in their mechanics for the other match-ups, but that isn't the case for Morrow.
Though it is pointless to argue about it. Just the fact that no player in the history of Brood War, Warcraft 3 or Starcraft 2 has been able to master two or more races (random) at the highest of level is enough to show how impractical it is. So unless you consider yourself way more talented than all people who have ever played RTS games, stick to one race.
On July 01 2012 05:02 Paladia wrote: Morrow has a ton of talent, unfortunately he wastes it by going two races. As he has to practice each race twice as much as everyone else just to be on an even footing. Not to mention that he can't even ladder properly.
I don't think it's as big of a problem as you are making it out to be. Many high level players have been able to play random very well. I'm not claiming that it's not a disadvantage of sorts, but as others pointed out, he is still only playing 3 matchups and he believes his tvz is stronger than his zvz. Obviously, no pro has stuck with random and MorroW is the only race picker that I know of, but I wouldn't be so quick to blame stuff on that choice.
In the time when Terran is UP to Zerg, it's a problem lol.(not whining)
Morrow leave is actually a good news for mouz -.- he never was good enough to compete with top players (maybe in beta and at beginning of sc2, when he abused reapers). Now he was worst player in whole mouz, so why waste money on him. And plz, dont be funny with EG, Liquid, Quantic, he isnt good enough for this teams...
On July 02 2012 02:48 PsychoPriest wrote: Morrow leave is actually a good news for mouz -.- he never was good enough to compete with top players (maybe in beta and at beginning of sc2, when he abused reapers). Now he was worst player in whole mouz, so why waste money on him. And plz, dont be funny with EG, Liquid, Quantic, he isnt good enough for this teams...
I'm bored of saying it all the time but: Do you even follow sc2 scene ?
On July 02 2012 02:48 PsychoPriest wrote: Morrow leave is actually a good news for mouz -.- he never was good enough to compete with top players (maybe in beta and at beginning of sc2, when he abused reapers). Now he was worst player in whole mouz, so why waste money on him. And plz, dont be funny with EG, Liquid, Quantic, he isnt good enough for this teams...
He cant join EG? He just raped Idras ass in NASL SS 2 months ago, beating him 4-0 and this was offline not online.
On July 01 2012 05:02 Paladia wrote: Morrow has a ton of talent, unfortunately he wastes it by going two races. As he has to practice each race twice as much as everyone else just to be on an even footing. Not to mention that he can't even ladder properly.
It's not the same as playing two races. He still only plays 3 matchups. It's not like he has to practice for 6 matchups. Also, he has a ton of prior experience playing Terran. In the end all that matters is he feels more confident in his TvZ than his ZvZ.
It isn't three match-ups when you ladder a lot, which is what he did in for example Korea. Also, for other people who play one race, every match-up help them in their mechanics for the other match-ups, but that isn't the case for Morrow.
Though it is pointless to argue about it. Just the fact that no player in the history of Brood War, Warcraft 3 or Starcraft 2 has been able to master two or more races (random) at the highest of level is enough to show how impractical it is. So unless you consider yourself way more talented than all people who have ever played RTS games, stick to one race.
Grubby won tournaments with both Human and Orc but yea its unusual and his changes were because bad race matchups in WC3.
Seems sad for Morrow, not sure what to think good luck to him in the future.
On July 01 2012 05:02 Paladia wrote: Morrow has a ton of talent, unfortunately he wastes it by going two races. As he has to practice each race twice as much as everyone else just to be on an even footing. Not to mention that he can't even ladder properly.
It's not the same as playing two races. He still only plays 3 matchups. It's not like he has to practice for 6 matchups. Also, he has a ton of prior experience playing Terran. In the end all that matters is he feels more confident in his TvZ than his ZvZ.
It isn't three match-ups when you ladder a lot, which is what he did in for example Korea. Also, for other people who play one race, every match-up help them in their mechanics for the other match-ups, but that isn't the case for Morrow.
Though it is pointless to argue about it. Just the fact that no player in the history of Brood War, Warcraft 3 or Starcraft 2 has been able to master two or more races (random) at the highest of level is enough to show how impractical it is. So unless you consider yourself way more talented than all people who have ever played RTS games, stick to one race.
Grubby won tournaments with both Human and Orc but yea its unusual and his changes were because bad race matchups in WC3.
Seems sad for Morrow, not sure what to think good luck to him in the future.
Grubby never won tournaments playing human, gooby pls ...
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. Best of luck to him and congrats to Protosser.
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