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this makes me fking depressed. I always felt hongun had all the ability to be the best protoss in the world he just didn't seem to have it all click. maybe if he had dedicated himself and played more standard he could have been. I hope he comes back for HOTS but he probably won't.
I'm going to go listen to katatonia and my dying bride for 8 hrs straight and probably cry myself to sleep when I'm done.
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I don't think Artosis will be too sad about this ;p
Noooo HongUn =(
The CarrierToss is gone.
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HongUn fighting he is one of the few players who've consitently made the GSL worth it even since the early days
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On July 04 2012 14:53 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 14:22 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 12:30 Gamegene wrote:On June 28 2012 00:32 aintz wrote:On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote:
mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for. still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a? because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them.better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all. and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification. First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet. I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world. Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated. It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works. I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant. However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't. I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified.
HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
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On July 04 2012 16:37 CodeskyE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 14:53 Gamegene wrote:On July 04 2012 14:22 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 12:30 Gamegene wrote:On June 28 2012 00:32 aintz wrote:On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote:
mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for. still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a? because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them.better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all. and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification. First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet. I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world. Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated. It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works. I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant. However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't. I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified. HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
way to miss the point completely
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On July 04 2012 16:37 CodeskyE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 14:53 Gamegene wrote:On July 04 2012 14:22 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 12:30 Gamegene wrote:On June 28 2012 00:32 aintz wrote:On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote:
mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for. still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a? because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them.better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all. and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification. First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet. I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world. Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated. It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works. I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant. However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't. I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified. HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player.
That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win.
I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again.
I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end.
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On July 05 2012 03:17 MentalGNT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 16:37 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 14:53 Gamegene wrote:On July 04 2012 14:22 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 12:30 Gamegene wrote:On June 28 2012 00:32 aintz wrote:On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote:
mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for. still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a? because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them.better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all. and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification. First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet. I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world. Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated. It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works. I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant. However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't. I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified. HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player. That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win. I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again. I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end.
I don't get why you're bitching. If he was able to get through the qualifiers unmotivated and with the same level of play he had shown against MMA, what makes you think anyone else in that qualifier that couldn't beat him would do better? If they can't beat HongUn, they don't deserve a Code A spot. Some people just love to bash on others.
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On July 05 2012 03:28 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:17 MentalGNT wrote:On July 04 2012 16:37 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 14:53 Gamegene wrote:On July 04 2012 14:22 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 12:30 Gamegene wrote:On June 28 2012 00:32 aintz wrote:On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote:
mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for. still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a? because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them.better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all. and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification. First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet. I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world. Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated. It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works. I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant. However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't. I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified. HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player. That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win. I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again. I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end. I don't get why you're bitching. If he was able to get through the qualifiers unmotivated and with the same level of play he had shown against MMA, what makes you think anyone else in that qualifier that couldn't beat him would do better? If they can't beat HongUn, they don't deserve a Code A spot. Some people just love to bash on others.
I didn't mean to bash on him, so if it came off that way I apologize. I don't know how well he played in the qualifiers, but his Code A games against MMA were just sad, and I don't know how anyone who saw it can disagree.
He did the same sloppy voidray all-in 2 games in a row and hardly tried to micro in either of the games.
I'm not mad at him or anything, but when he says that he is going to disappoint his fans even before the games, and then proceeds to play like this, I feel that it's a real shame. If he hadn't tried the qualifiers, we would have seen a (perhaps less talented, but far more motivated) player try his best to beat MMA. I'm sure that would have lead to better games than what we saw, and Hongun could have left the scene without disappointing his fans.
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On July 05 2012 04:18 MentalGNT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:28 MonkSEA wrote:On July 05 2012 03:17 MentalGNT wrote:On July 04 2012 16:37 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 14:53 Gamegene wrote:On July 04 2012 14:22 CodeskyE wrote:On July 04 2012 12:30 Gamegene wrote:On June 28 2012 00:32 aintz wrote:On June 27 2012 13:35 Gamegene wrote:
mother fucker. why bother trying out for Code A when you don't even intend to put in any effort.
that's one spot some rookie would have killed for. still defeated the others trying to qualify didnt he lol. why let a rookie that even he can beat into code a? because they'll at the very least try, and do more with the opportunity presented to them.better than someone who blatantly does not want to do anything with the scene at all. and there are many highly competitive professional players that are repeatedly denied qualification. First bold - It doesn't matter if those other Code B players "try". If they couldn't even beat HongUn, then they don't deserve Code A yet. I have friends that are grandmasters and high masters, and they try their very hardest and compete in tournaments. Does that mean that they deserve Code A spot? No. If that was the case, then there will be hundreds, if not, thousands of players in Code A because they "try". That's not how it works in the real world. Second bold - It's true that there are highly competitive professional players that are denied qualification. But, how is that HongUn's fault exactly? He has nothing to do with that. Have you ever thought that it's actually quite sad that those players HongUn beat in Code B can't even beat him? Imagine if HongUn was motivated. It's very simple, beat the competition to gain a Code A spot (unless a foreigner was invited for a spot). It doesn't matter who you're playing against. That is how reality works. I agree that rules are rules, and that players have to go through the procedures. That what could have happened is irrelevant. However, the attitude that's displayed by HongUn just doesn't agree with me. Personally. So there's no need to lecture me on what is "real" and what isn't. I'm not happy with it, but I'm not implying that HongUn wasn't playing at a high level, or that his skill and playstyle should not be respected. I'm not happy that he had to waste a spot, but that does not mean that I am saying that he should not have qualified. HongUn played SlayersMMA right off the bat in this season's Code A. MMA is a former GSL Code S Champion. Can't really blame HongUn for losing, as MMA is a great player. That's not the point. Hongun didn't care about this game, and this was shown in his play. He would probably have lost to basically anyone in Code A, since it seemed from his interview that he didn't even want to win. I'm with Gamegene on this one. Of course he was good enough to go through the qualifiers and therefore he "deserved" the spot, but I think his final approach was really bad. I had hoped that he would at least try, since he no doubt knew that many had been looking forward to him play again. I like Hongun for what he did during 2011, but I feel that it's a shame how little he seemed to care in the end. I don't get why you're bitching. If he was able to get through the qualifiers unmotivated and with the same level of play he had shown against MMA, what makes you think anyone else in that qualifier that couldn't beat him would do better? If they can't beat HongUn, they don't deserve a Code A spot. Some people just love to bash on others. I didn't mean to bash on him, so if it came off that way I apologize. I don't know how well he played in the qualifiers, but his Code A games against MMA were just sad, and I don't know how anyone who saw it can disagree. He did the same sloppy voidray all-in 2 games in a row and hardly tried to micro in either of the games. I'm not mad at him or anything, but when he says that he is going to disappoint his fans even before the games, and then proceeds to play like this, I feel that it's a real shame. If he hadn't tried the qualifiers, we would have seen a (perhaps less talented, but far more motivated) player try his best to beat MMA. I'm sure that would have lead to better games than what we saw, and Hongun could have left the scene without disappointing his fans.
He hardly tried to micro? Game 2 on Entombed he had some really impressive(trademark HongUn style) void ray micro that kept him in the game longer then he should have normally been able to stay in. Now you're REALLY sounding like you're bashing him.
And if he didn't participate in the qualifiers then someone who couldn't beat even HongUn would of advanced.. and stood no chance versus MMA. You're making it seem like HongUn ruined peoples lives because of this.
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