EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 61
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:55 LgN.EijZrA wrote: Spades really? Tal'Darim 32:50 Moves more than half of his army to stop a giant drop he doesn't see...And scans AFTER he moves his units to defend it... He actually may have seen it slightly with his floating rax, then scanned it after seeing the small blip, so he may have seen it before it came. Catz checked that out because someone in chat brought it up. | ||
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WHyTePoWeR
Korea (South)132 Posts
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:54 Benjamin99 wrote: Look at the tal darim game 32.50 and explain that? Thats the most obvious map hack I ever seen jesus crist man. Im actually discusted that someone would defend him People need to re- look at that replay there is a floating barracks on the left corner that spots the smallest glimpse of red, its still sketchy but its not concrete evidence. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:14 whiterabbit wrote: TeamLiquid forbids more then one account, and surely should forbid someone hidding behind smurf and throwing career-breaking accusations without real proof. Because this thread is still alive, even if 50+ pages after there is no real proof, I'll guess TL mods know who OP is and decided to forget about rules. Anyway, I kinda lost a ton of respect for TL today. Letting this go, as it is, is worse then Reddit without moderation...  On reddit, bad posts can be downvoted. No so here on TL. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
The only thing that I think they have gotten really accurate so far was Spades reacting to the mass drop at 32:50 on Tal Darim. There's really no explanation there why he would have unsieged the majority of his tanks when Lucifron's main army was outside, then scan an area inside his base he didn't have vision on when the drop was coming. That, I'm very confused about. | ||
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:56 Spades wrote: did you stop listening after they said i saw units with my barracks. also why move my whole army and let him kill my 3rd for free, i wouldve left more behind if i was hacking. you moved your army 30 seconds after you saw 3 units with one scan? Okay, if you say so. i'm not a pro player so w/e | ||
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HansK
249 Posts
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MVega
763 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:49 Spades wrote: I am playing very badly. I'm watching the screen. I really wish some hacker would come and clarify how all this works so I dont get called out for some "screen lock" Don't worry, you know you didn't cheat. The way that the screen lock works, and I spent like an hour reading the technical details of that btw since this thread is so popular, it's pretty obvious you weren't using it. For one it's supposedly an option that you have to toggle each time you want to look into the fog of war. In other words you would have to be the most active and yet worst map hacker ever to turn that on every single time you looked into the fog of war. Secondly it auto toggles itself off if you start to do other stuff. So all this talk about your camera being focused on X for a long time being indicative of cheating is wrong since it's very evident that at all times you're performing other actions in that location where the camera is locked ... Otherwise the screen lock would have toggled itself off. It's designed to work that way so that it doesn't look too suspicious. Pretty shocking that people are taking a guy's career so lightly. :/ | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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`CygnuS`
United States14 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:49 Crowned wrote: How can anyone argue the 32:50 peak on Tal Darim? Seriously. This is probably the most solid proof you will get. You don't just unsiege half of your siege tanks to out of the blue. He saw the drop coming with his map hacks, and he scanned just so it doesn't look suspicious. | ||
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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Xorphene
United Kingdom492 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:55 ampson wrote: Lucifron was doing drop play, he saw the army retreat from the 3rd, the top of the main was wide fucking open. Where else was he going to do a drop. Just proves that spades has halfway decent game sense. More concrete evidence will be needed to convince me. So he moves his ENTIRE army there? Really? Where is the differentiation between a 2 medivac drop and a doom drop? He saw a flash on the minimap for a split second. He moves his entire army because he *KNOWS* Lucifron is doom dropping him and there is NO CHANCE of a multipronged push. *sigh* these games vs Ognis aren't looking great either. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:57 darthfoley wrote: you moved your army 30 seconds after you saw 3 units with one scan? Okay, if you say so. i'm not a pro player so w/e 3 units can= 3 medivacs can= 12 marauders which would certainly necessitate the response that he gave. The 30 seconds can be chalked up to travel time of the medivacs and him being distracted by action at 3rd. The 32:50 incident is nowhere near concrete evidence. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:57 FabledIntegral wrote: I'd say I'm pretty damn good at play analysis, and I have to say that a lot of the things CatZ is pointing out is not that great of evidence towards Spades being a hacker. A lot of it, while fishy, could have been chance, or simply smart play. Many things like moving back and forth seemed normal because it was Lucifron's style to be pulling him back and forth. The only thing that I think they have gotten really accurate so far was Spades reacting to the mass drop at 32:50 on Tal Darim. There's really no explanation there why he would have unsieged the majority of his tanks when Lucifron's main army was outside, then scan an area inside his base he didn't have vision on when the drop was coming. That, I'm very confused about. Floating rax apparently saw it for a split second. | ||
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PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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