07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here
10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.
08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.
Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.
(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
On June 05 2012 11:29 legaton wrote: Seeing Illusion's stream for 3 minutes was one of the most saddening experience i have ever had in TL, Catz and Illusion are trying so hard to push forward the most spurious arguments to prove that Spades is hacking is not even funny. I love the fact that both making mistaking (advancing in range of tanks he should think are sieged because he saw some medivacs) and making normal moves (scanning in front of your army just before moving is called "a perfect scanning".... yeah, certainly, because if you don't scan in TvT, you walk on sieged tanks...) are used to prove he hacks. Both of them should just ladder more for MLG, instead of streaming these kind of petty vendettas.
Keep watching, less bitching. Explain that scan lol
Ope, a player who doesn't understand the MU. I don't know if you know this, but sometimes a scan sees EVERY tech structure, sees EVERY unit in the army, sees EVERY piece of data... And sometimes it literally is empty. God forbid, ironically he had a good scan... Must be hacks right? Hell, we best ban around 30% of the Terran community because they happen to land some good scans.
No one, literally no one will scan a base randomly without first having confirmed which location they spawned at with an initial SCV scout. This isn't a bronze/silver league game.
Unless of course he was hacking and tried to "scan" to show that he wasn't, but messed up and forgot that he hadn't scouted the position yet.
On June 05 2012 11:37 Jono7272 wrote: So scary how good the hacks are now, Blizzard really need to act fast or this could completely ruin (if it hasn't already) online tournaments.
I'm waiting for the more interesting hacks to show up. Like this:
On June 05 2012 11:29 legaton wrote: Seeing Illusion's stream for 3 minutes was one of the most saddening experience i have ever had in TL, Catz and Illusion are trying so hard to push forward the most spurious arguments to prove that Spades is hacking is not even funny. I love the fact that both making mistaking (advancing in range of tanks he should think are sieged because he saw some medivacs) and making normal moves (scanning in front of your army just before moving is called "a perfect scanning".... yeah, certainly, because if you don't scan in TvT, you walk on sieged tanks...) are used to prove he hacks. Both of them should just ladder more for MLG, instead of streaming these kind of petty vendettas.
Keep watching, less bitching. Explain that scan lol
Exactly. Explain leading with your tanks into fog of war in a contested area with NO scan/scouting intel. They are doing just fine with their analysis and they are winning me over in thinking that Spades is a POS. I'm viewing the information they are relaying with the utmost objectivity.
People need to realize that good hackers will let fuckups happen or will turn off hacks at times to seem legit. People did that shit all the time in cs.
I'm listening to this analysis, Spades just looks like he's playing badly. Leading with the tanks on Shakuras got them killed and wouldn't someone with a maphack see the opposing army moving towards the third and not send his whole army back to deal with the drop? I feel like Spades just got flustered... it happens. They're looking for reasons to prove him guilty instead of innocent, i feel.
On June 05 2012 11:41 ChrysaliS_ wrote: On Shakuras Spades scanned Lucifron's base without even knowing which spawn position he was in. So either Spades is a complete fucking retard or he was hacking.
On June 05 2012 11:41 ChrysaliS_ wrote: On Shakuras Spades scanned Lucifron's base without even knowing which spawn position he was in. So either Spades is a complete fucking retard or he was hacking.
Spoilers
MLG shakuras is forced cross
oddly enough... the scv that was scouting for spades was being sent to the other base first... which is pretty indicative that he wasn't aware of that... if its actually true
They're doing their case a great disservice by exaggerating so much. "He looks at his base for like 10 seconds," when he actually does it for like.. 3. Stuff like that is just silly. There's a lot of confirmation bias going on here, whether it's correct or not.
This isn't funny... Why is everyone laughing about fucking over someones career without having complete proof of hacking? Then we have this completely biased stream analysis where they're laughing about how much they think he's hacking and laughing at how TT1 knows so much about hacking because HE WAS ONE! If he really is a hacker then he deserves the hate but the analysis, especially on stream, should be unbiased or have people trying to defend Spades aswell as people trying to prove he's hacking. Trying to prove someone is a hacker NEEDS to be completely professional and done with caution, not laughing about it on stream where all these retarded kids will jump on the bandwagon and say "HAHA what a retarded hacker, stupid fucker. PAYAM SO FUNNY AHAHAH". What a joke...
On June 05 2012 11:41 ChrysaliS_ wrote: On Shakuras Spades scanned Lucifron's base without even knowing which spawn position he was in. So either Spades is a complete fucking retard or he was hacking.
Spoilers
MLG shakuras is forced cross
they said on stream it wasn't forced crossed, don't know which one of you is right
I am watching the stream and their accusation is basically backed up by mix of strange bad play and fishy decisions, right? Shouldn't you be able to find that kind of mix of every single high Masters player and semi-pro? When you approach to replay analysing with "this player is hacking for sure" (like CatZ and friends do) you will SEE bunch of quasi-evidence.
Did they show any real proof by now? (I was afk couple of times during the stream till now)
On June 05 2012 11:41 ChrysaliS_ wrote: On Shakuras Spades scanned Lucifron's base without even knowing which spawn position he was in. So either Spades is a complete fucking retard or he was hacking.
Spoilers
MLG shakuras is forced cross
Scv was on its way to the bottom base at the time of scan :/
On June 05 2012 11:41 ChrysaliS_ wrote: On Shakuras Spades scanned Lucifron's base without even knowing which spawn position he was in. So either Spades is a complete fucking retard or he was hacking.
Spoilers
MLG shakuras is forced cross
oddly enough... the scv that was scouting for spades was being sent to the other base first... which is pretty indicative that he wasn't aware of that... if its actually true
Maybe he remembered it after sending the scv? He didn't let it go all the way in to the bottom base before he scanned. And what do you mean if its actually true?
"10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here."
And what in the absolute fuck is this. We are not a fucking jury. Not even close. It's clearly understood at this point someone has made a claim. They know how to use the search function if they need to find the replay in question to pm someone with an opinion. The only thing keeping this thread open is doing is allowing people to add fuel to a fire that potentially shouldn't even be burning. If you're not going to start banning people for pointlessly slandering, then close this thread and stop letting people bump this shit, stop letting this get more attention than is needed to resolve the issue. Take some responsibility for the role you play in the community for fucks sake.
Eh what? They just said that spades went to deal with a drop he had no vision of on the tal'darim game yet the drop was ontop of his mineral line how would you not have vision?
what the hell, can these guys form a cohesive thought. this is just a clusterfuck and not organized at all. don't do this if you can't do it correctly.
On June 05 2012 11:41 ChrysaliS_ wrote: On Shakuras Spades scanned Lucifron's base without even knowing which spawn position he was in. So either Spades is a complete fucking retard or he was hacking.
Spoilers
MLG shakuras is forced cross
oddly enough... the scv that was scouting for spades was being sent to the other base first... which is pretty indicative that he wasn't aware of that... if its actually true
Maybe he remembered it after sending the scv? He didn't let it go all the way in to the bottom base before he scanned. And what do you mean if its actually true?
On June 05 2012 11:41 ChrysaliS_ wrote: On Shakuras Spades scanned Lucifron's base without even knowing which spawn position he was in. So either Spades is a complete fucking retard or he was hacking.
Spoilers
MLG shakuras is forced cross
oddly enough... the scv that was scouting for spades was being sent to the other base first... which is pretty indicative that he wasn't aware of that... if its actually true
Maybe he remembered it after sending the scv? He didn't let it go all the way in to the bottom base before he scanned. And what do you mean if its actually true?
EPT
