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On September 20 2012 06:37 Nihilnovi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 06:03 NexCa wrote:
i really wonder how he'll do on the EU ladder, guess he won't make GM on EU ...what? I'm top 10% masters on EU while playing on average ~1 game a day since sc2 got released and meeting tons of GMs, and let me tell you this: There is little to no difference between a masters player and someone thats #30-#200 GM.
Its the ~top30(number taken out of ass on a spontaneous memory recollection of opponents faced since GM launched) that are the real beasts.Dont forget GM is top 200 from the first 2 weeks of the season, and a lot of those are boosted accounts or mid/high-masters players on a lucky cheeserun. Either way, someone like Destiny will make EU GM without breaking a sweat.
Lol, just no.
Playing against low GM feels like playing against high masters, that is correct. However, going ranks higher in GM from 100 (or even from 150), you can really start feeling the difference. For example, when I still played sc2 actively I really struggled playing against Slavik when I got matched against him and he was about what, GM rank 55 ? (That was kinda random, I guess I got to play him just because it was late night and there were no opponents lol). Top top masters (pros who didn't make into GM in time) are the only exception, other than that, your statement is false.
Also, we are talking about high/top masters compared to GMs. Low and mid masters are nothing close to GM. It's like comparing silver to diamond league.
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Since MoW gets a bigger ad revenue with Twitch.tv and most of the contracts include streaming and taking x% of the stream revenue, will Destiny stream to Twitch.tv again ?
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Destiny + MoW = drama dream team 
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Well.....it says destiny is ABOUT to join...but OP says he is already there. Which one? lol
Good luck destiny, better improve your level of maturity and attitude first, and you will go far.
I can already sense this thread is going to turn into a flame thread about Destiny...
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On September 20 2012 17:59 dynwar7 wrote:
Well.....it says destiny is ABOUT to join...but OP says he is already there. Which one? lol
Let's try to get the facts straight. Look at the topic. It is "Destiny is about to join Ministry of Win" and dates back to June 02 2012 .
Now take a look at the OP:
UPDATE:
Steven is already in the house!
So... it seems that OP was updated. Take a look at the little note on the bottom right of the OP:
Last edit: 2012-09-20 18:58:05
Yes! It is today. Mystery solved!
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Let's see if Destiny can make something!
Cheers
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Gee can't wait for the drama, like destiny hiring 50 manwhores or something
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On September 20 2012 17:02 nucLeaRTV wrote:
Since MoW gets a bigger ad revenue with Twitch.tv and most of the contracts include streaming and taking x% of the stream revenue, will Destiny stream to Twitch.tv again ?
That's only the case if this specific clause is included in the contract and we will not be seeing his contract any time soon.
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On September 20 2012 22:47 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 17:59 dynwar7 wrote:
Well.....it says destiny is ABOUT to join...but OP says he is already there. Which one? lol
Let's try to get the facts straight. Look at the topic. It is "Destiny is about to join Ministry of Win" and dates back to June 02 2012 . Now take a look at the OP: So... it seems that OP was updated. Take a look at the little note on the bottom right of the OP: Yes! It is today. Mystery solved!
You must be some sort of wizard.
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On September 20 2012 04:30 algorithm0r wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:31 Nerski wrote:
I'll say right off I've never been a fan of Destiny's personality, he's many of times done things that are just far far out of line and extremely insensitive.
That said the reality is for his fans is he'll probably never live up to whatever potential to improve he may have had. In this day in age it's quite difficult to overcome the hurdle from being 'good' to becoming 'great' without at least some team support. Except for maybe in a few cases were you could argue someone was a savant. If you'd argue Destiny was a savant capable of doing it on his own, he probably would have by now. Which obviously he has been unable to do so I think you can safely say on his own he wont.
I think it's fair to say he'll probably remain as his been for a while, an outspoken individual who carries X amount of following which allows him to at least exist only playing SC2. Eventually people will probably get bored of it and he'll retire out of gaming without really having truly accomplished to much.
Which at the end of the day was his choice, he chose to speak his mind all the time regardless of who he might offend and scared off every team/sponsor he's been associated with. So long as he's happy with that so be it, his fans just need to realize that's 99.9% likely to be the case.
Seems a bit bitter... Destiny is a strong player on a level with many others in the lower pro ranks and it is certainly possible with some dedicated practice time at MoW he could move up in his play. Further, I'd say having a following of size X when Destiny never won any major tournament and making a decent living off of that following is something major he has accomplished in his SC2 career (brings to mind... um... Day[9]...), something many other pros have never and will never accomplish. For instance, what is it that you have accomplished Nerski? And how much of a following or income has it got you? While a fan of you and your playing I must say that it is a shame you have to come and bad mouth Destiny.
You misunderstand what I was getting at, and what I was trying to point out. Regardless of if you love or hate destiny (which I pointed out my perspective), he is what he is. Primarily someone who you'd consider a decent player who due to his personality entertains X audience and scares off most 'legit' teams.
So sure he's done decently for himself you can't argue that. However, his fans and i'm generalizing here, have a tendency to lash out at anyone who doesn't think highly of him. So the point in my post was just to give some perspective on what his fans should expect out of him.
If being part of Root, Quantic, Root again wasn't enough to get him focused and out of the lower tier of pros paying to be part of MoW (or not paying I don't know what his contract states) probably won't be the magic pill he needs. Not when the 'team' environment your surrounding yourself with isn't really truly vested in his success as a player. They are all paying to be there so largely they'll only be vested in their own success.
So the point was his fans shouldn't get their hopes way up and expect anything different of him then they've gotten before. It's unlikely he'll suddenly become saint of the community, and equally unlikely he'll suddenly become much if at all better then he has been as a player. At least not without a fairly sizable shift in how he's presented himself and how much he's focused in the past.
Does that mean i'd fault anyone for cheering for him, no to each their own. I was speaking more towards the super combative people who tend to lash out at anything that isn't praising towards him.
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On September 20 2012 08:10 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 06:37 Nihilnovi wrote:On September 20 2012 06:03 NexCa wrote:
i really wonder how he'll do on the EU ladder, guess he won't make GM on EU ...what? I'm top 10% masters on EU while playing on average ~1 game a day since sc2 got released and meeting tons of GMs, and let me tell you this: There is little to no difference between a masters player and someone thats #30-#200 GM.
Its the ~top30(number taken out of ass on a spontaneous memory recollection of opponents faced since GM launched) that are the real beasts.Dont forget GM is top 200 from the first 2 weeks of the season, and a lot of those are boosted accounts or mid/high-masters players on a lucky cheeserun. Either way, someone like Destiny will make EU GM without breaking a sweat. Lol, just no. Playing against low GM feels like playing against high masters, that is correct. However, going ranks higher in GM from 100 (or even from 150), you can really start feeling the difference. For example, when I still played sc2 actively I really struggled playing against Slavik when I got matched against him and he was about what, GM rank 55 ? (That was kinda random, I guess I got to play him just because it was late night and there were no opponents lol). Top top masters (pros who didn't make into GM in time) are the only exception, other than that, your statement is false. Also, we are talking about high/top masters compared to GMs. Low and mid masters are nothing close to GM. It's like comparing silver to diamond league.
Our experience differs, I don't feel this difference you mention between 150 and 100 GMs, my point is that from my experience someone thats 31-200 is on the same level as someone that is #30 at any given time, what I mean by this is that season after season you see more or less the same people on top, if they are not there then they are in masters cos they didnt get into gm the first 2 weeks, and that anyone that gets into GM can also get to a certain rank within it.
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On September 21 2012 06:08 Nerski wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 04:30 algorithm0r wrote:On September 20 2012 03:31 Nerski wrote:
I'll say right off I've never been a fan of Destiny's personality, he's many of times done things that are just far far out of line and extremely insensitive.
That said the reality is for his fans is he'll probably never live up to whatever potential to improve he may have had. In this day in age it's quite difficult to overcome the hurdle from being 'good' to becoming 'great' without at least some team support. Except for maybe in a few cases were you could argue someone was a savant. If you'd argue Destiny was a savant capable of doing it on his own, he probably would have by now. Which obviously he has been unable to do so I think you can safely say on his own he wont.
I think it's fair to say he'll probably remain as his been for a while, an outspoken individual who carries X amount of following which allows him to at least exist only playing SC2. Eventually people will probably get bored of it and he'll retire out of gaming without really having truly accomplished to much.
Which at the end of the day was his choice, he chose to speak his mind all the time regardless of who he might offend and scared off every team/sponsor he's been associated with. So long as he's happy with that so be it, his fans just need to realize that's 99.9% likely to be the case.
Seems a bit bitter... Destiny is a strong player on a level with many others in the lower pro ranks and it is certainly possible with some dedicated practice time at MoW he could move up in his play. Further, I'd say having a following of size X when Destiny never won any major tournament and making a decent living off of that following is something major he has accomplished in his SC2 career (brings to mind... um... Day[9]...), something many other pros have never and will never accomplish. For instance, what is it that you have accomplished Nerski? And how much of a following or income has it got you? While a fan of you and your playing I must say that it is a shame you have to come and bad mouth Destiny. You misunderstand what I was getting at, and what I was trying to point out. Regardless of if you love or hate destiny (which I pointed out my perspective), he is what he is. Primarily someone who you'd consider a decent player who due to his personality entertains X audience and scares off most 'legit' teams. So sure he's done decently for himself you can't argue that. However, his fans and i'm generalizing here, have a tendency to lash out at anyone who doesn't think highly of him. So the point in my post was just to give some perspective on what his fans should expect out of him. If being part of Root, Quantic, Root again wasn't enough to get him focused and out of the lower tier of pros paying to be part of MoW (or not paying I don't know what his contract states) probably won't be the magic pill he needs. Not when the 'team' environment your surrounding yourself with isn't really truly vested in his success as a player. They are all paying to be there so largely they'll only be vested in their own success.So the point was his fans shouldn't get their hopes way up and expect anything different of him then they've gotten before. It's unlikely he'll suddenly become saint of the community, and equally unlikely he'll suddenly become much if at all better then he has been as a player. At least not without a fairly sizable shift in how he's presented himself and how much he's focused in the past. Does that mean i'd fault anyone for cheering for him, no to each their own. I was speaking more towards the super combative people who tend to lash out at anything that isn't praising towards him.
Their own success is dependent on there being a "team" environment and this means that's it's vital for them to work together and share information etc, they will be helping themselves by helping each other.
Most fans of players are optimistic of their potential, you can't expect people who are fans to be pessimistic about someone they're a fan of. It seems to me like you're just trying to justify a douchy post, and both your posts reek of jealously, sorry.
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On September 20 2012 04:55 algorithm0r wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 04:33 EnE wrote:On September 20 2012 04:30 algorithm0r wrote:On September 20 2012 03:31 Nerski wrote:
I'll say right off I've never been a fan of Destiny's personality, he's many of times done things that are just far far out of line and extremely insensitive.
That said the reality is for his fans is he'll probably never live up to whatever potential to improve he may have had. In this day in age it's quite difficult to overcome the hurdle from being 'good' to becoming 'great' without at least some team support. Except for maybe in a few cases were you could argue someone was a savant. If you'd argue Destiny was a savant capable of doing it on his own, he probably would have by now. Which obviously he has been unable to do so I think you can safely say on his own he wont.
I think it's fair to say he'll probably remain as his been for a while, an outspoken individual who carries X amount of following which allows him to at least exist only playing SC2. Eventually people will probably get bored of it and he'll retire out of gaming without really having truly accomplished to much.
Which at the end of the day was his choice, he chose to speak his mind all the time regardless of who he might offend and scared off every team/sponsor he's been associated with. So long as he's happy with that so be it, his fans just need to realize that's 99.9% likely to be the case.
Seems a bit bitter... Destiny is a strong player on a level with many others in the lower pro ranks and it is certainly possible with some dedicated practice time at MoW he could move up in his play. Further, I'd say having a following of size X when Destiny never won any major tournament and making a decent living off of that following is something major he has accomplished in his SC2 career (brings to mind... um... Day[9]...), something many other pros have never and will never accomplish. For instance, what is it that you have accomplished Nerski? And how much of a following or income has it got you? While a fan of you and your playing I must say that it is a shame you have to come and bad mouth Destiny. Actually, Day9 won WCG NA back in 2005 playing Starcraft: Broodwar. So I presume you mean that every Day[9] fan is some BW fanboy from 2005? C'mon man. Day[9] has done nothing but cast SC2 and most of his fans probably have no idea about WCG 2005. The context of my comment was SC2.
The thing is Day9 was basically a caster since sc2 release, he was never an sc2 player. So it's only normal he didn't win shit. It's not like Artosis, Tasteless, Apollo or djWHEAT won anything in sc2, yet they do have a fanbase. MY point being, dont put players and casters into the same box.
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On September 20 2012 17:45 -Archangel- wrote:Destiny + MoW = drama dream team
Yea, this pretty much sums up that relationship. MoW saw a business in gaming drama and personalities, then went and got the biggest personality in SC2. As an emerging company, you have two ways to get noticed. One, through hardwork and skill. Two, through bad-good publicity which gets the crowds who watch the kardasians on a daily basis. Most people in general are idiots. If I was going to start a company, i'd take the same route. I'd want to appeal to the '99 percent' (who are idiots).
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On September 21 2012 07:17 Coated wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 17:45 -Archangel- wrote:Destiny + MoW = drama dream team Yea, this pretty much sums up that relationship. MoW saw a business in gaming drama and personalities, then went and got the biggest personality in SC2. As an emerging company, you have two ways to get noticed. One, through hardwork and skill. Two, through bad-good publicity which gets the crowds who watch the kardasians on a daily basis. Most people in general are idiots. If I was going to start a company, i'd take the same route. I'd want to appeal to the '99 percent' (who are idiots).
That was pretty severe...
Be careful what you say.
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Nerski, many pro players have come out and said that being in a team house doesn't mean they get to play or collaborate with their teammates. Yes, they live and play side by side but they don't necessarily play together. Destiny has plenty of people he plays with. He plays with many of the pros on ladder, and he plays with his friends and ex-teammates... Just because he isn't on a team doesn't mean he can never play with those guys again.
Also, if you followed his stream while he was in Korea you would have seen how good he can get when he focuses on the game playing more than 40 games per day. It got to the point where he was beating almost every Korean Terran, and this was before the buff to zerg was released.
It just sounds like you're some random guy jumping on the hate bandwagon. "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
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i hope he does well in the house actually!! he has potential imo
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On September 21 2012 08:19 SilSol wrote:
i hope he does well in the house actually!! he has potential imo
Mhmm.
To the people saying "inc drama," I don't feel like that's going to happen after this last run of "hi, sponsors, im random guy who doesnt even use your brand." He also posted his "unrefined" schedule on his website. It's in the spoiler if you care to see it. ^^
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.destinysc2.com/streaming-schedule-in-poland/
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On September 21 2012 07:59 Urasim wrote: It got to the point where he was beating almost every Korean Terran, and this was before the buff to zerg was released. And before the big infestor nerf. ^^
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