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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
Zeroblabla
Profile Joined December 2015
4 Posts
December 22 2015 20:42 GMT
#10141
Nice
Zeroblabla
Profile Joined December 2015
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-23 07:52:03
December 23 2015 07:43 GMT
#10142
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 18:24:44
December 24 2015 17:09 GMT
#10143
Ok, I'm not one to throw out hacker accusations left and right and I won't claim to be 100% sure but I think this terran is a hacker.

Replay: http://lotv.spawningtool.com/7007/
Hacker name: Sparkly.
Server: NA.
League: Master.
Description: I was fucking around and went for the certified Rotti proxy tempest build. The terran, without any indications of facing a proxy what so ever perfectly finds my proxy at almost the exact time the fleet beacon is done (3.20). I reckon that spot on the map is a common proxy spot so I wont throw too much shade for that alone. However, later in the game, as I find myself outplayed I go for the good ol "when behind, dark shrine" and the opponent right away builds turrets RIGHT as the DT shrine is done (8.30). These two things when taken together at least indicate hacking. Not to mention the fact that when I was poking with my blink stalkers he seemed to be perfectly positioned to deal with it every time and especially went out to nowhere in order to snipe my mothership core when I wanted to blink into his main (8.30).

So in conclusion, I don't want to scream hacker without basing it on something, but at least there seems to be an indication.

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PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 17:12:31
December 24 2015 17:12 GMT
#10144
Post the replay so others can look at it.... and dont forgot what it says at the top of the topic:

"You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.)if you are going to accuse somebody."
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
December 24 2015 18:23 GMT
#10145
On December 25 2015 02:12 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
Post the replay so others can look at it.... and dont forgot what it says at the top of the topic:

"You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.)if you are going to accuse somebody."


Haha how could I have forgotten, had uploaded it and everything! It's there now.
To pray is to accept defeat.
Split Behemoth
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
France104 Posts
December 26 2015 18:42 GMT
#10146
Replay: http://lotv.spawningtool.com/7112/
Hacker name: Braionot
Server: EU
League: Master

Description :
I'm going for a cannon rush, he doesn't scout and pull 5 of his probes on mine BEFORE the probe even appear out of the fog.
During the game, snipes 4 of my warp prism with blink stalkers, two pretty far from his bases. After his initial pressure it's the only moment when his stalkers are moving on the map.
"I scout when i push" Adelscott
freizya
Profile Joined October 2012
United States223 Posts
January 02 2016 01:35 GMT
#10147
MC just played nero on stream(http://www.twitch.tv/bostossmc/v/33031818?t=2h07m31s vod). It was nero's old kr profile name changed from blitznoble, which he frequently streams on. In the replay it shows the same hotkeys as nero and he has the same speech/bm patterns that he normally does against others. This is the old thread where he was accused before(https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3gzutw/brawl_esports_nero_blatantly_cheating_on_other/). His profile on kr(battlenet://starcraft/profile/3/336498953790947328). Watching the vod he had no vision of the map for the first 15 minutes and only scanned to kill observers. Twitch has a second delay and with the reaction time he had to attack the warp prism it could not have been a stream cheat, thus maphacks.
(IMI)Relentless
Profile Joined December 2015
United States11 Posts
January 02 2016 05:56 GMT
#10148
On January 02 2016 10:35 freizya wrote:
MC just played nero on stream(http://www.twitch.tv/bostossmc/v/33031818?t=2h07m31s vod). It was nero's old kr profile name changed from blitznoble, which he frequently streams on. In the replay it shows the same hotkeys as nero and he has the same speech/bm patterns that he normally does against others. This is the old thread where he was accused before(https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3gzutw/brawl_esports_nero_blatantly_cheating_on_other/). His profile on kr(battlenet://starcraft/profile/3/336498953790947328). Watching the vod he had no vision of the map for the first 15 minutes and only scanned to kill observers. Twitch has a second delay and with the reaction time he had to attack the warp prism it could not have been a stream cheat, thus maphacks.



Its always the same EXACT person accusing Nero whenever someone hacks. Do you know how many people have said YOU hack? Mirg itself has been accused of harboring map hackers for over a year. If we are going to be honest then lets consider "MapHack" a blatant disregard of the rules of starcraft 2 and the spirit of the game, in the same sense I think we can all agree that ANY type of blatant attempt to undermine the game by breaking rules is equally as bad.
That being said wasn't Mirg DISQUALIFIED from SC2TL last year for not only using the same player TWICE but using an Academy player from PRIME who wasn't even on your team? How is this ANY different then your accusations?

If I were you I wouldn't be pointing fingers towards someone just because they are "bm" and automatically assuming they are Nero. However, make no mistake your team DID cheat in SC2TL last year and as the clan leader that makes you responsible for it.

By the way Nero will be streaming with monitor capture from now on. Next time you want to accuse someone don't just make claims like "its his KR account" how about show us a solid link proving its his account. Strong accusations require strong proof. Until then stop trying to ruin the career of a 15 year old KID just because you don't like him because you lose to him on ladder all the time.

He's just a kid, stop trying to bully him. Show a replay of him hacking vs MC, don't just show "A" player who happens to be Terran and is excessively bad mannered.
Nisticism
Profile Joined May 2015
41 Posts
January 02 2016 06:21 GMT
#10149
@ Relentless, he linked the vod, don't blame him for doing extra work in concluding it's Nero. Let me tell you it's probably... fuck it, definitely Nero hacking. Freizya was careful, not careless.
NA GM Zergie ~~ https://www.twitch.tv/charmquark_ ~~
(IMI)Relentless
Profile Joined December 2015
United States11 Posts
January 02 2016 06:27 GMT
#10150
On January 02 2016 15:21 Nisticism wrote:
@ Relentless, he linked the vod, don't blame him for doing extra work in concluding it's Nero. Let me tell you it's probably... fuck it, definitely Nero hacking. Freizya was careful, not careless.



He linked A vod from MC's stream, how does this implicate Nero? Just because this person is rude it implies its Nero??? lol
Nisticism
Profile Joined May 2015
41 Posts
January 02 2016 06:46 GMT
#10151
On January 02 2016 15:27 (IMI)Relentless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 15:21 Nisticism wrote:
@ Relentless, he linked the vod, don't blame him for doing extra work in concluding it's Nero. Let me tell you it's probably... fuck it, definitely Nero hacking. Freizya was careful, not careless.



He linked A vod from MC's stream, how does this implicate Nero? Just because this person is rude it implies its Nero??? lol


I don't think you read his whole post then. Apparently there is OTHER evidence to suggest that account was his old account, and he has been accused of hacking in the past. In addition bm and hotkeys provide further evidence. All of this should be considered in my opinion.
NA GM Zergie ~~ https://www.twitch.tv/charmquark_ ~~
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 02 2016 06:52 GMT
#10152
On January 02 2016 15:27 (IMI)Relentless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 15:21 Nisticism wrote:
@ Relentless, he linked the vod, don't blame him for doing extra work in concluding it's Nero. Let me tell you it's probably... fuck it, definitely Nero hacking. Freizya was careful, not careless.



He linked A vod from MC's stream, how does this implicate Nero? Just because this person is rude it implies its Nero??? lol

In his post he said that the hotkey pattern match, which historically has been a pretty reliable identifier as far as I understand.

Also, if you are going to complain that he is accusing someone of hacking with insufficient evidence, you probably shouldn't be accusing HIM of hacking with zero evidence. >_>

I mean.... I have no information about either side here, so can't tell who is in the right, but you're not making much sense with your posts as they are now.
(IMI)Relentless
Profile Joined December 2015
United States11 Posts
January 02 2016 07:53 GMT
#10153
On January 02 2016 15:52 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 15:27 (IMI)Relentless wrote:
On January 02 2016 15:21 Nisticism wrote:
@ Relentless, he linked the vod, don't blame him for doing extra work in concluding it's Nero. Let me tell you it's probably... fuck it, definitely Nero hacking. Freizya was careful, not careless.



He linked A vod from MC's stream, how does this implicate Nero? Just because this person is rude it implies its Nero??? lol

In his post he said that the hotkey pattern match, which historically has been a pretty reliable identifier as far as I understand.

Also, if you are going to complain that he is accusing someone of hacking with insufficient evidence, you probably shouldn't be accusing HIM of hacking with zero evidence. >_>

I mean.... I have no information about either side here, so can't tell who is in the right, but you're not making much sense with your posts as they are now.


I actually said "people think you hack" I didn't say he did or did not, I also did state that his clan was banned for cheating which is true. I made no contradictions, but he has to do better than someone using the same hotkeys. Nero has been playing and streaming on almost a daily basis and there hasn't been one report of him anywhere.
freizya
Profile Joined October 2012
United States223 Posts
January 02 2016 09:23 GMT
#10154
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3z31c1/nero13_year_old_mexican_kid_confirmed_maphacker/ - updated with proof of same hotkeys/same account from neros stream.
freizya
Profile Joined October 2012
United States223 Posts
January 02 2016 09:28 GMT
#10155
On January 02 2016 14:56 (IMI)Relentless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 10:35 freizya wrote:
MC just played nero on stream(http://www.twitch.tv/bostossmc/v/33031818?t=2h07m31s vod). It was nero's old kr profile name changed from blitznoble, which he frequently streams on. In the replay it shows the same hotkeys as nero and he has the same speech/bm patterns that he normally does against others. This is the old thread where he was accused before(https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3gzutw/brawl_esports_nero_blatantly_cheating_on_other/). His profile on kr(battlenet://starcraft/profile/3/336498953790947328). Watching the vod he had no vision of the map for the first 15 minutes and only scanned to kill observers. Twitch has a second delay and with the reaction time he had to attack the warp prism it could not have been a stream cheat, thus maphacks.



Its always the same EXACT person accusing Nero whenever someone hacks. Do you know how many people have said YOU hack? Mirg itself has been accused of harboring map hackers for over a year. If we are going to be honest then lets consider "MapHack" a blatant disregard of the rules of starcraft 2 and the spirit of the game, in the same sense I think we can all agree that ANY type of blatant attempt to undermine the game by breaking rules is equally as bad.
That being said wasn't Mirg DISQUALIFIED from SC2TL last year for not only using the same player TWICE but using an Academy player from PRIME who wasn't even on your team? How is this ANY different then your accusations?

If I were you I wouldn't be pointing fingers towards someone just because they are "bm" and automatically assuming they are Nero. However, make no mistake your team DID cheat in SC2TL last year and as the clan leader that makes you responsible for it.

By the way Nero will be streaming with monitor capture from now on. Next time you want to accuse someone don't just make claims like "its his KR account" how about show us a solid link proving its his account. Strong accusations require strong proof. Until then stop trying to ruin the career of a 15 year old KID just because you don't like him because you lose to him on ladder all the time.

He's just a kid, stop trying to bully him. Show a replay of him hacking vs MC, don't just show "A" player who happens to be Terran and is excessively bad mannered.


We weren't banned from SC2ITL, in fact we're playing in the upcoming season after dreamhack, good luck to IMI if you guys are enterered as well! glhf's
GETSCHWIFTY_69
Profile Joined December 2015
5 Posts
January 02 2016 10:47 GMT
#10156
hey by the way relentless is nero
(IMI)Relentless
Profile Joined December 2015
United States11 Posts
January 02 2016 18:31 GMT
#10157
On January 02 2016 19:47 GETSCHWIFTY_69 wrote:
hey by the way relentless is nero


Yes I must be him, why don't you msg me in game and I will show you all my replays with a totally different set of hotkeys. LOL

I also hosted clan wars while he played in them on his account... I'm a masters player not grandmasters and play Toss/Terran

(IMI)Relentless
Profile Joined December 2015
United States11 Posts
January 02 2016 18:31 GMT
#10158
On January 02 2016 18:28 freizya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 14:56 (IMI)Relentless wrote:
On January 02 2016 10:35 freizya wrote:
MC just played nero on stream(http://www.twitch.tv/bostossmc/v/33031818?t=2h07m31s vod). It was nero's old kr profile name changed from blitznoble, which he frequently streams on. In the replay it shows the same hotkeys as nero and he has the same speech/bm patterns that he normally does against others. This is the old thread where he was accused before(https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3gzutw/brawl_esports_nero_blatantly_cheating_on_other/). His profile on kr(battlenet://starcraft/profile/3/336498953790947328). Watching the vod he had no vision of the map for the first 15 minutes and only scanned to kill observers. Twitch has a second delay and with the reaction time he had to attack the warp prism it could not have been a stream cheat, thus maphacks.



Its always the same EXACT person accusing Nero whenever someone hacks. Do you know how many people have said YOU hack? Mirg itself has been accused of harboring map hackers for over a year. If we are going to be honest then lets consider "MapHack" a blatant disregard of the rules of starcraft 2 and the spirit of the game, in the same sense I think we can all agree that ANY type of blatant attempt to undermine the game by breaking rules is equally as bad.
That being said wasn't Mirg DISQUALIFIED from SC2TL last year for not only using the same player TWICE but using an Academy player from PRIME who wasn't even on your team? How is this ANY different then your accusations?

If I were you I wouldn't be pointing fingers towards someone just because they are "bm" and automatically assuming they are Nero. However, make no mistake your team DID cheat in SC2TL last year and as the clan leader that makes you responsible for it.

By the way Nero will be streaming with monitor capture from now on. Next time you want to accuse someone don't just make claims like "its his KR account" how about show us a solid link proving its his account. Strong accusations require strong proof. Until then stop trying to ruin the career of a 15 year old KID just because you don't like him because you lose to him on ladder all the time.

He's just a kid, stop trying to bully him. Show a replay of him hacking vs MC, don't just show "A" player who happens to be Terran and is excessively bad mannered.


We weren't banned from SC2ITL, in fact we're playing in the upcoming season after dreamhack, good luck to IMI if you guys are enterered as well! glhf's



you were last year though
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
January 02 2016 18:52 GMT
#10159
On January 03 2016 03:31 (IMI)Relentless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 19:47 GETSCHWIFTY_69 wrote:
hey by the way relentless is nero


Yes I must be him, why don't you msg me in game and I will show you all my replays with a totally different set of hotkeys. LOL

I also hosted clan wars while he played in them on his account... I'm a masters player not grandmasters and play Toss/Terran


I mean he literally plays on the account [lMl] Relentless on stream so it's not really a surprise that yet another new account is being created just to defend Nero and throw hacking accusations at everyone else who provided proof against him.
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(IMI)Relentless
Profile Joined December 2015
United States11 Posts
January 02 2016 19:39 GMT
#10160
On January 03 2016 03:52 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 03:31 (IMI)Relentless wrote:
On January 02 2016 19:47 GETSCHWIFTY_69 wrote:
hey by the way relentless is nero


Yes I must be him, why don't you msg me in game and I will show you all my replays with a totally different set of hotkeys. LOL

I also hosted clan wars while he played in them on his account... I'm a masters player not grandmasters and play Toss/Terran


I mean he literally plays on the account [lMl] Relentless on stream so it's not really a surprise that yet another new account is being created just to defend Nero and throw hacking accusations at everyone else who provided proof against him.



This account was made last week in order to register for SC2TL, you can make programs to track span patterns but couldn't even see this account was made by me 5 days before the game vs MC. Nice job detective.

I never said he didn't play on my account, he did because he didn't have LOTV on his own account, I gave him my smurf account which he renamed "vagisil" and has played on it for quite some time now.

The problem for you is, where is there a replay of Nero playing on my account or on the account he currently is laddering on that has any evidence of him hacking?

I will gladly submit replays of him playing in our clan wars and you guys can tell me where he has ever hacked.
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