GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…

On April 12 2015 09:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:

Leave this out of the thread, that also goes for anyone else just bashing ppl.

Avilo is a manchild who cries over a video game and does(believe it or not) accuse a lot of people of cheating.

I just watched his video, then the vods and IMO nothing fishy.

On April 12 2015 10:08 WinterStarcraft wrote:
lol. here are my last 250 replays to confirm my hacking http://sc2replaystats.com/account/replays/4312/0/959221/1v1/AutoMM/21/0 (from the last few weeks)

On April 12 2015 10:13 v_lm wrote:



Where's the replay against Avilo ? Other replays during that period of time ? Erased ?

http://sc2replaystats.com/account/replays/4312/0/1156135/1v1/AutoMM/21/0

On April 12 2015 10:15 WinterStarcraft wrote:

I literally just uploaded the last few hundred replays from my folder, I don't have the legacy ones atm, I'll look for those (I use the scelight plugin for sc2 repstats and it auto uploads my HOTS replays, it doesn't work for LOTV yet)


EDIT: Here are my LOTV games http://sc2replaystats.com/account/replays/4312/0/1156135/1v1/AutoMM/21/0 (includes 2-0 v avilo)

On April 12 2015 10:08 WinterStarcraft wrote:
lol. here are my last 250 replays to confirm my hacking http://sc2replaystats.com/account/replays/4312/0/959221/1v1/AutoMM/21/0 (from the last few weeks)

EDIT: here are my LOTV games, accidentally linked only my HOTS GM account first http://sc2replaystats.com/account/replays/4312/0/1156135/1v1/AutoMM/21/0 (includes 2-0 vs avilo)

On April 12 2015 08:13 ROOTFayth wrote:
haha cmon avilo, u're the player i've seen accuse people of hacking the most out of... well everybody literally, you're probably #1, and I'm not even kidding

On April 12 2015 11:33 avilo wrote:


Releasing 200 replays of the past has nothing to do with the fact it appears you are hacking in the game i posted.
Can you explain what is this mysterious system you have to follow invisible units through the fog of war, and insta rallying to gas geysers on observer unit pathing?

Can you explain following a probe through the fog of war and clicking towards it and changing your unit pathing to get the probe? It's all just going to be luck right?

Hind sight 20/20 i should have posted this under a new account perhaps? Because people here are bashing me or saying things that have nothing to do with all of the evidence i have provided.

On April 12 2015 06:12 richlol wrote:
It's not against the law/ToS to google hacks and look at what capabilities the current hacks have. I'd suggest going to those sites so you at least have a better idea of what people are capable of and thus what to look for when you're analyzing replays.

There are overlays that reproduce a full minimap and even units on the main screen, as well as their intended movement destination, without it being displayed by OBS. Set OBS to record your "Game Screen" and it will only stream the SC2 process irregardless if you're windowed or have the hack overlay on. You can also just have a second screen and place the minimap overlay on that screen (what Avilo is suggesting, I suppose).

A look at the hacking sites implies that these overlays are used just as frequently as your normal "inject" maphacks and therefore make streaming your game as proof of not hacking irrelevant.

A good player with experience using a hack will have developed ways to try and hide that hack. These hackers will not blindlessly and blatantly counter your build/movements. Instead what one must look for in the replays is player behavior that by itself is probably not proof of hacking, but when combined with a game or several games of similarly suspicious behavior, would be enough to lead a reasonable person to believe that that person is most likely hacking.

It's easy to post replays of people who don't even take the effort to hide their hack. The real challenge is to go after the big fish who take all the effort to hide it -- those are the most rewarding :D

On April 12 2015 11:49 WinterStarcraft wrote:


Because TL is the only place to even pretend to have a legitimate discussion in sc2 I will give you a legitimate response. All of the evidence you have suggested is hacks is called "using active units". When you have an active unit like phoenixes you keep them on the map in the most valid locations. Several times you defend/overcharge your natural which forces my phoenixes to find another location to attack, which is obviously the main via the third. You send your probe out directly after overcharging SEVERAL times, to exactly where the logical place for me to move my phoenixes is. Most of those times the probe only enters my vision AFTER I have already sent a command into the main and I pick it up incidentally. Most of the game I did not even realize you had observers, or I would obviously have killed/avoided them. All luck.

EDIT: I would argue al;most 500 replays and over 100 hours of games would have more validity than 12 minutes of an offrace PvP.

On April 12 2015 11:55 avilo wrote:


The evidence i have provided shows more than "using active units." It shows that you have knowledge of things in the fog of war that you should have zero knowledge of.

You even self admittedly just said you do not even realize observers are on the map, yet your units are always perfectly pathed to them and their destination points, in the most blatant case at 11:29 with pin-point accuracy while your map is not even on the same screen as the command is given. You jump to the observer immediately after as if you know it's there...and then your screen stops when you seem to realize it's an invisible unit on your mini-map, not something that could be attacked.

The same thing happens multiple times in the game, with the same set of commands being issued.

On April 12 2015 11:56 WinterStarcraft wrote:


My patience lasted one post. I look forward to any player of professional experience agreeing with you on the convincing nature of these offences.

On April 12 2015 12:00 richlol wrote:


You, more than anyone here, have the power to "shut Avilo up", if you will, by streaming behind-the-shoulder games at a high level. But like I mentioned earlier, that's completely at your discretion. It's just the best advice I could give to anyone who's accused of hacking (you especially, because of your reputation).

On April 12 2015 05:58 avilo wrote:


What? Are you one of those that spews this bullshit? I rarely ever cry hacks on stream if ever any more. 1-2 months back i played a ton of players from IMBAQQ clan on my stream, as well as a few other random barcodes that were maphackers.

Stop spewing your ad hominem bullshit "OH HE CRIES HACKS EVERY 5 SEC ON STREAM" when it is not true.

Look at the evidence otherwise please do not even post in this thread.

On April 12 2015 12:06 WinterStarcraft wrote:


The more you acknowledge him the worse he will get (and others like him). I do my best to stay away from the drama but recently of course it becomes more and more impossible as there are many who literally create or convince themselves of things that are overwhelmingly fake, but go along with the others who are convinced they're true because it is easier.

I am obviously not hacking, nor would I need to to beat Avilo (especially in PvP, I already beat him in ZvT in LOTV as well which makes me surprised a PvP game was chosen as "evidence"). I'm not going to call for mods to delete these posts but I would like to hear the objective analysis of any professional player. Also objectively, if we are using the arguement "Avilo called Polt and Parting a hacker but this time we have to take what he says seriously" then it is hypocritical to use the arguement "Well Winter is a proven viewbotter (despite being cleared by Twitch and Blizzard) so he's probably hacking too."