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zelah
Profile Joined September 2010
United States45 Posts
August 02 2012 07:06 GMT
#1241
It was also interesting when he said coL offered him 3x his dignitas salary, so he went to dignitas and asked if they could at least match half of the new offer. It sounded like he really wanted to stay there.
nmetasch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States600 Posts
August 02 2012 07:14 GMT
#1242
This RealTalk episode has will have huge connotations for Naniwa's career. This was a great decision to ask JP to be on the show. I can already see many people bandwagoning on to Nani, and i'm glad he broke the portrayal that casted him as the evil villain.

On another note, I really, REALLY, love this show JP. Its by FAR my favorite of all of the talk shows, now even surpassing STOG. Don't ever stop this. Thanks!
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 02 2012 07:55 GMT
#1243
Nice to hear his side of the story
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
unbaal
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden44 Posts
August 02 2012 08:53 GMT
#1244
Really great interview actually. Good job JP and Nani loved to hear your side of things.

Btw some things NaNiwa said actually makes for a really good argument that we need a player-union when players sign contract with teams. I think back specifically to the Real Talk with 2GD. Where they discussed that matter more in depth.

2GD make it happen! Player-union is the next big step for esports!
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Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
August 02 2012 09:06 GMT
#1245
On August 02 2012 15:12 Neelia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 12:55 corpuscle wrote:
Really awesome to hear Naniwa's side of things, he really puts a lot of stuff in perspective and shows a lot of class. Definitely the best episode so far, keep them up.


Could not agree more. Also super happy he didn't go down on the level of some other guests and shittalked them like they did to him

Yes, that was actually suprisingly mature by him. Especially after how indepth shittalking it had been by one certain guest.
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
August 02 2012 09:31 GMT
#1246
Fantastic interview, the format worked well with Naniwa's style and the fact that he spoke from the heart really helped.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 02 2012 09:40 GMT
#1247
On August 02 2012 18:06 Theovide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 15:12 Neelia wrote:
On August 02 2012 12:55 corpuscle wrote:
Really awesome to hear Naniwa's side of things, he really puts a lot of stuff in perspective and shows a lot of class. Definitely the best episode so far, keep them up.


Could not agree more. Also super happy he didn't go down on the level of some other guests and shittalked them like they did to him

Yes, that was actually suprisingly mature by him. Especially after how indepth shittalking it had been by one certain guest.

It's not "shittalking" if it's all true
31415926535
Profile Joined May 2012
Switzerland276 Posts
August 02 2012 09:41 GMT
#1248
Naniwa's interview was very good. After all the trash that I've heard/read about him, he seems like a pretty normal guy after all...
YourAdHere
Profile Joined May 2011
United States216 Posts
August 02 2012 10:41 GMT
#1249
Great episode per usual
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
August 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#1250
Great episode with Naniwa.

Keep it up JP.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
August 02 2012 13:07 GMT
#1251
On August 02 2012 14:50 DYEAlabaster wrote:
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On August 02 2012 11:56 Eee wrote:
On August 02 2012 08:03 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:55 crms wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:46 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:19 Hardigan wrote:
On August 02 2012 07:14 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On August 02 2012 06:51 mememolly wrote:
naniwa is a chill dude, MVP not talking to him etc is fucking lame

No Naniwa is the problem. There are plenty of foreigners that practice in Korean team houses, have you ever heard of anything like the ENTIRE TEAM ignoring the player for an entire week? One player disliking someone is one thing but ENTIRE TEAM ignoring you is another. Naniwa is the problem.

I don't think you can prove it that way. You would need to look at other foreign players who were at the MVP house to prove something.

Drewbie and trimaster stayed in the MVP house. I never heard anything from them about being ignored by the whole team. It's just Naniwa.


never heard it, must be true.

I think you're making baseless assumptions and you should stop. We only know one side of the story but we've also heard plenty of other pros going back to BW days about how difficult it can be to live in korean gaming houses.

You should stop, you're coming off as a petty kid with some sort of weird NaNiwa inner hatred.

Drewbie made a 4 20min vlogs of his time in the MVP house. He seemed pretty happy there and never mentioned being ignored or unwelcomed in the videos.

And don't compare BW training houses to Sc2 training houses. They are nothing similar in terms of training regiments.

I am not making baseless claims or have an inner hatred for naniwa. Former managers and teamates have come out and said how terrible naniwa is to deal with. Naniwa is the problem bro.

#1 Naniwa never said MVP was the problem
#2 Trimaster and Drewbie stayed there for a lot less time then naniwa (I think drewbie technically only stayed there for two weeks as he was at GOM house during the Korean hollydays)
#3 The difference between American culture and Swedish culture is probably as big as the difference between Korean and Swedish one.
#4 SaSe recently said exactly the same things as naniwa, but about the startale house as well, he said it was some cultural thing that you never mention what the other person has done wrong but you the group as a whole still gets upset at you for it. Would imply that he's the problem in this case as well?
#5 Your welcome to show us your source on how bw teamhouses differ from sc2 teamhouses.


I agree with you in all things you said, but I will dirrect you to the source you asked for:

Idra talked about it on his Real Talk about how different the Estro house is from the Slayers house (and did so in multiple interviews on the case), repeatedly stating that Slayers is much much much better and looser than Estro was.

Estro was known to be a really "poor" team, did he say anything about CJ Entus?

I find this quote from Rekrul quite interesting where he talks about foreigners in korea progaming houses, and also about Idra:

You can't imagine what it's like to be a progamer in Korea right now. Nony acted like he was fully aware and seemed ready but he obviously wasn't even close to ready. Ret had no idea what he was getting himself into. The reality of these teams is this: Koreans do not think like foreigners at all. They have a set schedule and even if you make some request to break this schedule and your request makes complete sense logically and fundamentally they just won't break or bend their team routine/rules in any way whatsoever especially not for some newbie foreigner who just joined their team. It's just the way koreans are...you either conform to their standards or you get the fuck out.
This is something almost impossible for non-koreans to grasp and is why Idra was able to get along so well after a while...his personality and lifestyle conforms exactly to what they want. He's quiet, mild mannered (except online LOL), and just sits there in his chair playing games all fucking day. He doesn't cause problems in any way. They like this. Nony was having some problems right away with the intensive training schedule and was making requests to estro saying he wants a bit more free time and less playing hours etc or some shit like that. BIG NONO. When you join a Korean team you are there for them, they are not there for you. Of course that does not fit a western mentality but in the progaming world there are far too many upcoming players, and the competition is so intense for them to actually focus their dedication on any player except for a star player. It's up to the newb players to impress them and do what they want. And saying they should try a bit more to help him out because he's non korean is just as retardedly racist as saying they are racist for not helping him.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 02 2012 13:47 GMT
#1252
On August 02 2012 18:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 18:06 Theovide wrote:
On August 02 2012 15:12 Neelia wrote:
On August 02 2012 12:55 corpuscle wrote:
Really awesome to hear Naniwa's side of things, he really puts a lot of stuff in perspective and shows a lot of class. Definitely the best episode so far, keep them up.


Could not agree more. Also super happy he didn't go down on the level of some other guests and shittalked them like they did to him

Yes, that was actually suprisingly mature by him. Especially after how indepth shittalking it had been by one certain guest.

It's not "shittalking" if it's all true



Yeah IdrA was just stating facts, there was no opinion in there. LOL smarten up bud.

IdrA only does it to build his brand of course, but still it kind of says something about his character given that it's unprovoked (or at least way out of proportion). If Naniwa had done the same thing, idra's fanboys would be out in droves slinging mud at him.
vommy
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany532 Posts
August 02 2012 17:34 GMT
#1253
Really liked the interview with Nani, thanks JP. Great to hear some inside.
Oh, I'm chasing this guy. [Dodd shoots at Leonard] No... he's chasing me.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
August 02 2012 18:02 GMT
#1254
lol
so nani left because he "got bored with sase" and now moving on to someone younger?
heh
moo...for DRG
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
August 02 2012 18:17 GMT
#1255
On August 02 2012 22:47 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 18:40 syllogism wrote:
On August 02 2012 18:06 Theovide wrote:
On August 02 2012 15:12 Neelia wrote:
On August 02 2012 12:55 corpuscle wrote:
Really awesome to hear Naniwa's side of things, he really puts a lot of stuff in perspective and shows a lot of class. Definitely the best episode so far, keep them up.


Could not agree more. Also super happy he didn't go down on the level of some other guests and shittalked them like they did to him

Yes, that was actually suprisingly mature by him. Especially after how indepth shittalking it had been by one certain guest.

It's not "shittalking" if it's all true



Yeah IdrA was just stating facts, there was no opinion in there. LOL smarten up bud.

IdrA only does it to build his brand of course, but still it kind of says something about his character given that it's unprovoked (or at least way out of proportion). If Naniwa had done the same thing, idra's fanboys would be out in droves slinging mud at him.

didn't JP directly ask Idra about it? Idra is someone who says how what he thinks. Naniwa claims to be like that too, so wouldn't he do the same if he was asked that? We will never know, as I think JP left some interesting things out. Didn't Naniwa want to come into real talk because of this?
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
August 02 2012 18:24 GMT
#1256
On August 02 2012 18:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 18:06 Theovide wrote:
On August 02 2012 15:12 Neelia wrote:
On August 02 2012 12:55 corpuscle wrote:
Really awesome to hear Naniwa's side of things, he really puts a lot of stuff in perspective and shows a lot of class. Definitely the best episode so far, keep them up.


Could not agree more. Also super happy he didn't go down on the level of some other guests and shittalked them like they did to him

Yes, that was actually suprisingly mature by him. Especially after how indepth shittalking it had been by one certain guest.

It's not "shittalking" if it's all true


depends.. i would say that if you have 50 good things to say about a person and 10 bad (all true), and you only mention the 10 bad ones youre still shittalking

(im not saying that everything idra said about naniwa was true)
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
August 02 2012 18:29 GMT
#1257
Would be cool to have a real talk with the ceo of complexity, Jason Lake. Seems like an interesting guy after watching that short documentary
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
August 02 2012 21:43 GMT
#1258
Watched all of Nani interview, fantastic... got to watch all of these now lol

first timer today!
Live and Let Die!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 02 2012 22:22 GMT
#1259
LOL i just spit out my drink when they talk about all the drama surrounding naniwa and then go on to discussing starnation, where naniwa says the guy doesn't seem to have a lot of experience and is trying to paint naniwa as the super villain... and right at that point, JP says "so do you know if there are plans to shoot you?"

i totally took that out of context, rofl.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Night Eyes
Profile Joined January 2011
433 Posts
August 02 2012 22:38 GMT
#1260
Really well done JP and tons of respect to Nani for doing this so close to the time of all the drama and addressing all the matters while they are still relevant.
Id love to see more players after the Artosis show, maybe Catz or Qxc, guys with good story's to tell on things that are beyond just the game like Root (for catz) and the GSTL all kill (Qxc).
excellent!
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