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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 23 2012 16:39 GMT
#61
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 23 2012 16:46 GMT
#62
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 16:51:00
May 23 2012 16:49 GMT
#63
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.


MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.

edit: and I think a lot of player share the mentality of Ryung, acknowledging that you are playing on a much higher skill level than the protoss opponent you are losing to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 23 2012 16:50 GMT
#64
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.

Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 23 2012 16:51 GMT
#65
On May 24 2012 01:49 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.


MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.

I don't think that's true at all, and if you weren't trying to find ways to justify your own opinions about TvP, you'd agree, especially given that MVP himself not only opted for macro strats in some of his TvPs, but even said in his interview after defeating Parting that he had planned to win if games went late.
Seiferz
Profile Joined May 2011
United States640 Posts
May 23 2012 16:52 GMT
#66
god i love ryung. im glad he got into code S. too bad polt didn't make it thought.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 23 2012 16:53 GMT
#67
On May 24 2012 01:50 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.

Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?

Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.
RUS RO DAH!!!
Profile Joined February 2012
United States277 Posts
May 23 2012 16:57 GMT
#68
Ryung answering interview questions like a boss.
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
May 23 2012 17:07 GMT
#69
On May 24 2012 01:53 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.

Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?

Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.


Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.

How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting...
He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.

In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
May 23 2012 17:08 GMT
#70
ryung telling it like it is.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
May 23 2012 17:15 GMT
#71
On May 24 2012 01:49 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.


MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.

edit: and I think a lot of player share the mentality of Ryung, acknowledging that you are playing on a much higher skill level than the protoss opponent you are losing to.


I have to ask, have you seen a lot of Ryung's TvPs? Because his history in that matchup does not hold a lot of evidence to him playing a higher skill level than most Protoss.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 23 2012 17:30 GMT
#72
On May 24 2012 02:07 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:53 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.

Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?

Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.


Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.

How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting...
He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.

In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.

So when a Toss beats a Terran in the lategame, it's due to imbalance, but when a Terran beats a Toss in the lategame, it's because the Toss is making mistakes? Come on, that's ridiculous and you know it. There was a game MVP played against Parting that MVP had in the bag until he mismicroed and lost a lot of units. Same with the game against Squirtle where MVP went BCs. MVP was going to win in these "macro games" until he messed up, kinda like how you'd expect a balanced game to function.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 23 2012 17:31 GMT
#73
On May 24 2012 02:15 Porcelina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:49 one-one-one wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.


MVP has kinda stated the very same thing implicitly given the way he played TvP in the GSL.

edit: and I think a lot of player share the mentality of Ryung, acknowledging that you are playing on a much higher skill level than the protoss opponent you are losing to.


I have to ask, have you seen a lot of Ryung's TvPs? Because his history in that matchup does not hold a lot of evidence to him playing a higher skill level than most Protoss.

I wouldn't say "higher skill level", more like.. "more mechanically demanding".
AdelXoXo
Profile Joined May 2012
France1 Post
May 23 2012 17:33 GMT
#74
Terran tears so delicious
Dark ass shades, i cant see them haters
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 23 2012 17:35 GMT
#75
On May 24 2012 02:30 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 02:07 one-one-one wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:53 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.

Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?

Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.


Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.

How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting...
He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.

In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.

So when a Toss beats a Terran in the lategame, it's due to imbalance, but when a Terran beats a Toss in the lategame, it's because the Toss is making mistakes? Come on, that's ridiculous and you know it. There was a game MVP played against Parting that MVP had in the bag until he mismicroed and lost a lot of units. Same with the game against Squirtle where MVP went BCs. MVP was going to win in these "macro games" until he messed up, kinda like how you'd expect a balanced game to function.

It's more about the amount of mistakes the races comparatively can afford to make. If PartinG made Mvp's mistake and lost half his zealots the game wouldn't have ended. No way for Mvp to punish that as effectively as PartinG did.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 23 2012 17:40 GMT
#76
That's true it was a real 1a, he never focused the vikings, even when doing so wouldn't have disrupted his stalkers at all. On this other hand I4m not sure Ryung ff'ed the colossi, iirc he was himself on amove with his vikings. Had he killed 2 more colossi, he perhaps would have defended one zealot warpin more.
blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 17:50:07
May 23 2012 17:48 GMT
#77
Ryung ain't bad. He sometimes ladders top 15 GM games on Cella's stream and has no trouble beating Protoss. He's not doing that in real matches tho for whatever reason.
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 17:52:31
May 23 2012 17:52 GMT
#78
Ryung telling it how it is, Protoss have too many A + move units that are extremely powerful and do everything for you, almost no micro involved in the race, even in the highest level of GSL. Easy mode =]

User was temp banned for this post.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 23 2012 17:55 GMT
#79
On May 24 2012 02:35 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 02:30 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 02:07 one-one-one wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:53 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:50 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.

Nestea? Bomber? a lot of other foreigner Ts? There are probably more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

I think we've seen foreigners lament basically everything as of late. Because Naniwa finds PvZ difficult (and I have huge sympathy for that point of view) does that mean that Zerg is OP? He also said that super late game PvT favours Terran, so what now?

Bomber has really been in a slump in general since the old days, as has Nestea.


Given that you just refuted two posts in a row with generic "toss is not OP" arguments I'd say you are the one who is trying to justify your own opinion and ignore the elephant.

How many TvP games that were drawn out long games did MVP win ? 0 vs parting...
He won a few vs squirtle, but squirtle was doing all kinds of mistakes cos of nervousness which gave MVP a considerable advantage going into the lategame. When squirtle pulled his act together MVP had to resort to a 11/11 2-rax to do the job.

In every single game in the Ro4 and finals MVP either did a 1 rax expand into fast medivacs with the very clear goal to inflict a lot of damage to the protoss or some semi all-inish cheese.

So when a Toss beats a Terran in the lategame, it's due to imbalance, but when a Terran beats a Toss in the lategame, it's because the Toss is making mistakes? Come on, that's ridiculous and you know it. There was a game MVP played against Parting that MVP had in the bag until he mismicroed and lost a lot of units. Same with the game against Squirtle where MVP went BCs. MVP was going to win in these "macro games" until he messed up, kinda like how you'd expect a balanced game to function.

It's more about the amount of mistakes the races comparatively can afford to make. If PartinG made Mvp's mistake and lost half his zealots the game wouldn't have ended. No way for Mvp to punish that as effectively as PartinG did.

Forcefielding half a second too late is enough to lose the game in many instances. Losing half of one's Zealots for free is definitely something that sets one back a bit, especially if Zealots are the core of one's army.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
May 23 2012 18:11 GMT
#80
On May 24 2012 01:46 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 01:39 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:34 Fenrisulf wrote:
On May 24 2012 01:07 Whatson wrote:
Hahahahahaha every single SlayerS (or ex-SlayerS) player that I've read an interview from calls Protoss OP


And they all suck at TvP...funny coincidence

ryung has been getting analed against Protoss since the days when Protoss had a 30% winrate in GSL, imo someone needs to stop crying and start practicing

LOL as if it was only a SlayerS thing to call P's lategame style OP...

It kinda is. Haven't heard any complaints from MVP, or even MKP, to be honest.


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