EPTInterview with Flash about SC2 - Page 41
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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tjtombo
United States295 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
In terms of balance, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and statistics only reflect a part of the story as it is basically impossible to determine "skill" levels, ie A beat B in a PvT, is it because A is just a better player or because P is imba or because A got lucky and chose the right build or even because B made a bad misclick? | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
It's definitely a flawed opinion because he wants to defend his race and get buffs for his race. It kind of makes me annoyed for him to say that, especially because SC2 T is winning at the highest level, and especially because BW T was so OP but no one complained about it to his face and say "Flash, you're amazing but the only reason you are called God is because you play the OP race" | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:23 avilo wrote: You mean objectively analyzing and stating his opinion as the best SC player on earth. LMAO. As soon as I saw your name behind this post, I lost it. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On May 12 2012 12:18 GhostOwl wrote: The nerve of Flash to say Protoss is OP when he played Terran in BW....no respect It's definitely a flawed opinion because he wants to defend his race and get buffs for his race. It kind of makes me annoyed for him to say that, especially because SC2 T is winning at the highest level, and especially because BW T was so OP but no one complained about it to his face and say "Flash, you're amazing but the only reason you are called God is because you play the OP race" Dude thats his opinion. Of course it seems OP to him since he started playing a few weeks ago and dosen't know how to deal with all ins. What do you want him to do, lie? | ||
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ShynZ
331 Posts
On May 12 2012 12:49 poorcloud wrote: Dude thats his opinion. Of course it seems OP to him since he started playing a few weeks ago and dosen't know how to deal with all ins. What do you want him to do, lie? ahhahaha | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
That being said, I bet as soon as he learns Terran has to outright win early-mid game or have a really good advantage, he's gonna become god-tier cheese/allin perfection status. Which I do have to say is such a shame. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On May 12 2012 09:32 Zealot Lord wrote: "Before the first season of Pro League started last year I got to Master league in 4 to 5 days. It was strangely easy back then." See, that's the thing I honestly feel about - it was easy for terrans to dominate before, particularly against protoss (almost entire year of 2011 had absurd TvP winrates, which is a fact) that they relatively never really had to work for the wins; as a result TvP development lagged behind simply because there was no need to try new things. And now that metagame balance has shifted, seeing terrans struggle in this matchup was to be expected imo. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying TvP lategame isn't broken or whatnot, perhaps there is indeed an imbalance, but a couple of months is too short of a time to tell. I understand its easy to feel that a race you are accustomed to dominating feels op when you suddenly have to try that much harder to win - but at the same time, now that terrans need to put an honest effort to beat protoss, one cannot rule out of breakthrough innovations (that's how BW metagame balance shifted even when there were no patches). Which is imo exactly why Blizzard has stated they recognized that there could potentially be issues to address but haven't made any changes yet, as they probably want to monitor it for a while longer. i'm a protoss player...this isn't exactly true. there are too many 'useless' units vs P as as terran. yes sometimes tanks, banshees, and thors are used, but you never see these in standard play, only in very specific timing attacks that capitalize on damage done previously. actually i really think there are too many 'useless units' in general. ravens (these are basically never used except in 111 type pushes specifically for the use of PDD). ravens are basically never used in tvz, and in rare circumstances in late game TVT. carriers...again these are basically never used. hydralisks not exactly useless, but they add very little diversity to the zerg army other than 'we do a lot of dps' and i guess holding specific pure air allins. there are also a lot of very useless upgrades (medivac energy, raven upgrades). if blizzzard just worked to make everything in the game USEFUL in at least one or two of the matchups, outside of pure gimmicks, they'd have a much better game | ||
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readytorock
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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captainobvious
Canada21 Posts
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:24 captainobvious wrote: Flash is an idiot. He doesn't understand the game then blames it on "Protoss OP", when Protoss hasn't won any major tournaments in months. Plus, what race has won the last two MLGs? Terran. Terran is not the weakest, he doesn't even know this game is played yet and yet he judges it like he is the best at it. He may have been the best at BW but he is not the best at this. i guess you're not alllowed to express your opinion, even after saying you're a noob at the game! | ||
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captainobvious
Canada21 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:26 dreamsmasher wrote: i guess you're not alllowed to express your opinion, even after saying you're a noob at the game! It's not that - it's that he says he is a noob THEN starts telling what needs to be balanced and what is unbalanced. | ||
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:24 captainobvious wrote: Flash is an idiot. ...I'm a strong sc2 fan ands I never really played BW but you seem pretty fucking retarded to be calling Flash an idiot. He has been dominating the hardest pro video game in the world for several years and you have 18 posts on Tl.net. | ||
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klops
United States674 Posts
On May 12 2012 12:18 GhostOwl wrote: The nerve of Flash to say Protoss is OP when he played Terran in BW....no respect It's definitely a flawed opinion because he wants to defend his race and get buffs for his race. It kind of makes me annoyed for him to say that, especially because SC2 T is winning at the highest level, and especially because BW T was so OP but no one complained about it to his face and say "Flash, you're amazing but the only reason you are called God is because you play the OP race" maybe because T wasn't overpowered in BW? majority of people who actually played BW would tell you the same. PvT was an uphill battle for T in BW. the thing about P in BW was they consistently killed each other off in leagues by placing themselves in the same groups, leaving a small pool left to fend off the T's and Z's. edit- a slight tangent but BW is also much more map dependent than SC2's current state in regards to matchups and map rotations dictated some of the later seasons. edit2- also you apparently haven't watched the vods of flash's offraces. his zerg was pretty impressive. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:29 captainobvious wrote: It's not that - it's that he says he is a noob THEN starts telling what needs to be balanced and what is unbalanced. Yup, i'm sure he, like TL balance whiners, has posted furiously on korean starcraft 2 forums complaining about the current state of the game. Probably has sent millions of emails to BNET to whine about it as well. Add in rage quitting his games and throwing a pancy fit when he loses to a 6 gate. Its his life and his job, if he feels some aspects are unfair, why isn't he allowed to say it when someone asks him about it? Its not like he is actively lobbying for a change like a significant portion of TL forummers. By your logic, a large group of us on TL are idiots. Maybe even retarded since we are not in master league and we feel that some aspects of the game is imbalanced. Why hang out in this forum then? less than 20 posts, i sense a troll. | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
If you add asymmetric design caused of the original project, and other asymmetric design caused of an uncomplete game, SC2 is more hard yet to understand, and much difficult to balance. I think very few people really understood the game, and this is the major cause of whines. I think Flash is a God in SC: BW, but he didn't understand SC2 yet, and it's too soon to make judgments, while opinions are okey. It's normal, any noob in the first weeks thinks FF are OP and 4 Gate is OP, but there are a lot of things OP in this game, for example all the Terran Units, starting with the Mule. Maybe in HotS the game will improve its mechanics, but I don't know if Blizzard have the capacity. | ||
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