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United States33369 Posts
So, I looked at KeSPA's version of the MLG/KeSPA announcement, and saw that the content was a bit different from MLG's. Mainly, the focus of MLG's announcement was a very unspecific "exclusivity" and the fact that it was a multi-year deal. KeSPA's version made no comment about those, and merely stated that they were agreeing to work together, and that KeSPA players would indeed play at MLG Anaheim.
Perhaps it's just language barrier trouble, and maybe it's just that MLG felt more comfortable being specific while KeSPA wanted to remain cautious. In any case, it seemed like it was worth a thought or two.
Translation of the KeSPA announce: http://pgr21.com/zboard4/zboard.php?id=free2&page=1&sn1=&divpage=8&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=47036
The Korean E-Sports Association, Major League Gaming, and the International Esports Group announced on May 11th a MOU [ ]Memorandum of Understanding partnership between the three parties. Founded in 2002, the New York based MLG runs some of the most competitive eSports tournaments in the world, and provides live streaming services to over approximately 170 countries around the world. This MOU with MLG will be the first step for Korean pro-gamers to compete more actively on the international stage, and some of the best Korean pro-gamers will participate at MLG Spring Championship in Anaheim between June 8th and June 10th and play in Starcraft II matches. KeSPA's Oh Gyung Shik said “Through this MOU with MLG which will help globalize eSports, we will actively work together in the future and do our best to make Korean esports the next wave of influential Korean culture in the world.” MLG's Sundance said “I am thrilled to cooperate with the most authoritative eSports league in the world, and I believe our partnership will help the continued growth and progress of eSports culture.” The three companies will work towards making a detailed plan for globalized eSports leagues, and provide services so that more regions will be able to enjoy esports though a variety of mediums.
MLG Announce
New York – May 11, 2012 – Major League Gaming (MLG), the world’s largest competitive video game league, and the Korean eSports Association (KeSPA), announced today an exclusive multi-year global partnership that will bridge the Western and Korean StarCraft worlds. As part of the collaboration, KeSPA players will compete in MLG events—marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States. The partnership will kick off at the MLG Spring Championship in Anaheim, CA on Saturday, June 9 at 9pm PT, when KeSPA Pro players will compete in a StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty exhibition tournament. Participants will be selected from the top KeSPA teams; the players will be announced in the coming weeks. Spectator Passes for the event are now available online. For those not attending in person, the expo match and the entire Spring Championship will be broadcast LIVE online via HD streams at www.majorleaguegaming.com. “We are thrilled to be partnering with the most prestigious eSports league in the world, and feel our partnership will forever change competitive gaming,” said Sundance DiGiovanni, CEO of Major League Gaming. “KeSPA has long been a true leader in this industry and has been instrumental in its success, and this is just the beginning of our work together. We look forward to continued growth and expansion in the years to come.” “We are pleased to join with MLG to bring the best players in the world to the international stage,” said Lee Young Hee, President of KeSPA. “Together, KeSPA and MLG are building the global future of our sport.” The Spring Championship on June 8-10 is expected to be the largest Pro Circuit competition in the ten-year history of MLG. Thousands of fans will descend upon the Anaheim Convention Center, and millions more will watch online as the world’s best players compete. Spectator Passes are now available.
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Ha ha ha
Hope they're on the same page.
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Dun dun dun! Detective Waxangel is on the case!
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I hope the result is something good for the players and the viewers, not just MLG incomes and KeSPA sense of Korean leadership in esport.
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Would love a statement from MLG on this.
Considering Sundance's tweet, it does seem as though MLG considers this an exclusive deal, but that really isn't what the KeSPA statement leads you to believe.
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I think its probably that MLG is much more comfortable announcing things in detail than KeSPA is.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
MLG is just trying to sell spectator passes by skewing the truth about the Kesp-MLG deals. Kespa is just being cautious since they know that the BW players are really not ready yet for SC2. Detective Waxangel to the case!
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On May 11 2012 22:16 Hiea wrote:
I think its probably that MLG is much more comfortable announcing things in detail than KeSPA is.
or KeSPA intentionally leaves a lot of details out adding more speculation and they feel like they can do whatever they want.
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brb -gonna call the sponsors
-.-
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Not that much of discrepancy to be honest. MLG just went into a little bit more detail. One reason for that is to hype MLG Anaheim I guess.
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It would be so Kespa to completely disregard the exclusivity portion of their dealings and send players wherever they wanted
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On May 11 2012 22:17 amazingxkcd wrote:
MLG is just trying to sell spectator passes by skewing the truth about the Kesp-MLG deals. Kespa is just being cautious since they know that the BW players are really not ready yet for SC2. Detective Waxangel to the case!
Nonsense. MLG will sell ludicrous quantities of spectator passes as always, their image and respect in the scene is far far more important than milking the community for money based on hype.
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Although its probably just extra detail from MLG, I don't think anyone would be too surprised if they had gotten carried away making things sound awesome and exclusive.
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On May 11 2012 22:22 confusedcrib wrote:
Although its probably just extra detail from MLG, I don't think anyone would be too surprised if they had gotten carried away making things sound awesome and exclusive.
Or if KeSPA just didn't put everything in the agreement in their release.
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Well, to be fair the MLG press release also makes a false statement by saying it'll be the first time KeSPA players will play in US, even though they played in WCG and Blizzcon.
The fact that Sundance refuse to comment on his twitter, even directly dodging the question in a tweet, could be a sign that the exclusivity is not confirmed yet.
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On May 11 2012 22:22 confusedcrib wrote:
Although its probably just extra detail from MLG, I don't think anyone would be too surprised if they had gotten carried away making things sound awesome and exclusive.
Well MLG does like to hype things up, so this would make sense.
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On May 11 2012 22:23 pdd wrote:
Well, to be fair the MLG press release also makes a false statement by saying it'll be the first time KeSPA players will play in US, even though they played in WCG and Blizzcon.
The fact that Sundance refuse to comment on his twitter, even directly dodging the question in a tweet, could be a sign that the exclusivity is not confirmed yet.
Amongst many others.
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Also, is "memorandum of understand" a literal translation, because wikipedia confirms my suspicion that this tends to be used about things that aren't legally binding (though sometimes refers to contracts), and I know "gentleman's agreements" with Korean organizations have never caused any trouble before....
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An exclusive deal were MLG and KeSPA control the "players flow" would be frightening, so I hope that's not as set in stones at it sounds from MLG's side :/
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On May 11 2012 22:17 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 22:16 Hiea wrote:
I think its probably that MLG is much more comfortable announcing things in detail than KeSPA is. or KeSPA intentionally leaves a lot of details out adding more speculation and they feel like they can do whatever they want.
This. KeSPA notorious for such press releases.
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Well obviously all announcements have to be taken with a grain of salt, but I think it's fair to assume that MLG is not straight up lying about these claims. Even if the documents haven't actually been signed, there must have been at least some progress towards a multi-year deal on which the announcement is based.
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The word "exclusive" does not appear anywhere in the MLG statement at all. Aren't you just interpreting whatever you want into this?
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seems like a difference between western and eastern journalism/pr writing styles more than anything to me.
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On May 11 2012 22:36 Jinsho wrote:
The word "exclusive" does not appear anywhere in the MLG statement at all. Aren't you just interpreting whatever you want into this?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TGOf8.jpg)
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On May 11 2012 22:38 JOJOsc2news wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 22:36 Jinsho wrote:
The word "exclusive" does not appear anywhere in the MLG statement at all. Aren't you just interpreting whatever you want into this?
That and the first paragraph of their presser:
New York – May 11, 2012 –Major League Gaming (MLG), the world’s largest competitive video game league, and the Korean eSports Association (KeSPA), announced today an exclusive multi-year global partnership that will bridge the Western and Korean StarCraft worlds. As part of the collaboration, KeSPA players will compete in MLG events—marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States.
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well, an exclusive agreement doesn't have to be exclusive on both ends.
there's exclusive game titles for xbox, ps3 etc, but that doesn't mean there aren't other games as well :D
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
hahaha this is so confusing.
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On May 11 2012 22:36 Jinsho wrote:
The word "exclusive" does not appear anywhere in the MLG statement at all. Aren't you just interpreting whatever you want into this?
huh?
"announced today an exclusive multi-year global partnership"
"exclusive" is in the headline of the deal on the MLG Site.
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MLG invented the internet, pioneered electricity, and got exclusive number of chairs, so that won't be the first time they get it.
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On May 11 2012 22:36 Jinsho wrote:
The word "exclusive" does not appear anywhere in the MLG statement at all. Aren't you just interpreting whatever you want into this?
Lol what? It exclusive written in the article and in the article title!
And as posted, Sundance has stated it is exclusive.
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Wouldn't surprise me if MLG overinflated the announcement just a little bit... they like hyping stuff.
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Hmph, Tekken is a KeSPA game. Would that mean Korean Tekken players would also be flown for MLG events?
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If this exclusivety means that Kespa can only send their players to MLGs, MLG is the biggest dick in the world of esports.
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On May 11 2012 22:58 GTR wrote:
Hmph, Tekken is a KeSPA game. Would that mean Korean Tekken players would also be flown for MLG events?
ha ha ha ha ha! :D
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Well if MLG thinks will exclusively have the KeSPA players id say that would be a real problem.
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On May 11 2012 22:58 GTR wrote:
Hmph, Tekken is a KeSPA game. Would that mean Korean Tekken players would also be flown for MLG events?
MLG stopped doing Tekken last year after running it for a year the year before, their current fighting game roster of SCV/MK9/KOF13 aren't handled by KeSPA in Korea and only KOF13 has any significant popularity.
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If this is really an exclusive deal, I'm really sad as a SC2 competition spectator.
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On May 11 2012 22:58 GTR wrote:
Hmph, Tekken is a KeSPA game. Would that mean Korean Tekken players would also be flown for MLG events?
So is League of Legends, though this might explain why the Asian qualifies for IPL5 does not contain Korean teams.
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On May 11 2012 22:17 amazingxkcd wrote:
MLG is just trying to sell spectator passes by skewing the truth about the Kesp-MLG deals. Kespa is just being cautious since they know that the BW players are really not ready yet for SC2. Detective Waxangel to the case!
More like Kespa is keeping as much hidden as possible and then use their players as leverage to sign other deals with other major tournaments. Potentially preventing they're best players from participating in non-Kespa partnered events. Not to mention that if Kespa feels that they weren't getting enough out of the deal, they could just not renew the contract, which could subconsciously force MLG to live stream more matches of Kespa players in order to keep Kespa happy. Eventually the entire world would fall under the influence of Kespa.
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sounds like standard kespa to me... this just stirs up the anti-mlg sentiment that runs through this community for no reason. you should know better wax 
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KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
And there you have it folks, GG
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
Sundance crushes nerds once again...
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
Time to close thread before this gets out of hand
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
agree, they have just highlighted different aspects of the deal.
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
gg all the people looking for drama xD
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Sundance's post still doesn't answer the question of exclusivity... Are the Kespa players able to go to other western tournaments or not?
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I don't know, it just seems like KeSPA said less stuff than MLG and thus didn't mention the details that MLG provided. It didn't seem like a misunderstanding to me.
Then again, I don't know what exactly is supposed to be included in a Memorandum of Understanding, and in this MoU in particular.
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damn. I love the speculation.
sunday is melting now 
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Now I wonder why KESPA doesn't want the Korean community to know about the exclusivity aspect of the deal...
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
That doesn't change the fact they could still undermine you in future dealings considering how bland their statement was.
Regardless of your approval.
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My guess is kespa being its usual shady self. Hope they don't scam mlg
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United States33369 Posts
On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
thanks for clarification
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On May 12 2012 00:19 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
thanks for clarification
No, this doesn't really clarify anything...
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I think it's just cultural differences and not really a strategic move.
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Also the
"marking the first time in eSports history that KeSPA players will participate in video game tournaments in the United States."
quote is horseshit.
Blizzcon '05? Blizzcon '07? WCG '04? WCG '07? WCG '10?
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you know what would be funny? if the BW pros turned out to be completely mediocre save for a couple guys, kespa loses all its leverage, and MLG is left trying to catch up to the rest of the world as GSL/IPL continue to flourish
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The BW pros will be completely mediocre for the next few months. Regardless of talent, they'll need time and practice to gain the experience necessary to compete.
Pretty sure this is why the BW pros get their own exhibition matches as oppose to the regular pool or open bracket.
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Kespa wants to protect its SC2 player base from the existing SC2 player pool, and MLG helps them by setting up exhibition tournaments for them.
Once Kespa players are at SC2 pro level, it makes no sense to keep them out of other foreign tournements.
I mean, they like money, don't they?
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One thing I still don't understand... Will there be BW pros playing in the open bracket with SC2 pros? Or is there an unique exhibition tournament for all the BW pros?
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
Conspiracies will be made until we know for sure what is going on, atm, we dont know. We know bw players are comming, we know they are going to play their own little tournament. But what does it mean for the future? we dont know.
Will MLG have some sort of seeding of kespa player? Will mlg winners have some seeding in kespa run tournaments? if they do will korean player not member of kespa allowed to take those seed by kespa if they win? What about showmatch, if i have i ton of money and i want a showmatch between.. Parting and Bisu, can Bisu even come? What about charity even not run by mlg can they play for those? What about streaming will kespa allow their player to stream?
Kespa has really really really shity reputation. You cant expect people to see only angels and flowers when you make a deal with the devil and make it exclusive ton top of it.
We dont know how Kespa will manage their team and player for sc2, but if its anything like sc1.. its not good news for the players on kespa that are not top 10, its not good for the current korean teams either.
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On May 11 2012 23:53 MCDayC wrote:
Sundance's post still doesn't answer the question of exclusivity... Are the Kespa players able to go to other western tournaments or not?
look at the pic on page 2 of this thread
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Pretty counterproductive thread ^in my opinion. It's misleading to call it a discrepancy as theres no contradictions between the two announcements. One is just more specific than the other, and we can't conclude anything from that fact alone. The sole conceivable purpose of this thread is for speculation - speculation which has already been happening in the other thread.
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Everyone, including the MLG guys, thought that Gom was following the set of rules where Naniwa was given a code S seed for that one MLG performance. Gom felt differently, and they got their way (eventually caving to foreigner fan pressure and giving him the next available seed).
I hope MLG got everything in airtight contracts this time, to spare everyone the confusion and embarrassment.
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On May 12 2012 03:31 Dreadwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
Kespa has really really really shity reputation. You cant expect people to see only angels and flowers when you make a deal with the devil and make it exclusive ton top of it.
You clearly don't know MLGs reputation when it comes to competition of their business.
They are worse than KeSPA.
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lol, hope that there wasn't a huge miscommunication
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
Now back to finding drama where it isnt there.
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On May 12 2012 03:00 Clafou wrote:One thing I still don't understand... Will there be BW pros playing in the open bracket with SC2 pros? Or is there an unique exhibition tournament for all the BW pros?
The latter. The BW players won't be good enough to win big tournaments for a few months.
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Thank you sir
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On May 12 2012 04:52 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
Now back to finding drama where it isnt there.
prove that KeSPA approved their release ? believing their PR without checking isn't the best thing to do (and if you prove it I'd be happy)
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On May 12 2012 04:48 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 03:31 Dreadwolf wrote:On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
Kespa has really really really shity reputation. You cant expect people to see only angels and flowers when you make a deal with the devil and make it exclusive ton top of it. You clearly don't know MLGs reputation when it comes to competition of their business. They are worse than KeSPA.
You really despise MLG dont you? Sundance piss in your cheerios?
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On May 12 2012 02:59 dsousa wrote:
Once Kespa players are at SC2 pro level, it makes no sense to keep them out of other foreign tournements.
I mean, they like money, don't they?
So does MLG.
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On May 11 2012 23:42 SundanceMLG wrote:
KeSPA approved our release and we approved theirs.
no need to start more conspiracies.
What does 'exclusive, multi-year' actually mean? For example, will you able to prevent KESPA players from playing in other tournaments if they want to?
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