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On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol
He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team.
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On May 10 2012 23:38 helvete wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:04 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 20:31 takingbackoj wrote:On May 10 2012 20:14 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 20:07 takingbackoj wrote:On May 10 2012 20:04 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 19:56 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 10 2012 18:15 Velr wrote:
I don't see any upset people?
I just see a rich team buying another player from a poorer, which in about any sport I know happens and is not exactly "liked" by just about anyone except the fanbase of the rich team?
In the case of EG it's just hilarious that they still lack the result although their whole roster consists of... the most expensive players there are/were at the time of the purchase?... They probably should just ask the teamleagues to sell them the trophy directly :D...
The real important questions are:
Has Thorzain yet recieved his life long stock of Muscle Shirts (which look terrible and as a sponsor i would prohibit my players wearing them in front of a camre) and his oversized cup to drink ugly looking protein(?) shakes AND most important his beard. EG lacks results? They have better results than any other foreign team. They've won MLGs, IEMs, NASL and have had top 3's at many of those tournaments as well. Team Leagues are secondary. GSTL is the only one that really matters. The rest are online. I'm sorry, but online competition is just, its not fair. Outside of Thorzain, what tournaments were the rest of Mouz winning? They are not really foreign team or rather that distinction is meaningless now with Koreans being on nearly every roster. So you comparing them with foreign teams only is not really fair. You should compare them with all (but mostly Korean) teams. As for which "foreign" team can be compared to them. I would say 3 code S players are better than 0 and 2 code S Ro8 contenders are also rather better than what EG has achieved. I hope you know which team I am alluding to. Ya not Mouz. And ? On page 871 you say "If I had best interest if ThorZain in mind, I would say EG offer was bad for him. He should have quit SC2 as quickly as possible and go back to school. But my opinion is based purely on this move ruining my favourite team. And of course on my eternal hatred for everything related to EG." Your favorite team is implied to be mouz. I bet you didn't flame them when Thorzain was with them. Also on page 958 you say "If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports." This is probably the most pretentious and ignorant thing I have ever heard any human being say. Ignoring the fact that you think you know whats best for people you don't know personally, and ignoring the fact that the statement "And I couldn't care less about esports." directly goes against your previous statement of having a favorite SC2 pro team and being emotionally invested enough to have an eternal hatred of another, if you really had Thorzains best interest in mind you would want him to be happy with what he does in life and have enough respect for him as a person to not imply you know whats best for him. You are not bright. Lets start with, what does that have to do with the discussion I had with jmbthirteen about whether EG is the best foreign team ? Your response have no relation to that. That is why I responded with "And ?". If you have problem with what I said in post on page XXX, quote the relevant post. Do not quote completely unrelated one with completely unrelated response. Now for your arguments. There is nothing contradictory about me not caring about esports and having emotional investment in teams. I can easily not care if esports dies or not and yet be emotionally invested in teams or players. They are not the same thing. Not even mentioning that teams (not pro, but still teams) can exist without professional esports.If you quoted the posts you would also notice the context which would be helpful so you do not make completely irrelevant remarks like last part of your post. I'm gonna butt in here to quickly state that this is so very very true! The SC2 community especially seem to suffer from the idea that only professional Esports matter, as if the value of the games played equals the amount of money invested, or the number of viewers. Personally, I don't give a rats ass about how many others are watching a game, or how much the winners take home. By that logic we should all be watching soccer instead. In fact, I prefer to watch a stream without a lot of people in it. I prefer a low level tournament (if it includes good players ofc) that focuses on the games and not some "brand". To me monetizing Esports too much is to remove the soul of the games and replace it with empty commercialism, it is to remove the true fan and replace him/her (well.. him) with sheep who'll flock to whatever is the flavor of the month. The love of the game is all that matters and while a little money will help spread that love, a lot of money will kill it. For me. edit: to bring this horribly off topic post more on topic, I'll just say that this is why I don't like Thorzain going to EG. Or rather, this is why I don't like EG. They seem to be one of the great engines of monetization in Esports.
Without money there would be no esports this is peoples jobs if you can't understand that then well i don't know why your here.Players make the game but without the money no one would do this unless it's as a hobby and you wouldn't see as nearly good players, not everyone can go to university and play this game at such a high level even some players like polt decided to take a break from school to pursue his career as a pro Stacraft 2 player.
Every single team needs money to run, every single event needs a sponsor to run, unless the company running the event is it's own sponsor like redbull(running their own tournament) there would be no casters either it would just be a hobby for them. People trying to ruing e-sports is not good and when you hate on a team because their signing a player ont h eir and it's a move for them because of money then that's how it is, this how it is in real sports and theirs nothing wrong with doing that.
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On May 11 2012 00:36 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team.
He is such a awesome guy. I mean seriously, he has great humour. EG is lucky to have him.
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On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol
How is this relevant to the thread at all?
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People should be glad there are teams like eg that can offer what players need to keep playing.Good luck thorzain!
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On May 11 2012 00:39 arfyron wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol How is this relevant to the thread at all?
The dude has tons of roles that don't require results.
Also, I agree that that has no relevance.
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Good for ThorZain, bad for Mousesports. I wonder how they fill the gap.
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On May 11 2012 00:36 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team.
Seriously that video was hilarious, and in general he is one of the more entertaining casters/personalities out there. Plus as long as he keeps attempting to be a pro-gamer, his casting analysis will at least still be of a top caliber.
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On May 10 2012 23:38 helvete wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:04 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 20:31 takingbackoj wrote:On May 10 2012 20:14 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 20:07 takingbackoj wrote:On May 10 2012 20:04 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 19:56 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 10 2012 18:15 Velr wrote:
I don't see any upset people?
I just see a rich team buying another player from a poorer, which in about any sport I know happens and is not exactly "liked" by just about anyone except the fanbase of the rich team?
In the case of EG it's just hilarious that they still lack the result although their whole roster consists of... the most expensive players there are/were at the time of the purchase?... They probably should just ask the teamleagues to sell them the trophy directly :D...
The real important questions are:
Has Thorzain yet recieved his life long stock of Muscle Shirts (which look terrible and as a sponsor i would prohibit my players wearing them in front of a camre) and his oversized cup to drink ugly looking protein(?) shakes AND most important his beard. EG lacks results? They have better results than any other foreign team. They've won MLGs, IEMs, NASL and have had top 3's at many of those tournaments as well. Team Leagues are secondary. GSTL is the only one that really matters. The rest are online. I'm sorry, but online competition is just, its not fair. Outside of Thorzain, what tournaments were the rest of Mouz winning? They are not really foreign team or rather that distinction is meaningless now with Koreans being on nearly every roster. So you comparing them with foreign teams only is not really fair. You should compare them with all (but mostly Korean) teams. As for which "foreign" team can be compared to them. I would say 3 code S players are better than 0 and 2 code S Ro8 contenders are also rather better than what EG has achieved. I hope you know which team I am alluding to. Ya not Mouz. And ? On page 871 you say "If I had best interest if ThorZain in mind, I would say EG offer was bad for him. He should have quit SC2 as quickly as possible and go back to school. But my opinion is based purely on this move ruining my favourite team. And of course on my eternal hatred for everything related to EG." Your favorite team is implied to be mouz. I bet you didn't flame them when Thorzain was with them. Also on page 958 you say "If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports." This is probably the most pretentious and ignorant thing I have ever heard any human being say. Ignoring the fact that you think you know whats best for people you don't know personally, and ignoring the fact that the statement "And I couldn't care less about esports." directly goes against your previous statement of having a favorite SC2 pro team and being emotionally invested enough to have an eternal hatred of another, if you really had Thorzains best interest in mind you would want him to be happy with what he does in life and have enough respect for him as a person to not imply you know whats best for him. You are not bright. Lets start with, what does that have to do with the discussion I had with jmbthirteen about whether EG is the best foreign team ? Your response have no relation to that. That is why I responded with "And ?". If you have problem with what I said in post on page XXX, quote the relevant post. Do not quote completely unrelated one with completely unrelated response. Now for your arguments. There is nothing contradictory about me not caring about esports and having emotional investment in teams. I can easily not care if esports dies or not and yet be emotionally invested in teams or players. They are not the same thing. Not even mentioning that teams (not pro, but still teams) can exist without professional esports.If you quoted the posts you would also notice the context which would be helpful so you do not make completely irrelevant remarks like last part of your post. I'm gonna butt in here to quickly state that this is so very very true! The SC2 community especially seem to suffer from the idea that only professional Esports matter, as if the value of the games played equals the amount of money invested, or the number of viewers. Personally, I don't give a rats ass about how many others are watching a game, or how much the winners take home. By that logic we should all be watching soccer instead. In fact, I prefer to watch a stream without a lot of people in it. I prefer a low level tournament (if it includes good players ofc) that focuses on the games and not some "brand". To me monetizing Esports too much is to remove the soul of the games and replace it with empty commercialism, it is to remove the true fan and replace him/her (well.. him) with sheep who'll flock to whatever is the flavor of the month. The love of the game is all that matters and while a little money will help spread that love, a lot of money will kill it. For me. edit: to bring this horribly off topic post more on topic, I'll just say that this is why I don't like Thorzain going to EG. Or rather, this is why I don't like EG. They seem to be one of the great engines of monetization in Esports.
There is a good point to be made about the monetization of e-sports, and whether it can lead to the dumbing down of a game to create things that are more palatable to a broader audience. But assuming that the teams, casters, and companies that run/support these tournaments all have a passion for supporting a high quality game...in my opinion it is a bit contradictory to support teams but not e-sports in general.
Because teams depend on large audiences for funding. If GomTV didn't have any viewers, if no one payed for subscriptions, how could they offer the prizes they do? On what basis would the teams pay their players? Money has to come from somewhere. And if e-sports suffers then logically the teams and players will suffer, because the financial incentive to continue playing will disappear, or become small enough that playing e-sports as a legitimate profession will simply become untenable. It may continue on as a hobby that people play on their spare time while focusing primarily on a job...but it won't be the same. The quality of the games will generally suffer if its reduced to a hobby to be played in one's spare time. Its just like how soccer or football teams/players would suffer if they were forced to only practise in their spare time...you could still have fun, but not at the same level.
Of course there are players like Stephano who can play very little, or Polt who can play while studying in university (in addition to, I'm sure, many others). But I think they are generally fairly rare...most pro-gamers get good at something by putting in lots and lots of hours. That's why even Stephano (for example) is postponing studies to focus primarily on the game.
Commercialism isn't always a bad thing...it really depends on the company, and what kind of vision it has as well as its integrity. Anyways its probably good to discuss this stuff. Its funny how much people read into these things...I just take it as Thorzain simply looking forward to enjoying new opportunities he didn't have before in terms of training and exposure to other players. And probably a good sum of money to help him in his studies in the future...doesn't have to be anything negative here.
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On May 11 2012 00:46 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:36 Klonere wrote:On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team. Seriously that video was hilarious, and in general he is one of the more entertaining casters/personalities out there. Plus as long as he keeps attempting to be a pro-gamer, his casting analysis will at least still be of a top caliber.
InControl has one of the best return of investment of all progamers. He gives so much publicity to his sponsors.
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I'm so sick with this "i don't want to skip my education" bulshit. First stephano now thorzain too. I didn't know colleges disappear from the face of the world in a few years and now its the only time to do it.
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On May 11 2012 00:55 convention wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:46 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:On May 11 2012 00:36 Klonere wrote:On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team. Seriously that video was hilarious, and in general he is one of the more entertaining casters/personalities out there. Plus as long as he keeps attempting to be a pro-gamer, his casting analysis will at least still be of a top caliber. InControl has one of the best return of investment of all progamers. He gives so much publicity to his sponsors.
When i think about it, Incontrol is the Anna Kournikova of eSports <3
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On May 11 2012 01:24 Meggiroth wrote:
I'm so sick with this "i don't want to skip my education" bulshit. First stephano now thorzain too. I didn't know colleges disappear from the face of the world in a few years and now its the only time to do it.
Well you learn slower as you grow older. It's hard to go through an intensive learning process when you're older then 30. Also they might have a wife and perhaps kids and more responsibility's that come with age.
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On May 11 2012 01:30 altered wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:55 convention wrote:On May 11 2012 00:46 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:On May 11 2012 00:36 Klonere wrote:On May 11 2012 00:35 Southwards wrote:
Can someone please tell me why incontrol is still on the team? He is really bad compared to everyone else lol He is an amazing PR guy and personality and acts as a team captain. He doesn't need results to contribute to the team. Seriously that video was hilarious, and in general he is one of the more entertaining casters/personalities out there. Plus as long as he keeps attempting to be a pro-gamer, his casting analysis will at least still be of a top caliber. InControl has one of the best return of investment of all progamers. He gives so much publicity to his sponsors. When i think about it, Incontrol is the Anna Kournikova of eSports <3
LOL. But seriously, if everyone who didn't get results was kicked off their respective teams...god that'd be horrible. Imagine all the BW players who wouldn't have teams.
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On May 11 2012 00:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:38 helvete wrote:On May 10 2012 23:04 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 20:31 takingbackoj wrote:On May 10 2012 20:14 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 20:07 takingbackoj wrote:On May 10 2012 20:04 mcc wrote:On May 10 2012 19:56 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 10 2012 18:15 Velr wrote:
I don't see any upset people?
I just see a rich team buying another player from a poorer, which in about any sport I know happens and is not exactly "liked" by just about anyone except the fanbase of the rich team?
In the case of EG it's just hilarious that they still lack the result although their whole roster consists of... the most expensive players there are/were at the time of the purchase?... They probably should just ask the teamleagues to sell them the trophy directly :D...
The real important questions are:
Has Thorzain yet recieved his life long stock of Muscle Shirts (which look terrible and as a sponsor i would prohibit my players wearing them in front of a camre) and his oversized cup to drink ugly looking protein(?) shakes AND most important his beard. EG lacks results? They have better results than any other foreign team. They've won MLGs, IEMs, NASL and have had top 3's at many of those tournaments as well. Team Leagues are secondary. GSTL is the only one that really matters. The rest are online. I'm sorry, but online competition is just, its not fair. Outside of Thorzain, what tournaments were the rest of Mouz winning? They are not really foreign team or rather that distinction is meaningless now with Koreans being on nearly every roster. So you comparing them with foreign teams only is not really fair. You should compare them with all (but mostly Korean) teams. As for which "foreign" team can be compared to them. I would say 3 code S players are better than 0 and 2 code S Ro8 contenders are also rather better than what EG has achieved. I hope you know which team I am alluding to. Ya not Mouz. And ? On page 871 you say "If I had best interest if ThorZain in mind, I would say EG offer was bad for him. He should have quit SC2 as quickly as possible and go back to school. But my opinion is based purely on this move ruining my favourite team. And of course on my eternal hatred for everything related to EG." Your favorite team is implied to be mouz. I bet you didn't flame them when Thorzain was with them. Also on page 958 you say "If you actually cared for ThorZain's well-being you would wish he quit SC2 and went to school. And I couldn't care less about esports." This is probably the most pretentious and ignorant thing I have ever heard any human being say. Ignoring the fact that you think you know whats best for people you don't know personally, and ignoring the fact that the statement "And I couldn't care less about esports." directly goes against your previous statement of having a favorite SC2 pro team and being emotionally invested enough to have an eternal hatred of another, if you really had Thorzains best interest in mind you would want him to be happy with what he does in life and have enough respect for him as a person to not imply you know whats best for him. You are not bright. Lets start with, what does that have to do with the discussion I had with jmbthirteen about whether EG is the best foreign team ? Your response have no relation to that. That is why I responded with "And ?". If you have problem with what I said in post on page XXX, quote the relevant post. Do not quote completely unrelated one with completely unrelated response. Now for your arguments. There is nothing contradictory about me not caring about esports and having emotional investment in teams. I can easily not care if esports dies or not and yet be emotionally invested in teams or players. They are not the same thing. Not even mentioning that teams (not pro, but still teams) can exist without professional esports.If you quoted the posts you would also notice the context which would be helpful so you do not make completely irrelevant remarks like last part of your post. I'm gonna butt in here to quickly state that this is so very very true! The SC2 community especially seem to suffer from the idea that only professional Esports matter, as if the value of the games played equals the amount of money invested, or the number of viewers. Personally, I don't give a rats ass about how many others are watching a game, or how much the winners take home. By that logic we should all be watching soccer instead. In fact, I prefer to watch a stream without a lot of people in it. I prefer a low level tournament (if it includes good players ofc) that focuses on the games and not some "brand". To me monetizing Esports too much is to remove the soul of the games and replace it with empty commercialism, it is to remove the true fan and replace him/her (well.. him) with sheep who'll flock to whatever is the flavor of the month. The love of the game is all that matters and while a little money will help spread that love, a lot of money will kill it. For me. edit: to bring this horribly off topic post more on topic, I'll just say that this is why I don't like Thorzain going to EG. Or rather, this is why I don't like EG. They seem to be one of the great engines of monetization in Esports. Without money there would be no esports this is peoples jobs if you can't understand that then well i don't know why your here.Players make the game but without the money no one would do this unless it's as a hobby and you wouldn't see as nearly good players, not everyone can go to university and play this game at such a high level even some players like polt decided to take a break from school to pursue his career as a pro Stacraft 2 player. Every single team needs money to run, every single event needs a sponsor to run, unless the company running the event is it's own sponsor like redbull(running their own tournament) there would be no casters either it would just be a hobby for them. People trying to ruing e-sports is not good and when you hate on a team because their signing a player ont h eir and it's a move for them because of money then that's how it is, this how it is in real sports and theirs nothing wrong with doing that.
You do realize that thats how esports started right? Barely any money for tournies casters who did it for the love of the game. Players who still bootcamped to get great at a game with very little monetary support. So saying esports will die without the money, no no it won't. And personally i like tournaments better without sound booths with teams yelling back and forth when one gets a advantage and a crowed huddled around the players.
Do i want to see that happen again no. But i think the scene has lost something along the way when a bunch of money was introduced
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On May 11 2012 01:32 Bojas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 01:24 Meggiroth wrote:
I'm so sick with this "i don't want to skip my education" bulshit. First stephano now thorzain too. I didn't know colleges disappear from the face of the world in a few years and now its the only time to do it. Well you learn slower as you grow older. It's hard to go through an intensive learning process when you're older then 30. Also they might have a wife and perhaps kids and more responsibility's that come with age.
wife and kids come from a choice to have them not with age
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Looks like most of the EU crowd is sad, and Americans are happy. Def. a hot pick up for EG and a loss for mouz. In fact, it will be a loss for the EU as Thorzain has delivered some awesome games and really stepped up sc2 in the EU scene. Having a player like thorzain on a team, means that the whole team gets lifted because you get to train with the best.
I wish you the best Marcus, GL in the SlayerS house, and I hope your trip to the States finds you in good spirits. For me you will always be mouz.Thorzain who won DH this yr.
<3 All the best!
"Jävla Terran" Lololol (is what the guy who throws the chess board in the video says, it means like "damn terran". This is also what Naniwa said in the TSL3 teaser youvideos to Thorzain, so I find that quite amusing :D)
Edit: U will (also) always be the one who defeated so many good players in TSL3, and gave me the most nerdchills in the finals. Uff that Taldarim game *_*, never forget that one!
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Gotta love ThorZain and... hey, I was not very sure about thorzain going to EG... something was wrong, you know?
BUT THEN... I saw that video ... and everyone questioning about incontrol's relevance in EG will be ignored by me from now on.
Great video, great pickup by EG, (probably) great deal for ThorZain and I wish you all good luck together! 
I used to dislike EG at the very beginning of the team because of various reasons, but they've become a great team to follow and admire.
Also, Thank you Incontrol for being such an awesome representative personality for esports.
We should be all more appreciative.
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Great addition for EG. I think a player like Thorzain would be able to fit in any team and I think thats the kinds of player EG needs. One without drama that get results that is. 
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