With great pride in our hearts we're ready to present you the latest addition to our StarCraft II team.
Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to Kim "Oz" Hak Soo who will be playing under black and orange flag from now on. This young and ambitious Protoss player had just placed in GSL Code S Round of 8, and has a lot of other achievements behind his belt, such as placing 4th at 2012 MLG Pro Circuit Winter Arena.
We would like to thank team FXO for being amazingly professional during the transfer, here's the statement from FXO.BoSs:
It's been a pleasure getting to know Hak Soo over the last year. Unfortunately, our vision for the future did not line up and foreign events became more of a priority for him. We look forward to him becoming the best player he can possibly be and will always be supportive of his endevours. Our General Manager, Elroy "Noname" Pinto has issued the following statement:
Today we are happy to bring Oz over into our team. He has impressed us a lot and his presence in the team will be
welcomed. Oz is someone who brings over a unique aura over to the team, he gets along well with everyone on our team and is a great personality in the scene. GSTL is something we take really seriously and I believe with this move we get that much closer to achieving a strong performance in the upcoming season as well as other team leagues. A huge round of thanks to Hwanni for helping us seal the deal and RaidCall, MSI, SteelSeries & EIZO for making this awesome pick up possible. Let's do this fnatic. Here is the small interview with our new player:
Thoughts/comments on the transfer? It is an honor to join FnaticRaidCall, a well renowned team that possesses a long history and tradition within esports industry. I am grateful of Team Fnatic on recruiting me and I will put as much effort as possible to provide stellar results in return. Also, I would like to thank both Coach Choya and Owner Boss for respecting my decision when I decided to make a move. Expectation values of the team as a new player? There is a particular practice format within the team. I consider and value on the teammates' union instead of the number of players on the team. Because I possess a strong friendship with current players on Team Fnatic, I think we will be well-fitted and provide positive synergetic effects to each other. The main reason why I decided this transfer is because of the guarantee of my participating in multiple foreign tournaments. In the past, Fnatic's Counter Strike team had attended in many foreign tournaments and I am excited of such numerous attendance of foreign tournaments as well. Particular goals? Unfortunately I have not been able to lift up a trophy of any major tournaments yet. I am going to start fresh in Team Fnatic and build up my career with multiple championships under my belt. The GSTL will commence soon and since it's the first time that Fnatic is participating in the GSTL, I would like to exhibit a strong impression. Although it may seem that we have a very thin layer of players compared to other teams, We will show the underlying true strength of our team. Any last words? Thank you to all of the fans who have been shown a substantial amount of support, and from now, the enchantment and spells of FnaticOz will commence. Please provide a lot of support and cheers.
On May 07 2012 03:11 masterbreti wrote: I have a feeling this isn't going to end that well. BoSS clearly didn't want to let Oz go, but I have a feeling his hand was forced.
"It's been a pleasure getting to know Hak Soo over the last year. Unfortunately, our vision for the future did not line up and foreign events became more of a priority for him. We look forward to him becoming the best player he can possibly be and will always be supportive of his endevours."
Well this is interesting. FXO couldn't be considered on of the struggling Korean teams who can't pay salary and have bad living conditions. I wonder what prompted this move.....Kinda hope Fnatic aren't going down the WC3 MYM route of just paying big bucks for all the best players.
Ehh they should do some grammer and style checks before announcing stuff. I got to say Oz is really great and he will only make fnatic more impressive for next years GSTL.
On May 07 2012 03:09 Uquu wrote: Didnt see this coming. I though Oz was made for FXO. Anyways this is good for Fnatic and for their future GSTL! Hwaiting!
It's a pretty easy guess when you read the twitter.
On May 07 2012 03:09 Uquu wrote: Didnt see this coming. I though Oz was made for FXO. Anyways this is good for Fnatic and for their future GSTL! Hwaiting!
It's a pretty easy guess when you read the twitter.
Oh what the hell, Fnatic did it again? I hope they stop this, they had luck with TSL being in controversy already, so nobody cared how they got aLive, but now...we'll see.
Nice addition, now they have a very strong Korean protoss, Moon and Byul just need to step it up and I can see them going very far in the GSTL Nice acquisition.
Really happy for fnatic, but sort of confused. With the KeSpa/OGN/GOM/Blizz union and more leagues in korea, this transfer and "want to go to foreign tournaments" strikes me as a little bit of an odd decision for Oz. O_o Oh well, best of luck to both Oz and fnatic.
On May 07 2012 03:14 Veclada wrote: Was there a post about Oz leaving FXO or something? Anyways good news for fnatic and Oz himself. But wasent he captain of FXO?
On May 07 2012 03:27 JeffGoldblum wrote: Didn't Boss angrily tweet about someone trying to poach an FXO player at an MLG and it turned out to be Hwanni trying to poach Oz?
They are obviously over it so no need to start any shit
We would like to thank team FXO for being amazingly professional during the transfer, here's the statement from FXO.BoSs:
It's been a pleasure getting to know Hak Soo over the last year. Unfortunately, our vision for the future did not line up and foreign events became more of a priority for him. We look forward to him becoming the best player he can possibly be and will always be supportive of his endevours.
On May 07 2012 03:14 Veclada wrote: Was there a post about Oz leaving FXO or something? Anyways good news for fnatic and Oz himself. But wasent he captain of FXO?
That is Choya I believe.
choya is coach and/or manager, I'm pretty sure Oz was team captain
EDIT: Also to the
We would like to thank team FXO for being amazingly professional during the transfer, here's the statement from FXO.BoSs:
Hide nested quote - It's been a pleasure getting to know Hak Soo over the last year. Unfortunately, our vision for the future did not line up and foreign events became more of a priority for him. We look forward to him becoming the best player he can possibly be and will always be supportive of his endevours.
There is no chance in hell boss would actually post "Yea I'm actually really fucking pissed that they poached one of my best players" no matter what his true opinions are. He still has to remain professional and at least ACT nice.
On May 07 2012 03:09 Uquu wrote: Didnt see this coming. I though Oz was made for FXO. Anyways this is good for Fnatic and for their future GSTL! Hwaiting!
It's a pretty easy guess when you read the twitter.
Oh what the hell, Fnatic did it again? I hope they stop this, they had luck with TSL being in controversy already, so nobody cared how they got aLive, but now...we'll see.
I dont know if it matters, but that tweet is old. Look at the date. To be honest i dont care. Teams need to either be able to keep their players happy, or they will lose them.
Good pickup by fnatic. The GSTL participation looks really promising now. Now they should not get trashed by the korean teams.
Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to Kim "Oz" Hak Soo who will be playing under black and orange flag from now on.
I guess they mean "slightly washed out orange" as Oz already wore black and orange (FXO's colors).
Anyways, seems like Fnatic keeps following the example of FXO: Buy into the Korean market, get recognized as a Korean team, then later get rid of all the underperforming token foreigners.
Shame to hear about the translator shenanigans in this player transfer. I hope it wasn't Hwanni.
On May 07 2012 03:14 Veclada wrote: Was there a post about Oz leaving FXO or something? Anyways good news for fnatic and Oz himself. But wasent he captain of FXO?
That is Choya I believe.
Choya is the coach, not sure if he's the captain. Oz was fOu's captain back before he joined FXO and before fOu got bought by FXO.
On May 07 2012 03:14 Veclada wrote: Was there a post about Oz leaving FXO or something? Anyways good news for fnatic and Oz himself. But wasent he captain of FXO?
That is Choya I believe.
Choya is the coach, not sure if he's the captain. Oz was fOu's captain back before he joined FXO and before fOu got bought by FXO.
On May 07 2012 03:14 Veclada wrote: Was there a post about Oz leaving FXO or something? Anyways good news for fnatic and Oz himself. But wasent he captain of FXO?
That is Choya I believe.
Choya is the coach, not sure if he's the captain. Oz was fOu's captain back before he joined FXO and before fOu got bought by FXO.
Just looked at FXO's roster, there's no crown over any of the player's names indicating that he was the captain, so im guessing Oz was the team captain?
On May 07 2012 03:14 Veclada wrote: Was there a post about Oz leaving FXO or something? Anyways good news for fnatic and Oz himself. But wasent he captain of FXO?
That is Choya I believe.
Choya is the coach, not sure if he's the captain. Oz was fOu's captain back before he joined FXO and before fOu got bought by FXO.
well I have to admit never saw it coming always think Oz - Leenock - Lucky - Choya - Gumiho will go up forever. its a pity, but yet excited, cant wait to see how it will be in the coming GSTL :D
This leaves a bit of a hole in their roster's Protoss department (FXO). I am curious if they will be scouting for another high level protoss as their current best P is choya. Not that choya is bad.. but you know he has other things to be doing than practicing himself ..
On May 07 2012 03:27 JeffGoldblum wrote: Didn't Boss angrily tweet about someone trying to poach an FXO player at an MLG and it turned out to be Hwanni trying to poach Oz?
In a nutshell, it looks Fxoboss mentioned an unnamed "translator" convinced Oz to join Fnatic at MLG.
I suppose Hwanni fits the bill since he works for Fnatic.
A few interesting quotes from Fxoboss in that thread in Reddit:
"I'm going to add one more touch to this drama. The issue at hand is not what, its who. Managers and teams talk to players all the time, its not a secret. But someone who you don't suspect to do it, does it, right under your nose, and because of language you can't understand. Its very dirty, and doesn't allow for dual input."
"You are right. It was an empty threat. Although, making it extremely expensive for someone to challenge it in court would be one approach. However, this person was entrusted to translate for an event on behalf of the event. He was there soliciting for another team. This is a breach of trust (yes I know players don't sign a trust act). I have no issue at all with team members, or coaches, managers or owners talking to my players (I would like to know first, but I would never say no). However, when its someone doing it when you don't think thats something they will do. It becomes a despicable act. My threat was just hasty words of anger. Especially since as a team owner, we are the ones who pay the money for the deals to be met, made or negotiated. Not having a chance to even negotiate due to language barrier/not knowing who is soliciting and when, makes it difficult for any owner to do business. I am sure that victor will agree. For instance, when Liquid picked up sheth, victor spoke to me about it and it was a clean transaction. I would assume that you would give your team the same sort of heads up if you planned on leaving liquid and I am sure that the other side of the transaction would contact liquid just as quickly.
As I have stated clearly, its not what was done, its who was doing it. If he is going to go to events to solicit players, fine, but don't be getting paid to translate for players at the same time."
On May 07 2012 03:14 Veclada wrote: Was there a post about Oz leaving FXO or something? Anyways good news for fnatic and Oz himself. But wasent he captain of FXO?
That is Choya I believe.
Choya is the coach, not sure if he's the captain. Oz was fOu's captain back before he joined FXO and before fOu got bought by FXO.
On May 07 2012 03:35 DayWalk3r wrote: oooh great pick up, hopefully FXO will be still as strong as before after this loss
I think they will recover, tree's in the GSL, tear is a very promising player who's won the first week of EWM and hell even thebest is doing well he's won 2 ESV weeklies which includes a BO5 win over thestc.
On May 07 2012 03:35 DayWalk3r wrote: oooh great pick up, hopefully FXO will be still as strong as before after this loss
I think they will recover, tree's in the GSL, tear is a very promising player who's won the first week of EWM and hell even thebest is doing well he's won 2 ESV weeklies which includes a BO5 win over thestc.
TheBest is doing so well lately, it's cool to see him and Choya making a comeback =)
Tear is great, definitely think he can be GSL calibre.
On May 07 2012 03:11 Klonere wrote: Well this is interesting. FXO couldn't be considered on of the struggling Korean teams who can't pay salary and have bad living conditions. I wonder what prompted this move.....Kinda hope Fnatic aren't going down the WC3 MYM route of just paying big bucks for all the best players.
Actually if you read the OP, Oz wanted to be involved with more foreign events. Something FXO clearly doesn't want to do.
On May 07 2012 03:35 DayWalk3r wrote: oooh great pick up, hopefully FXO will be still as strong as before after this loss
I think they will recover, tree's in the GSL, tear is a very promising player who's won the first week of EWM and hell even thebest is doing well he's won 2 ESV weeklies which includes a BO5 win over thestc.
TheBest is doing so well lately, it's cool to see him and Choya making a comeback =)
Tear is great, definitely think he can be GSL calibre.
iirc Tear all-killed Prime (every big name but MKP) in a KSL quite recently. He's pretty beast
On May 07 2012 03:11 Klonere wrote: Well this is interesting. FXO couldn't be considered on of the struggling Korean teams who can't pay salary and have bad living conditions. I wonder what prompted this move.....Kinda hope Fnatic aren't going down the WC3 MYM route of just paying big bucks for all the best players.
Actually if you read the OP, Oz wanted to be involved with more foreign events. Something FXO clearly doesn't want to do.
Can't see why FXO can't afford that though, they're pretty well off afaik.
I loved FXO because they had a top player from each race. Oz Gumiho and Lennock But now, the only have 2 and lost my favorite player. I hope fanatic can pick up another top Zerg, so the I will love the team too. Currently I just like OZ, aLive and ToD, Moon, NightEnd, and rain are cool too.
Lets hope that aLive and Oz become like HerO and Tajea and improve instead of declining like other Koreans who join foreign teams (ahem JYP, Rain, Puma, Nada, etc). I am really hoping that their management is as good as Liquid's.
Well grats to Fnatic, I hope Oz does well in foreign tourneys, he was always one of my favorite toss players and still is. Getting to see him attend foreign tourneys is good for exposure at least.
On May 07 2012 03:09 Uquu wrote: Didnt see this coming. I though Oz was made for FXO. Anyways this is good for Fnatic and for their future GSTL! Hwaiting!
It's a pretty easy guess when you read the twitter.
Oh what the hell, Fnatic did it again? I hope they stop this, they had luck with TSL being in controversy already, so nobody cared how they got aLive, but now...we'll see.
Fnatic is looking good, didn't see this one at all.
(err, I'd argue Naniwa is better than ToD. Maybe Huk too. There's a handful of pretty good foreign Toss out there, and Tod isn't at the top of any of my lists. Also, Parting, Squirtle are better than Oz imo, and if you average out MC'ds streakiness, he's still around Oz's level)
Now if only they would get Sen back... I love him, but he needs to start playing against better opponents, because beating up on the poor TeSL isn't helping him improve that much. :/
On May 07 2012 03:11 Klonere wrote: Well this is interesting. FXO couldn't be considered on of the struggling Korean teams who can't pay salary and have bad living conditions. I wonder what prompted this move.....Kinda hope Fnatic aren't going down the WC3 MYM route of just paying big bucks for all the best players.
Actually if you read the OP, Oz wanted to be involved with more foreign events. Something FXO clearly doesn't want to do.
Can't see why FXO can't afford that though, they're pretty well off afaik.
From my viewer's perspective, I like the move because I'll hopefully get to see more of Oz. I hope it benefits him too.. Really dunno about FXO though.
On May 07 2012 03:50 slytown wrote: So Fnatic has Tod and Oz, maybe the best foreign and korean protosses. Such a sick lineup they ahve.
I would put ST.Parting above OZ as best korean toss, and Naniwa is far superior to Tod. Great addition to Fnatic though, they really are creating one hell of a lineup.
On May 07 2012 03:50 slytown wrote: So Fnatic has Tod and Oz, maybe the best foreign and korean protosses. Such a sick lineup they ahve.
Tod's nowhere near best foreign protoss I'd say - Huk and Nani at least are probably better. Heck, I reckon White-ra might be better than tod.
White-Ra is an amazing role model no doubt about it, but he's not on the same level as guys like SaSe, ToD, HuK and Naniwa really.
Fnatic seems to have a very strong lineup right now. Looking forward to seeing what Liquid and Fnatic can do in the GSTL. I'd back at least one of them to make it out of their group.
Oz Know what is good for him.. Maby Fxo dont wanna send him at tournaments dunno , but he say that...
"The main reason why I decided this transfer is because of the guarantee of my participating in multiple foreign tournaments. In the past, Fnatic's Counter Strike team had attended in many foreign tournaments and I am excited of such numerous attendance of foreign tournaments as well."
On May 07 2012 03:47 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lets hope that aLive and Oz become like HerO and Tajea and improve instead of declining like other Koreans who join foreign teams (ahem JYP, Rain, Puma, Nada, etc). I am really hoping that their management is as good as Liquid's.
I dont know what you are talking about. Rain is constantly doing well in MLG and other tournaments he enters. Before he went to Fnatic he actually was laughed about as a cheesy noob. Today people respect him as a solid player. He never was MVP or Nestea level, but he is not on the decline. Puma? Look at his liquipedia entries and his successes after he joined EG. And please dont talk about NaDa as if he ever played SC2 seriously. He got by with the little he trained at the start of SC2 because he is NaDa, but players caught up and the competition is way harder now. So no matter where NaDa plays. As long as he doesnt take the game serious and starts training full time, he will never post better results than at the beginning.
On May 07 2012 03:11 Klonere wrote: Well this is interesting. FXO couldn't be considered on of the struggling Korean teams who can't pay salary and have bad living conditions. I wonder what prompted this move.....Kinda hope Fnatic aren't going down the WC3 MYM route of just paying big bucks for all the best players.
Actually if you read the OP, Oz wanted to be involved with more foreign events. Something FXO clearly doesn't want to do.
Can't see why FXO can't afford that though, they're pretty well off afaik.
From my viewer's perspective, I like the move because I'll hopefully get to see more of Oz. I hope it benefits him too.. Really dunno about FXO though.
Yeah, I really like Oz (my second fav player) but I'm a bit conflicted as to what to think about it now that he's joined fnatic (one of my less favourite teams) and over this little controversy with hwanni to boot. I'll probably root for him in individual leagues and for him to all-kill in team leagues hahah
On May 07 2012 03:47 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lets hope that aLive and Oz become like HerO and Tajea and improve instead of declining like other Koreans who join foreign teams (ahem JYP, Rain, Puma, Nada, etc). I am really hoping that their management is as good as Liquid's.
I dont know what you are talking about. Rain is constantly doing well in MLG and other tournaments he enters. Before he went to Fnatic he actually was laughed about as a cheesy noob. Today people respect him as a solid player. He never was MVP or Nestea level, but he is not on the decline.
On May 07 2012 03:47 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lets hope that aLive and Oz become like HerO and Tajea and improve instead of declining like other Koreans who join foreign teams (ahem JYP, Rain, Puma, Nada, etc). I am really hoping that their management is as good as Liquid's.
I dont know what you are talking about. Rain is constantly doing well in MLG and other tournaments he enters. Before he went to Fnatic he actually was laughed about as a cheesy noob. Today people respect him as a solid player. He never was MVP or Nestea level, but he is not on the decline. Puma? Look at his liquipedia entries and his successes after he joined EG. And please dont talk about NaDa as if he ever played SC2 seriously. He got by with the little he trained at the start of SC2 because he is NaDa, but players caught up and the competition is way harder now. So no matter where NaDa plays. As long as he doesnt take the game serious and starts training full time, he will never post better results than at the beginning.
I agree. And TaeJa played his Code S games like what... a day after he was announced as Liquid? I highly doubt his joining Liquid had too big of an impact on it other than morale. Guy's always been a sick Terran with horrible draw luck in his past Code S runs.
On May 07 2012 03:11 Klonere wrote: Well this is interesting. FXO couldn't be considered on of the struggling Korean teams who can't pay salary and have bad living conditions. I wonder what prompted this move.....Kinda hope Fnatic aren't going down the WC3 MYM route of just paying big bucks for all the best players.
Actually if you read the OP, Oz wanted to be involved with more foreign events. Something FXO clearly doesn't want to do.
Can't see why FXO can't afford that though, they're pretty well off afaik.
From my viewer's perspective, I like the move because I'll hopefully get to see more of Oz. I hope it benefits him too.. Really dunno about FXO though.
Yeah, I really like Oz (my second fav player) but I'm a bit conflicted as to what to think about it now that he's joined fnatic (one of my less favourite teams) and over this little controversy with hwanni to boot. I'll probably root for him in individual leagues and for him to all-kill in team leagues hahah
Hwanni is team menager... Every team wanna have the best players.. Its normal. its simple you like Oz , you dont like Fnatic . Dont blame Hwanni for making his job , like i write he is team menager
On May 07 2012 03:56 pallad wrote: Oz Know what is good for him.. Maby Fxo dont wanna send him at tournaments dunno , but he say that...
"The main reason why I decided this transfer is because of the guarantee of my participating in multiple foreign tournaments. In the past, Fnatic's Counter Strike team had attended in many foreign tournaments and I am excited of such numerous attendance of foreign tournaments as well."
I saw this coming from FXOpen. Their budget is similar to that of the other korean teams which is quite small. Every time Polt comes home with $ he is essentially funding his way to the next event. I definately see FXOpen focusing on winning GSTL, GSL, and the new OGN leagues.
This is a blog boss posted 6 months ago that probably foreshadows this move and oz wanting to go to as many foreign tourneys as possible. There's a mention about them scaling back their foreign travel spending on players.
Now, whilst I was recovering, the board of FXOpen took over the e-sports operations until recently, and some things have changed.
Firstly, FXOpen e-Sports will only be sending players to events when other sponsors are involved in subsidising the travel. The reason behind this is mostly because it is expensive, e-Sports aren’t our target market for advertising but a completely different business, and on top of that, alot of events prize money does not justify the cost of sending players. This was not a decision of mine, but a decision of the board (I was the only no vote).
On May 07 2012 03:56 pallad wrote: Oz Know what is good for him.. Maby Fxo dont wanna send him at tournaments dunno , but he say that...
"The main reason why I decided this transfer is because of the guarantee of my participating in multiple foreign tournaments. In the past, Fnatic's Counter Strike team had attended in many foreign tournaments and I am excited of such numerous attendance of foreign tournaments as well."
I saw this coming from FXOpen. Their budget is similar to that of the other korean teams which is quite small. Every time Polt comes home with $ he is essentially funding his way to the next event. I definately see FXOpen focusing on winning GSTL, GSL, and the new OGN leagues.
Once the BW sponsors come over, though, hopefully FXO can step it up and sponsor their guys big time :D Would love to see more tear and the other b-teamers!
Thats brilliant, Oz is definitely one of my favourite protoss, and seeing him more often at foreign tournaments is awesome. I initially thought that Fnatic werent looking too strong in gstl with aLive being their heavy hitter but with the acquisition of Oz thats completely changed too.
Wow this is huge! Oz was no doubt one of FXO's top players... and now they pretty much have no protoss. What a huge hit to their roster... well, congrats to Fnatic.
On May 07 2012 03:50 slytown wrote: So Fnatic has Tod and Oz, maybe the best foreign and korean protosses. Such a sick lineup they ahve.
Tod's nowhere near best foreign protoss I'd say - Huk and Nani at least are probably better. Heck, I reckon White-ra might be better than tod.
White-Ra is an amazing role model no doubt about it, but he's not on the same level as guys like SaSe, ToD, HuK and Naniwa really.
I agree with Nani, HuK and Sase and I could argue about MaNa, BlinG, Grubby, Socke, Feast, NightenD or Hasu as well. But what exactly has ToD done, to put himself above all those names? Did I miss something big? Because the last time I saw him was that game against happy at DH Winter and that didn´t really justify ToD as the top foreign protoss. I don´t know how much he improved in korea, so I don´t want to flame here, I am just honestly asking for your opinion.
On May 07 2012 03:50 slytown wrote: So Fnatic has Tod and Oz, maybe the best foreign and korean protosses. Such a sick lineup they ahve.
Tod's nowhere near best foreign protoss I'd say - Huk and Nani at least are probably better. Heck, I reckon White-ra might be better than tod.
White-Ra is an amazing role model no doubt about it, but he's not on the same level as guys like SaSe, ToD, HuK and Naniwa really.
Fnatic seems to have a very strong lineup right now. Looking forward to seeing what Liquid and Fnatic can do in the GSTL. I'd back at least one of them to make it out of their group.
Tod is an amazing role model no doubt about it but he's not on the same level as guys like Nani or Huk.
Tod is not really the top foreigner protoss. His best result seems to be top 16 at Dreamhack. Doesn't mean there is not potential for him to be great, but think about Huk and Naniwa who already have huge results.
Sigh. Kind of starting to feel less hyped for liquid and fnatic in gstl now that I realize their rosters are practically half korean, then you have to factor in how much each player will play (which will probably make them seem evenmore koreanish.
Well, nice pick up by fnatic, kind of sad for fxo.
Oz bouncing around teams that will pay him more. I guess, good on him for finding Fnatic, who will send him to more foreign tournaments. Though, I find it disappointing when players leave a team that gave them the basis for their success.
Whatever, best wishes for Fnatic and FXO moving forward.
Haha great addition by Fnatic, Oz such a good player. He seems to be the top name of the new protoss wave. I actually still think of him as probably the best protoss along with parting right now. (And Naniwa <3) FnaticRCOZ gonna be cool, even though I always liked the FXOZ in the GSL introduction .
On May 07 2012 04:40 Battousai13 wrote: Oz bouncing around teams that will pay him more. I guess, good on him for finding Fnatic, who will send him to more foreign tournaments. Though, I find it disappointing when players leave a team that gave them the basis for their success.
Whatever, best wishes for Fnatic and FXO moving forward.
you make it sound like Oz has been on a ton of teams.
On May 07 2012 04:40 Battousai13 wrote: Oz bouncing around teams that will pay him more. I guess, good on him for finding Fnatic, who will send him to more foreign tournaments. Though, I find it disappointing when players leave a team that gave them the basis for their success.
Whatever, best wishes for Fnatic and FXO moving forward.
you make it sound like Oz has been on a ton of teams.
He's been on 2 teams before, that's like double the amount of teams for some people.
On May 07 2012 04:50 RmoteCntrld wrote: Good for Oz, don't care much for FXO anymore after they bought out fOu and basically took a shit on all the foreigners on their team.
Probably cause all the foreigners weren't competitive compared to the Koreans they picked up?
On May 07 2012 03:08 Weaklink123 wrote: Damn TL is good at calling shit from blurry photos. I think as a community we would own a competitive who's that pokemon. :D
On May 07 2012 03:07 dragonborn wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to Kim "Oz" Hak Soo who will be playing under black and orange flag from now on.
On May 07 2012 03:07 dragonborn wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to Kim "Oz" Hak Soo who will be playing under black and orange flag from now on.
On May 07 2012 03:07 dragonborn wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a warm welcome to Kim "Oz" Hak Soo who will be playing under black and orange flag from now on.
Aren't FXO's colours black and orange too?
Yeah, actually now three GSTL teams have black/orange as their color scheme: FXO, Startale and Fnatic.
Considering how bad Oz has done at every foreigner event this kind of surprises me. I guess he has a better shot there then at GSL although he seems to have a shot at winning that each of the last couple...
Getting tired of this "All foreign teams pick up Koreans" trend. If this continues, and foreign teams don't take the time to scout upcoming talent, the foreign scene will stagnate quickly.
On May 07 2012 05:10 Sliver wrote: Getting tired of this "All foreign teams pick up Koreans" trend. If this continues, and foreign teams don't take the time to scout upcoming talent, the foreign scene will stagnate quickly.
Fnatic is living and practicing in Korea. They're competing in the hardest team league in the world. They just picked up one of the best five Protosses in the entire world. People need to stop looking at "foreign" and "Korean" teams and just look at who is on the team. Oz makes Fnatic a way, way better team than if they picked up three upcoming talents they could trot out there in the GSTL.
On May 07 2012 05:10 Sliver wrote: Getting tired of this "All foreign teams pick up Koreans" trend. If this continues, and foreign teams don't take the time to scout upcoming talent, the foreign scene will stagnate quickly.
Fnatic is living and practicing in Korea. They're competing in the hardest team league in the world. They just picked up one of the best five Protosses in the entire world. People need to stop looking at "foreign" and "Korean" teams and just look at who is on the team. Oz makes Fnatic a way, way better team than if they picked up three upcoming talents they could trot out there in the GSTL.
So? Good for them I suppose? That is totally beyond and irrelevant to the point that I'm making. Buying tip-top talent is good but for how long? Amateur players need to be scouted and untapped potential needs to be jumped on. The Korean teams seem to get it, as they are constantly getting young and new players, who then pop out and go beast-mode in the GSTL. There is currently no foreigner team doing that, I believe.
dafuq are people discussing Tod in this thread for? Also, for people saying he has no notable results i can look at his liquipedia page once and i'm already 100% sure you're full of shit.
On May 07 2012 05:10 Sliver wrote: Getting tired of this "All foreign teams pick up Koreans" trend. If this continues, and foreign teams don't take the time to scout upcoming talent, the foreign scene will stagnate quickly.
Fnatic is living and practicing in Korea. They're competing in the hardest team league in the world. They just picked up one of the best five Protosses in the entire world. People need to stop looking at "foreign" and "Korean" teams and just look at who is on the team. Oz makes Fnatic a way, way better team than if they picked up three upcoming talents they could trot out there in the GSTL.
So? Good for them I suppose? That is totally beyond and irrelevant to the point that I'm making. Buying tip-top talent is good but for how long? Amateur players need to be scouted and untapped potential needs to be jumped on. The Korean teams seem to get it, as they are constantly getting young and new players, who then pop out and go beast-mode in the GSTL. There is currently no foreigner team doing that, I believe.
People are. However, investing in upcoming talent isn't very popular. Just read through the thread about Vile being absorbed by Quantic. So many people saying it's a waste of money when they could have spent that cash on buying a good Korean. It doesn't matter what you do, people hate everything.
Hmm, this must be what Fxoboss was talking about a while back, about translators trying to poach his players, after MLG Winter Arena? Hwanni works for Fnatic, right?
Damn shame IMO, FXOz was one of the best ID's in sc2. Can't think of another player with only one letter for his ID. He was also by far the best toss on FXO, now they only have Choya..... Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if Choya's disastrous actions in the GSTL was the main cause for Oz leaving the team.
On May 07 2012 06:34 carloselcoco wrote: I don not really like how Fnatic is going through the same that FXO did a while ago. Going from foreigner to Korean :/
Correction: Going from worse players to better players. While I share your sadness regarding foreigners being less notable, its hard to have sympathy when they are worse players.
On May 07 2012 06:37 sitromit wrote: Hmm, this must be what Fxoboss was talking about a while back, about translators trying to poach his players, after MLG Winter Arena? Hwanni works for Fnatic, right?
Please don't. The last thing we need right now is yet another player transfer exploding into ridiculous speculation controversy. Boss said he wanted foreign events, and couldn't provide them. Fnatic will. So he moved. That's it.
On May 07 2012 06:37 Amlitzer wrote: Damn shame IMO, FXOz was one of the best ID's in sc2. Can't think of another player with only one letter for his ID. He was also by far the best toss on FXO, now they only have Choya..... Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if Choya's disastrous actions in the GSTL was the main cause for Oz leaving the team.
There's a reason for that. Battlenet doesn't allow it.
Man, every time I see one of these transfer announcements, I can't help but read it as "X has agreed to stop improving and slowly slide into irrelevance in exchange for an MLG or two..."
On May 07 2012 07:14 Belisarius wrote: Man, every time I see one of these transfer announcements, I can't help but read it as "X has agreed to stop improving and slowly slide into irrelevance in exchange for an MLG or two..."
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
That they do. Looking forward to GSTL.
To be honest, nightend/moon/tod are not very scary at all compared to most professional teams. I'd classify Tod at around iNcontroL's skill level (which isn't bad, it just isn't amazing)
Oz/aLive/Rain are a nice three hit combo though, sadly I don't know enough about ByuL (thought it was byun at first) to classify him as a player.
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
That they do. Looking forward to GSTL.
To be honest, nightend/moon/tod are not very scary at all compared to most professional teams. I'd classify Tod at around iNcontroL's skill level (which isn't bad, it just isn't amazing)
Oz/aLive/Rain are a nice three hit combo though, sadly I don't know enough about ByuL (thought it was byun at first) to classify him as a player.
I seriously ROFLd at you comparing ToD to iNcontroL.
All due respect to Geoff, but ToD is sick good and on another level >_<
On May 07 2012 06:37 Amlitzer wrote: Damn shame IMO, FXOz was one of the best ID's in sc2. Can't think of another player with only one letter for his ID. He was also by far the best toss on FXO, now they only have Choya..... Come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if Choya's disastrous actions in the GSTL was the main cause for Oz leaving the team.
no way lol, that is nothing to leave a team over. this has been in the works for a while, ever since hwanni started courting him at mlg winter
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
That they do. Looking forward to GSTL.
To be honest, nightend/moon/tod are not very scary at all compared to most professional teams. I'd classify Tod at around iNcontroL's skill level (which isn't bad, it just isn't amazing)
Oz/aLive/Rain are a nice three hit combo though, sadly I don't know enough about ByuL (thought it was byun at first) to classify him as a player.
Are you serious? ToD has always been at least a ladderbeast. He was owning EU gm ladder with 75% winrate, iNcontroL is not even destroying NA ladder lol.... you can't base a players skill level on results only. When watching ToD play he seems to be inbetween top foreign Protoss players like Naniwa/SaSe/HuK and decent players like BlinG/elfi. I'd say hes around the level of MaNa rightnow. NightEnD seems to be in good form lately and I'd say he is a little ahead of ToD.
Also iNcontroL can definitely be considered "bad" compared to other pro gamers. There are completely unknown players at his level.
On May 07 2012 07:30 amazingoopah wrote: feel sad for FXO... looking at its roster, besides Leenock and Gumiho, I'm not seeing that next breakout star, let alone elite players...
at this rate, it'll be team liquid versus fnatic for the GSTL title...
fxotear baby! and asd/thebest resurgence is great too
fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
best of luck on future endeavors Oz, i really enjoyed your time with FXO. I really liked watching you play under the FXO banner when FXO first went to the GSTL, and later after the acquisition of the fOu roster. It's a little sad for me, but i'll still cheer you on; doesn't mean my non-affection for the Fnatic team will necessarily increase =\
Damn, did not expect this. Fnatic is looking more and more prepared for the GSTL. I still remember last week when they had to forfeit a KSL match because they didn't have enough players. Hopefully that won't be happening once the GSTL starts.
On May 07 2012 08:01 dragonborn wrote: fnatic signed a protoss player but peoples discussing about "who is best terran".
seems legit.
we were also discussing top 30 foreigner protoss a while back... :p
On May 07 2012 08:05 Sumahi wrote: Damn, did not expect this. Fnatic is looking more and more prepared for the GSTL. I still remember last week when they had to forfeit a KSL match because they didn't have enough players. Hopefully that won't be happening once the GSTL starts.
On May 07 2012 08:08 Dodgin wrote: Fnatic is going to be strong in the GSTL without a doubt, sucks for FXO losing a good player though.
apparently oz is not on their gstl roster, he won't be playing for them there
On May 07 2012 08:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: didn't even put STC on that terran poll? o.o
just whoever came to mind sorry. there's an 'other' option!
Seems like Choya and FXO wanted to focus on Korea and domestic events cutting international participation, which prompted Oz to make this move as he seems to want to focus on international events.
apparently oz is not on their gstl roster, he won't be playing for them there
Why won't he be on the roster? I'm pretty sure they haven't finalized rosters as the season hasn't even begun.
EDIT: Just read why... if that's the case it's really stupid. You don't finalize rosters 3 weeks before the season begins, especially when you can't change it mid-season.
On May 07 2012 08:49 BlackGosu wrote: more foreign teams signing koreans, when will this end?
it'll be interesting how it plays out when the bw teams switch fully
BW teams have a lot more money since they have major corporations backing them. I believe the concern from many Korean teams is not whether foreign teams will "poach" their players, but rather if KeSPA teams will poach their players.
I think it's a very smart move from Oz, Alive has been playing very well since he transferred to Fnatic and FXO has not been doing well at all lately, time to jump ship.
On May 07 2012 08:49 BlackGosu wrote: more foreign teams signing koreans, when will this end?
it'll be interesting how it plays out when the bw teams switch fully
BW teams have a lot more money since they have major corporations backing them. I believe the concern from many Korean teams is not whether foreign teams will "poach" their players, but rather if KeSPA teams will poach their players.
They have at least a year until that happens according to the KeSPA-Blizzard-OGN-Gretech deal iirc.
On May 07 2012 08:39 bokchoi wrote: Seems like Choya and FXO wanted to focus on Korea and domestic events cutting international participation, which prompted Oz to make this move as he seems to want to focus on international events.
ZOMG. first knew oz from funny desrow vlogs From the first moment, I knew he was going to join a foreign team because his English was so good and had an amazing sense of humour! Not to mention that he has been doing so well in recent tourneys. GOOD LUCK OZ :D
On May 07 2012 03:16 Dirtysocks wrote: More foreigner tournaments? Is he scared of BW players?
Trollin? Morem oney in foreign tournaments hence why you see so many koreans switching over to foreiner teams i.e. Puma,JYP,Alive, Moon, I can go on but you get the picture.
On May 07 2012 07:30 amazingoopah wrote: feel sad for FXO... looking at its roster, besides Leenock and Gumiho, I'm not seeing that next breakout star, let alone elite players...
at this rate, it'll be team liquid versus fnatic for the GSTL title...
Not surprising at all. We have to remember that GSLs are also twice as long now which has 2 effects.
1) Prize money per month has decreased by 50% (They did up Code A pay but for top Code S players, it is basically 1/2). The winner still does very well since the distribution is pretty top heavy. But semi-finalist pay is only $4,450 which is only $2,250 per month.
2) Participation in foreign events are much easier since the schedule is not as packed
Another reason is that foreign teams are basically setting up the same infrastructure in Korea as the Korean teams and probably have better financial support. So it is not like players are giving up their practice environments and such. Many players have actually been playing really well since their signings (Ganzi, Heart, aLive, MC). And they get more financial security.
On May 07 2012 11:21 Hwanni wrote: I swear I have never reached Oz in MLG winter Arena.
My best buddies I love to hangout is LG IM Nestea and Oz.
We ate lots of Korean food and I brought two boys out as many times as I possibly could. (my own pocket)
We had fund there. I didn't want to brag about this but if you check LG IM Nestea's interview after Winter Arena.
There is a mention where he thanks me for it. All we did was hang out eat lots of Korean Food and talk SC2.
So FXOBosS was talking about another player...
Thats must be Leenock since he was at winter arena.
Might be Lucky at Assembly too. But remember, his tweets were about a week or so after Arena, so the 'soliciting' might have been afterwards or something. Oz placed pretty well at Winter Arena too
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
The only players living in korea on that entire roster is Alive and Oz, correct? Moon also, but I seriously am beginning to doubt Moon's commitment to sc2. He went back to Warcraft 3 prior to the WCG tournament, and i think he will do it again and again whenever Warcraft 3 and Starcraft 2 practice schedules begin to clash. He's also posted poor results in recent tournaments.
Players look to Moon with a bit of jealousy based on how much money he has earned compared to the skills that he [is percieved to] have/has. He's having a hard time finding quality practice partners as well. I believe FXO Boss alluded to the ease in which some koreans have finding top notch practice partners when compared to others. The others he was referring to were on his team, and also include players like Moon
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
The only players living in korea on that entire roster is Alive and Oz, correct? Moon also, but I seriously am beginning to doubt Moon's commitment to sc2. He went back to Warcraft 3 prior to the WCG tournament, and i think he will do it again and again whenever Warcraft 3 and Starcraft 2 practice schedules begin to clash. He's also posted poor results in recent tournaments.
Players look to Moon with a bit of jealousy based on how much money he has earned compared to the skills that he [is percieved to] have/has. He's having a hard time finding quality practice partners as well. I believe FXO Boss alluded to the ease in which some koreans have finding top notch practice partners when compared to others. The others he was referring to were on his team, and also include players like Moon
Fnatic has a Korean training house. Most of, if not all, their team is there practicing along with their LoL team, I believe.
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
The only players living in korea on that entire roster is Alive and Oz, correct? Moon also, but I seriously am beginning to doubt Moon's commitment to sc2. He went back to Warcraft 3 prior to the WCG tournament, and i think he will do it again and again whenever Warcraft 3 and Starcraft 2 practice schedules begin to clash. He's also posted poor results in recent tournaments.
Players look to Moon with a bit of jealousy based on how much money he has earned compared to the skills that he [is percieved to] have/has. He's having a hard time finding quality practice partners as well. I believe FXO Boss alluded to the ease in which some koreans have finding top notch practice partners when compared to others. The others he was referring to were on his team, and also include players like Moon
At this very moment everyone is in Korea in the Fnatic team house there...well moon's at his own place and most probably Oz will go to the house as well.
They have at least a year until that happens according to the KeSPA-Blizzard-OGN-Gretech deal iirc.
Was there a hard written rule that players from existing sc2 wouldn't be able to sign with BW teams?
Yeah that's the way I understood it. I saw this posted in an article shorting after the meeting took place, so I assume it was sort of an olive branch extended to the current SC2 teams by the KeSPA teams to show that they didn't want to just steal all of their talented players (even if that is really what they might want to do).
A few things to know about the FXOpen e-sports Team
As you all should know by now, Haksu aka, Oz has been transferred to Fnatic.
To avoid unwarranted speculation in teamliquid threads, I felt it might help put to light some things regarding how our team is run, and why things happen as they do.
FXO provides budget for a certain number of events per year, plus additional extras based on tournament results.
Over the last year, FXOLeenock, FXOz, FXOLucky have been the players who have been attending overseas events.
Recently, we decided we would mix it up a bit, and send players who are performing well in online international events, to the live events. Thus mixing up who gets the chance to go overseas i.e more exposure.
At the same time, FXOpen pays for the team house, all food, electric, etc as well as a maid who comes everyday who cooks and cleans for the players.
Normally the people who go to foreign events is decided by internal team rankings. Now it will be based on the internal rankings + recent results.
Next thing to know is that FXO does have a focus on Korean events. Travel has proven to effect results in GSL/GSTL and we have those events as our priority. With the upcoming OGN events, we will be focusing even more on Korea and the opportunities Korea provides to our players. The players who are on our roster agree with this that it is the correct way to go the distance.
At the same time, we intend to send players to foreign events only if it does not interfere with their schedule for Korean events. This is purely up to Choya’s discretion.
As for Haksu (oz) he has his military coming up in the next 24 months, and its understandable that he would like to think about the now and not the future. Which is the same thing I would do in his situation.
FXOpen e-Sports negotiates with its players to make everyone comfortable. However some things are just not possible as it would require a complete overhaul of our system, which as recent results have shown, works.
We are currently scouting 3-5 more players, from Korea. And will be signing them soon however they will not be ‘already known’ players.
As our past has shown, we prefer to grow players than to buy them out. We now have a few of our growing players maturing, such as tree, tear and whale. All are very young and very talented and you will be seeing them very soon.
At the same time, over the next 6 months our budget will most likely be increasing due to market shifts and other streams of income and revenue. This allows us to maintain our team properly in a smart business manner.
Sorry if this blog is a bit jumbled up, I am trying to multi task
A few things to know about the FXOpen e-sports Team
[...]
As our past has shown, we prefer to grow players than to buy them out. We now have a few of our growing players maturing, such as tree, tear and whale. All are very young and very talented and you will be seeing them very soon.
[...]
Regards,
FXOBoSs
I really like Boss and I've always wanted FXO to do well, but I did have to snigger a little bit at this from the guy who effectively bought an entire Korean roster at one point.
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
The only players living in korea on that entire roster is Alive and Oz, correct? Moon also, but I seriously am beginning to doubt Moon's commitment to sc2. He went back to Warcraft 3 prior to the WCG tournament, and i think he will do it again and again whenever Warcraft 3 and Starcraft 2 practice schedules begin to clash. He's also posted poor results in recent tournaments.
Players look to Moon with a bit of jealousy based on how much money he has earned compared to the skills that he [is percieved to] have/has. He's having a hard time finding quality practice partners as well. I believe FXO Boss alluded to the ease in which some koreans have finding top notch practice partners when compared to others. The others he was referring to were on his team, and also include players like Moon
Moon pratice SC2 at fnatic house weekend....But the other day I think he is taking his baby families at home.....
A few things to know about the FXOpen e-sports Team
[...]
As our past has shown, we prefer to grow players than to buy them out. We now have a few of our growing players maturing, such as tree, tear and whale. All are very young and very talented and you will be seeing them very soon.
[...]
Regards,
FXOBoSs
I really like Boss and I've always wanted FXO to do well, but I did have to snigger a little bit at this from the guy who effectively bought an entire Korean roster at one point.
Appreciate your words. But preferences are not absolutes We bought out fOu because it was dying. Then the star player (sC) requested a transfer to MVP, so we got him that. The rest of the players were in a little bit of a hard time, including Oz. Now look at them go Then we have the players we obtained after the acquisition who are reaching maturity. Its going to be alot of fun soon, we are now looking for our next bunch of development players to grow which in 6-8 months time will hopefully show good results.
A few things to know about the FXOpen e-sports Team
[...]
As our past has shown, we prefer to grow players than to buy them out. We now have a few of our growing players maturing, such as tree, tear and whale. All are very young and very talented and you will be seeing them very soon.
[...]
Regards,
FXOBoSs
I really like Boss and I've always wanted FXO to do well, but I did have to snigger a little bit at this from the guy who effectively bought an entire Korean roster at one point.
Appreciate your words. But preferences are not absolutes We bought out fOu because it was dying. Then the star player (sC) requested a transfer to MVP, so we got him that. The rest of the players were in a little bit of a hard time, including Oz. Now look at them go Then we have the players we obtained after the acquisition who are reaching maturity. Its going to be alot of fun soon, we are now looking for our next bunch of development players to grow which in 6-8 months time will hopefully show good results.
Wow that is so ture! I just remembered after I read this that fOu was not a top korean team...
A few things to know about the FXOpen e-sports Team
[...]
As our past has shown, we prefer to grow players than to buy them out. We now have a few of our growing players maturing, such as tree, tear and whale. All are very young and very talented and you will be seeing them very soon.
[...]
Regards,
FXOBoSs
I really like Boss and I've always wanted FXO to do well, but I did have to snigger a little bit at this from the guy who effectively bought an entire Korean roster at one point.
Appreciate your words. But preferences are not absolutes We bought out fOu because it was dying. Then the star player (sC) requested a transfer to MVP, so we got him that. The rest of the players were in a little bit of a hard time, including Oz. Now look at them go Then we have the players we obtained after the acquisition who are reaching maturity. Its going to be alot of fun soon, we are now looking for our next bunch of development players to grow which in 6-8 months time will hopefully show good results.
Certainly wasn't expecting a reply from the man himself. Turns out the people the threads are about actually read them too. Isn't the internet cool?
I agree, of course. fOu was dying, and you turned it into a top-tier team. That's enough of a statement all on its own. I was nevertheless amused, since the buy-out was still a pretty major feature of your team's "past" even if they still had plenty of growing to do at the time. Looking forward to what comes next.
The fact that they held out for this long already is a commendable feat in and of itself. They've been around for 2 years or something, without sponsors and they are still going!
On May 07 2012 03:13 opterown wrote: noooo ozz you were one of the reasons why fxo is one of my fav teams... and you join one of my least fav teams sigh ;_;
On May 07 2012 03:13 opterown wrote: noooo ozz you were one of the reasons why fxo is one of my fav teams... and you join one of my least fav teams sigh ;_;
Don't hate the player , hate the game :p
I don't hate the player, still a big fan, but disappointed he left. Ah well.
On May 07 2012 03:13 opterown wrote: noooo ozz you were one of the reasons why fxo is one of my fav teams... and you join one of my least fav teams sigh ;_;
Don't hate the player , hate the game :p
I don't hate the player, still a big fan, but disappointed he left. Ah well.
I know I was just teasing for me it would be like if idrA left EG for liquid ! ( not that I don't love Liquid ( like common who doesn't ?) )
Strong Pickup by fnatic, hopefully either ByuL or Moon can become top tier players so they have worldclass players on all races..
On May 07 2012 03:47 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lets hope that aLive and Oz become like HerO and Tajea and improve instead of declining like other Koreans who join foreign teams (ahem JYP, Rain, Puma, Nada, etc). I am really hoping that their management is as good as Liquid's.
aLive doesnt need to improve much more, he became Top 3 Terran in fnatic, behind MMA and MKP. Beat MMA GSL and MKP IPL4 and lost extremely close to MMA last week at Iron Squid.
Oz will become more stronger, hes not as good as Squirtle or PartinG, but can beat HerO and MC imo
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
MMA is tough to rank since there is such a huge difference between his vZ vT which are both top notch but his vP... If this was during the 2011 2nd half where P was not really represented, I would put MMA this high. But with so many Ps in GSL and international tournaments, I can't see him really making deep runs. And how can you put Taeja and aLive above MKP?
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
Has departure left the team ?
More on topic : Fnatic fighting ! Hope Oz delivers :D
(Hope that ToD gets better with those sick tosses on his team too <3)
DeParture and Ares are weaker academy players, ByuL too. If those dont step up their game, others will most likely get their playing time, and they will probably get removed.
Still fnatic is doing everything right here, if you dont go forwards, you go backwards in the fast living SC2 competition.
No time for mediocre results if you claim to be professionals.
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
Has departure left the team ?
More on topic : Fnatic fighting ! Hope Oz delivers :D
(Hope that ToD gets better with those sick tosses on his team too <3)
DeParture and Ares are weaker academy players, ByuL too. If those dont step up their game, others will most likely get their playing time, and they will probably get removed.
I think Byul is quite good and improve himself quickly even he switched to sc2 is not too long ...You must know that Byul is not a academy player for fnatic (he was ever a academy player in fnatic a few weeks ago)now ,He is in the professtional team with rain ,Moon,tod oz.....
On May 07 2012 03:10 stickyhands wrote: fnatic has a really scary line up right now:
Oz ToD Moon aLive NightEnD ByuL Rain
Has departure left the team ?
More on topic : Fnatic fighting ! Hope Oz delivers :D
(Hope that ToD gets better with those sick tosses on his team too <3)
DeParture and Ares are weaker academy players, ByuL too. If those dont step up their game, others will most likely get their playing time, and they will probably get removed.
I think Byul is quite good and improve himself quickly even he switched to sc2 is not too long ...You must know that Byul is not a academy player for fnatic (he was ever a academy player in fnatic a few weeks ago)now ,He is in the professtional team with rain ,Moon,tod oz..... I
As much as I really haven't liked the moves Fnatic has made, this is a really good pick up for them. Oz is a great player and I think that he'll make their already solid lineup even deeper.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
sorry but no, none of them have won as much as MKP has.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
On May 07 2012 20:01 Khai wrote: Dang, FXO losing their best player =S Fnatic did really well to pick up aLive and now Oz, Hwanni is really capable.
Leenock is both FXO's best player and also 17 while Oz is 23 and his career won't keep going forever, It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Someone on FXO's B team will step up to the plate to replace him in their GSTL lineup ( Probably Tear )
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
haha what?
Taeja hasn't won shit all where as MarineKing has won 2 MLG's, made another MLG final and got 4 kill in the GSTL finals. MMA has won two GSL's, Iron Squid, an IEM and an MLG.
They're both far better than Taeja.
How do people come up with these comical opinions?
On May 07 2012 20:01 Khai wrote: Dang, FXO losing their best player =S Fnatic did really well to pick up aLive and now Oz, Hwanni is really capable.
Leenock is both FXO's best player and also 17 while Oz is 23 and his career won't keep going forever, It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Someone on FXO's B team will step up to the plate to replace him in their GSTL lineup ( Probably Tear )
Oz is going to the army within the next year, addressing Oz's age and his career
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
haha what?
Taeja hasn't won shit all where as MarineKing has won 2 MLG's, made another MLG final and got 4 kill in the GSTL finals. MMA has won two GSL's, Iron Squid, an IEM and an MLG.
They're both far better than Taeja.
How do people come up with these comical opinions?
Well, because one is from liquid and the other two are not? Fanboyism does have a great role to play in all these rankings. That and buying a bit into hyping from Liquid and Artosis.
On May 07 2012 20:47 OrchidThief wrote: Taeja is solid, but nowhere near MKP, MMA or MVP. Alive is doing well now, but isn't as stable as the beforementioned players.
one could argue about MVP being top 3, a fan favorite but the only player out of those 4 that doesnt have a major achievement during 2012.
MKP prolly won the most out of the 4, then its pretty much tied between aLive the IPL4 champ and MMA the Iron Squid champ.
On May 07 2012 20:47 OrchidThief wrote: Taeja is solid, but nowhere near MKP, MMA or MVP. Alive is doing well now, but isn't as stable as the beforementioned players.
one could argue about MVP being top 3, a fan favorite but the only player out of those 4 that doesnt have a major achievement during 2012.
MKP prolly won the most out of the 4, then its pretty much tied between aLive the IPL4 champ and MMA the Iron Squid champ.
Highest ranked Terran player in GSL 2012 after 2 seasons, still lacking in achievements this year. Poor MVP
On May 07 2012 20:47 OrchidThief wrote: Taeja is solid, but nowhere near MKP, MMA or MVP. Alive is doing well now, but isn't as stable as the beforementioned players.
one could argue about MVP being top 3, a fan favorite but the only player out of those 4 that doesnt have a major achievement during 2012.
MKP prolly won the most out of the 4, then its pretty much tied between aLive the IPL4 champ and MMA the Iron Squid champ.
MVP without exploding wrists is the best player in the world. MVP with exploding wrists is the second best Terran in the world.
On May 07 2012 20:47 OrchidThief wrote: Taeja is solid, but nowhere near MKP, MMA or MVP. Alive is doing well now, but isn't as stable as the beforementioned players.
one could argue about MVP being top 3, a fan favorite but the only player out of those 4 that doesnt have a major achievement during 2012.
MKP prolly won the most out of the 4, then its pretty much tied between aLive the IPL4 champ and MMA the Iron Squid champ.
MVP without exploding wrists is the best player in the world. MVP with exploding wrists is the second best Terran in the world.
MVP just beat Naniwa, not that great of an acomplishment tbh
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I really like Boss and I've always wanted FXO to do well, but I did have to snigger a little bit at this from the guy who effectively bought an entire Korean roster at one point.
Appreciate your words. But preferences are not absolutes We bought out fOu because it was dying. Then the star player (sC) requested a transfer to MVP, so we got him that. The rest of the players were in a little bit of a hard time, including Oz. Now look at them go Then we have the players we obtained after the acquisition who are reaching maturity. Its going to be alot of fun soon, we are now looking for our next bunch of development players to grow which in 6-8 months time will hopefully show good results.
Wow that is so ture! I just remembered after I read this that fOu was not a top korean team...
Maybe not the top team, but they had the coolest jackets ever. omg need one
The Korean draft is killing esports! No but seriously I hate how players life Oz, ( I think Nada), and Ganzi have to go. It sucks knowing that you wont see those guys in a year.
MMA lost to Leenock in Ro32 whereas MVP beat him in Ro16... Also, I think Naniwa could probably beat MMA just because his vP is really weak. He only played 1 Protoss in iron squid and lost.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
sorry but no, none of them have won as much as MKP has.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
Really? MKP is widely regarded as the best player in the world, let alone the best terran. He has destroyed everything lately except for his loss to Taeja which knocked him out of the GSL running. It must be noted that MKP beat Taeja already in their group and was 1 game away from advancing before Parting all-in'd him. MKP was jet-lagged and ended up losing the second series he had to play against Taeja and got eliminated.
MKP destroys Protoss in a time when most Terrans consider Protoss to be a little imba. He has beat the best zerg in the world (DRG) over and over and over. Nobody has better control and nobody has more builds than him. When he is at the top of his game, nobody can stop him.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
Really? MKP is widely regarded as the best player in the world, let alone the best terran. He has destroyed everything lately except for his loss to Taeja which knocked him out of the GSL running. It must be noted that MKP beat Taeja already in their group and was 1 game away from advancing before Parting all-in'd him. MKP was jet-lagged and ended up losing the second series he had to play against Taeja and got eliminated.
MKP destroys Protoss in a time when most Terrans consider Protoss to be a little imba. He has beat the best zerg in the world (DRG) over and over and over. Nobody has better control and nobody has more builds than him. When he is at the top of his game, nobody can stop him.
MKP is 15-18 against DRG in 2012. I don't think you can say MKP beats DRG over and over when he doesn't even hold a winning record against him...
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
sorry but no, none of them have won as much as MKP has.
Uh..... Mvp?
nothing to take away from the Game Genie Terran, but he fall to Code A, was said to be in a slump until recently.
Beat Naniwa so far in Round 8, thats good but Iam pretty sure almost everybody except Supernova would most likely have beat the Swede in Round 8.
Lets first wait until Round of 4 and Finals, until we make conclusions how strong MVP really is atm.
Until that MKP, MMA and aLive are the Terrans in 2012 with the highest win rates.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
sorry but no, none of them have won as much as MKP has.
Uh..... Mvp?
nothing to take away from the Game Genie Terran, but he fall to Code A, was said to be in a slump until recently.
Beat Naniwa so far in Round 8, thats good but Iam pretty sure almost everybody except Supernova would most likely have beat the Swede in Round 8.
Lets first wait until Round of 4 and Finals, until we make conclusions how strong MVP really is atm.
Until that MKP, MMA and aLive are the Terrans in 2012 with the highest win rates.
I think the best TvT player has been MVP and still is. MVP and MMA, the two players' records against each other is 7 win / 11 lose, so it is right that MMA is the upper side but when it comes to the overall win rate, and all the progamers' record against each other MVP is indisputable the best TvT player in the world.
For example, nobody can insist that flash is not number 1 TvTer just because his record aginst upMagic is in the inferior position. (currently, upMagic is permanently banned from progaming)
In fact, there are two players who has better records against Mvp : Gumiho (3 win 4 lose) / MMA (7 win 11 lose) but there are plenty of progamers who has superior records against MMA : Rain / theStc / MKP (12 win 5 lose) / Bomber / aLive / Polt and even, SuperNoVa and Keen has same records agasint MMA.
However, Mvp hold a dominant position all the players mentioned beforehand
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
haha what?
Taeja hasn't won shit all where as MarineKing has won 2 MLG's, made another MLG final and got 4 kill in the GSTL finals. MMA has won two GSL's, Iron Squid, an IEM and an MLG.
They're both far better than Taeja.
How do people come up with these comical opinions?
i mean i think they're all really close... so many good, SOLID terran players out there right now but I would have to agree MKP and MMA looking SO strong lately...not just in their tournament performance but just every game the mechanics and strategy performed by both is unbelievable... Alive has shown some really good play too but I think MKP still has him beat (at least based on the last month or two, you never know what's going to happen in the future)... taeja and gumiho also looking very promising but they have yet to strike me the same way the other 4 have
nooooooo i liked oz for FXO but Fnatic seems to be getting a lot of good players lately so good for them...
plus i was super disappointed when Choya chose himself over Oz in the team league last season and lost... i wonder if that had something to do with the switch?
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
sorry but no, none of them have won as much as MKP has.
Uh..... Mvp?
nothing to take away from the Game Genie Terran, but he fall to Code A, was said to be in a slump until recently.
Beat Naniwa so far in Round 8, thats good but Iam pretty sure almost everybody except Supernova would most likely have beat the Swede in Round 8.
Lets first wait until Round of 4 and Finals, until we make conclusions how strong MVP really is atm.
Until that MKP, MMA and aLive are the Terrans in 2012 with the highest win rates.
He said no terran has ever won as much as MKP, pretty sure Mvp is like miles and miles and miles ahead of Nr.2 in terms of winnings.
Why are people arguing about best Terrans in a thread about the transfer of a Protoss player from one team to another? My mind is boggled. Next thing you know, we will be arguing about best foreign Zerg again.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
sorry but no, none of them have won as much as MKP has.
Uh..... Mvp?
nothing to take away from the Game Genie Terran, but he fall to Code A, was said to be in a slump until recently.
Beat Naniwa so far in Round 8, thats good but Iam pretty sure almost everybody except Supernova would most likely have beat the Swede in Round 8.
Lets first wait until Round of 4 and Finals, until we make conclusions how strong MVP really is atm.
Until that MKP, MMA and aLive are the Terrans in 2012 with the highest win rates.
He said no terran has ever won as much as MKP, pretty sure Mvp is like miles and miles and miles ahead of Nr.2 in terms of winnings.
well we re not taking 2011 achievements into the discussion.
On May 07 2012 07:42 Neurosis wrote: fnatic is turning into a godmode team. Alive is arguably the best terran in the world atm (along with Taeja ♥) and now they have a top 3 protoss player.
MKP? I'd put aLive on a list with MKP, MMA and MVP rigtnow though.
Yes yes I realize most people would say MKP is the best terran player but imo it goes like this.
1. Alive 2. Very very close 2nd and easily could be considered the best, Taeja. 3. MMA 4. MKP 5. MVP 6. Gumiho
At any time you could easily swap some of them around but I really do think alive, taeja and mma are a step above everyone else. (at least for now)
sorry but no, none of them have won as much as MKP has.
Uh..... Mvp?
nothing to take away from the Game Genie Terran, but he fall to Code A, was said to be in a slump until recently.
Beat Naniwa so far in Round 8, thats good but Iam pretty sure almost everybody except Supernova would most likely have beat the Swede in Round 8.
Lets first wait until Round of 4 and Finals, until we make conclusions how strong MVP really is atm.
Until that MKP, MMA and aLive are the Terrans in 2012 with the highest win rates.
He said no terran has ever won as much as MKP, pretty sure Mvp is like miles and miles and miles ahead of Nr.2 in terms of winnings.
well we re not taking 2011 achievements into the discussion.
I don't understand why you are trying to rank any Terran abvove Mvp. No one is close to his tournament record (maybe MKP, but noone else) and he is in RO4 despite severe wrist problems. You're like those people who say PartinG and NaNiwa are better than MC just because they have been doing better last 1-2 tourmanemts, while in fact MC has won the most prize money out of all SC2 players and consistently do well in big tournaments.
I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
agree, MKP in his best form can not even reach GSL ro8 this season
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
agree, MKP in his best form can not even reach GSL ro8 this season
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
i agree GSL is "the ultimate test" but people forget how much luck (build-order losses), stress/lack of sleep (flying in from another tournament one week), and match-ups (playing in a round of 32/16 that has 4 incredible players) can affect how people perform...
i think MKP has been really unlucky during a lot of his GSL performances lately (remember last season he lost to genius in the round of 16 in a nail-biting 3rd set, 3rd game-AND after beating genius 2-0 in the first set? it was the last set that was played-and genius went on to play in the finals... two sets EARLIER he lost to DRG, the GSL CHAMPION, in the winner's match). I think we can give MKP a break for not making it to ro8...
Speaking of MVP, what has he been up to lately? every game i've seen him play the last two months has been really disappointing. I hope it's just a slump but as of right now i would def. argue MKP over MVP
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
i agree GSL is "the ultimate test" but people forget how much luck (build-order losses), stress/lack of sleep (flying in from another tournament one week), and match-ups (playing in a round of 32/16 that has 4 incredible players) can affect how people perform...
i think MKP has been really unlucky during a lot of his GSL performances lately (remember last season he lost to genius in the round of 16 in a nail-biting 3rd set, 3rd game-AND after beating genius 2-0 in the first set? it was the last set that was played-and genius went on to play in the finals... two sets EARLIER he lost to DRG, the GSL CHAMPION, in the winner's match). I think we can give MKP a break for not making it to ro8...
Speaking of MVP, what has he been up to lately? every game i've seen him play the last two months has been really disappointing. I hope it's just a slump but as of right now i would def. argue MKP over MVP
Being the only non Protoss player in Code S semifinals.
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
i agree GSL is "the ultimate test" but people forget how much luck (build-order losses), stress/lack of sleep (flying in from another tournament one week), and match-ups (playing in a round of 32/16 that has 4 incredible players) can affect how people perform...
i think MKP has been really unlucky during a lot of his GSL performances lately (remember last season he lost to genius in the round of 16 in a nail-biting 3rd set, 3rd game-AND after beating genius 2-0 in the first set? it was the last set that was played-and genius went on to play in the finals... two sets EARLIER he lost to DRG, the GSL CHAMPION, in the winner's match). I think we can give MKP a break for not making it to ro8...
Speaking of MVP, what has he been up to lately? every game i've seen him play the last two months has been really disappointing. I hope it's just a slump but as of right now i would def. argue MKP over MVP
Being the only non Protoss player in Code S semifinals.
-.- haven't seen any GSL for the last two weeks (finals) but thanks for the spoiler
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
i agree GSL is "the ultimate test" but people forget how much luck (build-order losses), stress/lack of sleep (flying in from another tournament one week), and match-ups (playing in a round of 32/16 that has 4 incredible players) can affect how people perform...
i think MKP has been really unlucky during a lot of his GSL performances lately (remember last season he lost to genius in the round of 16 in a nail-biting 3rd set, 3rd game-AND after beating genius 2-0 in the first set? it was the last set that was played-and genius went on to play in the finals... two sets EARLIER he lost to DRG, the GSL CHAMPION, in the winner's match). I think we can give MKP a break for not making it to ro8...
Speaking of MVP, what has he been up to lately? every game i've seen him play the last two months has been really disappointing. I hope it's just a slump but as of right now i would def. argue MKP over MVP
Being the only non Protoss player in Code S semifinals.
-.- haven't seen any GSL for the last two weeks (finals) but thanks for the spoiler
You're really going to complain about spoilers when you openly asked what he's been up to? Okay. Sorry for answering your question.
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
i agree GSL is "the ultimate test" but people forget how much luck (build-order losses), stress/lack of sleep (flying in from another tournament one week), and match-ups (playing in a round of 32/16 that has 4 incredible players) can affect how people perform...
i think MKP has been really unlucky during a lot of his GSL performances lately (remember last season he lost to genius in the round of 16 in a nail-biting 3rd set, 3rd game-AND after beating genius 2-0 in the first set? it was the last set that was played-and genius went on to play in the finals... two sets EARLIER he lost to DRG, the GSL CHAMPION, in the winner's match). I think we can give MKP a break for not making it to ro8...
Speaking of MVP, what has he been up to lately? every game i've seen him play the last two months has been really disappointing. I hope it's just a slump but as of right now i would def. argue MKP over MVP
Being the only non Protoss player in Code S semifinals.
-.- haven't seen any GSL for the last two weeks (finals) but thanks for the spoiler
You're really going to complain about spoilers when you openly asked what he's been up to? Okay. Sorry for answering your question.
lol no you're right... i just rememeber ro16 while he won, his games were anything but impressive-to me at least, so i guess i thought he would be out the next round anyways
On May 08 2012 10:17 Sroobz wrote: I don't understand why people still place MKP over Mvp...
People claim MKP is godlike in 2012 but he hasn't even made round of 8 of a GSL yet. GSL is the ultimate test for SC2 players. So...MKP is not the Terran god of 2012.
Why are we discussing this again?
i agree GSL is "the ultimate test" but people forget how much luck (build-order losses), stress/lack of sleep (flying in from another tournament one week), and match-ups (playing in a round of 32/16 that has 4 incredible players) can affect how people perform...
i think MKP has been really unlucky during a lot of his GSL performances lately (remember last season he lost to genius in the round of 16 in a nail-biting 3rd set, 3rd game-AND after beating genius 2-0 in the first set? it was the last set that was played-and genius went on to play in the finals... two sets EARLIER he lost to DRG, the GSL CHAMPION, in the winner's match). I think we can give MKP a break for not making it to ro8...
Speaking of MVP, what has he been up to lately? every game i've seen him play the last two months has been really disappointing. I hope it's just a slump but as of right now i would def. argue MKP over MVP
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