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On July 13 2012 13:24 Lefiathen wrote:
They will release beta in agost because in a interview Chris Sigaty said that they were going to release the beta in "about 2 months" and he said that in june...
Was that in real time or blizzard time?
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When talking about Blizzard, is there any other time than Blizzard time? It will come when it's ready.
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On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now.
Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth.
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On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth.
Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions.
Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well.
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On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well.
Zerg is going to be imba as fuck imo.
How does a terran deal with ling bane ultra viper? You cast the cloud and abduct some tanks and lol all over them.
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On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well.
The thing is that during these times of one or the other race dominating or a player dominating. It seems like game design get more credit than a display of sick skill or really innovative thinking. I mean there's nothing for zerg like mutalisk micro. There's less uncertainty and amazing comebacks because composition and macro overcome all.
My problem is that It would be really hard to do a year to year pimpest plays list for SC2.
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On July 13 2012 17:54 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well. Zerg is going to be imba as fuck imo. How does a terran deal with ling bane ultra viper? You cast the cloud and abduct some tanks and lol all over them.
Don't use tanks? :D
Use lots of Marauders and you still win
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On July 13 2012 18:41 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:54 Za7oX wrote:On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well. Zerg is going to be imba as fuck imo. How does a terran deal with ling bane ultra viper? You cast the cloud and abduct some tanks and lol all over them. Don't use tanks? :D Use lots of Marauders and you still win
Mass widow mine :D
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On July 13 2012 17:54 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well. Zerg is going to be imba as fuck imo. How does a terran deal with ling bane ultra viper? You cast the cloud and abduct some tanks and lol all over them.
...I don't know if you're serious or not but you use ghosts.
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On July 13 2012 18:44 Vaporak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:54 Za7oX wrote:On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well. Zerg is going to be imba as fuck imo. How does a terran deal with ling bane ultra viper? You cast the cloud and abduct some tanks and lol all over them. ...I don't know if you're serious or not but you use ghosts.
Not sure if troll....
Ghosts won't be usable since Abduct is much longer range than EMP/Snipe.
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I propose a perma ban for the OP. At least a really large temp. HUGE news spammed everywhere, so many evidence found everywhere that means absolute nothing yet this topic was updated and got people hopes up just based on conjecture.
Last time people were banned when they announced beta dates that were false or based on failed conjectures. People were quiet, got their hopes up and weeks after the first and second "OMG its going to be here dates!!!11!!" nothing. . .
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On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth.
Im confused, how can you say its the same thing over and over again? Look at PvP how it has evolved the last few months for example. The only thing that has been stale for a long time was ZvT and that was before the queen patch.
Just last week nerchio did something nobody has done before, he pushed the DTs away from his hatchery using drones.
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On July 09 2012 20:17 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 19:54 leveller wrote:
Isn't this a little extreme now? In the past, didn't expansions sometimes come within the same year, or at most the next year? Wasn't starcraft 2 released in 2010? Will they really wait until 2013 to relase, seems silly, especially with on more expansion coming up... It seems like they should have tried harder to get the orginial momentum and interest in sc2 to grow and not let it peter out... D3 happened, plus they have to keep developing WoW expansions. Bobby Kotick will not let them hire appropriate numbers so they shuffle people back and forth between different games. They still have "creative control" but not financial control. If you doubt this, it's been TWO YEARS and still no paid name change in SC2.
Different games are developed by different teams, there isn't too much overlapping.
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On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth.
I think this is a stupid perspective to have. First of all, there has been plenty of innovation in the game. If you look at the game a few months back from now the meta game was completely different than it is now so things are clearly still evolving and I don't understand how you could think it was stale in the first place.
Secondly even when the innovation finally slows down or nearly stops (once HotS and LotV have been release for a while) what's wrong with that? At that point there's no gimmicky "I can get a free win because no one knows about this little niche thing I found" which in my eyes is a good thing. Then it's up to the pros at the highest level to prove who has the best execution around and who can get in the other guy's head more.
We always see comparisons of SC2 to professional sports as spectator sports and when was the last major innovation in Basketball or Football? The games have been majorly unchanged for many years yet they have huge fan bases, why? Because people love the game and they love the teams and players. We watch for the love of the game and to root on the people we support (at least I do). If I never saw something "new" in SC2 for the rest of the game's life I would be OK with that because the pros would still continue to elevate their level of execution and perfection.
Just like I can't compete with or compare to college or pro level basketball players I still love watching the game to root for my teams/players and be amazed by their talents and skills, despite the fact that the game is still pretty much the same as it was 10 or 20 years ago. SC2 is the same in my eyes as a spectator sport and to think that SC2 will never stagnate at some point in terms of innovation in the game seems silly and short sighted.
Wow this got a lot longer than I was intending pretty quickly. Hopefully it makes sense. :D
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On July 13 2012 19:18 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 20:17 yeint wrote:On July 09 2012 19:54 leveller wrote:
Isn't this a little extreme now? In the past, didn't expansions sometimes come within the same year, or at most the next year? Wasn't starcraft 2 released in 2010? Will they really wait until 2013 to relase, seems silly, especially with on more expansion coming up... It seems like they should have tried harder to get the orginial momentum and interest in sc2 to grow and not let it peter out... D3 happened, plus they have to keep developing WoW expansions. Bobby Kotick will not let them hire appropriate numbers so they shuffle people back and forth between different games. They still have "creative control" but not financial control. If you doubt this, it's been TWO YEARS and still no paid name change in SC2. Different games are developed by different teams, there isn't too much overlapping.
Now that's indeed the case but about 5 years ago that was absolutely not the case as for example a lot of the team that was working on SC2 had to move to the WoW team to assist them because they coudln't handle it on their own .
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I don't get it. there's NEWS spammed everywhere in the op, and I forget what's wrong news, what's speculation and what's actually...new. Can someone give me help? Also what evidence is actually there that hots will be out relatively soon? Seems like the best estimate people had was by the end of june, but here we are in mid july without so much as a word from blizzard about a REAL release date
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On July 13 2012 18:53 Antares_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 18:44 Vaporak wrote:On July 13 2012 17:54 Za7oX wrote:On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well. Zerg is going to be imba as fuck imo. How does a terran deal with ling bane ultra viper? You cast the cloud and abduct some tanks and lol all over them. ...I don't know if you're serious or not but you use ghosts. Not sure if troll.... Ghosts won't be usable since Abduct is much longer range than EMP/Snipe.
With that logic, Fungal and Storm shouldn't be used because EMP has a longer range.
In fact, units wont be used in HoTS because tempests have 22 range.
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I'm so ready for the beta to come out....AHHH
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On July 13 2012 18:01 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with. BW is an example of this I mean there would be long periods of time of a certain race dominating then some player after a long time figures out something new. It's only been 2 years and most things have probably been found out but I would not be surprised if there were still strategies out there that could be figured out given a couple more years without expansions. Honestly though I just want hots because I am looking forward to being able to stop deathballs as zerg with abduct and swarm hosts have the potential to be super kickass as well. The thing is that during these times of one or the other race dominating or a player dominating. It seems like game design get more credit than a display of sick skill or really innovative thinking. I mean there's nothing for zerg like mutalisk micro. There's less uncertainty and amazing comebacks because composition and macro overcome all. My problem is that It would be really hard to do a year to year pimpest plays list for SC2.
It's not that hard to make a pimpest plays for sc2. One has already been made, and it was pretty epic... Never ending wall of Hong-Un ftw. If we had to make one for this past year, I would put
1) Nerchio saving his hatch against DTs without detection on Ohana
2) MC holding the 4-gate with a 2-gate robo (don't remember the map)
3) Naniwa's forcefields with sentry/stalker on shakuras to push out all of the lings at MLG. That was amazing
4) I don't remember who did the hallucinated immortal count then went void ray all-in
etc.
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On July 13 2012 17:42 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 17:39 Animzor wrote:On July 13 2012 14:07 _Search_ wrote:On July 13 2012 13:22 Wildmoon wrote:On July 13 2012 13:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 13 2012 12:14 Phanekim wrote:
there is no need for hots beta to come out yet. wol isn't close to even being dead. its still going reasonably strong. Nah, WOL is getting pretty stale. Even without HotS WoL's metagame will continue to evolve for quite sometime. Only because of the patches. Were this the game that was released and blizzard didn't patch I think it'd be pretty stale by now. Yes, having watched SC2 matches for 2 years now, I am really getting tired of it. It's the same thing over and over again. I keep watching hoping once in a blue moon there is an epic game where something different happens, but because of stupid things like the deathball mechanic and terrible terrible damage, the game will never ever have depth. Eh you have to realize new things take awhile to come up with.
Not possible, the foundation isn't there. You can't build on a crumbly foundation.
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